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PrintableNone of this Lotus Flower stuff seems to matter that much now since we've Heard The King is coming back.
My focus is well and truly on the O2. Psyche. | |
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CarrieMpls said: From http://sites.target.com/s...P04-031696
Corporate Recognition Awards Ethisphere Magazine ranks Target among the World’s Most Ethical Companies – 6/24/2008 BusinessWeek named Target among “Most Innovative Companies” – 4/22/2008 Black Collegian Magazine ranked Target 6th among Top 100 Employers – 3/12/2008 Fortune Magazine ranked Target one of “America’s Most Admired Companies” – 3/3/2008 BusinessWeek ranks Target 20th among top 50 Best Internships – 2008 BusinessWeek lists Target 24th in World’s Most Innovative Companies – 2008 Ethisphere Council names Target one of the World's Most Ethical Companies – 2008 Fortune ranks Target 31st in 500 Largest U.S. Corporations – 2008 Fortune places Target 11th in “America’s Most Admired Companies” – 2008 Fortune magazine names the Target Bullseye the champion in “Company Logo Smackdown,” beating out Apple, Nike, Google, McDonald’s and CBS – 2008 International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) recognized Target for Continued Support and Contributions – 9/1/2007 National Black MBA Association (NBMBAA) Twin Cities Chapter named Target Corporate Partner of the Year – 8/26/2007 Universum Communications listed Target in the Top-10 List of “Ideal Employers” – 8/9/2007 INROADS Corporate Plus Award – 7/19/2007 Chief Executive Magazine named Robert J. Ulrich “CEO of the Year” – 6/7/2007 Federal Bureau of Investigation recognized Target for Community Contributions with “Directors Community Leadership Award” – 6/7/2007 United Way “Operations United Way” earned the “Employee Engagement Award” – 5/17/2007 The Dave Thomas Foundation for Adoption ranked Target among Best Adoption-Friendly Companies – 5/3/2007 DiversityBusiness.com recognized Target – 5/1/2007 Ethisphere Council names Target one of the World's Most Ethical Companies – 2007 INROADS 25 Year Commitment Recognition – 2007 International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) recognized Target for Continued Support and Contributions to IACP – 2007 Metropolitan Economic Development Association Corporation of the Year 2007 National Black MBA Association (NBMBAA) The Silver Torch Award – 2007 Corporate Citizenship Survey ranks Target second – 2006 DiversityBusiness.com "Top 50" Corporations for Supplier Diversity – 2006 Federal Bureau of Investigation “Director’s Community Leadership Award” – 2006 Fortune “Top 100 Employers for Women” list – 2006 INROADS Strategic Growth Award – 2006 International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) recognizes Target for continued support and contributions to the IACP – 2006 Metropolitan Economic Development Association Corporation of the Year – 2006 National Association of Minority Contractors Corporate Partner of the Year – 2006 National Business Group on Health “Best Employer for Healthy Lifestyle” – 2006 National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C) recognizes Target for continued dedication in support of state and local law enforcement and NW3C – 2006 Newsweek names Target the corporate recipient of the “Giving Back Awards” – 2006 U.S. Secret Service “Certificate of Appreciation” from Director W. Ralph Basham for efforts and superior contributions to the law enforcement responsibilities of the Secret Service – 2006 Women Business Development Center Minnesota (A chapter of Women Business Enterprise National Council), Corporate Partner of the Year – 2006 American Red Cross Good Neighbor Award – 2005 Americans for the Arts Corporate Citizenship in the Arts Award – 2005 Barron's magazine survey ranks Target 6th "Most Respected Company" – 2005 DiversityBusiness.com "Top 50" Corporations for Supplier Diversity – 2005 Forbes names Target "Most Charitable Company" – 2005 Keep America Beautiful awards 1st place National Award for Waste Reduction – 2005 National Association for Female Executives (NAFE) "Top 30 Companies for Executive Women" – 2005 “Literacy Campaign Award” for Reach Out and Read, presented by First Lady Laura Bush – 2004 American Red Cross Circle of Humanitarians Award – 2004 King Center "Salute to Greatness" Award, recognizing civic engagement and consistent commitment to community” – 2004 National Committee for Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve Washington State Chapter "Outstanding Employer" award – 2004 Working Mother "100 Best Companies for Working Mothers" – 2004 Forbes names Target "One of the Most Philanthropic Companies" – 2003 show off!  | |
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npggirl77 said: Trickology said: No, it's about alot of issues regarding this corporation. It doesn't look good from Prince's standpoint. That is what the discussion is about. You can argue the point all you want. But when the smoke clears it still doesn't look ethical. It's a company that relies on intimidation and Slave Labor. I don't know about you but that isn't a good road to traverse for any independent artist. I do not agree. My first part-time job as a waitress only paid 5.75 and hour. There are a lot of stores that pay minimum wage. A lot of times they pay that for jobs that are not all that challenging. I do not mean that to put anyone down but the more a person works and learns the more that person can move up in the world. If you owned a large business would you pay 11.00 or more an hour to your employees for pushing carts inside and bagging merchandise? Jobs like these are aimed more at the younger generation part-time employees to give them a starter type job. This is just my outlook on it. I already stated my opinion on the union issue (which to me is NOT an issue). If there is a particular Target store that does not 'recognize' its' employees than that particular store could simply be bad management...not 'bad chain'. And I do not feel that any of this makes it look bad on Prince or Bria. But again, my opinion. This again is not intended to put anyone down, however, honestly those minimum wage type jobs are targeted (I think) towards the newer worker. I never expected anymore than min. wage when I was started my career. I would have been happy making 8.40 or 7.75 an hour at my first job! [Edited 3/3/09 13:02pm] Exactly. My niece got her first job almost two years ago (when she was 14) - at a fast food restaurant. I asked her, "So...how do you like the job?" She said, "It's okay, I guess. Kind of boring." I said, "When it gets tough, just keep this in mind: You work this kind of job now...so you don't have to work it later. Learn everything you can about being a good employee, give it your best, and you'll eventually be given a chance to do something more to your liking." Too many people these days - young people, especially - think everything should just be handed to them. I worked my share of crappy and/or low-paying jobs when I was coming up. I sucked it up in the hope that something better was out there - and that my current employer would one day give me a great reference. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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i think this thread is reaching. 
i like prince. he's not without fault, but i like the majority of what he's done. i like target. it's not without fault, but i like the majority of what target does. prince is selling his new music at target. well, okay then. i don't mean to be dismissive, but he could have made far worse choices for a retail distributor. | |
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Anxiety said: i think this thread is reaching.
i like prince. he's not without fault, but i like the majority of what he's done. i like target. it's not without fault, but i like the majority of what target does. prince is selling his new music at target. well, okay then. i don't mean to be dismissive, but he could have made far worse choices for a retail distributor. AGREED. Target is a much better choice. Better than the mother of all (retail) slave labor..(walmart). Who cares anyway, bring on the music. I got my Target charge card ready!!!!  Prince did an interview with a woman at Record World. They talked about whatever, then he asked her: "Does your pubic hair go up to your navel?" At that moment, we thought maybe we shouldn't encourage him to do interviews. | |
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Anxiety said: i think this thread is reaching.
i like prince. he's not without fault, but i like the majority of what he's done. i like target. it's not without fault, but i like the majority of what target does. prince is selling his new music at target. well, okay then. i don't mean to be dismissive, but he could have made far worse choices for a retail distributor. This also raises the question...how many choices did he have, really? I mean...think about it. He needs a national retailer – with plenty of brick and mortar - that sells music. How many of those still exist? Starbucks is out of the music business, for the most part. Circuit City is out of business, entirely. So is Tower Records (and they weren't in smaller markets, anyway). So you have Target...Walmart...and Best Buy. Two of the three are based in Minneapolis. And Target probably has better saturation. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Unions...?
I've worked in retail my entire life from clerk to management. What is this 'union' thing you speak of? | |
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I dont believe that the average consumer will look in depth into the relationship P has contracted with Target or how bad this is for him/Bria. It will be more about "OOhh, Prince has a new CD out and it's only 12 bucks!" Whatever ethical issues Target has with their employees is bigger than Prince releasing his album through them.  &  | |
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are u an ex employee with beef?..  | |
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Trickology said: See the title? Yea, that means people who are prone to go with Prince like the wind this thread isn't for you. It's for people like Wall,ColAngus,and whoever wants to join in a in depth critical thinking panel on the ethics of this chain store.
That to me sounds more like dictatorship than a invitation to join your ethical debate! Some people are like Slinkies...
They're good for nothing but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs. | |
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An in depth critical thinking panel on the ethics of(Target) this chain store.
Should Not be in a Prince forum.  Prince did an interview with a woman at Record World. They talked about whatever, then he asked her: "Does your pubic hair go up to your navel?" At that moment, we thought maybe we shouldn't encourage him to do interviews. | |
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lottielooloo1968 said: are u an ex employee with beef?..
It sure sounds like it! Or a disgruntled Prince fan and pissed off current Target employee.[Edited 3/3/09 15:38pm] & | |
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xenon said: Trickology said: See the title? Yea, that means people who are prone to go with Prince like the wind this thread isn't for you. It's for people like Wall,ColAngus,and whoever wants to join in a in depth critical thinking panel on the ethics of this chain store.
That to me sounds more like dictatorship than a invitation to join your ethical debate!  -you ain't funky at all, you just a little ol' prude! |
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CherrieMoonKisses said: lottielooloo1968 said: are u an ex employee with beef?..
It sure sounds like it! Or a disgruntled Prince fan and pissed off current Target employee.
[Edited 3/3/09 15:38pm] | |
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I dont think Prince knows about this and even if he did, every corp is involved in some kind of shady business..how can you avoid it and still bring home the bacon? This tugs at my heart strings, slavery should be done away with already. Cuzzin'... when Spooky say dead, u better say died. | |
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ronnwinter said: I agree and disagree. I hate that Prince went this route with the album. He should swallow his pride and get back to a label and have it distrubuted everywhere.
Because we all know how ethical record labels and the RIAA are.  | |
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Cheap Prince CD sold on a little cardboard display next to 10-packs of Strawberry-Banana Bubalicious and X-treme Spice Dorritos?! Welcome 2 the Dawn?
WTF, Prince? Aren't we past all this? Aren't you comfortable enough in your own reputation and legend to just be able to release a CD in the few record stores left. Or maybe as a download on your cool new site? What's with jumping into the Made in China fray. Let us find you, don't come looking for us. what happened to Prince between Rainbow Children and Musicology? It's as if he had a panic attack that no one would ever love him again. Free CD's at concerts, in newspapers, etc. Relax, dude...if it's good it'll be found. Oh wait! Maybe that's the problem... Let the rain come down | |
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Newsflash: records stores are closing down like Harlem being brought out. [Edited 3/3/09 17:38pm] & | |
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redflag said: ronnwinter said: I agree and disagree. I hate that Prince went this route with the album. He should swallow his pride and get back to a label and have it distrubuted everywhere.
Because we all know how ethical record labels and the RIAA are.  | |
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paisley4me said: It's as if he had a panic attack that no one would ever love him again.
That right there explains his association with both Bria Valente, and Target. It's like he knows its alla pile of shit, so why not flush it down the crapper into china-cheap retail anti-union chain stores.  "It's better with a man." | |
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noah said: paisley4me said: It's as if he had a panic attack that no one would ever love him again.
That right there explains his association with both Bria Valente, and Target. It's like he knows its alla pile of shit, so why not flush it down the crapper into china-cheap retail anti-union chain stores.  & | |
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Trickology said: I think Prince linking up with Target he didn't do his homework on the moral/ethical practices of Target.
All the major retailers will follow the lead of their biggest competition by virtue of their need to stay in business. So Targets wage levels are a moot point as far as I'm concerned. Its national labor regulation that sets the bar so low for labor rights, not the companies taking advantage of it. Criticize the former first and foremost, then go after the company paving the standard. Trying to convince Target to do otherwise would be the equivalent of asking it to slowly be put out of business by a consistent underselling by a company that has way bigger pockets than it does. And another thing that your "facts" omit is just how much Target gives back. As someone who works in the international philanthropy community I can say without hesitation that Target is among the largest charitable givers in the US per profit-margin. They give millions weekly to support local causes throughout the US (whethey be community/civil development, volunteerism, environmental, human services, social services, their grants run the gammot of critical charitable needs in this country). So blanketedly labeling them slave-drivers is kinda silly. Thats like pointing at a single politician in Washington and calling him a pawn to lobbyist... thats kinda assumed. US capitalism has never championed living-wages. This isn't Europe. Your whole argument that Prince should somehow forget the environment we live and operate in doesn't fly. Change it one more time.. | |
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This dude again
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Trickology said: You are also engaging in brushing off unethical practices that are across the board that have not been thorougly discussed or investigated due to the fact that Target is a powerful corporation with a cabal of legal counsel. But I assure you a small business could not partake in actions like this due to the unethical matters. Nothing would prevent anyone from coming out with a story against Target if there was ANY knowing envolvement with illegal practices anywhere in the world. No "cabal of legal counsel" that any corporation could ever muster up can do something like that in this day and age. This isn't the 1950's. The fact is, large corporations like this are forced to take allegations and any potential envolvement with potentially damaging actions or operations very seriously. They have to carefully vet all the subcontractors and vendors they work with, and precisly because it'd be all too easy to break a story with damaging evidence against them. You also present a very blind naive dichotomy between small and big business as though small businesses are by their very nature "ethical" and big ones by nature "unethical". No factual study of business (small to large) would ever in a million years corroborate such a blind dichotomy. A business either has ethical corporate governance engrained in its operations or it doesn't. In this area, size is completely irrelevant. Change it one more time.. | |
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Very interesting discussion. Thanks Trickology.
I guess Prince is trying to reach a broad audience because my first thought was why not distribute the album online? | |
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Vendetta1 said: Very interesting discussion. Thanks Trickology.
I guess Prince is trying to reach a broad audience because my first thought was why not distribute the album online? i think he is, isn't he? | |
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Anxiety said: Vendetta1 said: Very interesting discussion. Thanks Trickology.
I guess Prince is trying to reach a broad audience because my first thought was why not distribute the album online? i think he is, isn't he? | |
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Vendetta1 said: Anxiety said: i think he is, isn't he? i'll be interested to see exactly what versions of this is going to be available how, and from exactly where.
i wish target would release a special edition of the set with pics and lyrics for those of us who don't want printouts from the web site and are willing to shell out a few bucks more for a nice liner notes booklet. but if that's the worst of my complaints, i'm doing pretty good with princey this time around. | |
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I hate to say it but, Prince might be just another fat cat. A brill musician but a fat cat none the less. He's a celeb. He's Hollywood. Why would he honestly care about this? I remember an article written by a roadie who worked for some concerts in Spain during a Prince tour in the 90's, saying that he and others were provided with not the best conditions, like warm running water or even a proper place to sleep at times. If someone remembers what I'm talking about please elaborate and correct me, but it didn't seem like rights were the first thing on his mind for members of his own staff so why would he care about workers rights and slave labor for Target? Here is a more recent example of the point I'm trying to make: He's a Jehovahs Witness. In one article he was asked if he had speacial interest in Obamas election. His answer ended in him comparing his skin color to the reporter and laughing. Cut to him at the Tavis Smiley thing saying "I appreciate righteous leadership-blah, blah, blah." As a P fan I have come to learn that P is A LOT of things. One of those things may be a hypocrite. Listen to the music but if your looking for some... I dunno, something else from the man himself...Expecting something, you will most likely be disappointed. Not sure of all I'm saying. Just rambling but, there you go. [Edited 3/3/09 19:06pm] | |
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Vendetta1 said: Anxiety said: i think he is, isn't he? Yes but a lot of times you have people that want an actual hard copy with the book and artwork which is likely why he chose to also go the Target route. -you ain't funky at all, you just a little ol' prude! |
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