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Reply #360 posted 01/03/09 3:26pm

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I think Lotus Flower will see the light of day, but I will believe it when I see it about the other two. That said, I really hope Bria's CD is not Tamar 2.0 . I'm just sayin'...
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Reply #361 posted 01/03/09 3:35pm

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asg said:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_blog/2008/12/visiting-with-p.html

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He's ready to revive the Quiet Storm. "We got sick of waiting for Sade to make a new album," he said, introducing Valente's new album, "Elixir."


Bwahahahaha! Sweet Jebus, he really doesn't have a clue. He thinks he can take on the classic Sade albums? He can't even produce anything that's as good as the protégé albums from the 1980s.

Oh, and FYI: Sade did have a comeback a couple of years ago. The fact that he doesn't remember this, speaks volumes about how successful this "project" is going to be.

Three new albums this year? Yeah sure. How's that Tamar album working out, hm? Remember when that was gonna be da bomb?


Sade hasn't put out a new album in seven years. She is notorious for being "studio-shy." It is also funny to hear people refer to "classic Sade" when she has also operated outside of the contemporary rock journalism circles her whole career. She was criticized for making "elevator" music. I just think her voice is so unique that Bria shouldn't be held to that standard by P or anyone. Tamar had more going for her than Carmen Electra, Appolonia or many other proteges.

And by the way, P's tribute to Sade (fundraiser for Katrina) was a brilliant song.
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Reply #362 posted 01/03/09 4:34pm

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jdcxc said:

BartVanHemelen said:



Bwahahahaha! Sweet Jebus, he really doesn't have a clue. He thinks he can take on the classic Sade albums? He can't even produce anything that's as good as the protégé albums from the 1980s.

Oh, and FYI: Sade did have a comeback a couple of years ago. The fact that he doesn't remember this, speaks volumes about how successful this "project" is going to be.

Three new albums this year? Yeah sure. How's that Tamar album working out, hm? Remember when that was gonna be da bomb?


Sade hasn't put out a new album in seven years. She is notorious for being "studio-shy." It is also funny to hear people refer to "classic Sade" when she has also operated outside of the contemporary rock journalism circles her whole career. She was criticized for making "elevator" music. I just think her voice is so unique that Bria shouldn't be held to that standard by P or anyone. Tamar had more going for her than Carmen Electra, Appolonia or many other proteges.

And by the way, P's tribute to Sade (fundraiser for Katrina) was a brilliant song.


Which song did Prince do in tribute to Sade(fundraiser for Katrina)?
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Reply #363 posted 01/03/09 4:50pm

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I think he's talking about SST, which I wouldn't call brilliant. It was a decent song.
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Reply #364 posted 01/03/09 5:30pm

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I think he's talking about SST, which I wouldn't call brilliant. It was a decent song.

I have to agree with you on that one.
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Reply #365 posted 01/03/09 10:31pm

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PurpleKnight said:

murph said:




Now that's the Grade A hate that I'm talking about!!!!...

lol


Ugh. Some Prince fans are so insipid that I feel embarrassed to love the guy's music so much.

His post contained constructive criticism of Prince's new music. Nowhere did he write anything the least bit hateful about Prince himself.

Anyone remember EvilWhiteMale? Now that guy wrote some hateful stuff. Likewise, Bart has said some ridiculous things. I've seen nothing but intelligent posts from Wall thus far. Just because his thoughts on Prince's new music don't adhere to the mass consensus of the fams doesn't mean he's a "hater."

I think some Prince fams need to make peace with the fact that the vast majority of people, aside from those working at Rolling Stone, don't think highly of Prince's new work. Why else do you think he has to perform a setlist of strictly 80's material to sell out those arenas? No one wants to hear him perform classics like Turn Me Loose and Musicology.


Oh please, whatever material he releases post-Purple Rain, will never be Purple Rain to some fickle American audiences. At his creative peak (Parade/SOTT/Lovesexy) he was losing his pop audience. The Lovesexy Tour failed to sellout in several cities. The SOTT album was a commercial disappointment. There is no translation between quality of material, audience expectations and the sell out of arenas.
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Reply #366 posted 01/03/09 10:49pm

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jdcxc said:

PurpleKnight said:



Ugh. Some Prince fans are so insipid that I feel embarrassed to love the guy's music so much.

His post contained constructive criticism of Prince's new music. Nowhere did he write anything the least bit hateful about Prince himself.

Anyone remember EvilWhiteMale? Now that guy wrote some hateful stuff. Likewise, Bart has said some ridiculous things. I've seen nothing but intelligent posts from Wall thus far. Just because his thoughts on Prince's new music don't adhere to the mass consensus of the fams doesn't mean he's a "hater."

I think some Prince fams need to make peace with the fact that the vast majority of people, aside from those working at Rolling Stone, don't think highly of Prince's new work. Why else do you think he has to perform a setlist of strictly 80's material to sell out those arenas? No one wants to hear him perform classics like Turn Me Loose and Musicology.


Oh please, whatever material he releases post-Purple Rain, will never be Purple Rain to some fickle American audiences. At his creative peak (Parade/SOTT/Lovesexy) he was losing his pop audience. The Lovesexy Tour failed to sellout in several cities. The SOTT album was a commercial disappointment. There is no translation between quality of material, audience expectations and the sell out of arenas.


confuse Says who? SOTT, U Got The Look, Hot Thing, and ICNTTPOYM did well on the charts. Not to mention it had an Album of the Year nomination at the Grammy Awards.

Besides, according to RIAA, the album and video went platinum.
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Reply #367 posted 01/03/09 11:53pm

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jdcxc said:



Oh please, whatever material he releases post-Purple Rain, will never be Purple Rain to some fickle American audiences. At his creative peak (Parade/SOTT/Lovesexy) he was losing his pop audience. The Lovesexy Tour failed to sellout in several cities. The SOTT album was a commercial disappointment. There is no translation between quality of material, audience expectations and the sell out of arenas.


confuse Says who? SOTT, U Got The Look, Hot Thing, and ICNTTPOYM did well on the charts. Not to mention it had an Album of the Year nomination at the Grammy Awards.

Besides, according to RIAA, the album and video went platinum.


It did ok, but compare the million sold with the 15 million copies of PR sold just three years prior. SOTT continued an unwarranted trend of further declining album sales that began with Around the World in a Day. Great albums and songs don't necessarily translate into album or ticket sales.
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Reply #368 posted 01/04/09 12:01am

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jdcxc said:

daPrettyman said:



confuse Says who? SOTT, U Got The Look, Hot Thing, and ICNTTPOYM did well on the charts. Not to mention it had an Album of the Year nomination at the Grammy Awards.

Besides, according to RIAA, the album and video went platinum.


It did ok, but compare the million sold with the 15 million copies of PR sold just three years prior. SOTT continued an unwarranted trend of further declining album sales that began with Around the World in a Day. Great albums and songs don't necessarily translate into album or ticket sales.

I agree with both of your posts jdcxc cause it's true. Prince never had the same kind of commercial success after Purple Rain and the music, arguably, got better. Like what you said, quality means nothing when it comes to sales, or else Britney Spears's career wouldn't be half as long as it's been.
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Reply #369 posted 01/04/09 12:35am

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jdcxc said:

daPrettyman said:



confuse Says who? SOTT, U Got The Look, Hot Thing, and ICNTTPOYM did well on the charts. Not to mention it had an Album of the Year nomination at the Grammy Awards.

Besides, according to RIAA, the album and video went platinum.


It did ok, but compare the million sold with the 15 million copies of PR sold just three years prior. SOTT continued an unwarranted trend of further declining album sales that began with Around the World in a Day. Great albums and songs don't necessarily translate into album or ticket sales.

This is true.
Prince was being pressured by Warners to release an album that could rival MJ's Badd, I believe.
I think it's brilliant Prince responded with LoveSexy lol

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Reply #370 posted 01/04/09 12:38am

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jdcxc said:

daPrettyman said:



confuse Says who? SOTT, U Got The Look, Hot Thing, and ICNTTPOYM did well on the charts. Not to mention it had an Album of the Year nomination at the Grammy Awards.

Besides, according to RIAA, the album and video went platinum.


It did ok, but compare the million sold with the 15 million copies of PR sold just three years prior. SOTT continued an unwarranted trend of further declining album sales that began with Around the World in a Day. Great albums and songs don't necessarily translate into album or ticket sales.

I get ur point, but u can't compare PR to any other P album (in terms of sales). That album was a once in a lifetime adventure. It's like MJ and Thriller, The Eagles with Hotel California, Bruce and Born in the USA, etc. it's not possible. The masses are always going to associate an artist with their biggest projects.

With that said, I don't think P wants to get record sales anymore. He is more concerned about how he can clear so many millions of dollars once an album is released. That way he won't be stuck like he was with Crystal Ball...with 20,000 copies in storage. Notice how he did with PE, he got his money up fron from the paper in the UK. He then ignored the promotion in the states and didn't reach gold status.

If he has a deal with a retailer here in the states (be it Walmart, Best Buy, etc.). They will pay him up front (for the licensing and cds themselves) and will be stuck with the copies after the project is over. Can u imagine walking into Best Buy 2 years from now and seeing 25 to 50 copies of Bria's cd in the store?

I pray this project does well. I will do whatever I can as a fan to help promote it. I'm willing to write or call radio stations, put it on my facebook and myspace, send email blasts, whatever. I pray that this project is BIG and he has a tour to back it up.
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Reply #371 posted 01/04/09 12:42am

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Imago said:

jdcxc said:



It did ok, but compare the million sold with the 15 million copies of PR sold just three years prior. SOTT continued an unwarranted trend of further declining album sales that began with Around the World in a Day. Great albums and songs don't necessarily translate into album or ticket sales.

This is true.
Prince was being pressured by Warners to release an album that could rival MJ's Badd, I believe.
I think it's brilliant Prince responded with LoveSexy lol

worship

I don't think he was "pressured" to release an album to rival Bad. Remember, P had been working on the Crystal Ball project. Then was asked to sing on "Bad", but refused. He then was forced to dwindle CB down to SOTT. After SOTT, The Black album was going to be released, then he got "saved" and wrote and recorded Lovesexy. I remember 1987 was supposed to be the year P release 2 albums (black album and sott), but we had to wait on Lovesexy.
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Reply #372 posted 01/04/09 3:46am

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yeah.... where is MJ now?
We are all so full of doody here
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Reply #373 posted 01/04/09 7:21am

jdcxc

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Here is how I'd rate the songs he's shown us so far (all ratings out of five stars):

Colonized Mind star star star

Wall of Berlin star star star

4Ever star star

Crimson & Clover star star star 1/2

There Will Never B Another 1 Like Me star 1/2



I generally agree with your ratings but I do think a lot of this material, like Guitar, has great potential in concert.
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Reply #374 posted 01/04/09 7:56am

Anxiety

eaglebear4839 said:

I think Lotus Flower will see the light of day, but I will believe it when I see it about the other two. That said, I really hope Bria's CD is not Tamar 2.0 . I'm just sayin'...


actually, i didn't mind the tamar material i heard...though of course it would have been nice if an official CD would have at least hit the shelves.
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Reply #375 posted 01/04/09 9:31am

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jdcxc said:

PurpleKnight said:

Here is how I'd rate the songs he's shown us so far (all ratings out of five stars):

Colonized Mind star star star

Wall of Berlin star star star

4Ever star star

Crimson & Clover star star star 1/2

There Will Never B Another 1 Like Me star 1/2



I generally agree with your ratings but I do think a lot of this material, like Guitar, has great potential in concert.


I was just thinking about that. Live versions of Crimson and Clover and Colonized Mind are gonna be crazy.
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Reply #376 posted 01/04/09 10:13am

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If MJ really releases something as well, the year 2009 will be finally something to look something to look forward to. Can´t wait for any of those releases.
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Reply #377 posted 01/04/09 10:24am

jdcxc

dag said:

If MJ really releases something as well, the year 2009 will be finally something to look something to look forward to. Can´t wait for any of those releases.


Wow, talk about a dedicated fanbase. It's been 20 years since anything close to a decent MJ release. Has there ever been any talk of him working with Quincy again? Why not?
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Reply #378 posted 01/04/09 10:42am

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is Bria/Valente the 3rd song on the lotusflow3r.com site?
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Reply #379 posted 01/04/09 11:49am

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is Bria/Valente the 3rd song on the lotusflow3r.com site?

Yes it is. nod It's called "Here Eye Come"
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Reply #380 posted 01/04/09 12:16pm

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yes,yes yall.. the new music stays in rotation, I'm looking forward 2 the shows..
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Reply #381 posted 01/04/09 12:41pm

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If he has a deal with a retailer here in the states (be it Walmart, Best Buy, etc.). They will pay him up front (for the licensing and cds themselves) and will be stuck with the copies after the project is over. Can u imagine walking into Best Buy 2 years from now and seeing 25 to 50 copies of Bria's cd in the store?



sure. just like we saw with The Rainbow Children and NEWS and the U Make My Sun Shine cd single. at Best Buy. and Sam Goody was selling stacks of Crystal Ball for $5 each by the end.
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Reply #382 posted 01/04/09 1:50pm

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errant said:

daPrettyman said:


If he has a deal with a retailer here in the states (be it Walmart, Best Buy, etc.). They will pay him up front (for the licensing and cds themselves) and will be stuck with the copies after the project is over. Can u imagine walking into Best Buy 2 years from now and seeing 25 to 50 copies of Bria's cd in the store?



sure. just like we saw with The Rainbow Children and NEWS and the U Make My Sun Shine cd single. at Best Buy. and Sam Goody was selling stacks of Crystal Ball for $5 each by the end.


Maybe it's a dumb question, but being European is an excuse, I think, because I don't know much about the american market and all that stuff lol

So, how would we be able to buy the CDs then? No Best Buy, no Sam Goody, no Walmart here in Austria!
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Reply #383 posted 01/04/09 3:36pm

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I'm surprised Prince couldn't get Sade to work on an album (or at least a couple trax) with him. I suppose there's always hope.

I imagine Valente might have a great vox/sound, but nothing compares to Sade. Nothing.
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Reply #384 posted 01/04/09 4:01pm

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appleseed said:

I'm surprised Prince couldn't get Sade to work on an album (or at least a couple trax) with him. I suppose there's always hope.


Nah, not Sade. I'm not surprised she hasn't worked with any other popular artists. Looking at her history, besides band-mates (and recurring backing vocals/duet partner Leroy Osbourne), Sade is very individualistic regarding her music. I admire that about her. Working with Prince might be cool (and I'd actually would like to see that), but I highly doubt she'd ever do it.
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Reply #385 posted 01/04/09 4:20pm

PurpleCharm

Sade's last album was released in the year 2000.

So it will be a decade since her last release if she doesn't come out with an album this year. sad
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Reply #386 posted 01/04/09 4:22pm

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I imagine Valente might have a great vox/sound, but nothing compares to Sade. Nothing.



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Reply #387 posted 01/04/09 4:43pm

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Sade's last album was released in the year 2000.

So it will be a decade since her last release if she doesn't come out with an album this year. sad



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Reply #388 posted 01/05/09 7:22am

Anxiety

for anyone interested, here's music blog steregum's take on the LA times prince article:

http://stereogum.com/arch....html#more
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Reply #389 posted 01/05/09 7:25am

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Anxiety said:

for anyone interested, here's music blog steregum's take on the LA times prince article:

http://stereogum.com/arch....html#more


Thanks!
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