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Printablepaisley4me said: Cheap Prince CD sold on a little cardboard display next to 10-packs of Strawberry-Banana Bubalicious and X-treme Spice Dorritos?! Welcome 2 the Dawn?
WTF, Prince? Aren't we past all this? Aren't you comfortable enough in your own reputation and legend to just be able to release a CD in the few record stores left. Or maybe as a download on your cool new site? What's with jumping into the Made in China fray. Let us find you, don't come looking for us. what happened to Prince between Rainbow Children and Musicology? It's as if he had a panic attack that no one would ever love him again. Free CD's at concerts, in newspapers, etc. Relax, dude...if it's good it'll be found. Oh wait! Maybe that's the problem... Poetry. | |
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lemoncrush said: This thread is so misinformed and sad.
The pro-union jibberish isn't relevant, and certainly doesn't make Target a bad corporation. If you did do your homework, you would see what kind of Philathrophic company Target is. If you spoke to people who worked for Target, you would see what an incredibly diverse and happy workforce they have. They give somewhere around 2-3 million back to the community each WEEK, through different programs. And if you've ever heard of Target House, which provides a comfortable place for seriously ill children and their family to stay during treatments free of charge, then maybe you would stop spewing this nonsense about unethical business practices. Aren't you gonna be late for work? You Targeteer you. | |
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Completely agree with your point of view Trickology. Its a toughie... how do you reach a wider audience without exploiting/using captialist organisations? I always thought the band Manic Street Preachers were hypocrites for being signed to Sony listening to what they sing... but they get a bigger platform on the bigger record label... I guess we all use things in life that have come from a poss dodgy source where no doubt we wouldn't like the ethics going on there... but although it doesn't make it right when I say that... how do we realistically escape it these days???
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GNS said: I'm fairly certain this thread is in the running for best EVER.
I mean, for reals. Good job trickology. Prince has officially sold out.  Damn, there's some funny ass people around here, good job! | |
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Serena said: GNS said: I'm fairly certain this thread is in the running for best EVER.
I mean, for reals. Good job trickology. Prince has officially sold out. Damn, there's some funny ass people around here, good job!Thanks. | |
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Prince should take a break after this. Live his life! A couple of years away from the public eye, away from other peoples music (a virus to originality) and the internet fan sites LOL and come back with the most inspired introspective genious album of his life! You dont know what you got until its gone. | |
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groovy, let's all like build a teepee and love each other, right. | |
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lezama said: gubbins4ever said: 3. "The kind of practices in which Target engages are prevalent across the industry." This point is weak. The prevalence is a practice is unrelated to whether or not such a practice is moral. My point isn't reducible to some issue of the prevalence of any given practice. My question to you is whether those who live in glass houses can throw stones. If you can say without laughing that your livelihood and consumption intersects with no immoral business then go ahead and call someone a heathen. But pointing a finger at someone else when you most certainly dont research every entity you do business with is in my book just a tiny bit hipocritical. [Edited 3/4/09 18:30pm] Whether or not I'm a hypocrite still has no bearing on this argument. My point stands or falls on its own merits. Furthermore, your argument rests on the strange idea that unless one is perfect, one cannot comment upon another's actions. If this logic prevailed then it would stifle all critical dialogue. Nobody here is arguing that they are perfect. But comparing Prince's distribution practices with our daily lives is a flawed approach. Few of us have been in the position of considering distribution of a major album, so you are not comparing like with like. Were I in Prince's position, I would certainly not go through Target. | |
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Sowhat said: I have a few questions for Trickology....
1) Do you own the computer you are online with? If so, where did you buy it from and what kind of business practices do the store/place you bought it from have? 2) What kind of computer is it? Can you guarantee that no slave labor was used in making the computer or any of it's components? Was the Computer and ALL of it's components made with union labor? 3) What about the server we are using right now? Same questions. 4) What about the online service you are using? Same questions. How far do you want to go with this? If you dig deep enough, pretty much any business or product is going to have the same problems. So IMHO unless Target has separate bathrooms for blacks and whites, or breaks labor laws, or pays workers less than minimum wage, etc....something blatant like that, I think $11.99 for 3 CD's is a great deal and a wise decision on Prince's part. Great questions ... What's the term? The ball is in your court Trick ... Peace ... & Stay Funky ...
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"So IMHO unless Target has separate bathrooms for blacks and whites, or breaks labor laws, or pays workers less than minimum wage, etc....something blatant like that, I think $11.99 for 3 CD's is a great deal and a wise decision on Prince's part."
1. Seperate bathrooms: don't be so naive as to think that the place where you shit, or how you shit, or how often you shit is a 'point' here. 2. IF Target doesn't pay more than the minimum wage and/or is an employer who chooses not to pay above the 'living wage' then we are in conflict here BECAUSE Prince has vocalised a distrust of companies like this through the Money Don't Matter Tonight song/video... and his involvement in the Girl 6 project. You see, it's a bit like the 'back-door draft' Anerica has for it's military. There are plenty of people who will sign up for and work for and will appear happy to represent... but it doesn't mean anything. Target pay lower than a living wage, aggresively discourage unions and appaer to have a less than ethical sourcing policy for its goods. This could be a bad move for the, 'slave', Prince. | |
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BoySimon said: "So IMHO unless Target has separate bathrooms for blacks and whites, or breaks labor laws, or pays workers less than minimum wage, etc....something blatant like that, I think $11.99 for 3 CD's is a great deal and a wise decision on Prince's part."
1. Seperate bathrooms: don't be so naive as to think that the place where you shit, or how you shit, or how often you shit is a 'point' here. 2. IF Target doesn't pay more than the minimum wage and/or is an employer who chooses not to pay above the 'living wage' then we are in conflict here BECAUSE Prince has vocalised a distrust of companies like this through the Money Don't Matter Tonight song/video... and his involvement in the Girl 6 project. You see, it's a bit like the 'back-door draft' Anerica has for it's military. There are plenty of people who will sign up for and work for and will appear happy to represent... but it doesn't mean anything. Target pay lower than a living wage, aggresively discourage unions and appaer to have a less than ethical sourcing policy for its goods. This could be a bad move for the, 'slave', Prince. it will not be a bad move for Prince because nobody cares. if you want to talk about what retailers pay their employees that's a whole other issue, but you really think people are going to see a Prince CD and automatically think about labor ethics and wages and employees. give me a break! | |
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BoySimon said: "So IMHO unless Target has separate bathrooms for blacks and whites, or breaks labor laws, or pays workers less than minimum wage, etc....something blatant like that, I think $11.99 for 3 CD's is a great deal and a wise decision on Prince's part."
1. Seperate bathrooms: don't be so naive as to think that the place where you shit, or how you shit, or how often you shit is a 'point' here. It's an analogy.....let me state it another way, unless Target is blatantly or obviously racist..... "Always blessings, never losses......"
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BoySimon said: You see, it's a bit like the 'back-door draft' Anerica has for it's military. There are plenty of people who will sign up for and work for and will appear happy to represent... but it doesn't mean anything. Target pay lower than a living wage, aggresively discourage unions and appaer to have a less than ethical sourcing policy for its goods. This could be a bad move for the, 'slave', Prince.
OK so how should Prince distribute his music? Wal Mart? Best Buy? Traditional Record Stores? Amazon.com? ITunes? Exclusively from his website? Because I can guarantee no matter what, no matter how he could distribute his music, that somehere along the line in the process there is someone not making a so called "living wage" or who is not a union member, etc... . [Edited 3/6/09 7:44am] "Always blessings, never losses......"
Ya te dije....no manches guey!!!!! I'm a guy!!!!
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CarrieMpls said: From http://sites.target.com/s...P04-031696
Corporate Recognition Awards Ethisphere Magazine ranks Target among the World’s Most Ethical Companies – 6/24/2008 BusinessWeek named Target among “Most Innovative Companies” – 4/22/2008 Black Collegian Magazine ranked Target 6th among Top 100 Employers – 3/12/2008 Fortune Magazine ranked Target one of “America’s Most Admired Companies” – 3/3/2008 BusinessWeek ranks Target 20th among top 50 Best Internships – 2008 BusinessWeek lists Target 24th in World’s Most Innovative Companies – 2008 Ethisphere Council names Target one of the World's Most Ethical Companies – 2008 Fortune ranks Target 31st in 500 Largest U.S. Corporations – 2008 Fortune places Target 11th in “America’s Most Admired Companies” – 2008 Fortune magazine names the Target Bullseye the champion in “Company Logo Smackdown,” beating out Apple, Nike, Google, McDonald’s and CBS – 2008 International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) recognized Target for Continued Support and Contributions – 9/1/2007 National Black MBA Association (NBMBAA) Twin Cities Chapter named Target Corporate Partner of the Year – 8/26/2007 Universum Communications listed Target in the Top-10 List of “Ideal Employers” – 8/9/2007 INROADS Corporate Plus Award – 7/19/2007 Chief Executive Magazine named Robert J. Ulrich “CEO of the Year” – 6/7/2007 Federal Bureau of Investigation recognized Target for Community Contributions with “Directors Community Leadership Award” – 6/7/2007 United Way “Operations United Way” earned the “Employee Engagement Award” – 5/17/2007 The Dave Thomas Foundation for Adoption ranked Target among Best Adoption-Friendly Companies – 5/3/2007 DiversityBusiness.com recognized Target – 5/1/2007 Ethisphere Council names Target one of the World's Most Ethical Companies – 2007 INROADS 25 Year Commitment Recognition – 2007 International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) recognized Target for Continued Support and Contributions to IACP – 2007 Metropolitan Economic Development Association Corporation of the Year 2007 National Black MBA Association (NBMBAA) The Silver Torch Award – 2007 Corporate Citizenship Survey ranks Target second – 2006 DiversityBusiness.com "Top 50" Corporations for Supplier Diversity – 2006 Federal Bureau of Investigation “Director’s Community Leadership Award” – 2006 Fortune “Top 100 Employers for Women” list – 2006 INROADS Strategic Growth Award – 2006 International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) recognizes Target for continued support and contributions to the IACP – 2006 Metropolitan Economic Development Association Corporation of the Year – 2006 National Association of Minority Contractors Corporate Partner of the Year – 2006 National Business Group on Health “Best Employer for Healthy Lifestyle” – 2006 National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C) recognizes Target for continued dedication in support of state and local law enforcement and NW3C – 2006 Newsweek names Target the corporate recipient of the “Giving Back Awards” – 2006 U.S. Secret Service “Certificate of Appreciation” from Director W. Ralph Basham for efforts and superior contributions to the law enforcement responsibilities of the Secret Service – 2006 Women Business Development Center Minnesota (A chapter of Women Business Enterprise National Council), Corporate Partner of the Year – 2006 American Red Cross Good Neighbor Award – 2005 Americans for the Arts Corporate Citizenship in the Arts Award – 2005 Barron's magazine survey ranks Target 6th "Most Respected Company" – 2005 DiversityBusiness.com "Top 50" Corporations for Supplier Diversity – 2005 Forbes names Target "Most Charitable Company" – 2005 Keep America Beautiful awards 1st place National Award for Waste Reduction – 2005 National Association for Female Executives (NAFE) "Top 30 Companies for Executive Women" – 2005 “Literacy Campaign Award” for Reach Out and Read, presented by First Lady Laura Bush – 2004 American Red Cross Circle of Humanitarians Award – 2004 King Center "Salute to Greatness" Award, recognizing civic engagement and consistent commitment to community” – 2004 National Committee for Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve Washington State Chapter "Outstanding Employer" award – 2004 Working Mother "100 Best Companies for Working Mothers" – 2004 Forbes names Target "One of the Most Philanthropic Companies" – 2003 Unfortunately, you failed to qualify your statement by mentioning that you are an employee (and not one of the sales floor lackeys) of Target. That hurts the credibility. I bet you could find a number of awards given to Wal-Mart. I wouldn't even be surprised in Enron received a laundry list of awards before their demise. It should also be mentioned that most of those awards were given for things having nothing to do with treatment of low-level employees, which is what this is all about. You can throw all of these awards around, but it does not change the fact that most floor employees of Target don't make much money. I worked at a Target for a short period of time. It was not a horrible experience, but I didn't get paid squat. When it came time for my raise, I was awarded an extra 18 cents per hour. I t is very possible that I worked with the person who wrote the report on which this thread is based. There was a college professor (who specializes in ethics) at my Target who was in between gigs. He told me he was planning on writing a book about target. I abdicated the throne in Ithaca, but now I am...
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Darwintheorgangrinder said: Unfortunately, you failed to qualify your statement by mentioning that you are an employee (and not one of the sales floor lackeys) of Target. That hurts the credibility. I bet you could find a number of awards given to Wal-Mart. I wouldn't even be surprised in Enron received a laundry list of awards before their demise. It should also be mentioned that most of those awards were given for things having nothing to do with treatment of low-level employees, which is what this is all about. You can throw all of these awards around, but it does not change the fact that most floor employees of Target don't make much money. I worked at a Target for a short period of time. It was not a horrible experience, but I didn't get paid squat. When it came time for my raise, I was awarded an extra 18 cents per hour. I t is very possible that I worked with the person who wrote the report on which this thread is based. There was a college professor (who specializes in ethics) at my Target who was in between gigs. He told me he was planning on writing a book about target. Actually, I listed them as they are awards given to Target by independent entities, so it’s not someone from within the company just saying “wow, we’re great!” That adds to the credibility, not takes away from it. Not to mention these are awards that come from well-known organizations like the United Way, the American Red Cross, Forbes and Newsweek as well as organizations like The National Black MBA Association and the National Association of Minority contractors. I was simply pointing out that Target has been recognized by numerous organizations for business ethics, not to mention it is widely recognized for philanthropy. That is not to say that there isn’t room for improvement. I have not explored whether or not store employees make a livable wage. Only to say that if you’re going to attack a corporation for unethical practices, Target is an odd target. |
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Sowhat said: I have a few questions for Trickology....
1) Do you own the computer you are online with? If so, where did you buy it from and what kind of business practices do the store/place you bought it from have? 2) What kind of computer is it? Can you guarantee that no slave labor was used in making the computer or any of it's components? Was the Computer and ALL of it's components made with union labor? 3) What about the server we are using right now? Same questions. 4) What about the online service you are using? Same questions. How far do you want to go with this? If you dig deep enough, pretty much any business or product is going to have the same problems. So IMHO unless Target has separate bathrooms for blacks and whites, or breaks labor laws, or pays workers less than minimum wage, etc....something blatant like that, I think $11.99 for 3 CD's is a great deal and a wise decision on Prince's part.  Brilliant post! Sowhat 4, Trickology 0.https://www.youtube.com/@PurpleKnightsPodcast | |
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