See the title? Yea, that means people who are prone to go with Prince like the wind this thread isn't for you. It's for people like Wall,ColAngus,and whoever wants to join in a in depth critical thinking panel on the ethics of this chain store. What really humors me, is the backlash of anyone who offers a dissenting view to the usual.

Of course if you disagree you can join but cheerleading is discouraged in this thread. It's not hating to be critical. (So Mod's let's not get trigger happy on locking when you give plenty of brash Orger's on here passes because they despise Prince criticism. It happens and we all see it. No naming names but it's just facts. IT happens. )

I find this topic interesting for a few reasons because it was touched on but not in a depth fashion. Truth be told I think Prince linking up with Target he didn't do his homework on the moral/ethical practices of Target. Which just goes to show everyone needs to do a little background check on making exclusive business merge deals with a unethical company when you will be a mascot for them. Prince will be a mascot for Target. So now he has a responsibility to hear the background history of Target's abuses.

This thread will cover the ethical practices of Target & what fans are brushing off. Regardless if it's being made available elsewhere, Prince is co signing with a store that delves in SLAVE labor. I am sure you see the irony in this. Let me say that again for all my perceptive critical thinking Orger's. Prince is doing a direct deal with a chain store that involves "SLAVE LABOR" regarding their products. There is no grey there, it's just a fact.

So, I got a shovel and as soon as I touched ground, behold the evidence of this company not being on "TARGET" with ethics and the working class. (you like that pun? Yea, more puns coming in a minute)

Prince will probably be mad or embarrassed at this. Bria Valente would be wise to think through this partnership as well. Because Im guessing she didn't do her homework on a business arrangement like this. And her name is going to be branded for a long time.

So Mr "Planet Earth/Animal Kingdom/Dear Mr Man/"etc needs to realize how deep Target goes in unethical practices. I really can't believe that even alot of the mods didn't pick up on this. It's bad,people. it's really toxic association for alot of reasons. It's not going to be the right thing to sweep it across and say "SO? " Prince should know EXACTLY who he is doing business with. That is what this thread is here for.



Of more than 1,400 Target stores employing more than 300,000 people nationwide, not one has a union. Employees at various stores say an anti-union message and video is part of the new-employee orientation. At stores in the Twin Cities, where Target is headquartered, the United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW) union Local 789 has been trying for several years to help Target employees organize, with little luck.


Strike One, not one store has a union which leads to abuse in the workplace unethical business practices. Which is not supposedly the American way.
An anti-Union message. Prince is linking up with association of Anti-Union. Why is this important to an artist like Prince? It just doesn't look good at all. Everyone involved needs to know these things because their names are associated to Target as well. Bria Valente should know about the history of Target. this shouldn't be Taboo to discuss this.



People we are already off at a bad start. But it just gets worse, Embrace the horror as one of my favorite youtuber would say.



"People ask what the difference between Wal-Mart and Target is," said UFCW organizer Bernie Hesse. "Nothing, except that Wal-Mart is six times bigger. The wages start at $7.25 to $7.50 an hour [at Target]. They'll say that's a competitive wage, but they can't say it's a living wage. We know a lot of their managers are telling people, 'If we find out you're involved in organizing a union you'll get fired.'"

Strike Two: Target doesn't promote a living wage. This is bad publicity for any independent artists. We all know what Bruce Springsteen went through. Not promoting a living wage is toxic to eliminating a middle class in this society and without a middle class we lose more of what makes America the land of opportunity. It just gets worse with every fact. Intimidation? will get into that a bit.



A Target employee who asked that his name and store location be kept secret said he can barely make ends meet on his salary of $8.40 an hour.

"After three years, I have received less than $1 an hour in raises. I started at $7.65," said the worker, adding that he does love his job because of camaraderie with his co-workers. "We are never compensated and rarely even recognized for meeting our goals."

The starting wage he describes would put a single parent with two kids working full time at Target just slightly above the poverty line; someone with more children or working fewer hours would fall below the poverty line.

Compare that to Target CEO Robert Ulrich, who earned $23.1 million in 2005, according to Forbes, making him the second-highest paid CEO in the retail sector. That's more than 1300 times as much as the worker we spoke to.


Foul: This is a example of how Chain Stores are operating with the profit margin being considerably raped at the top. A race to the bottom is not how a society will thrive and prosper. By making a contractual agreement (Oh, But what happened to no more contracts? That went out the window too) Prince has to take "personal responsibility"for the business deals he prospers from. Because if we don't, we race further to the bottom. That's why it's good to have safeguards.


Now we get to the subject that everyone who is affiliated with Prince should pay attention to. Because this is the truth of "CHAIN STORES"
Which is why most of America has to have a detox of this







*****S L A V E L A B O R*****


Meanwhile a glance at labels on a few racks of stylish $20 cardigans and capri pants shows that, like Wal-Mart and most major clothing retailers, Target itself sources its products in India, Indonesia, Guatemala, Mexico, Bangladesh, Kenya, Sri Lanka, the Philippines, Vietnam, Cambodia and other low-wage, developing countries.

"The way the global garment industry is, there are so few factories that respect workers' rights that there is no way Target gets its clothes from workplaces where workers' rights are being respected," said Allie Robbins, national organizer of the group United Students Against Sweatshops.

Target doesn't differ from most major clothing vendors; you usually have to seek out small specialty companies to find union-made, American-made textiles. But as one of the country's major retailers, Target is an industry leader, fostering and profiting from the U.S.'s general culture of consumerism: We buy, buy, buy at ever lower prices in a market system sustained by very low-paid, non-union workforces in impoverished countries.

This sounds just like Wal-Mart only no real investigation because they aren't as big as Wal mart. But the big thing is Slave Labor,orger's. And being that Prince was always talking about Slavery, and all for freedom I think being associated with having Target advertise you is not being On "Target" with your principles.

I said my piece, now it's your turn.

Shouldn't this be in the Politics and Religion forum?

Dayclear said:

No,This is a on topic discussion regarding Prince's association with the chain store "Target". This is prince related because of the business nature that Prince has anchored himself to. In fact, I would say as soon as the promotion gets running on this, it's completely on topic. But thank you for your cordial response.

The problem is one of ownership and capitalism ....most of the largest companies in the world have at some point broken ethical laws in some country ..so unless Prince was not going to go down physical distrubution method he would not get his CD out in Physical form...

Prince has by allowing his fan the means to download the CD has made a great stand for Ethical business pratice..

But business is business ...and with this in mind he still needs to sell to his customer based that

A) do not have internet connection
and
B) still require an old type CD / Record purchase ...humans have since dawn have purchased physical objects ...that will not change ...music can be downloaded yes but it will still need to carried in some physical form, from place to place or media to media...for years to come.

...next...

Trickology, go on with ya bad self you critical thinking son of a gun.

Trickology said:

and prince should solve this problem for them how exactly? not everyting is
within prince's power.

if anything, all the bitching by people like you and others in the press are
going to attract a lot of attention to the horrible practices going on and
that's never a bad thing. it will start a discussion, perhaps. if people are
not so shallow as to only use this to bitch about prince again but instead
as a means of making a difference for the people suffering through target.

So...anybody who works, but isn't a member of a union, is a slave?

If I were compelled to join a union and forced to pay dues so that some union mucky-muck could live high on the hog while doing jack shit for me...then I might feel like a slave. (Why should a union get a cut of my pay? Won't I make less once they've taken theirs?)

As it is, my employer pays me in a manner I agree is fair (my agreement indicated by the fact that I continue to work here). If I didn't think it was right, I'd work somewhere else - a choice people at Target (presumably) can make for themselves.

THis is with ANY business. It's not just about Target. If Prince had went to Best Buy or Wal*Mart it would be the same issues. Hell maybe worse. You can't get around it. And how you go and go on about what Prince should have done with HIS busines deal?

My brother works there and makes 9.00 an hour. I think he is doing ok. He has been there 2 years despite them laying off 900 people last year and 600 people this year.

Really there always got to be somebody b.s.'ng about something.

I agree and disagree. I hate that Prince went this route with the album. He should swallow his pride and get back to a label and have it distrubuted everywhere.
Now as far as the Union..The union is good and bad. I dont see why its a big deal when it comes to the wages. Every major chain cant pay every employee 10-15 bucks an hour. If they did, their prices would go thru the roof. Now if they are involved in copyright infringment like Wal Mart (see adidas lawsuit against wal mart) then screw em... if theyre breaking labor laws like wal mart, then screw em...but wages? Thats just life. Some places pay great, some dont. I mean come on, next thing ya know, employees working the drive thru at McDonalds will be getting paid $13 an hour so they can have a "living" wage and we'll be paying $7 for a cheeseburger and $10 for the combo.

That was an interesting piece right there but to me, this is bigger than Prince. Nobody forces anyone to work anywhere, it's a choice, at least it is in America. Nobody is telling workers at Target once you are an employee of Target, then we got you till we say we're done, it's a choice for anyone who wants to work there and if they don't like it, they can go. I have a friend of mine that works in Target and I'm going to ask him how it is working there. I already know that he doesn't like his boss but as for anything else, I'll seek it out. What I know of unions is that they can be great and horrible in one shot. Unions protect workers but they also make it hard to get rid of workers who are shitty unless something really bad happens with them. I've never been in a union but my best friend is in one and that's what I've learned with them. As for Prince and selling his CD's, it's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. The labels don't work, now big-chain stores don't work. I guess it's the lesser of 2 evils, when put in this way and with everything in general.
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LondonStyle said:

Unfortunately you didn't answer the allegations and the facts surrounding Target. How can you see this as a good partnership when there is an agreement for a Target commercial as well? Your basis of "you needing a cd" so Prince has to do a deal with Target isn't rational. There are plenty of other avenues of where Prince can sell his CD. That is a fact.

You are also engaging in brushing off unethical practices that are across the board that have not been thorougly discussed or investigated due to the fact that Target is a powerful corporation with a cabal of legal counsel. But I assure you a small business could not partake in actions like this due to the unethical matters.

My problem with this association stems with the common laissez faire attitude with regards on how chain stores should operate in our towns and cities. Usually what happens in the race to the bottom, the citizens do not start complaining til it effects them directly in a negative manner. That is why you should be weary of partnerships like this,Londonstyle. It's another sign of the festers in our society that will bring America to a standstill regarding Liberty.

This is why it's important. And that's also why we as listeners of Prince should be more thoughtful in this manner. And not just blink and shrug it off.
You got to start somewhere,LondonStyle. I appreciate your comments though.

OP: I disagree with your assessment of Unions.

A Union's purpose is to provide collective bargaining. When a Business chooses not to accept collective bargaining, then it's choosing to bargain with it's employee on a per person basis.

This in reference to pay, promotion, conflict resolution, etc. It's provides a balance of an At-Will Employer and an At-Will Employee.

In some cases, it is more efficient to engage in collective bargaining. It may come about because a majority of workers will strike, causing production loss, and more. It's possible to streamline an organization by using collective bargaining to standardize many levels of work flow, compensation, and protection from lawsuits by having consistent conflict resolution.

A Union can only exist if the employer deems it necessary to survive. In that way, a business can only exist if the CUSTOMER encourages its existence. Obviously, Target's Non-Union model is sufficient to their bottom line. That allows Target to grow, expand into larger markets, create jobs, and provide competitive prices for products and services.

So maybe you should write every non-union employer, and not just focus on Target. I work for a non-union company and I have some of the best benefits an employee can ever imagine. Great healthcare coverage/flex benefits, good salary, just to mention a few. I used to belong to a union when I lived in Florida for anther employer, and they didn't do jackisht for the employees, not to mention, some of the employees there mistreated others.

Secondly, if you're bringing home a paycheck, everyone is a slave to society. So what else ya got?

About Target, I was happy they came to my neighborhood. Their prices are just right for the average family, seeing how my community is surrounded by 2 other major malls with very expensive stores, where the average family of 2 kids or more, may find it hard to purchase clothing and other basic items, due to high prices. Not to mention the mom and pop stores, that charge an arm and leg for their items.

So if you have an issue with Target, then you should have have aired your opinion about it before 3/2 when the articles were posted about Prince doing business with them. All of a sudden now it becomes a concern to you. Not falling for your BS.
[Edited 3/3/09 11:50am]

Genesia said:

Unfortunately, You are missing the whole point of this thread. So let me tell you why this looks bad for Bria Valente and Prince. (I will get into Unions in a second)

What ethnic background is PRince?
What ethnic Background is Bria valente?

What you aren't connecting is of how it is perceived. Most likely the manufacturer workers are not white. Do you think a story like this if someone were to bring it up in the paper or press would go over well? How would Prince debate his direct association to Target if asked these questions in a interview? He and Bria would be embarrassed and rightfully so. That most of the workers are working under Slave labor conditions for lower prices. I don't know about you but I see a Orwellian moment right before our eyes.

It's not a lower price. It's a higher price for society and the continuation of the race to the bottom which we are currently chugging along with every moment. This is not a way to do business. That is why business and ethics must coexist.
Or it will only get worse.

BTW, your definition of unions can be said the same for many corporation committees. Once again it's in the framing of the definition. Unions are everywhere in Corporations, know that. It's just defined as something else.
It's a brilliant con and another reason why the middle class is getting eliminated. You just accepted the indoctrination of corporate culture. This has happened to alot of america. And a country can't sustain itself with this much apathy regarding Workers in America.

I thank you for your response though.

purplecam said:

Absolutely. If you stay on any job, unionized or not, and you feel there are unfit working conditions or you are being mistreated, then why stay? You can always file a grievance with the EEO in your state once you leave. Target is retail, and there's a multitude of retail stores out there, that may offer better pay and have better working conditions and job growth. I don't condone unfit working conditions or mistreatment of employees by any employer, but no one forces an employee to stay.

When these workers took the job, they knew there was no union. Abuse in the workplace happens at unionized companies, if people think it don't, then they are kidding themselves.


Does Target force their employees to wear chains on their hands and feet? If they feel they are not paid fairly, then isn't it time to seek other employment? Are these employees not "limiting" themselves to the kind of pay they deserve? Job performance is based on yearly evaluations. Merit increases are based on job performance. I know people making over $50,000 and are having a hard time keeping up with bills on non-union jobs, so what makes a Target employee any different? If you limit yourself, then you limit how far you go in life.
[Edited 3/3/09 12:09pm]

From http://sites.target.com/s...P04-031696

Corporate Recognition Awards

Ethisphere Magazine ranks Target among the World’s Most Ethical Companies – 6/24/2008

BusinessWeek named Target among “Most Innovative Companies” – 4/22/2008

Black Collegian Magazine ranked Target 6th among Top 100 Employers – 3/12/2008

Fortune Magazine ranked Target one of “America’s Most Admired Companies” – 3/3/2008

BusinessWeek ranks Target 20th among top 50 Best Internships – 2008

BusinessWeek lists Target 24th in World’s Most Innovative Companies – 2008

Ethisphere Council names Target one of the World's Most Ethical Companies – 2008

Fortune ranks Target 31st in 500 Largest U.S. Corporations – 2008

Fortune places Target 11th in “America’s Most Admired Companies” – 2008

Fortune magazine names the Target Bullseye the champion in “Company Logo Smackdown,” beating out Apple, Nike, Google, McDonald’s and CBS – 2008

International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) recognized Target for Continued Support and Contributions – 9/1/2007

National Black MBA Association (NBMBAA) Twin Cities Chapter named Target Corporate Partner of the Year – 8/26/2007

Universum Communications listed Target in the Top-10 List of “Ideal Employers” – 8/9/2007

INROADS Corporate Plus Award – 7/19/2007

Chief Executive Magazine named Robert J. Ulrich “CEO of the Year” – 6/7/2007
Federal Bureau of Investigation recognized Target for Community Contributions with “Directors Community Leadership Award” – 6/7/2007

United Way “Operations United Way” earned the “Employee Engagement Award” – 5/17/2007

The Dave Thomas Foundation for Adoption ranked Target among Best Adoption-Friendly Companies – 5/3/2007

DiversityBusiness.com recognized Target – 5/1/2007

Ethisphere Council names Target one of the World's Most Ethical Companies – 2007

INROADS 25 Year Commitment Recognition – 2007

International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) recognized Target for Continued Support and Contributions to IACP – 2007

Metropolitan Economic Development Association Corporation of the Year 2007

National Black MBA Association (NBMBAA) The Silver Torch Award – 2007

Corporate Citizenship Survey ranks Target second – 2006

DiversityBusiness.com "Top 50" Corporations for Supplier Diversity – 2006

Federal Bureau of Investigation “Director’s Community Leadership Award” – 2006

Fortune “Top 100 Employers for Women” list – 2006

INROADS Strategic Growth Award – 2006

International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) recognizes Target for continued support and contributions to the IACP – 2006

Metropolitan Economic Development Association Corporation of the Year – 2006

National Association of Minority Contractors Corporate Partner of the Year – 2006

National Business Group on Health “Best Employer for Healthy Lifestyle” – 2006

National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C) recognizes Target for continued dedication in support of state and local law enforcement and NW3C – 2006

Newsweek names Target the corporate recipient of the “Giving Back Awards” – 2006

U.S. Secret Service “Certificate of Appreciation” from Director W. Ralph Basham for efforts and superior contributions to the law enforcement responsibilities of the Secret Service – 2006

Women Business Development Center Minnesota (A chapter of Women Business Enterprise National Council), Corporate Partner of the Year – 2006

American Red Cross Good Neighbor Award – 2005

Americans for the Arts Corporate Citizenship in the Arts Award – 2005

Barron's magazine survey ranks Target 6th "Most Respected Company" – 2005

DiversityBusiness.com "Top 50" Corporations for Supplier Diversity – 2005

Forbes names Target "Most Charitable Company" – 2005

Keep America Beautiful awards 1st place National Award for Waste Reduction – 2005

National Association for Female Executives (NAFE) "Top 30 Companies for Executive Women" – 2005

“Literacy Campaign Award” for Reach Out and Read, presented by First Lady Laura Bush – 2004

American Red Cross Circle of Humanitarians Award – 2004

King Center "Salute to Greatness" Award, recognizing civic engagement and consistent commitment to community” – 2004

National Committee for Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve Washington State Chapter "Outstanding Employer" award – 2004

Working Mother "100 Best Companies for Working Mothers" – 2004

Forbes names Target "One of the Most Philanthropic Companies" – 2003

Dauphin said:

When I came to work at the company I've been at for 17 years (first part-time, then full-time), they handed me the company handbook. There, on the very first page, it said (paraphrasing because I don't have it handy), "There are no unions here...and there will be no unions here. We want to deal with issues that employees have one-on-one - we don't need unions getting in the way."

The company has always paid wages that are well above the scale for the rural area in which we're located. When I was working part-time, my hourly base wage was, IIRC, around $8.50. And I got a premium for working evenings (probably $.50 an hour) and Sundays (over $1/hr). I thought that was damn good for a part-time job - it's part of the reason I wanted to work here full-time.

Since November of 1996, my pay has gone up (on average) 8%/year. That would never have happened if I were in a union - because they'd've taken the raises I earned on merit and spread them around to all the laggards.

My sister, on the other hand, is a flight attendant. Her wages have gone down by about a third in the last few years...and she's still paying those union dues. (The flight attendant's union is part of Teamsters.) Yeah...that union membership's worked real well for her.

CarrieMpls said:

LOL

2elijah said:

It's not BS, first off. I don't shop at chain stores at all. I support my local businesses. It's a discussion regarding the association of Target and Prince. I am telling you that a corporation that engages in this fashion with this many unethical claims against it, isn't a good look for Prince or Bria Valente.

The defense you bring that you have a company that is nonunion and it's wonderful, that isn't rational. That will change when times get rougher in the economic landscape. It's like me saying to a person who is dying for a glass of water "Well, I have water. I don't see a problem. Get yourself some water thirsty person " It's insane. Which is really myopic in the
bigger picture.

You can be happy as a clam that Target comes to your town. But know the price you are putting on our country regarding the growth and development. We can't live in a society based on lower prices for long.

One of these days it's going to come back to haunt you. You are going to see the corporations have their own unions but you don't have any place to run to for protection. Then suddenly you will need that glass of water in that desert. Only thing is, there won't be. That's why it's vital,2elijah. It's a safeguard for society for the only last thing to grasp to.

And then you will understand the necessity of community run stores. But not until you have that epiphany.

Regarding Prince & Target, quite frankly it should be everything he is against,period.

I thank you for your comments though.

Trickology said:

Ohhhhh. So this isn't really about unions (even though that's how you framed it). It's about race. (Isn't it always?)

And Prince should be embarrassed to be associated with a company that provides jobs for non-white people because...?

Trickology said:

Thanks you but i did , you just have not seen the bigger picture ...a business has one purpose only which is to make MONEY hence the opening line of my first reply to you ..please read it is very important...

No the avenues you pretend to lead you down the same street ...you must understand that "REAL" ethical business is based on trade of goods ...i.e. Gold for Guns ....Guns for Slaves...Silk for Spices...etc...yes I have added Slaves as they built the world you and I live in ..and still do around the world.

The modern global market does not allow for this "local" trade anymore, because of global markets TIME is now king i.e. TIME is MONEY ...this has been the case for 400 years..

This means that for effective Distrubution to work in these times the return needs to be instant and widespread....hence Prince taking money up front...and the Target Store selling the CD's ...with sole rights in their market...

The other key to global markets and the reason we are all in so much trouble at the moment is PROFIT ... hence the reason for the deal ...Target offered the greater profit for Prince and the most creative freedom .... the trade off ...global business only do deals that make them money they do not care about creative freedom ...


...next...

Genesia said:

No, it's about alot of issues regarding this corporation. It doesn't look good from Prince's standpoint. That is what the discussion is about. You can argue the point all you want. But when the smoke clears it still doesn't look ethical. It's a company that relies on intimidation and Slave Labor. I don't know about you but that isn't a good road to traverse for any independent artist.

2elijah said:

Another point to make, if you have a family and you are struggling to make ends meet, you won't care if you have to clean the dirtiest toilet on God's green earth, you are going to take that job because you want to keep a roof over your head and food on you table for you, your spouse and/or your child(ren). If Target is where you can go to provide, then go and do it. As long as it's not illegal, then go where it's right for you.

Trickology said:

On the contrary - it looks great from Prince's standpoint - and to the public - because most people love Target. It's cool and hip and people feel good shopping there. Nobody (but you, apparently) thinks the people who work there are slaves.

purplecam said:

This subject is going all over the place this is about business ethical business in a Global world with Global markets ...why do people think it's about unions ....they have not had any power since the 70's and will never have power again anywhere in the world....!

Those who do not have a union get sacked ...those that do get sacked...it's the business that holds the cards....wake up people ...it's gone global...

What the hell is illegal..????.."White Collar" crime is the most underhand crime in the world at the moment it's killing people all over the world ...you really think the bankers give a damn if a office cleaner can't feed the family....the answer is No

ethical business is a joke....in a global world it does not work!! it just PR people...

Trickology said:

Well, from my current situation with my employer, it doesn't look like the well will be drying up anytime soon, and no it won't come back to haunt me. I have been employed with this company for over 12 years. Now there were times in between where I felt I deserved a higher raise, and didn't get it, but that higher raise came in time. I am not saying that I could never lose my job, as I am not blind to know that what you have today, you could lose tomorrow. But even with the slump of the economy, I was very lucky, as well as other employees on my job, who received a promotion and a raise in December, so I'm okay. Besides, if I was being mistreated, I would have never stayed with my employer.

Anyway, about Target, there are hundreds of thousands of non-union employers and I just find it strange, that out of the blue, you chose to mention Target because you found out that Prince is doing business with them to get his music released.

I think you have another agenda. I don't see what Prince or Bria's race have to do with it. If your anger is about low wages, bad working conditions and mistreatment of employees of Target, would that not include "all" the employees of Target and not just a specific group, which it seems you're trying to say in a roundabout way? .

Your complaints about Targets ethics reminds me of what some UK orgers said about one of their newspapers, code of ethics, when Prince made an agreement with the Daily Mail on Sunday paper to have free cds of Planet Earth included in their paper.
[Edited 3/3/09 18:25pm]

purplecam said:

Fact is, if an employee feels their employer is not paying them enough or are mistreating them, then why would they stay there, when they can get up off their ass and find employment that pays a decent salary, and have better working conditions

Now if Trickology states that Target has its products made in places like India, Indonesia, Guatemala, Mexico, Bangladesh, etc., and is no better than any other American chain store like Walmart that does, then I would need to do more research on my own to find proof. However, unless there was proof that Target is pressing these cds for P, in these counries where this is going on, then without proof, I cannot point fingers.
[Edited 3/3/09 13:20pm]

Dauphin said:

Agreed. I would personally not choose the union option even if it was available to me. I would rather bargain one on one with my superior. In my eyes, who, besides myself, can get me better/more pay?
[Edited 3/3/09 13:02pm]

Trickology said:

I do not agree.

My first part-time job as a waitress only paid 5.75 and hour. There are a lot of stores that pay minimum wage. A lot of times they pay that for jobs that are not all that challenging. I do not mean that to put anyone down but the more a person works and learns the more that person can move up in the world.
If you owned a large business would you pay 11.00 or more an hour to your employees for pushing carts inside and bagging merchandise? Jobs like these are aimed more at the younger generation part-time employees to give them a starter type job. This is just my outlook on it.
I already stated my opinion on the union issue (which to me is NOT an issue).
If there is a particular Target store that does not 'recognize' its' employees than that particular store could simply be bad management...not 'bad chain'.
And I do not feel that any of this makes it look bad on Prince or Bria.
But again, my opinion.
This again is not intended to put anyone down, however, honestly those minimum wage type jobs are targeted (I think) towards the newer worker. I never expected anymore than min. wage when I was started my career.
I would have been happy making 8.40 or 7.75 an hour at my first job!
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come on with the cds prince ... !!!