Genesia said:

Fiddle de dee!

Anxiety said:

Opus, Opus, Opus...

This Opus talk is spoiling all the fun at every party this spring. I get so bored I could scream!

BartVanHemelen said:

hopefully Prince will as well soon so we can all forget about this Opus thing and get back to the music!

Dsoul said:

It's 2009.
A lot can happen in 3 years... none of us live his life. We don't know what he eats/doesn't eat, thinks/doesn't think.
Prince fans don't let go of ANYTHING.

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[Edited 4/13/09 9:10am]

you know what - i agree with others on this forum and pls dont bash me as everyone has their opinions (as well as P)....

this whole opus thing has gone waay out of control - yeh ok he's released a follow up to the book with an ipod and whatever else you might get with it.....we're NOT entitled to go and buy it nor is P entitled to go sell merchandise at 31.21 every time. it doesnt make you less of a fan if you cant afford it so screw it - wait till theres something you can afford. Prince is doing just what he thinks or feels is right - or maybe not even his decision - but even so.....I reeally dont think he deserves this much bashing just cos of this book. there are different nieches in markets and you obviously arnt one of them.

ive been upset with some decisions in terms of Prince's strategy towards things but hey, he's not out there JUST for me...he's an artist and expressing as it comes. and i wont start bashing him and sayin shit just to make me feel better cos you know what?? ITS ABOUT THE MUSIC and im diggin the new stuff.

Rant over....carry on
[Edited 4/13/09 9:38am]

BartVanHemelen said:

What is that exactly, haven't heard about it until now?

Anxiety said:

that's still a really freaking expensive book!

I did a bit of research on the silk process....wow! I didn't know they had to kill the silkworms to get their silk I thought harvesting silk was the same process as how they collect honey from the honey bees. Not cool.

I guess this confirms that Prince no longer lives a harcore Vegan lifestyle anymore.I couldn't fathom him promoting a product that took the lives of so many animals and living creatures to create if he was stil Vegan. Either that or he's not an animal rights actiivst anymore.

NDRU said:

it is really freaking expensive, and to be honest, if i hadn't gotten it as a christmas gift, i don't know that i would have shelled out the money for it on my own accord. but i have to admit, it IS nice, and a lot of fun to flip through. and it's autographed by bowie himself. for $5 or 600, however much it cost, at least it's something that a normal human being could consider owning if they were that big of a fan.

Genesia said:

Oh yeah cuz he wrote Animal Kingdom, decried Milk in J2J and became a real life Vampire for no good reason!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

He wrote Animal Kingdom in...what...96?

He got over it. Why can't you?

Genesia said:

Again... it's 2009, people!
Life changes.

purplecam said:

I thought for sure you were peddling your ass in the subways by now!

Lammastide said:

Did you expect Prince to get all innovative and shit?

sexyeyeliner said:

The price is magnified by the fact it's a giant piece of crap!

I would buy it if I had $2100 to spend on Prince... I have damn near have everyting that I could buy within reason. The key is within reason. I have the 21 Nights book and honestly I never read it... I looked @ the pictures and loaded the CD on my PC. It does become a good conversation peice when company comes over, as does everything else Prince related.

As 4 Prince himself or the company that put this project 2gether... It works, it a good qaulity collector item 4 those who can afford it. It's a realy nice book and the jewel encrusted symbol, is the greatest thing ever and don't 4getthe 40 minute documentry (like we won't b searching 4 it 2 leak out). Like I said... If this was a few years ago, and I wanted 2 spend $2100, I would without thought order it. I now have a family and I don't go off the deep end 4 Prince collectables like I used 2.

I stand by the thought that Prince can demand such a price 4 those who want 2 pay the price. Prince has just as many fans that r not effected financally by the "recession" here in America. It's their choice 2 buy or not 2 buy such a book. I know that, I would... if I could bring myself 2 part with the cash, just 2 say that I have something that under a 950 people in the world have that is a true Prince collectable. But that is where it would stop becuase A collectable like this doesn't belong 2 those who trip over the price.

CandaceS said:

....what is there 2 b impressed about??..if u work hard and work right in life..u can do and get anything life has 2 offer...i know i wasn't born with a silver-spoon...if anything i have so many strikes against me as is..i'm a female and hispanic in a white,man's world...but hey i gotz 2 do what i gotz 2 do...SO DON'T BUY THE BOOK!!..i don't care about what u don't wanna do..i'm getting the book..and that is that..FIND IT..F**K IT..LEAVE IT AND 4GET ABOUT IT..
..mzsexybaby

BartVanHemelen said:

I don't believe i said it was the most collectible/rarest piece of crap available... I just pointed out you were wrong in stating that 950 isn't limited... And your follow up example states a limited number of 2500... nearly 3 x 950, methinks

Anxiety said:

i think this is the same thing i have been saying. it was made clear through numerous lyrics, statements, etc. that he was a proponent of veganism. so, when he involves himself in projects that clearly and needlessly violate those tenets, people are going to observe that he is acting hypocritically.

when i pointed it out in this thread, people acted like i was stupid for believing that he had ever been a vegetarian or vegan. all i'm asking is how you guys know he is no longer a vegan. are you making that assumption based on the way that he has (apparently) violated the tenets of veganism in the recent past, or has there actually been some sort of concrete indication from prince that he has moved away from veganism?

like i said above, i don't think any of these violations prove anything about what he does in his personal life. they served alcohol and meat products at many of his shows and events even at the height of his veganism.

it's all confusing but i don't think people are out of line for pointing out where prince seems to have been preaching veganism but not ensuring that his operation is in line with his preaching. especially in cases like this, where the alligator/leather/silk is not a necessary part of the product (like petroleum is necessary to the manufacture of CDs or fossil fuels are currently necessary to the production of electricity) but a luxury extra that's actually being used as a selling point.

BartVanHemelen said:

i don't necessarily think his richest fans are his most knowledgeable or even that they are the ones who necessarily care the most about his unreleased/rare material. you could very well be right that there aren't 950 people willing to drop $2100 on this new item.

dartluv5 said:

i think the crux of this is that it doesn't prove anything. prince is perfectly capable of still being a hardcore vegan while simultaneously releasing a product like this. it's not like the man has never contradicted himself before.

to me, cognitive dissonance like this is annoying. is the ambiguity still fun when it's a matter of life and death?

chocolate1 said:

because you guys are making assumptions just like we are. i've asked you to tell my why you think prince is no longer vegan, and your response has just been to say that 1996 was a long time ago. i think my assumptions are better sourced. fair enough, i could be wrong. but so could you. unless i'm mistaken, prince hasn't told you he's not vegan, either.

maybe prince was never a vegetarian or vegan at all. maybe he was just writing meaningless lyrics to go with his music.

regardless, i don't see why the question itself is supposed to be irrelevant.

stanleylieber said:

http://princetext.tripod....97.html#vt

Dsoul said:

that is one of the interviews i remember. prince calling himself a vegan out of his own mouth. so there's one down; prince was a vegan.

now, do we have a comparable source where prince declares that he is not a vegan, or are we really just basing that claim on assumptions drawn from him providing sushi at a live show?

i'm saying, we can't expect to draw such concrete inferences from prince's actions. he's a walking contradiction. at the same time, we can't jump on other prince fans for accurately referring to things that have come out of his own mouth. he called himself a vegan. if he is no longer a vegan, then fine. but if he is, then the crocodile/leather/silk thing is hypocritical and it's not unreasonable for that to be pointed out.

alternately, prince could have been lying in that 1997 interview.

stanleylieber said:

articles have mentioned him eating chicken and eggs. he mentioned the maker's diet in an interview, which is not exactly something that gets a good write-up in vegetarian times. i dunno, what more proof do you need? deliver a meat platter to his house and see what happens, i don't know what else to tell you.

Anxiety said:

<--- pictures somebody playing dingdong ditch, leaving a platter of cheese and sausage on Prince's doorstep

stanleylieber said:

You want proof? Here ya go...

stanleylieber said:

Honestly, I don't care if he never eats again, or sips sewer water....In fact, I think I made that point- that NONE of us knows what he eats/doesn't eat...
I'm just tired of people whining about and insulting each other over what Prince does or does not do. Are any of our lives forever altered if he stops at Fat Burger after leaving the club tonite? No.

So the question is irrelevant because it really doesn't matter in the bigger scheme of things. If U live in the US, we are in the midst of a recession, and there are troops at war. What Prince eats isn't important.

chocolate1 said:

i think i'm just out of touch with prince fandom. when i last participated regularly at this site, not being a vegan meant you weren't a prince fan.