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sometimes i wish P was a member here on the org so then we can justify such threads as this as a thread meant to egg him on to hit us with his best shot...i know he will... im not saying that the lot of yall sayin "true" are losing faith in Prince cuz hell, you're still here... we're still here -- but whatev... 
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False. I think that if he wanted to, he could our minds with another great movie. He not only has the capability, but he's got the fantastic talent. My kitty wants to play... | |
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It kills me to say this about my idol, but I say True.
It's not cause I doubt he still has the talent, but cause I don't think he has the ambition anymore. Prince seems so content with his legacy now (and deservedly so!), and he really doesn't seem to feel he has anything to prove now. Also, there's the fact that at 46, he's already done almost everything musically worthwhile that there is to do (I mean fuck, he's even made acoustic and piano albums). Obviously a great album is subjective, but I don't see him blowing me away ever again, and I'm not even that hard to please. It's not so much the "sound" of albums like Purple Rain, Dirty Mind or SOTT that I truly miss; it's the creative bravery, inspired songwriting, and urgency. IMO His last album that came close to being great was Rainbow Children, but it was way too uneven. [Edited 1/8/05 17:22pm] The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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Numerous idiots, a few seekers and even less open books. Shame. Clouded, dismal minds, we are dealing here with an 'artist', however you define this terminology. Forget Wonder, Stone and Hendrix in your comparative perceptions - Picasso is maybe the only precident we can equate in the modern era to Prince Nelson. Fuck you, it's true.  | |
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EmancipationLover said: FALSE!!!
Sorry folks if I sound a little bit angry but I'm a little tired of all this "Prince doesn't have it anymore"-"the 90's were bad" stuff. I just can't stand it anymore. Sorry, but if you get sick of Prince these days, go and open up usher.org or britney.org or (even better) ashlee.org and discuss their "great musicianship" and "excellent albums" there   I mean, I will not defend anything the little man has ever made or released, but TRC and Musicology (and even most parts of Rave) were excellent and GREAT. O.k., they might be different from what some people want or expect from him, but that's Prince, always doing the unexpected, always proceeding, hating to repeat himself (isn't that an aspect of him most of us love???). So, if you are just into Prince because of albums he made back in the days when Ronald Reagan was U.S. president and a C64 was cutting edge in computer technology, maybe you should open a museum (maybe the "Purple Rain museum"), but I really can't understand why people spend their time posting in internet forums just to complain how great P's past was and how boring he is nowadays.
And, btw, I really get tired of all this "Larry G bad boy" stuff, do you really think that a man so innovative and polarizing as Prince is not able to develop his own opinion, but just does things another person tells him? I mean, I'm not a JW, but we should respect P's decision and stop making stupid jokes about it. Again, sorry guys for so much angriness, but I feel better now  I agree 100%. Thank goodness P doesn't listen to the whining drivel of fan's expectations. He goes where his spirit takes him. If there are some who don't understand or appreciate where he is at any given time with his music....tough. Personally, after 25 plus years I've learned to let go of my expectations and simply trust him as the captain of this ship. Sometimes he takes us places that are exotic and thrilling.....sometimes quiet and soothing.....sometimes fun and silly.....sometimes heart wrenching and scary. What an awesome journey this has been! If people could just release their expectations, relax and FLOW with him I think they'd get a lot more enjoyment from his later work. I happen to LOVE Emancipation, Rave, etc. Wherever he's going next my bags are packed and I'm ready to go! I wouldn't have him any other way than the way he is right NOW. It ain't ova! Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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There's nothing more annoying than Prince fans who think he's incapable of making bad albums, and that ppl who think otherwise about past albums like NEWS or NPS simply "didn't get it". The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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Prince could have a great album again.....if he pulls something before 1984 out of the vault. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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PurpleKnight said: It kills me to say this about my idol, but I say True.
It's not cause I doubt he still has the talent, but cause I don't think he has the ambition anymore. Prince seems so content with his legacy now (and deservedly so!), and he really doesn't seem to feel he has anything to prove now. Also, there's the fact that at 46, he's already done almost everything musically worthwhile that there is to do (I mean fuck, he's even made acoustic and piano albums). Obviously a great album is subjective, but I don't see him blowing me away ever again, and I'm not even that hard to please. It's not so much the "sound" of albums like Purple Rain, Dirty Mind or SOTT that I truly miss; it's the creative bravery, inspired songwriting, and urgency. IMO His last album that came close to being great was Rainbow Children, but it was way too uneven. [Edited 1/8/05 17:22pm] 
I agree with you. He doesn't have the fire in the belly anymore. He's already won every award, pushed all the envelopes... He recently said that there is no shock value left to be had, that taking a more restrained approach is the new "shocking".... Problem is, restrained can be boring, especially to rabid fans like ourselves. And, hate to say it, things are only going to go downhill for us once he starts having kids. My feeling is that he will continue to be as prolific as ever -- that is just like breathing for him. It will be the music of a satisfied husband and dad, rather than a bad-ass performer on a mission. I'm sure we'll find a song here or there that we can groove to, but I'm not optimistic that we'll see great albums. I hope I'm wrong. 
No matter... we'll all be with him until dusk. Come here, babe.. yeah... | |
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FALSE...AND TRUE.
OF COURSE HE HAS IT IN HIM 2 MAKE ANOTHER TRULY GREAT ALBUM...BUT I DON'T KNOW IF HE WILL. IT'S FRUSTRATING. IT'S LIKE WHEN MICHAEL JORDAN FIRST RETIRED FROM BASKETBALL 2 PLAY BASEBALL. HE WAS FOLLOWING HIS HEART AND TRYING 2 KEEP HIS COMPETITIVE FIRES BURNING...BUT IT HURT 2 WATCH HIM STRIKE OUT TIME AFTER TIME KNOWING THAT HE WAS IN HIS PRIME 4 PLAYING BASKETBALL AND THE WORLD WAS MISSING OUT. NOT THAT PRINCE IS STRIKING OUT...BUT IT'S THE BOTTOM OF THE 9TH, BASES LOADED, AND A FULL COUNT... | |
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skywalker said: False- Musicology is a GREAT album. Many Prince fans are so twisted that they cannot appreciate what they have. The man just had the best year in his career since 1984 and people are still bitching.
It's like all the "Star Wars" fans who begged for 20 years for new "Star Wars" movies. George Lucas gives them some (That were monster smash hits) and a section of the fans bitch and moan Lucas has "lost it". That's because he fucked those movies up just like Prince fucked up his music. It's a good comparison too: George Lucas re-releases his originals and makes them worse by adding all kinds of unneccesary CGI, Prince takes out "naughty words" from his old songs. George Lucas makes a comeback with new shitty Star Wars films, Prince comes out with new shitty music. George Lucas adds more fun for the kids with horrible characters like Jar Jar, Prince makes his shows and music family friendly. These two guys must hang out together or something. They sure do know how to take the slide through the downward spiral. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: skywalker said: False- Musicology is a GREAT album. Many Prince fans are so twisted that they cannot appreciate what they have. The man just had the best year in his career since 1984 and people are still bitching.
It's like all the "Star Wars" fans who begged for 20 years for new "Star Wars" movies. George Lucas gives them some (That were monster smash hits) and a section of the fans bitch and moan Lucas has "lost it". That's because he fucked those movies up just like Prince fucked up his music. It's a good comparison too: George Lucas re-releases his originals and makes them worse by adding all kinds of unneccesary CGI, Prince takes out "naughty words" from his old songs. George Lucas makes a comeback with new shitty Star Wars films, Prince comes out with new shitty music. George Lucas adds more fun for the kids with horrible characters like Jar Jar, Prince makes his shows and music family friendly. These two guys must hang out together or something. They sure do know how to take the slide through the downward spiral. I don't think it's fair to say prince has fucked up as much as Lucas, but he hasn't made anything quite as good as in the 80s. The difference is that Prince has at least made decent stuff and hasn't completely sold out. | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: skywalker said: False- Musicology is a GREAT album. Many Prince fans are so twisted that they cannot appreciate what they have. The man just had the best year in his career since 1984 and people are still bitching.
It's like all the "Star Wars" fans who begged for 20 years for new "Star Wars" movies. George Lucas gives them some (That were monster smash hits) and a section of the fans bitch and moan Lucas has "lost it". That's because he fucked those movies up just like Prince fucked up his music. It's a good comparison too: George Lucas re-releases his originals and makes them worse by adding all kinds of unneccesary CGI, Prince takes out "naughty words" from his old songs. George Lucas makes a comeback with new shitty Star Wars films, Prince comes out with new shitty music. George Lucas adds more fun for the kids with horrible characters like Jar Jar, Prince makes his shows and music family friendly. These two guys must hang out together or something. They sure do know how to take the slide through the downward spiral. Lucas is also using his own money, his own studio, and his own everything--nobody tells him when it's aweful. Prince is in pretty much the same boat. These fuckers don't have qualilty control. Ofcourse, with all this freedom, it actually should lead to awesome things, but in the case of both of them, they've somehow lost their muse or ascended to such levels that they no longer feel the fire. sad, really--I think there's hope for Prince. Lucas had his shot. | |
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superspaceboy said: ??? When did he switch gears and lost you? Diamonds and pearls? I think that if someone could not get past that (I actually think that was when things seriously changed) everything after would be really hard to swallow. He lost all his purpleness about him. And by the time he actually started getting a little of it back...the sound had morphed into something completely else.
To be honest, I had a really hard time following after Batman, I really didn't dig the music that much. I think I grabbed onto a couple...like Melt with you and Loose. I was getting into techno and these hit those spots...sorta. It was when someone hit me over the head with the "genius pan" and I not only revisited his older material, but explored his newer stuff I hadn't paid attention too. (Being around 3 Prince geeks at the same time can influence how one hears him). I found him to still be a genius albeit an very angry one at this time. But his sound had changed. ANd I found that I did like some of it. I was "getting" it. And I went from there. I do find his output during the 90's not really to be my favorite era...though I like Come. I do feel his return to "form" was a little after the CB and the War...when he did Rave. Though SO much time had passed, it just didn't sound the same. TRC I think is proabably his best musically...in recent times. It was very fresh and inspiring. Too bad the lyrics took away from most of it. Really, the only way you will like his music, is if you do the adjusting. I am a born-again Prince fan. I actually became a fan when Batman came out. Then I collected the old stuff and became a huge fan. Unfortunately, I began getting into him when his music started to get worse, so I never got too see him when he was on top of his game. I must say though that I love a lot of his songs throughout the 90's, but there's not one solidly awesome album in that whole decade. I always found myself hitting the skip button way too many times. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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AsianBomb777 said: EvilWhiteMale said: I celebrate everything released between 2001 and 2003, especially The RainBow Children.
C'mon don't play stupid games. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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jacktheimprovident said: I don't think it's fair to say prince has fucked up as much as Lucas, but he hasn't made anything quite as good as in the 80s. The difference is that Prince has at least made decent stuff and hasn't completely sold out. He sold out to Larry Graham's way of life. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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AsianBoi777 said: Lucas is also using his own money, his own studio, and his own everything--nobody tells him when it's aweful. Prince is in pretty much the same boat. These fuckers don't have qualilty control. Ofcourse, with all this freedom, it actually should lead to awesome things, but in the case of both of them, they've somehow lost their muse or ascended to such levels that they no longer feel the fire. sad, really--I think there's hope for Prince. Lucas had his shot. The problem is that they're not hungry anymore. They're comfortable so everything is sunshine and lollipops now. Give Prince pain and misery and then maybe we'll see some action. I think we need to get Larry G. to fuck Prince's wife and have him walk in on them. That could get the ball rolling. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: jacktheimprovident said: I don't think it's fair to say prince has fucked up as much as Lucas, but he hasn't made anything quite as good as in the 80s. The difference is that Prince has at least made decent stuff and hasn't completely sold out. He sold out to Larry Graham's way of life. i can actually partially agree with that but im still sticking 2 my guns with my initial post | |
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SammiJ said: EvilWhiteMale said: He sold out to Larry Graham's way of life. i can actually partially agree with that but im still sticking 2 my guns with my initial post I think I'm somwhere in the middle on this one. Prince has F@CKED up pretty bad, but I don't think it's becuase of his new found religious zeal. We can't expect him to be sexually provacative forever. There's a point where that gets creepy. When Modonna reaches her mid 50's I would really not want to see her crawling around on some stage lapping milk out of a bowl. Likewise, Prince is now aged and his interests have changed. HOWEVER, maturity and creativity are NOT mutually exclusive traits. Prince's fault isn't that he's a JW--it's that he's lost his ability to convey his passions , whatever they may be at this point, creatively and with enough ferver to draw us in. I didn't have a friggen clue what LoveSexy meant as a 15 year old--but it didn't matter--it was brilliant. | |
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It's time to bring back synths and guitars. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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EvilWhiteMale said: It's time to bring back synths and guitars.
I would like to see him embrace electronic forms of media. That's not to see I want him release an Front242 or Paul Oakenfold album--but to just understand that it's not the instruments that matter--but how they're used. I almost want to vomit when I here traditional instruments on a Prince album being played in a traditional manner, no matter how well they're played or how skillfully written the song--it simply too "normal" | |
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Hey look everyone-Evil white male is back. I almost didn't notice.It seems now that 2004 is done and Prince has wrapped up one of his most successful runs ever, EWM has taken his foot out of his mouth and finished eating crow. Well, here is to hoping for another year of EWM's overly critical, oddly obsessive, blindly negative rants. I love you brother.
No, we need you so we can point our fuckin' fingers and say "There's the guy who stopped being a Prince fan around 1995 and is still hangin' around 10 years later." "New Power slide...." |
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skywalker said: Hey look everyone-Evil white male is back. I almost didn't notice.It seems now that 2004 is done and Prince has wrapped up one of his most successful runs ever, EWM has taken his foot out of his mouth and finished eating crow. Well, here is to hoping for another year of EWM's overly critical, oddly obsessive, blindly negative rants. I love you brother.
No, we need you so we can point our fuckin' fingers and say "There's the guy who stopped being a Prince fan around 1995 and is still hangin' around 10 years later." Well cheers to Prince's brilliant marketing strategy. His album sucked, the tour was so-so, the TV appearances were lame, but he made lots of money with great marketing. Well isn't that wonderful? Meanwhile today the majority of music fans are back to not giving a fuck about Prince. They got some greatest hits and they're done. Now millions of Musicology CD's are collecting dust all across the world. BTW, is this thread gonna become about me again? Let me know now so I can get ready for it. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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AsianBoi777 said: EvilWhiteMale said: That's because he fucked those movies up just like Prince fucked up his music. It's a good comparison too: George Lucas re-releases his originals and makes them worse by adding all kinds of unneccesary CGI, Prince takes out "naughty words" from his old songs. George Lucas makes a comeback with new shitty Star Wars films, Prince comes out with new shitty music. George Lucas adds more fun for the kids with horrible characters like Jar Jar, Prince makes his shows and music family friendly. These two guys must hang out together or something. They sure do know how to take the slide through the downward spiral. Lucas is also using his own money, his own studio, and his own everything--nobody tells him when it's aweful. Prince is in pretty much the same boat. These fuckers don't have qualilty control. Ofcourse, with all this freedom, it actually should lead to awesome things, but in the case of both of them, they've somehow lost their muse or ascended to such levels that they no longer feel the fire. sad, really--I think there's hope for Prince. Lucas had his shot. Yeah right. Lucas fucked up Star Wars and Prince is washed up? You know that your ass was in a seat for Prince's tour and that same ass will be in a seat in May for the new Star Wars movie. Prince's tour was the biggest of the year and Star Wars is unquestionably a blockbuster everytime. You people are living in some kind of dream world where if everything isn't as it was in the 80's, when you were younger, then you say it's crap. If you really were objective you would see that there are songs on "Musicology" that are as good as anything Prince did in the 80's and that Mark Hamill's acting in the original "Star Wars" is much worse than anyone in the new movies. As much a I love me some 1983 muppets it's 2005 and it'd be nice for some of you to understand that. Lucas and Prince are both revolutionary artists who have bucked the system and play by their own rules. They do whatever the hell they want. What have cynical fans done(whether it is Prince music or Star Wars movies) besides simultaneously badmouth and spend money on their obsession ? "New Power slide...." |
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skywalker said: AsianBoi777 said: Lucas is also using his own money, his own studio, and his own everything--nobody tells him when it's aweful. Prince is in pretty much the same boat. These fuckers don't have qualilty control. Ofcourse, with all this freedom, it actually should lead to awesome things, but in the case of both of them, they've somehow lost their muse or ascended to such levels that they no longer feel the fire. sad, really--I think there's hope for Prince. Lucas had his shot. Yeah right. Lucas fucked up Star Wars and Prince is washed up? You know that your ass was in a seat for Prince's tour and that same ass will be in a seat in May for the new Star Wars movie. Prince's tour was the biggest of the year and Star Wars is unquestionably a blockbuster everytime. You people are living in some kind of dream world where if everything isn't as it was in the 80's, when you were younger, then you say it's crap. If you really were objective you would see that there are songs on "Musicology" that are as good as anything Prince did in the 80's and that Mark Hamill's acting in the original "Star Wars" is much worse than anyone in the new movies. As much a I love me some 1983 muppets it's 2005 and it'd be nice for some of you to understand that. Lucas and Prince are both revolutionary artists who have bucked the system and play by their own rules. They do whatever the hell they want. What have cynical fans done(whether it is Prince music or Star Wars movies) besides simultaneously badmouth and spend money on their obsession ? Oh that is SUCH bullshit! I don't expect any Prince album to sound like the one the year prior OR be as great, but bad music is bad music. Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe the problem is that Prince hasn't been as creative and ambitious in his music, and not that us horrible fans have our heads stuck in the 80's? [Edited 1/8/05 22:25pm] The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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skywalker said: Yeah right. Lucas fucked up Star Wars and Prince is washed up? You know that your ass was in a seat for Prince's tour and that same ass will be in a seat in May for the new Star Wars movie. Prince's tour was the biggest of the year and Star Wars is unquestionably a blockbuster everytime. You people are living in some kind of dream world where if everything isn't as it was in the 80's, when you were younger, then you say it's crap. If you really were objective you would see that there are songs on "Musicology" that are as good as anything Prince did in the 80's and that Mark Hamill's acting in the original "Star Wars" is much worse than anyone in the new movies. As much a I love me some 1983 muppets it's 2005 and it'd be nice for some of you to understand that. Lucas and Prince are both revolutionary artists who have bucked the system and play by their own rules. They do whatever the hell they want. What have cynical fans done(whether it is Prince music or Star Wars movies) besides simultaneously badmouth and spend money on their obsession ?
Yeah, it's so much better to kiss their asses all the time and drown them in compliments, no matter what they do. How dare we express our criticisms, and express our freedom of speech. Shame on us all. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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I'm not holding my breath on the synths-but hell yes on the guitars.
If nothing else, he could show people he could still play and isn't afraid to go beyond the James Brown live feel-I miss the heavier side of Prince. I'd like to think he could still surprise us, he tends to do what he wants anyway so it surprises me when people take all this shit so personally. I've got no doubt people love the guy, but come on-do you think he takes any of this into serious consideration? Musicology was alright, it's not his best by far but I've learned with Prince it's just better to sit back and if you hate what's out now, go back to what you love, no matter how much you might be shaking your head remembering the days you miss. Who knows what could happen. | |
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It's pretty much true. Sad to say.
Between burning himself out, becoming a JW, getting older, and becoming family friendly, he's just worth attention from time to time. He's not in the right mindset for creating good music. He's lost his edge for creating new and edgy stuff. He's lost his balls. Larry has them hanging off the end of his bass. Agree with you about the balls "There comes a road in every man's journey that he's afraid to walk on his own.
I'm here to tell you, I'm at that road. And I would rather walk it with you than walk it alone". | |
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The music sucks and the lyrics suck, he's a joke now. I still follow him, because he was my favorite act growing up. | |
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