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funkteer said: Yes. Let me be more like you and find some really insulting things to write to make myself feel better.
go for it  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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funkteer said: Yes. Let me be more like you and find some really insulting things to write to make myself feel better.
It's okay... U just agreed with a point I made earlier. Spending some free time on the Internet is not the same as whining about someone else's dietary habits...  "Love Hurts. Your lies, they cut me. Now your words don't mean a thing. I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..." -Cher, "Woman's World" | |
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stanleylieber said: my observation is that somewhere along the way music stopped being the single most important element of his life. i speculate that it started with his decision to marry mayte and his claim that she had put him in 'studio rehab' (which seemed to be a signal that he was spending time doing other things besides recording for the first time in his adult life), and progressed through his jw conversion into what we have now. he still cranks out tunes but music is no longer the center of his existence as it once was. billy corgan recently wrote a livejournal post that talked about how, back in the original smashing pumpkins days (roughly '89-'95), they rehearsed upwards of 30 hours a week, even when they weren't touring or recording. he talked about how that level of familiarity with the music led to he process of carefully refining the writing and recording process, and how, in the years since, with much less practicing going on, he felt that he had at times lost his way in terms of having such a strong connection with his own music. prince can eat hamburgers or weeds; i don't care. i would however enjoy more of the same kind of results we used to get from his 24/7 music immersion lifestyle. maybe that's not how he wants to live his life anymore, but it does raise the question of why he keeps releasing albums and attaching more and more cruft to his legacy. before long he will have released more 'casual' albums than those created during the period of his intense musical focus. I agree with alot of what you've said here: It is quite apparent that Prince doesn't live and breathe music the way he used to and that change has impacted his his output. I think there's more to it than that though. I subscribe to the theory that Prince simply ran out of gas, used up his inital burst of inspiriation, at some point in the mid-90s, and that making music isn't as effortless for him as it once was. I recall reading an interview with Prince years ago where he said something to along the lines of costantly needing to record what was in his head before the next idea came along. I think those days are long gone. Given his musicianship and mastery of the studio, it seem's he's still capable of writing a new song whenever he likes, but the days of music pouring out him are gone. It's now more about craftmanship than anything else. I think that's why so much of his music doesn't have the same kind of emotional weight that it once had: It doesn't mean anything to its creator, either. Here's where I disagree with you: While it's obvious that Prince will never reach the dizzying heights of Golden Age again, I'm not sure that there's anything wrong with him continuing to put new music out. Observation of other pop music legends will show that they all lose grip on their genius eventually. I don't think they risk ruining their legacy by continuing to put out music. Sign O' The Times will always be absolutely brilliant, no matter how many Planet Earths Prince releases. While music may not be life for Prince anymore, its obviously still important to him, and always will be. What else is he going to do? I'm afraid this next paragraph will come across as rationalization, but it's not meant to be: personally, I long ago came to accept the difference in Prince's music now vs then, and I'm able to enjoy his work today because of that. That doesn't mean I delude myself in to thinking that Lotus Flower is as good as his worst album form the 80s, but I am geniuinely able to enjoy the music. I'm a vorcious fan of music, and there's no way that Lotus Flower or Mplsound will be on my top 10 at the end of the year, but that's OK. Prince has and will continue to give me hours of listening pleasure and I'm glad that's still new stuff to listen to, even it doesn't match the old. | |
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I think that this is just Prince being Prince. Creative, controversial, and if he can make his own stimulus package then he is at the height of capitalism. I can't afford it. I'm not upset. I've never looked for an entertainer, even as one as talented as Prince, for personal guidance. It's HIS life. He has earned his lifestyle. If people want the item for that price then fine. I've only been able to afford his cd pkg. I was disappointed at not being included as one of the Lotusflow3r internet surfers at first but it's no ones prob but mine. In the long run I enjoy his music. I love his independence. He is still gorgeous. He has always done what he wants, when he wants, with whom he wants. He seems to be doing just fine. Good night sweet Prince. No matter what U say or do
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*scheming on how I can get this opus thingy*   &  | |
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stanleylieber said: Dsoul said: Don't think anyone would argue against the fact that he once was. In my opinion he replaced that ethical ideology with being a hardcore jehovahs witness. I even recall a quote by him on eating "The bible diet" which at the very least is probably high in fish flesh you'd think. Lets face it the religious texts are pretty clear in spelling out humans as masters and the rest of "creation" as theirs for using, eating and whatever else. read above. it has been argued in this thread that prince never even said he was vegetarian. then someone posted an interview where he claimed to be completely vegan. of course, the poster who claimed prince never said he was vegetarian did not amend their previous statement or acknowledge that those of us who remember prince's own words are not insane, as had been insinuated. prince has cited his new world translation as promoting veganism, so i'm not sure we can draw solid conclusions here based on basic logic. 
it's not that i am trying to constantly judge prince for his perceived misdeeds. i'm just saying that, as a fan, over the years, we've been asked to humor a number of his philosophical pronouncements, and now he's apparently dropped some of them (or is acting in contradiction of them, which i think is more likely), and we're not supposed to comment on it? strange fucking fan site, wouldn't you say? if prince's philosophy is out of bounds then we'd probably better serve him by ceasing to discuss the vast majority of the things we discuss here. let's talk about his hairdo. Are you referring to my comments? I never said that Prince was never a vegetarian or a vegan. Clearly, he was. I said he was neither of those things anymore. I asked those who insist he still is to post any recent article in which Prince, himself, made a statement corroborating their position. No one could. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Genesia said: stanleylieber said: read above. it has been argued in this thread that prince never even said he was vegetarian. then someone posted an interview where he claimed to be completely vegan. of course, the poster who claimed prince never said he was vegetarian did not amend their previous statement or acknowledge that those of us who remember prince's own words are not insane, as had been insinuated. prince has cited his new world translation as promoting veganism, so i'm not sure we can draw solid conclusions here based on basic logic.
it's not that i am trying to constantly judge prince for his perceived misdeeds. i'm just saying that, as a fan, over the years, we've been asked to humor a number of his philosophical pronouncements, and now he's apparently dropped some of them (or is acting in contradiction of them, which i think is more likely), and we're not supposed to comment on it? strange fucking fan site, wouldn't you say? if prince's philosophy is out of bounds then we'd probably better serve him by ceasing to discuss the vast majority of the things we discuss here. let's talk about his hairdo. Are you referring to my comments? I never said that Prince was never a vegetarian or a vegan. Clearly, he was. I said he was neither of those things anymore. I asked those who insist he still is to post any recent article in which Prince, himself, made a statement corroborating their position. No one could. i guess i misunderstood you. i thought the challenge was twofold: 1.) show where prince has ever, with his own mouth, explicitly claimed to be a vegetarian. you seemed to be insisting that it was all just innuendo and that fans had simply made assumptions. 2.) show anything recent where he even hinted at these things. i agree i haven't seen him talking about it either way in recent times. sorry for the confusion. [Edited 4/13/09 20:42pm] it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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...the #1 edition of the book will be the highest treasure 2 get...
..mzsexybaby<---don't wanna get grimy..but will  ..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind | |
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I read all about this Opus yesterday and it's really made me sad  . I have been a Prince fan for over 20 years. I've bought records, imports, then CD's, books, videos, concert tickets, DVD's even frigging tamborines and incense sticks from NPG store. More recently £50 for Prince in Hawaii, 21 nights (£15), £55 for the website and another £13 for Lotusflow3r album. I feel everything is about getting as much money out of us as he can. A prize draw for all us suckers who joined the web-site would have gone down better rather than an auction - does anyone know if the money is going to charity? None of us 'normal' people who have followed him all these years would be able to compete with rich folk who can spend 100's of thousands of pounds bidding for the chance of a private party. I prefer to pay my mortgage and EAT. I am really disappointed with all this, I love him and I always will, but I am calling it quits on spending any more money. | |
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..all i know is u need some SERIOUS $$ 4 d auction...could it go up 2 100k??..
...mzsexybaby'how many licks DOES it take..2 get 2 the center of the tootsie-roll  ..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind | |
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mzkqueen03 said: ..all i know is u need some SERIOUS $$ 4 d auction...could it go up 2 100k??..
...mzsexybaby'how many licks DOES it take..2 get 2 the center of the tootsie-roll Oh, hun, a single decent 1 carat purple diamond itself is worth more than 100K alone! There are 7.77 carats of purple diamonds! Wake up!......Wake up! | |
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harveya said: I don't believe i said it was the most collectible/rarest piece of crap available... I just pointed out you were wrong in stating that 950 isn't limited... And your follow up example states a limited number of 2500... nearly 3 x 950, methinks
 Yes, but how many of those will be back on the market? IMHO most of those have gone to FANS who saw an opportunity to get something exclusive for an affordable price. And at $300, I bet plenty of them have been opened and looked at. But a $2100 version of a book that nobody cared about in the first place? For something to be collectible and worthwhile, there has to be some demand. © Bart Van Hemelen
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stanleylieber said: i don't necessarily think his richest fans are his most knowledgeable or even that they are the ones who necessarily care the most about his unreleased/rare material. you could very well be right that there aren't 950 people willing to drop $2100 on this new item.
But still: one of the rarest items when it comes to Prince collectibles is currently priced at £350. I heard years ago that the collectors market for Prince stuff has collapsed, since his popularity is simply not there anymore. © Bart Van Hemelen
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BartVanHemelen said: stanleylieber said: i don't necessarily think his richest fans are his most knowledgeable or even that they are the ones who necessarily care the most about his unreleased/rare material. you could very well be right that there aren't 950 people willing to drop $2100 on this new item.
But still: one of the rarest items when it comes to Prince collectibles is currently priced at £350. I heard years ago that the collectors market for Prince stuff has collapsed, since his popularity is simply not there anymore. that jibes with my own experience trying to sell stuff. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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Anxiety said: i don't think i'd fully embraced the .org or much else in cyber-fam-land when 'crystal ball' first came out. i didn't even start posting regularly on the .org until around the time of the RAVE album.
IIRC: The Org wasn't around when CB hit, it was still the PPML back then. The Org only happened after the lawsuits in 1999, when Diana Dawkins stopped doing The Prince Family and Ben & Kev quickly threw together a site where you could post news, since Pierre Igot had already gone to the Dark Side ages ago and was censoring news. © Bart Van Hemelen
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stanleylieber said: there is more to his work than his identity as a jehovah's witness, black american and an abused artist. i wish he hadn't forgotten that somewhere along the way.
Oh please, he wasn't an abused artist. He had a vanity label that lost MILLIONS and WB picked up the tab. He made vanity movies and WB picked up the tab. He signed contracts against the advice of his lawyers and band members and suddenly he's "abused"? He made his own bed. stanleylieber said: prince can eat hamburgers or weeds; i don't care. i would however enjoy more of the same kind of results we used to get from his 24/7 music immersion lifestyle.
The dumbest thing he ever did was fire the managers that dared say no, and fire the band members that dared confront him. Now he's surrounded by yes men. stanleylieber said: maybe that's not how he wants to live his life anymore,
He wants to have his cake and eat it. © Bart Van Hemelen
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stanleylieber said: BartVanHemelen said: But still: one of the rarest items when it comes to Prince collectibles is currently priced at £350. I heard years ago that the collectors market for Prince stuff has collapsed, since his popularity is simply not there anymore. that jibes with my own experience trying to sell stuff. English is my third language, so I don't know what jibes means in this context. © Bart Van Hemelen
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BartVanHemelen said: stanleylieber said: that jibes with my own experience trying to sell stuff. English is my third language, so I don't know what jibes means in this context. it means i agree. what you say fits with my experience. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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everglaze said: I read all about this Opus yesterday and it's really made me sad
. I have been a Prince fan for over 20 years. I've bought records, imports, then CD's, books, videos, concert tickets, DVD's even frigging tamborines and incense sticks from NPG store. More recently £50 for Prince in Hawaii, 21 nights (£15), £55 for the website and another £13 for Lotusflow3r album. I feel everything is about getting as much money out of us as he can. A prize draw for all us suckers who joined the web-site would have gone down better rather than an auction - does anyone know if the money is going to charity? None of us 'normal' people who have followed him all these years would be able to compete with rich folk who can spend 100's of thousands of pounds bidding for the chance of a private party. I prefer to pay my mortgage and EAT. I am really disappointed with all this, I love him and I always will, but I am calling it quits on spending any more money. I have to disagree with you. For the most part i think his prices with a few exceptions has been quite reasonable. When it comes to concerts and music. what he has charged for live shows and after shows in comparison to other artists is within range for large and smaller venue. the 21 nights book for $34 plus a cd was reasonable. All that other stuff is extra that I don't really need, its up to the individual to make that choice. I got my three cds for 11.99 and I have made the choice for now, not to buy into to the $77 website.i'm waiting for concert time to see if its really worth it. i'm totally ignoring this opus thing, i don't need it and good for those who can afford. nobody is being forced to buy anything. [Edited 4/14/09 6:03am] | |
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wonder505 said: everglaze said: I read all about this Opus yesterday and it's really made me sad
. I have been a Prince fan for over 20 years. I've bought records, imports, then CD's, books, videos, concert tickets, DVD's even frigging tamborines and incense sticks from NPG store. More recently £50 for Prince in Hawaii, 21 nights (£15), £55 for the website and another £13 for Lotusflow3r album. I feel everything is about getting as much money out of us as he can. A prize draw for all us suckers who joined the web-site would have gone down better rather than an auction - does anyone know if the money is going to charity? None of us 'normal' people who have followed him all these years would be able to compete with rich folk who can spend 100's of thousands of pounds bidding for the chance of a private party. I prefer to pay my mortgage and EAT. I am really disappointed with all this, I love him and I always will, but I am calling it quits on spending any more money. I have to disagree with you. For the most part i think his prices with a few exceptions has been quite reasonable. When it comes to concerts and music. what he has charged for live shows and after shows in comparison to other artists is within range for large and smaller venue. the 21 nights book for $34 plus a cd was reasonable. All that other stuff is extra that I don't really need, its up to the individual to make that choice. I got my three cds for 11.99 and I have made the choice for now, not to buy into to the $77 website.i'm waiting for concert time to see if its really worth it. i'm totally ignoring this opus thing, i don't need it and good for those who can afford. nobody is being forced to buy anything. Quit being so reasonable. Don't you know this is the org - where unreasonable expectations prevail?  We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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TwiliteKid said: stanleylieber said: my observation is that somewhere along the way music stopped being the single most important element of his life. i speculate that it started with his decision to marry mayte and his claim that she had put him in 'studio rehab' (which seemed to be a signal that he was spending time doing other things besides recording for the first time in his adult life), and progressed through his jw conversion into what we have now. he still cranks out tunes but music is no longer the center of his existence as it once was. billy corgan recently wrote a livejournal post that talked about how, back in the original smashing pumpkins days (roughly '89-'95), they rehearsed upwards of 30 hours a week, even when they weren't touring or recording. he talked about how that level of familiarity with the music led to he process of carefully refining the writing and recording process, and how, in the years since, with much less practicing going on, he felt that he had at times lost his way in terms of having such a strong connection with his own music. prince can eat hamburgers or weeds; i don't care. i would however enjoy more of the same kind of results we used to get from his 24/7 music immersion lifestyle. maybe that's not how he wants to live his life anymore, but it does raise the question of why he keeps releasing albums and attaching more and more cruft to his legacy. before long he will have released more 'casual' albums than those created during the period of his intense musical focus. I agree with alot of what you've said here: It is quite apparent that Prince doesn't live and breathe music the way he used to and that change has impacted his his output. I think there's more to it than that though. I subscribe to the theory that Prince simply ran out of gas, used up his inital burst of inspiriation, at some point in the mid-90s, and that making music isn't as effortless for him as it once was. I recall reading an interview with Prince years ago where he said something to along the lines of costantly needing to record what was in his head before the next idea came along. I think those days are long gone. Given his musicianship and mastery of the studio, it seem's he's still capable of writing a new song whenever he likes, but the days of music pouring out him are gone. It's now more about craftmanship than anything else. I think that's why so much of his music doesn't have the same kind of emotional weight that it once had: It doesn't mean anything to its creator, either. Here's where I disagree with you: While it's obvious that Prince will never reach the dizzying heights of Golden Age again, I'm not sure that there's anything wrong with him continuing to put new music out. Observation of other pop music legends will show that they all lose grip on their genius eventually. I don't think they risk ruining their legacy by continuing to put out music. Sign O' The Times will always be absolutely brilliant, no matter how many Planet Earths Prince releases. While music may not be life for Prince anymore, its obviously still important to him, and always will be. What else is he going to do? I'm afraid this next paragraph will come across as rationalization, but it's not meant to be: personally, I long ago came to accept the difference in Prince's music now vs then, and I'm able to enjoy his work today because of that. That doesn't mean I delude myself in to thinking that Lotus Flower is as good as his worst album form the 80s, but I am geniuinely able to enjoy the music. I'm a vorcious fan of music, and there's no way that Lotus Flower or Mplsound will be on my top 10 at the end of the year, but that's OK. Prince has and will continue to give me hours of listening pleasure and I'm glad that's still new stuff to listen to, even it doesn't match the old. That's a very healthy approach... I like it. I too think that Prince's recent music has focused more on craftsmanship than creativity--many musical & lyrical & thematic ideas are being recycled but done with great technical expertise. It makes for a different kind of enjoyment than the days when you'd lift the needle off the record, rewind the tape or replay the CD because "what did he just say?" kind of quirky creativity snuck up on you. Both your postings were a great exchange to read... too bad they are bound to get lost in this thread. "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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wonder505 said: everglaze said: I read all about this Opus yesterday and it's really made me sad
. I have been a Prince fan for over 20 years. I've bought records, imports, then CD's, books, videos, concert tickets, DVD's even frigging tamborines and incense sticks from NPG store. More recently £50 for Prince in Hawaii, 21 nights (£15), £55 for the website and another £13 for Lotusflow3r album. I feel everything is about getting as much money out of us as he can. A prize draw for all us suckers who joined the web-site would have gone down better rather than an auction - does anyone know if the money is going to charity? None of us 'normal' people who have followed him all these years would be able to compete with rich folk who can spend 100's of thousands of pounds bidding for the chance of a private party. I prefer to pay my mortgage and EAT. I am really disappointed with all this, I love him and I always will, but I am calling it quits on spending any more money. I have to disagree with you. For the most part i think his prices with a few exceptions has been quite reasonable. When it comes to concerts and music. what he has charged for live shows and after shows in comparison to other artists is within range for large and smaller venue. the 21 nights book for $34 plus a cd was reasonable. All that other stuff is extra that I don't really need, its up to the individual to make that choice. I got my three cds for 11.99 and I have made the choice for now, not to buy into to the $77 website.i'm waiting for concert time to see if its really worth it. i'm totally ignoring this opus thing, i don't need it and good for those who can afford. nobody is being forced to buy anything. [Edited 4/14/09 6:03am] Most of the stuff he's sold has been for the average Joe the Fan. This is not. I'm just not getting the outrage/disappointment some have over this. Is it because he's advertising it on his Lotus website? Or is it because of the price placed on the set? Seriously, I'm wondering if the diehard Madonna fans flipped out this way because she's selling one of these Opus sets ... for $3,978 through on this site too. Or is it just a knee jerk Prince-fan response. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said: wonder505 said: I have to disagree with you. For the most part i think his prices with a few exceptions has been quite reasonable. When it comes to concerts and music. what he has charged for live shows and after shows in comparison to other artists is within range for large and smaller venue. the 21 nights book for $34 plus a cd was reasonable. All that other stuff is extra that I don't really need, its up to the individual to make that choice. I got my three cds for 11.99 and I have made the choice for now, not to buy into to the $77 website.i'm waiting for concert time to see if its really worth it. i'm totally ignoring this opus thing, i don't need it and good for those who can afford. nobody is being forced to buy anything. [Edited 4/14/09 6:03am] Most of the stuff he's sold has been for the average Joe the Fan. This is not. I'm just not getting the outrage/disappointment some have over this. Is it because he's advertising it on his Lotus website? Or is it because of the price placed on the set? Seriously, I'm wondering if the diehard Madonna fans flipped out this way because she's selling one of these Opus sets ... for $3,978 through on this site too. Or is it just a knee jerk Prince-fan response. i don't either. as long as i'm not forced to buy anything like that i could care less. as long as i have access to music and tickets for concerts there is no need for me to raise my blood pressure over this. that doesn't change my opinion of it being insanely overpriced but that's just my opinion. i didn't know about the madonna item, not to mention her concert ticket prices, now that is worth talking about. | |
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wonder505 said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Most of the stuff he's sold has been for the average Joe the Fan. This is not. I'm just not getting the outrage/disappointment some have over this. Is it because he's advertising it on his Lotus website? Or is it because of the price placed on the set? Seriously, I'm wondering if the diehard Madonna fans flipped out this way because she's selling one of these Opus sets ... for $3,978 through on this site too. Or is it just a knee jerk Prince-fan response. i don't either. as long as i'm not forced to buy anything like that i could care less. as long as i have access to music and tickets for concerts there is no need for me to raise my blood pressure over this. that doesn't change my opinion of it being insanely overpriced but that's just my opinion. i didn't know about the madonna item, not to mention her concert ticket prices, now that is worth talking about. Yeah Madonna's got a set on the "Opus Store" site too. Clearly these items are for the high fliers, not Joe the Fan. Big whoop. Correction: Oops Ok, My Bad I was going on another post, I went back and looked again, it's not Madonna it's MARADONA. But still, this is for high flier collectors. These folks are doing something on Vivienne Westwood and in the future will offer things on Major League Baseball and Ferreri too.
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TwiliteKid said: stanleylieber said: my observation is that somewhere along the way music stopped being the single most important element of his life. i speculate that it started with his decision to marry mayte and his claim that she had put him in 'studio rehab' (which seemed to be a signal that he was spending time doing other things besides recording for the first time in his adult life), and progressed through his jw conversion into what we have now. he still cranks out tunes but music is no longer the center of his existence as it once was. billy corgan recently wrote a livejournal post that talked about how, back in the original smashing pumpkins days (roughly '89-'95), they rehearsed upwards of 30 hours a week, even when they weren't touring or recording. he talked about how that level of familiarity with the music led to he process of carefully refining the writing and recording process, and how, in the years since, with much less practicing going on, he felt that he had at times lost his way in terms of having such a strong connection with his own music. prince can eat hamburgers or weeds; i don't care. i would however enjoy more of the same kind of results we used to get from his 24/7 music immersion lifestyle. maybe that's not how he wants to live his life anymore, but it does raise the question of why he keeps releasing albums and attaching more and more cruft to his legacy. before long he will have released more 'casual' albums than those created during the period of his intense musical focus. I agree with alot of what you've said here: It is quite apparent that Prince doesn't live and breathe music the way he used to and that change has impacted his his output. I think there's more to it than that though. I subscribe to the theory that Prince simply ran out of gas, used up his inital burst of inspiriation, at some point in the mid-90s, and that making music isn't as effortless for him as it once was. I recall reading an interview with Prince years ago where he said something to along the lines of costantly needing to record what was in his head before the next idea came along. I think those days are long gone. Given his musicianship and mastery of the studio, it seem's he's still capable of writing a new song whenever he likes, but the days of music pouring out him are gone. It's now more about craftmanship than anything else. I think that's why so much of his music doesn't have the same kind of emotional weight that it once had: It doesn't mean anything to its creator, either. Here's where I disagree with you: While it's obvious that Prince will never reach the dizzying heights of Golden Age again, I'm not sure that there's anything wrong with him continuing to put new music out. Observation of other pop music legends will show that they all lose grip on their genius eventually. I don't think they risk ruining their legacy by continuing to put out music. Sign O' The Times will always be absolutely brilliant, no matter how many Planet Earths Prince releases. While music may not be life for Prince anymore, its obviously still important to him, and always will be. What else is he going to do? I'm afraid this next paragraph will come across as rationalization, but it's not meant to be: personally, I long ago came to accept the difference in Prince's music now vs then, and I'm able to enjoy his work today because of that. That doesn't mean I delude myself in to thinking that Lotus Flower is as good as his worst album form the 80s, but I am geniuinely able to enjoy the music. I'm a vorcious fan of music, and there's no way that Lotus Flower or Mplsound will be on my top 10 at the end of the year, but that's OK. Prince has and will continue to give me hours of listening pleasure and I'm glad that's still new stuff to listen to, even it doesn't match the old. I really enjoyed reading both of these posts. -you ain't funky at all, you just a little ol' prude! | |
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BartVanHemelen said: stanleylieber said: i don't necessarily think his richest fans are his most knowledgeable or even that they are the ones who necessarily care the most about his unreleased/rare material. you could very well be right that there aren't 950 people willing to drop $2100 on this new item.
But still: one of the rarest items when it comes to Prince collectibles is currently priced at £350. I heard years ago that the collectors market for Prince stuff has collapsed, since his popularity is simply not there anymore. sorry can i ask what the item for £350 is ? | |
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LittleNicci said: BartVanHemelen said: But still: one of the rarest items when it comes to Prince collectibles is currently priced at £350. I heard years ago that the collectors market for Prince stuff has collapsed, since his popularity is simply not there anymore. sorry can i ask what the item for £350 is ? | |
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As much as I would like this Opus thing I cannot afford it really in this current financial climate, but I am happy that at least there is stuff out there instead of there being nothing - its all good folks | |
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everglaze said: I read all about this Opus yesterday and it's really made me sad
. I have been a Prince fan for over 20 years. I've bought records, imports, then CD's, books, videos, concert tickets, DVD's even frigging tamborines and incense sticks from NPG store. More recently £50 for Prince in Hawaii, 21 nights (£15), £55 for the website and another £13 for Lotusflow3r album. I feel everything is about getting as much money out of us as he can. A prize draw for all us suckers who joined the web-site would have gone down better rather than an auction - does anyone know if the money is going to charity? None of us 'normal' people who have followed him all these years would be able to compete with rich folk who can spend 100's of thousands of pounds bidding for the chance of a private party. I prefer to pay my mortgage and EAT. I am really disappointed with all this, I love him and I always will, but I am calling it quits on spending any more money. I was gonna ask why CalhounSq was spending her money in British pounds! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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