joelmarable said:

It's not the sound of his '80's work that we crave. It's the QUALITY! That's what's missing from his current work. His current work is sub par, mediocre and frankly totally beneath him. Fans being everything but honest enough to say that, is what's stunting his growth!

theFUNKiest said:

Your a U2 fan right or Bruce...right....

I think Prince has a laugh at these clowns,

Dayclear said:

Yeah, it's not like he writes songs about them, right? Well, except "No More Candy 4 U". And "PFunk".

murph said:

I wonder what the dog is thinking about?

why compare why? u dont wear the same style clothes as u did in the 80's.

and at least 22 of them are great...

how long will the negativity versus the I am not a sheep you are a fam argument persist?

ThreadBare said:

MajesticOne89 said:

Oh, no you didn't...

I love this whole diversity.

We’ve got long time org participators.

We’ve the begrudging housequakers whose house finally got busted.

We’ve got the homeless NPGMC fams who have nowhere to idolise or bitch because their master took away their keys to the official playground.

We’ve got orgers with 5000 posts who list themselves as moderate fans.

We’ve got people with 10,000 posts who don’t own a copy all of Prince’s albums.

We’ve got members who spend almost their entire org life in Michael Jackson threads or the general discussion forum.

We’ve got people new or casual fans who think that Lotusflow3r is original or progressive.

We’ve got old skoolers who are blind to anything but the work of the 80’s.

We’ve got some permanent trollers and stirrers with nothing better in their lives.

We’ve got racists, sexists, deranged and geniuses.

And it’s great that we have this mix.

The org isn’t full of hate or love for Prince. It’s full of people with opinions on the Artist that brought them to the org in the first place. One mans SOTT is another mans New Power Soul.

So for me, the worst element of the org is the people who feel compelled to moan about other members expressing opinions. Every few days we get a fam pop up with a "why all the hate?" type rant. Its not hate, its just opinion that differs from their own, and they can’t stand that.

There is no doubt that this type of spiteful posting hugely increased shortly after the closure of the NPGMC forum. There is obviously an element that does not want a bad word said about Prince and feel like the need to protect without question.

In the process of spreading their spiteful comments about others expressing their opinion, they then have the cheek to label the people who speak freely as "haters".

There is also a growing element of fams who can’t comprehend that it’s ok to be on this site and not enjoy the current music.

The fact of the matter is, someone might only like 3 albums in the 80’s, but they have every right to participate in the forum and express their love for that music, and their displeasure of everything else.

This thread is a prime example of yet another "oppressing opinion" thread, doing nothing more than generalising, ranting and telling people, if you only like the older stuff, then you are not welcome.

Sad really.

I love this whole diversity.

We’ve got long time org participators.

We’ve the begrudging housequakers whose house finally got busted.

We’ve got the homeless NPGMC fams who have nowhere to idolise or bitch because their master took away their keys to the official playground.

We’ve got orgers with 5000 posts who list themselves as moderate fans.

We’ve got people with 10,000 posts who don’t own a copy all of Prince’s albums.

We’ve got members who spend almost their entire org life in Michael Jackson threads or the general discussion forum.

We’ve got people new or casual fans who think that Lotusflow3r is original or progressive.

We’ve got old skoolers who are blind to anything but the work of the 80’s.

We’ve got some permanent trollers and stirrers with nothing better in their lives.

We’ve got racists, sexists, deranged and geniuses.

And it’s great that we have this mix.

The org isn’t full of hate or love for Prince. It’s full of people with opinions on the Artist that brought them to the org in the first place. One mans SOTT is another mans New Power Soul.

So for me, the worst element of the org is the people who feel compelled to moan about other members expressing opinions. Every few days we get a fam pop up with a "why all the hate?" type rant. Its not hate, its just opinion that differs from their own, and they can’t stand that.

There is no doubt that this type of spiteful posting hugely increased shortly after the closure of the NPGMC forum. There is obviously an element that does not want a bad word said about Prince and feel like the need to protect without question.

In the process of spreading their spiteful comments about others expressing their opinion, they then have the cheek to label the people who speak freely as "haters".

There is also a growing element of fams who can’t comprehend that it’s ok to be on this site and not enjoy the current music.

The fact of the matter is, someone might only like 3 albums in the 80’s, but they have every right to participate in the forum and express their love for that music, and their displeasure of everything else.

This thread is a prime example of yet another "oppressing opinion" thread, doing nothing more than generalising, ranting and telling people, if you only like the older stuff, then you are not welcome.

Sad really.

I disagree. There IS a lot of hate here and a lot of hate towards Prince. Your opinion is that it's not hate but in my opinion it is. It's not really just not liking any of his current music, but just continous negative remarks. You are right though, in that it's a free forum and people are free to hate if they so choose.

In terms of the word hater, As long as you have people throwing out the fam/sheep/purple koolaid remarks there will be hater/naysayer/battered prince fan remarks and this back forth will continue i'm sure.

Having your own opinion does not sit well with Prince ex-fans (haterz) here. If you so much as say you love Prince they call derogatory names. Anyway I love Prince's music, I don't agree his music has declined at all. I don't compare him to anyone else and I don't expect anything off him. I treat him as the great musician he is. I just like whatever he puts out.

If people don't like my opinion, I don't give a funk

SquirrelMeat said:

So for me, the worst element of the org is the people who feel compelled to moan about other members expressing opinions. Every few days we get a fam pop up with a "why all the hate?" type rant. Its not hate, its just opinion that differs from their own, and they can’t stand that.

There is no doubt that this type of spiteful posting hugely increased shortly after the closure of the NPGMC forum. There is obviously an element that does not want a bad word said about Prince and feel like the need to protect without question.

In the process of spreading their spiteful comments about others expressing their opinion, they then have the cheek to label the people who speak freely as "haters".

There is also a growing element of fams who can’t comprehend that it’s ok to be on this site and not enjoy the current music.

The fact of the matter is, someone might only like 3 albums in the 80’s, but they have every right to participate in the forum and express their love for that music, and their displeasure of everything else.

This thread is a prime example of yet another "oppressing opinion" thread, doing nothing more than generalising, ranting and telling people, if you only like the older stuff, then you are not welcome.

Sad really.

SquirrelMeat said:

I agreed with everything you said till you got to the part I quoted.

Let me first state a 'fact of life'. Negativity begots negativity. Expecting positive responses to negativity will not get anyone too far in this life. This includes opinions. The only question is... what constitutes a negative opinion...?

Opinions, in of themselves, are a good thing. They provide diversity and reason to engage in conversation in the first place. Many people here, have the ability to express their opinions while respecting the opinions of others regardless of their opinions..

Stating you do not like something, giving reasons why and questioning others in regards to their opinions is not necessarily being negative or dishing out 'negative opinions' in itself. As it relates to this subject, even if you 'hate' all of the music since 95, your opinions can still in fact can be quite valid, constructive and positive. What makes them 'positive', in the midst of the hatred of the music, is: are they adding to the subject and offering a healthy balance in contrast to the opinions of others; is there a clear understanding that they are indeed opinions and not trying to be passed off as fact; and mostly, are they given with respect to others and their opinions as well. Expecting respect when not giving it seams to be a huge problem on these boards? This can go both ways... but the typical pattern is usually the same.

People who constructively offer up their opinions in the manner I stated... even if they 'hate' everything... are cool... and are the type of fans your statements are in support and/or defense of (I believe). I would defend their opinions just as I would my own if they respect mine as I would theirs...and we can agree to disagree. BUT they have the unfortunate problem of being grouped together with other types of fans you don't discuss because they share some of the same views... but they go about expressing them very differently.

Two main types:

Some of these fans don't just dislike the music or actions of Prince... they relentlessly attack. Thread after thread... post after post. Whether they are trying to force others to share their opinions or just have issues and a need to vent. They go on and on about what they 'hate'. To most sane people, this is not healthy behavior... it is very obsessive. These are the people many question why are they here.

The others state 'facts' about how this music is inferior to that music. The only support they have for these facts, is the fact that they have a superior understanding to music which is a fact not shared by others... and they are often quite adamant about this fact. It is a fact, if questioned or challenged... they dig in even deeper and spew even more of their self supporting facts. They simply do not understand the difference between fact and opinion and believe their opinions are indeed fact.

And more so, they tend to attack those who do like the music or support things Prince do. Calling people 'fams', 'fammy fam', 'kool-aid drinker', 'sheep' etc. (If they didn't please explain why these terms exist negative terms exist) They dish out these insults with out conscious or remorse. Music is a very personal thing. They seam to understand that part, because they usually state how much music is a part of their lives while dishing out their facts... but because they do not respect others to begin with... they trivialize this same. importance to other people.

These people are rude, they are insulting, they are condescending, they are self centered and they seldom ever show respect to anyone who disagree with them... yet they have nerve to demand respect They are fewest in number... yet they speak the most. Because they speak most... they overshadow those who they may share a dislike for the music or actions... but express their opinons in a healthy constructive way which warrants respect.

The funniest of these are those who often claim that they are done Prince and are only here to participate in other forums.... yet they always seam to be in Prince: Music and More stating that...?
[Edited 4/19/09 10:56am]

Calling people 'fams', 'fammy fam', 'kool-aid drinker', 'sheep' etc. (If they didn't please explain why these terms exist negative terms exist) They dish out these insults with out conscious or remorse.

BigDaddyHQ said:

Kool-aid drinker and sheep, I'll give you are insulting which is why I do try not to use those terms when making my points but Fam(s) was a term of "endearment" coined by none other than Prince himself. So if you've got a problem being called a "fammy fam" for the record, that's not exactly the fault of "the haters".

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Prince used the term 'fam' as a term of endearment towards his fans.

There is nothing endearing about the way 'haterz' use the term or any derivative of it.

The OP seems to have abandoned the thread which, incidentally began with his own negativity laced rant, but anyhoo...

The only thing I can tell ya Kem is first, to remember that this is not Prince's own fansite...it's Ben's fansite. Therefore, it's ultimately his perogative to decide what content is acceptable, end of story.

Now if you find harsh criticism of Prince so disturbing that you feel compelled to comment on it, I would encourage you to get some perspective. Of the thousands of fans Prince has worldwide, a small percentage of them belong to fansites. Of those fansite members, only a small percentage are regular posters on the forums and of those, perhaps a dozen or so, are serial posters of extremely negative comments...ya see where I'm going with this? You could estimate that you're probably steaming from your ears about less than one percent of Prince's fanbase and I would tell Prince himself the same thing.

I'll say the same thing that I've said about a thousand times here already. Everybody knows the difference between someone engaging in discussions of differing opinions and a serial poster who's trolling for attention. The only effective method of dealing with the problem is to STOP RESPONDING TO THEM! For the life of me I can't understand why people don't get that. I know it's hard to do but besides reporting them over and over, it really is the only thing that works, trust me.

So chillax and have a coke and a smile already...

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Prince used the term 'fam' as a term of endearment towards his fans.

There is nothing endearing about the way 'haterz' use the term or any derivative of it.

luv4u said:

Once again girl on girl action and it's totally lost on me.