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vainandy said:

Here is what I am saying- You, Vainandy, come out and articulate your points about why you don't like Prince as much since '85. EWM very much uses that "America, love it or leave it mentality" when trying to convey his point. He'll say something like "prince sucks and has since '95 if you want to listen to crappy Disney type shit that he is doing then I guess you are the stupid one." So it is totally bashing.

I asked EWM to engage in discusion about what he thinks is "quality music" these days because he was ranting about how Prince "no longer made quality music". He still hasn't replied. It leads me to think he just likes to bait people into getting angry. It's called being a troll.

Anyways- In the last 2 years Prince's albums have been Grammy Nominated albums. "Musicology" is the most critically acclaimed album he's had in a long time. Since the late 80's at least. If you were a Prince fan and didn't have any fun in 2004 then then it seems you have other issues BOTHERING YOU.
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vainandy said:

Fair enough and I and others have a right to question his motives for continuing to frequent a site of an artist that he feels no longer lives up to his expectations musically and personally. There are plenty of people who don't like Prince's current output that have decided that it's not worth their time to participate in boards such as this one. Therefore they have stopped frequenting said artists sites.

From what I have seen from numerous threads, is that when Evil White Male makes his very first post, and yes, sometimes it's a bold one, a lot of people will immediately dismiss him and write him off simply because he's Evil White Male. As threads progress, people will provoke and attack him on a personal level so when he responds in retaliation, his posts get bolder and bolder out of anger. I would respond the same way if I were being personally attacked rather than just having a disagreement with someone.

As for me, I had plenty of fun in 2004. "Musicology" was an OK album that could have been better, just the same as all the others have been since 1985, I have heard worse Prince albums though. I went to the concert, which had it's good and bad moments, but I still had a tremendously good time. I have no issues, I only have preferences, and as you very well know, I'm not afraid to stand by them.

skywalker said:

Ifsixwuz9 said:

I never called people sheep just for liking these albums. If I called anyone a sheep, it was because they never have anything bad to say about Prince, they flood the forum with praise upon praise, and they attack anyone who posts a negative comment about Prince. Those are obsessive fucks who deserve to be called sheep, at the very least.

vainandy said:

skywalker said:

"Riiiiight. And now suddenly it matters what critics say. That's very funny. Back when they were bashing Prince, you probably said they were all nuts."


You are the one who used to use critics and sales in order to justify your views that Prince has lost it. Suddenly, he has a hot selling album, the biggest tour of the year, and critical acclaim and you casually dismiss it.

Example:

You went on and on about how you knew the "Musicology" tour would flop and you were completely wrong. No matter how much you thought it was lukewarm or whatever-you were proved wrong. Now you try to point out that "it was just clever marketing" or "inflated sales." Face it. Prince had a brilliant year in 2004 and you don't wanna see it. You were wrong about him.

Your old mantra was something like this : Prince sucks and has since 1995. You can tell because of his dwindling sales, and the fact that the critics pan his albums.

Now your mantra is more: Prince sucks he just had good marketing.



Yeah Yeah you see yourself as Scarface of this website- the bad guy. Is that what you want, to be seen as the Scarface of this website? Congratulations you are the Scarface of prince.org whoo fuckin' hooo.

It's not that I'm predjudiced against you or think you are "the bad guy". I think you are the guy who claims hates Prince nowadays, but continuously forks over his money to see Prince.

"Why don't you try stickin' jou head up jour ass – see if it fits?" ----Al Pacino (Scarface)
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skywalker said:

EvilWhiteMale said:

There's something pathetic about aging musicians trying to remain "hard hitting" and "aggressive" over 25 years or more. Even younger acts trying to be hard hitting in rock come off as poseurs. Is that what you want Prince to be -- a poseur? Pretending he's still that person who can reinvent pop with each record? He's better off making music that matters to him. That's how he'll make a truly great record again -- not trying to match the latest so-called "ballsy" music.
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EvilWhiteMale said:

Thank you laura for speaking the truth. Prince isn't done yet. We just have to see what he has in store for us.

Aerogram said:

I don't care what he does as long as the music sounds good.

purplecam said:

I've seen comments like these for years and I'm sure they'll continue throughout the rest of Prince's career.

EvilWhiteMale said:

I guess I got a point, then. And frankly it sounds like you are, secretly, still waiting.

purplecam said:

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Thanks!! I just think P is a great a artist and showman and he should get credit for that.

Aerogram said:

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This is so true. P would make such a fool out himself he started going backwards and trying to act like he is 20 years old. He need to make music that matters to him. It is so obvious when someone is just going thru the motions. You did not see any of that on this tour.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Agreed. That's all I'm saying.

laurarichardson said:

But Musicology the album did kinda feel like Prince going through the motions.

Still, I'm not too worried about that since he himself said it's an album that's meant "to accompany the concert".

So maybe his next album will be truly indicative of where he's at creatively.

Still, SNOOZE definitely worried about me his creativity....

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I don't know what concert you saw but, I did not see a guy up on stage going thru the motions. I saw a guy kicking ass and finding a way to do that was fun and entertaining. I can't believe people want to see a 46 year old millionaire potting and being pissed off and singing about maturbating. He is moving on and it is to bad some of his fans can't.

laurarichardson said:

You completely misunderstood me. I said Musicology the album felt like Prince going through the motions.

There's no ambition anywhere.

The Musicology tour? Definitely not P going through the motions there. But I never said that. I'm talking about the album.

Prince's last album that sounded really ambitious and inspired but TRC, but it's way too uneven and flawed.

Aerogram said:

I'm not holding my breath, but there is a speck of hope, only cuz I know how out of his mind he is.

laurarichardson said:

So what, we're all assholes if we don't like his new music? We're just pissed cuz he switched gears in a direction that we don't like. It sucks to be into someone for so many years and then they start doing shitty music and playing shitty shows. And songs don't have to be about masturbation for us to like them. Most of his songs are NOT about masturbation.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Okay, now you're just being a little unreasonable. What about his shows are "shitty" today? What do you expect a 46 year old coming off an ankle injury from a few years ago to do exactly? Jump off pianos and do the splits? He's still amazing on the guitar and a fantastic showman, so what more can he do to please you live? I honestly don't get your problem with his live show.

PurpleKnight said:

I'm not saying all shows because I really enjoyed the RRHOF after show, even though it ended poorly. But as far as the main tour goes, I just felt it was a bit dry. I don't expect him to jump off of pianos anymore, but he just didn't have the spark. He changed his lyrics to be more PG, the band is garbage, and he runined many songs by adding horns and other crap. It just seemed very artificial and watered down.

But I must admit, his performance of Bambi got an A+ from me. That alone made the trip worth it. So it's not that I'm hating on everything. I just know what I like.

EvilWhiteMale said:

This is a truly fucked up thing to say, Evil. For real.

Not sure if it's true or false...the jury is still out.