kpowers said:

2freaky4church1 said:

The right wing basically took over the threads. The divisive content was getting shocking--people not understanding basic facts. I'm a political junky so this will break my heart. Politics is the most important part of society, to be honest, because these times are dangerous. Climate change and the pandemics are killing us.

Now I am forced to deal with the shitshow that is Reddit. lol

Really?????? Your the number one hijacker of threads on the org.

See. That - we don't need, brother. For me, I don't see 2freaky doing that. He has a strong opinion, is a self-admitted political junkie, adds to threads, but. he's def not a hijacker. Just my

TrivialPursuit said:

kpowers said:

Really?????? Your the number one hijacker of threads on the org.

See. That - we don't need, brother. For me, I don't see 2freaky doing that. He has a strong opinion, is a self-admitted political junkie, adds to threads, but. he's def not a hijacker. Just my

Yes he is

kpowers said:

TrivialPursuit said:

See. That - we don't need, brother. For me, I don't see 2freaky doing that. He has a strong opinion, is a self-admitted political junkie, adds to threads, but. he's def not a hijacker. Just my

Yes he is

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See, no has to make any of the other forums like P&R, they each already have their own uninviting cliques.

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It is always better to discuss the points of conversation rather than attack the person.

IanRG said:

kpowers said:

Yes he is

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See, no has to make any of the other forums like P&R, they each already have their own uninviting cliques.

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It is always better to discuss the points of conversation rather than attack the person.

And that why P&R should come back

kpowers said:

IanRG said:

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See, no has to make any of the other forums like P&R, they each already have their own uninviting cliques.

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It is always better to discuss the points of conversation rather than attack the person.

And that why P&R should come back

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The survival of the site post 21 April 2016 is not by perpetuating ever decreasing and uninviting cliques. It is by making every forum more inviting and more welcoming - encouraging and welcoming new members. It is not by trying to make sure people outside of one forum's clique are attacked and excluded if they enter someone else's.

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We are all here because of our love of Prince, so there is no reason why each forum should have its own uninviting clique.

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We have the opportunity to make the whole of the site better for all by the culling of one forum that was being misused by one person.

IanRG said:

kpowers said:

And that why P&R should come back

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The survival of the site post 21 April 2016 is not by perpetuating ever decreasing and uninviting cliques. It is by making every forum more inviting and more welcoming - encouraging and welcoming new members. It is not by trying to make sure people outside of one forum's clique are attacked and excluded if they enter someone else's.

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We are all here because of our love of Prince, so there is no reason why each forum should have its own uninviting clique.

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We have the opportunity to make the whole of the site better for all by the culling of one forum that was being misused by one person.

There are a lot of people here that are not Prince fans (but I am)

kpowers said:

IanRG said:

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The survival of the site post 21 April 2016 is not by perpetuating ever decreasing and uninviting cliques. It is by making every forum more inviting and more welcoming - encouraging and welcoming new members. It is not by trying to make sure people outside of one forum's clique are attacked and excluded if they enter someone else's.

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We are all here because of our love of Prince, so there is no reason why each forum should have its own uninviting clique.

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We have the opportunity to make the whole of the site better for all by the culling of one forum that was being misused by one person.

There are a lot of people here that are not Prince fans (but I am)

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Look at the title.

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As an "online Prince fan community", I do not see why it should cater for people that are not part of any "online Prince fan community" but should instead be place where you can attack people rather than addressing what they say. This is a key reason for why the whole place may not be inviting or welcoming.

IanRG said:

kpowers said:

And that why P&R should come back

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The survival of the site post 21 April 2016 is not by perpetuating ever decreasing and uninviting cliques. It is by making every forum more inviting and more welcoming - encouraging and welcoming new members. It is not by trying to make sure people outside of one forum's clique are attacked and excluded if they enter someone else's.

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We are all here because of our love of Prince, so there is no reason why each forum should have its own uninviting clique.

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We have the opportunity to make the whole of the site better for all by the culling of one forum that was being misused by one person.

Yes, it was being misused by 1 person, so why punish us all?

The thing is as much as I appreciate Ben for this site, some of us have been telling him for years about 2 certain mods. He finally got rid of 1, but the other one is still abusing her power. The mods are the cliquish out of all. They have their favorites. I have been called names by mods, threatened by mods the entire works. The only mod that has listened to me was June7.

When I report a post it gets opened weeks later, and nothing is done about it. For example, I started a thread about Target's exclusive release on white vinyl. The next day Bart decides to start a thread on it, even though he knew there was already one. Luv seen the message but she did nothing to correct it. Bart started a thread on the Walmart exclusive, I started one also, within hours mine was shut down as a dupe, but Barts Target one still exsists.

This is what the members here have been trying to deal with for years. People were permabanned for nothing and it's these 2 mods who thank they have the power to do anything they want. One poster was banned only because she was married to a permabanned member. That poster told Ben this face to face...and still nothing was done.

The Father of this place is missing in action. Are you even hearing or seeing any of this Ben?

If I get banned for stating all of the above, then you all know where to find me. I've met a lot of good people here, and I'm blessed for that.

IanRG said:

kpowers said:

There are a lot of people here that are not Prince fans (but I am)

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Look at the title.

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As an "online Prince fan community", I do not see why it should cater for people that are not part of any "online Prince fan community" but should instead be place where you can attack people rather than addressing what they say. This is a key reason for why the whole place may not be inviting or welcoming.

Ian, you of all people know that several of the mods here helped fuel this place by not making it inviting. Their favs can do and say anything, and not get snipped or banned, the unfaves always get snipped and banned.

Other posters have called me a bitch, honey chiile, sweetheart, honey, and they were not in a good way. The mods OF & LUV turned their heads and looked the other way and LET it go on. They should be the ones that are permabanned, not 100's of others.

IanRG said:

kpowers said:

IanRG said:

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Look at the title.

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As an "online Prince fan community", I do not see why it should cater for people that are not part of any "online Prince fan community" but should instead be place where you can attack people rather than addressing what they say. This is a key reason for why the whole place may not be inviting or welcoming.

But it attracts non fans as well and nothing will change that

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And it can retain fans and attract new fans better whilst inadverently attacting non-fans if the whole of the place is made more welcoming and inviting and less about protecting your intra-forum cliques from other intra-forum cliques and attacking long term members of the online Prince fan community like Freaky.

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And this is what we can change.

PennyPurple said:

IanRG said:

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Look at the title.

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As an "online Prince fan community", I do not see why it should cater for people that are not part of any "online Prince fan community" but should instead be place where you can attack people rather than addressing what they say. This is a key reason for why the whole place may not be inviting or welcoming.

Ian, you of all people know that several of the mods here helped fuel this place by not making it inviting. Their favs can do and say anything, and not get snipped or banned, the unfaves always get snipped and banned.

Other posters have called me a bitch, honey chiile, sweetheart, honey, and they were not in a good way. The mods OF & LUV turned their heads and looked the other way and LET it go on. They should be the ones that are permabanned, not 100's of others.

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Agreed, and this is what we need to encourage to change.

PennyPurple said:

IanRG said:

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Look at the title.

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As an "online Prince fan community", I do not see why it should cater for people that are not part of any "online Prince fan community" but should instead be place where you can attack people rather than addressing what they say. This is a key reason for why the whole place may not be inviting or welcoming.

Ian, you of all people know that several of the mods here helped fuel this place by not making it inviting. Their favs can do and say anything, and not get snipped or banned, the unfaves always get snipped and banned.

Other posters have called me a bitch, honey chiile, sweetheart, honey, and they were not in a good way. The mods OF & LUV turned their heads and looked the other way and LET it go on. They should be the ones that are permabanned, not 100's of others.

OldFriends4Sale isn't here anymore.

IanRG said:

sexton said:

PennyPurple said:

Ian, you of all people know that several of the mods here helped fuel this place by not making it inviting. Their favs can do and say anything, and not get snipped or banned, the unfaves always get snipped and banned.

Other posters have called me a bitch, honey chiile, sweetheart, honey, and they were not in a good way. The mods OF & LUV turned their heads and looked the other way and LET it go on. They should be the ones that are permabanned, not 100's of others.

OldFriends4Sale isn't here anymore.

I know.

PennyPurple said:

sexton said:

OldFriends4Sale isn't here anymore.

I know.

But seriously, those non-Prince fans can go wherever. Clearly this is a Prince fan community. It's not that they're not welcome here. They're just in the wrong place to hawk their wares.

I'd much rather talk about Prince, or non-Prince stuff like George Michael, Janet, Madonna, MJ, Bruce, Parliament, or whoever, or books, or movies, TV series, stuff like that than hashing out how horrible democrats are or how horrible republicans are. Neither of them give a fat shit about us as people. So, since I don't care about them either, let's talk about other stuff.

Let's just love our love of music, movies, TV, books, and each other.

kpowers said:

IanRG said:

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Look at the title.

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As an "online Prince fan community", I do not see why it should cater for people that are not part of any "online Prince fan community" but should instead be place where you can attack people rather than addressing what they say. This is a key reason for why the whole place may not be inviting or welcoming.

But it attracts non fans as well and nothing will change that

And that's a good thing. It's not an exclusive club. If people happen to stumble on here and are attracted to the general discussion forum then that's alright.

kpowers said:

SantanaMaitreya said:

kpowers said:

And that why P&R should come back

It won't because we can already see the personal attacks here on this thread. Everybody on that forum was guilty of it.

Yeah, and we can't change what we don't acknowledge.

IanRG said:

I'll miss the P&R forum. To be honest I didn't think it was that bad in terms of personal attacks - I've seen a lot worse on other sites. Compared to that the org is all fluffy bunnies and rainbows.

Yes it got flooded with same old same old at times, and the modding was biased, and some threads just drifted into predictable 'my semantics are bigger than your semantics' point-scoring, but in general, it wasn't that bad.

But often admins on any site have to deal with a lot of crap behind the scenes we don't know about.

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Not much nuance to be sure lol

The big faux paux was no steel manning of any opinion ever. We--not me--straw manned like woogans.

hmmm. well.... okay then. thank you for keeping this website going Ben

and PS: A BIG thank you to the Mods !

SantanaMaitreya said:

SantanaMaitreya said:

kpowers said:

And that why P&R should come back

It won't because we can already see the personal attacks here on this thread. Everybody on that forum was guilty of it.

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Including you and have you ever read PM&M?

Good call, Ben.

I used to post there about 10-15 years ago or so when there was some meaningul discussion happening but when I popped back in it was just the same 3 or 4 people posting links from OANN, Newsmax and FOX while arguing in tremendously bad faith.

It had really become a cess pool so I say good riddance. PLenty of other places to get into flame wars if that's your thing.

One thing though, wasn't the P&R forum created in the first place to rid the other forums of all that toxic bullshit and give it a place to go for people who didn't want to read that stuff and basically keep it from shitting up the other forums?

My concern now is that the usual suspects will pollute other threads with baiting comments about people being too woke, links to stories about Antifa burning down orphanages and bitching about George Soros that the "liberal" media won't tell you about.