SUPRMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

This is for you and your crazy stan buddies, the next time they want to formulate an arguement about an artists, ARTISTIC TALENTS/ACHIEVEMENTS not to mention stupid ass irrelevant shit like motherhood and maintaining weight which has nothing to do with MUSIC OR SINGING and Ive never said racist shit but I guess you would see it that way since your a delusional crazy psychotic Madonna stan.

Which means trotting out RN1814, yet again?

As an artist, I prefer Madonna. Janet only has a career because she had an older brother named Michael.

Sorry dude, that's a bullshit statement.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

SUPRMAN said:

Which means trotting out RN1814, yet again?

As an artist, I prefer Madonna. Janet only has a career because she had an older brother named Michael.

Sorry dude, that's a bullshit statement.

My apologies. I keep forgetting she has 'talent.'

mjscarousal said:

Oh yeah he watchin' all this and laughin' his ass off.

mjscarousal said:

RKJCNE said:

Y'all better back off Mjsstanousal before she blows her fuse and starts throwing out racist shit again.

Anyway...

Anybody who denies Madge hasn't done anything groundbreaking in the last decade better check Confessions or the fact that she basically brought electronica into pop music which has only gotten bigger in the past few years.

And yeah Janet hasn't done anything all that fantastic recently, but RN, VR and Control stand tall enough as classics that it doesn't really matter.

Both women are untouchable, who cares about records?

This is for you and your crazy stan buddies, the next time they want to formulate an arguement about an artists, ARTISTIC TALENTS/ACHIEVEMENTS not to mention stupid ass irrelevant shit like motherhood and maintaining weight which has nothing to do with MUSIC OR SINGING and Ive never said racist shit but I guess you would see it that way since your a delusional crazy psychotic Madonna stan.

"ugly white bitch"

That's all I've got to say to you.

RKJCNE said:

mjscarousal said:

This is for you and your crazy stan buddies, the next time they want to formulate an arguement about an artists, ARTISTIC TALENTS/ACHIEVEMENTS not to mention stupid ass irrelevant shit like motherhood and maintaining weight which has nothing to do with MUSIC OR SINGING and Ive never said racist shit but I guess you would see it that way since your a delusional crazy psychotic Madonna stan.

"ugly white bitch"

That's all I've got to say to you.

I said more in that description besides that and I described her that way because I wasnt trying to mention her name because it was going to start an arguement and it was used because you stans were relentlessly bashing Janet and was made to prove a point.

Mentioning a race in a describing someone doesnt make anyone racist and how I described her was not by any means in a racist way and if you honestly think that just because I used "white" then you have some serious growing up to do because clearly I was not trying to say who she was and that was used to indirectly show that because Madonna is "white" she gets undeserving accolades unlike an artist like Janet because she is African American.

I have friends of many many many different races an cultural backgrounds and love everyone equally and thats all Im going to say on that pathetic matter.

Its funny you said records dont mean anything but your stan friends are pressed to bash Janet and put her down.. What for? Its immature. Madonna tied Janet, so what? Honestly I dont think it means much being that her new album wasnt good at all and how easy it is today to get a number one but congrads anyway. I just dont get the whole putting down another artist to make the other look better, its childish

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

mjscarousal said:

Oh yeah he watchin' all this and laughin' his ass off.

Yes he is and so am I LOL this is beyond ridiculous... but entertaining.

mjscarousal said:

I just dont get the whole putting down another artist to make the other look better, its childish

Do you really expect that comment to be taken seriously? If anybody says something you don't like, you put them down. It's like, your thing!

mjscarousal said:

RKJCNE said:

"ugly white bitch"

That's all I've got to say to you.

I said more in that description besides that and I described her that way because I wasnt trying to mention her name because it was going to start an arguement and it was used because you stans were relentlessly bashing Janet and was made to prove a point.

Mentioning a race in a describing someone doesnt make anyone racist and how I described her was not by any means in a racist way and if you honestly think that just because I used "white" then you have some serious growing up to do because clearly I was not trying to say who she was and that was used to indirectly show that because Madonna is "white" she gets undeserving accolades unlike an artist like Janet because she is African American.

I have friends of many many many different races an cultural backgrounds and love everyone equally and thats all Im going to say on that pathetic matter.

Its funny you said records dont mean anything but your stan friends are pressed to bash Janet and put her down.. What for? Its immature. Madonna tied Janet, so what? Honestly I dont think it means much being that her new album wasnt good at all and how easy it is today to get a number one but congrads anyway. I just dont get the whole putting down another artist to make the other look better, its childish

You know if it where the reverse and someone said "ugly black bitch" that'd be racist, and the fact that you won't cop to it yet you'll run around pointing out racism is really disappointing.

I didn't say that records don't matter, what matters is that they've both proved themselves and then some. And you have no buisness calling other people stans, not with your attitude.

This thread is the ultimate fishing trip. Bravo to the OP!

Terrib3Towel said:

This thread is the ultimate fishing trip. Bravo to the OP!

Crazy, ain't it. I've even been posting on it after I realized what was going on.

Cerebus said:

Terrib3Towel said:

This thread is the ultimate fishing trip. Bravo to the OP!

Crazy, ain't it. I've even been posting on it after I realized what was going on.

Shoot I've been sittin back and enjoying the entertainment.

mjscarousal said:

RKJCNE said:

"ugly white bitch"

That's all I've got to say to you.

I said more in that description besides that and I described her that way because I wasnt trying to mention her name because it was going to start an arguement and it was used because you stans were relentlessly bashing Janet and was made to prove a point.

Mentioning a race in a describing someone doesnt make anyone racist and how I described her was not by any means in a racist way and if you honestly think that just because I used "white" then you have some serious growing up to do because clearly I was not trying to say who she was and that was used to indirectly show that because Madonna is "white" she gets undeserving accolades unlike an artist like Janet because she is African American.

I have friends of many many many different races an cultural backgrounds and love everyone equally and thats all Im going to say on that pathetic matter.

Its funny you said records dont mean anything but your stan friends are pressed to bash Janet and put her down.. What for? Its immature. Madonna tied Janet, so what? Honestly I dont think it means much being that her new album wasnt good at all and how easy it is today to get a number one but congrads anyway. I just dont get the whole putting down another artist to make the other look better, its childish

If it's your personal preference to prefer Janet because she is Black and hate Madonna because she's successful in ways Janet isn't, so be it.

Everyone is just not interested in drinking that brand of Kool-Aid.

RKJCNE said:

mjscarousal said:

I said more in that description besides that and I described her that way because I wasnt trying to mention her name because it was going to start an arguement and it was used because you stans were relentlessly bashing Janet and was made to prove a point.

Mentioning a race in a describing someone doesnt make anyone racist and how I described her was not by any means in a racist way and if you honestly think that just because I used "white" then you have some serious growing up to do because clearly I was not trying to say who she was and that was used to indirectly show that because Madonna is "white" she gets undeserving accolades unlike an artist like Janet because she is African American.

I have friends of many many many different races an cultural backgrounds and love everyone equally and thats all Im going to say on that pathetic matter.

Its funny you said records dont mean anything but your stan friends are pressed to bash Janet and put her down.. What for? Its immature. Madonna tied Janet, so what? Honestly I dont think it means much being that her new album wasnt good at all and how easy it is today to get a number one but congrads anyway. I just dont get the whole putting down another artist to make the other look better, its childish

You know if it where the reverse and someone said "ugly black bitch" that'd be racist, and the fact that you won't cop to it yet you'll run around pointing out racism is really disappointing.

I didn't say that records don't matter, what matters is that they've both proved themselves and then some. And you have no buisness calling other people stans, not with your attitude.

Look here, you called me out... so IM RESPONDING its just that simple. And you brought up an old comment that came from a completely DIFFERENT THREAD that was made to prove a completely DIFFERENT point. The only reason why you brought it up is because its dealing with a Jackson and it relates to the material girl.

What attitude exactly? Because you stans brought up Madonna being a damn mother and being skinny to show she is better than Janet? How immature and childish can you get? AND then in the same sentence insist that I am a crazy stan because I challenged the immature remarks to get a rise out of the fans here.

You stans are crazy :lol :

SUPRMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

This is for you and your crazy stan buddies, the next time they want to formulate an arguement about an artists, ARTISTIC TALENTS/ACHIEVEMENTS not to mention stupid ass irrelevant shit like motherhood and maintaining weight which has nothing to do with MUSIC OR SINGING and Ive never said racist shit but I guess you would see it that way since your a delusional crazy psychotic Madonna stan.

Which means trotting out RN1814, yet again?

As an artist, I prefer Madonna. Janet only has a career because she had an older brother named Michael.

I was on your side but now you've lost me. Janet's career didn't take off because she was Michael's sister. Janet's career was at her lowest during Michael's height. Janet didn't become successful and artistic until she wanted to seperate herself from Michael. They are completely different artists with TALENT and nearly everyone one this site (whether a Janet fan or not) knows this.

SUPRMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

I said more in that description besides that and I described her that way because I wasnt trying to mention her name because it was going to start an arguement and it was used because you stans were relentlessly bashing Janet and was made to prove a point.

Mentioning a race in a describing someone doesnt make anyone racist and how I described her was not by any means in a racist way and if you honestly think that just because I used "white" then you have some serious growing up to do because clearly I was not trying to say who she was and that was used to indirectly show that because Madonna is "white" she gets undeserving accolades unlike an artist like Janet because she is African American.

I have friends of many many many different races an cultural backgrounds and love everyone equally and thats all Im going to say on that pathetic matter.

Its funny you said records dont mean anything but your stan friends are pressed to bash Janet and put her down.. What for? Its immature. Madonna tied Janet, so what? Honestly I dont think it means much being that her new album wasnt good at all and how easy it is today to get a number one but congrads anyway. I just dont get the whole putting down another artist to make the other look better, its childish

If it's your personal preference to prefer Janet because she is Black and hate Madonna because she's successful in ways Janet isn't, so be it.

Everyone is just not interested in drinking that brand of Kool-Aid.

I have NEVER said I hated Madonna. I have mutiple times express I enjoy alot of her 80s and 90s material, videos, footages, and music BUT I do find her to be very overrated and have my personal critiques on her so called talent and yes Im going to speak that and yes I am going to continue to when the opportunities presents itself accordingly because simply I CAN

But hey if you want to derive to a conclusion that I have a certain kind of preference when you dont know a damn thing about me and just because (you disagree with me regarding your favorite artist)..... so be it, it is a free country.

aardvark15 said:

SUPRMAN said:

Which means trotting out RN1814, yet again?

As an artist, I prefer Madonna. Janet only has a career because she had an older brother named Michael.

I was on your side but now you've lost me. Janet's career didn't take off because she was Michael's sister. Janet's career was at her lowest during Michael's height. Janet didn't become successful and artistic until she wanted to seperate herself from Michael. They are completely different artists with TALENT and nearly everyone one this site (whether a Janet fan or not) knows this.

There stans hun, they dont care about FACTS but thanks for mentioning them!

mjscarousal said:

SUPRMAN said:

If it's your personal preference to prefer Janet because she is Black and hate Madonna because she's successful in ways Janet isn't, so be it.

Everyone is just not interested in drinking that brand of Kool-Aid.

I have NEVER said I hated Madonna. I have mutiple times express I enjoy alot of her 80s and 90s material, videos, footages, and music BUT I do find her to be very overrated and have my personal critiques on her so called talent and yes Im going to speak that and yes I am going to continue to when the opportunities presents itself accordingly because simply I CAN

But hey if you want to derive to a conclusion that I have a certain kind of preference when you dont know a damn thing about me and just because (you disagree with me regarding your favorite artist)..... so be it, it is a free country.

That would be Prince. As big a Prince fan as I am, I don't care about people talking about him.

I've heard that bs since 1979.

The way you speak of Madonna in the vicinity of Janet is what gave me that impression.

Neither Madonna or Janet are anything close to a favorite.

They are both just 80's-90's pop stars.

Feel free to speak away.

mjscarousal said:

aardvark15 said:

I was on your side but now you've lost me. Janet's career didn't take off because she was Michael's sister. Janet's career was at her lowest during Michael's height. Janet didn't become successful and artistic until she wanted to seperate herself from Michael. They are completely different artists with TALENT and nearly everyone one this site (whether a Janet fan or not) knows this.

There stans hun, they dont care about FACTS but thanks for mentioning them!

What facts did he post. Those are his opinions.

Being successful isn't the same as being talented.

mjscarousal said:

aardvark15 said:

I was on your side but now you've lost me. Janet's career didn't take off because she was Michael's sister. Janet's career was at her lowest during Michael's height. Janet didn't become successful and artistic until she wanted to seperate herself from Michael. They are completely different artists with TALENT and nearly everyone one this site (whether a Janet fan or not) knows this.

There stans hun, they dont care about FACTS but thanks for mentioning them!

lol like from one stan 2 another, ight? the jacksonville kills me from time 2 time

SUPRMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

There stans hun, they dont care about FACTS but thanks for mentioning them!

What facts did he post. Those are his opinions.

Being successful isn't the same as being talented.

Those are the facts. Just because you choose to discount them doesn't mean they aren't. Besides, I think's it's quite evident how biased your opinion is anyways, so I can't take it objectively. You understand...

I could also say that for the amount of talent that Madonna has (which, to me, isn't much) she could've just walked into a recording studio and yelled out "jailbait!".

I do enjoy some of Madonna's early work, although I do believe a lot of the hype around her is exaggerated at best.

Holla.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

SUPRMAN said:

What facts did he post. Those are his opinions.

Being successful isn't the same as being talented.

Those are the facts. Just because you choose to discount them doesn't mean they aren't. Besides, I think's it's quite evident how biased your opinion is anyways, so I can't take it objectively. You understand...

I could also say that for the amount of talent that Madonna has (which, to me, isn't much) she could've just walked into a recording studio and yelled out "jailbait!".

I do enjoy some of Madonna's early work, although I do believe a lot of the hype around her is exaggerated at best.

Holla.

" Janet's career didn't take off because she was Michael's sister. Janet's career was at her lowest during Michael's height. Janet didn't become successful and artistic until she wanted to seperate herself from Michael. They are completely different artists with TALENT and nearly everyone one this site (whether a Janet fan or not) knows this."

Where are the facts?

That's all subjective opinion as to whether there was a coattail effect, when her career reached it's low point (album before 'Control'?), that she 'separated' herself from Michael and that led to her subsequent success, that they are completely different artists with talent, nearly everyone one (sic) knows this.

I don't own any Janet albums. Everyone I've bought I've given away after a year or so. Personally, her videos, not her recordings, are what make her memorable.

SUPRMAN said:

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Those are the facts. Just because you choose to discount them doesn't mean they aren't. Besides, I think's it's quite evident how biased your opinion is anyways, so I can't take it objectively. You understand...

I could also say that for the amount of talent that Madonna has (which, to me, isn't much) she could've just walked into a recording studio and yelled out "jailbait!".

I do enjoy some of Madonna's early work, although I do believe a lot of the hype around her is exaggerated at best.

Holla.

" Janet's career didn't take off because she was Michael's sister. Janet's career was at her lowest during Michael's height. Janet didn't become successful and artistic until she wanted to seperate herself from Michael. They are completely different artists with TALENT and nearly everyone one this site (whether a Janet fan or not) knows this."

Where are the facts?

That's all subjective opinion as to whether there was a coattail effect, when her career reached it's low point (album before 'Control'?), that she 'separated' herself from Michael and that led to her subsequent success, that they are completely different artists with talent, nearly everyone one (sic) knows this.

I don't own any Janet albums. Everyone I've bought I've given away after a year or so. Personally, her videos, not her recordings, are what make her memorable.

But what exactly does Madonna tieing with Janets record have ANYTHING to do with that? Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it seems like in this whole thread your mission is to go out of your way to bash Janet with immature cracks simply because you dont like her. Likewise with everyone else here. I dont see a point in coming into a thread and just simply going out of your way to immaturely bash her when you dont like her. Its one thing to say an opinion, its another to troll which you have done and your troll buddies all because you dont like Janet. You say your not a Madonna stan but you sure as hell have been acting like one in this thread by insisting since Madonna is a mother she is better than Janet or the fact that she is skinny she is better??? seriously you sound like a toddler and its amazing that your cheerleaders insist on defending that damn yall must really hate Janet LOL..... smh

[Edited 4/22/12 9:59am]

Cerebus said:

mjscarousal said:

I just dont get the whole putting down another artist to make the other look better, its childish

Do you really expect that comment to be taken seriously? If anybody says something you don't like, you put them down. It's like, your thing!

Right, me calling someone childish because their arguement is another artist is better because they are a mother and their skinny, things that have nothing to do with the thread title or talent???

You have serious issues.

But if it makes you feel good to make these useless so called intelligent rants about what message boards are and about what putting down someone is which you obviously dont have a clue what that really means.... go right ahead

This thread is the gift that keeps on giving.

mjscarousal said:

SUPRMAN said:

" Janet's career didn't take off because she was Michael's sister. Janet's career was at her lowest during Michael's height. Janet didn't become successful and artistic until she wanted to seperate herself from Michael. They are completely different artists with TALENT and nearly everyone one this site (whether a Janet fan or not) knows this."

Where are the facts?

That's all subjective opinion as to whether there was a coattail effect, when her career reached it's low point (album before 'Control'?), that she 'separated' herself from Michael and that led to her subsequent success, that they are completely different artists with talent, nearly everyone one (sic) knows this.

I don't own any Janet albums. Everyone I've bought I've given away after a year or so. Personally, her videos, not her recordings, are what make her memorable.

But what exactly does Madonna tieing with Janets record have ANYTHING to do with that? Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it seems like in this whole thread your mission is to go out of your way to bash Janet with immature cracks simply because you dont like her. Likewise with everyone else here. I dont see a point in coming into a thread and just simply going out of your way to immaturely bash her when you dont like her. Its one thing to say an opinion, its another to troll which you have done and your troll buddies all because you dont like Janet. You say your not a Madonna stan but you sure as hell have been acting like one in this thread by insisting since Madonna is a mother she is better than Janet or the fact that she is skinny she is better??? seriously you sound like a toddler and its amazing that your cheerleaders insist on defending that damn yall must really hate Janet LOL..... smh

[Edited 4/22/12 9:59am]

Would be convenient if I did hate Janet huh?

I can't waste energy hating on that girl.

I don't dislike Janet. I think she's overrated.

You may not think being a mother is a better contribution than RN1814 but that's subjective (I guess.)

Thin is in.

Your defense of Miss Jackson is definitely a source of amusement. I can't even muster the indignation to defend Prince.

mjscarousal said:

Cerebus said:

Do you really expect that comment to be taken seriously? If anybody says something you don't like, you put them down. It's like, your thing!

Right, me calling someone childish because their arguement is another artist is better because they are a mother and their skinny, things that have nothing to do with the thread title or talent???

You have serious issues.

But if it makes you feel good to make these useless so called intelligent rants about what message boards are and about what putting down someone is which you obviously dont have a clue what that really means.... go right ahead

So what would make Madonna definitely better? Anything?

My guess is even if Madonna made Michael look like a one hit wonder, you'd still argue Janet was better.

[Edited 4/22/12 10:44am]

SUPRMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

But what exactly does Madonna tieing with Janets record have ANYTHING to do with that? Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it seems like in this whole thread your mission is to go out of your way to bash Janet with immature cracks simply because you dont like her. Likewise with everyone else here. I dont see a point in coming into a thread and just simply going out of your way to immaturely bash her when you dont like her. Its one thing to say an opinion, its another to troll which you have done and your troll buddies all because you dont like Janet. You say your not a Madonna stan but you sure as hell have been acting like one in this thread by insisting since Madonna is a mother she is better than Janet or the fact that she is skinny she is better??? seriously you sound like a toddler and its amazing that your cheerleaders insist on defending that damn yall must really hate Janet LOL..... smh

[Edited 4/22/12 9:59am]

Would be convenient if I did hate Janet huh?

I can't waste energy hating on that girl.

I don't dislike Janet. I think she's overrated.

You may not think being a mother is a better contribution than RN1814 but that's subjective (I guess.)

Thin is in.

Your defense of Miss Jackson is definitely a source of amusement. I can't even muster the indignation to defend Prince.

To add to the flame I decided to post this:

Madonna ‘Not Happy’ About Daughter Smoking; Needs to Be “Tougher”

Credit: Gregg DeGuire/FilmMagic/Getty Images.

Madonna may be totally in control of her career, but she doesn’t have that same control over her teenage daughter. Last month, a picture of 15-year-old Lourdes smoking a cigarette popped up in the press, and in an interview that aired Wednesday night on NBC’s “Rock Center,” the superstar mom reveals her less-than-thrilled reaction.

Interviewer Harry Smith said that when he saw the photo, he asked himself, “How did Madonna react to that?” “She wasn’t happy,” Madonna replied. When Smith asked if Madonna is a “tough mom,” she admitted, “I think I am but honestly, I don’t think I’m as tough as I should be. I think I need to be, maybe, tougher. It’s hard, every day is a negotiation. But cigarette smoking, I’m not very fond of. For anyone.”

When Smith pointed out that a recent video of Madonna shows her smoking a cigarette, she acted annoyed and protests, “I don’t smoke! That’s just an accessory, Harry! There’s a difference!” Then she laughed and said Lourdes “smoked that cigarette before I did that video! So she didn’t get that from me, ok?”

http://abcnews.go.com/blo...e-tougher/

SUPRMAN said:

mjscarousal said:

But what exactly does Madonna tieing with Janets record have ANYTHING to do with that? Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it seems like in this whole thread your mission is to go out of your way to bash Janet with immature cracks simply because you dont like her. Likewise with everyone else here. I dont see a point in coming into a thread and just simply going out of your way to immaturely bash her when you dont like her. Its one thing to say an opinion, its another to troll which you have done and your troll buddies all because you dont like Janet. You say your not a Madonna stan but you sure as hell have been acting like one in this thread by insisting since Madonna is a mother she is better than Janet or the fact that she is skinny she is better??? seriously you sound like a toddler and its amazing that your cheerleaders insist on defending that damn yall must really hate Janet LOL..... smh

[Edited 4/22/12 9:59am]

Would be convenient if I did hate Janet huh?

I can't waste energy hating on that girl.

I don't dislike Janet. I think she's overrated.

You may not think being a mother is a better contribution than RN1814 but that's subjective (I guess.)

Thin is in.

Your defense of Miss Jackson is definitely a source of amusement. I can't even muster the indignation to defend Prince.

LMFAO!!!

Yo im not even trying to defend her.

YOUR ARGUEMENT IS DUMB AS SHIT!!!!!! which was the only point Ive been arguing this whole time.

And you sure as hell have brought great energy and laughs in this thread so you can stop right there with that bullshit LOL by forcing a 5 year old arguement that Madonna is better because she is skinny. Also because she is a mother and Janet isnt . Yea you really must hate her to argue such a ridiculous and obsurd arguement which I am praying you are aware of and just doing it for attention.

You are BEYOND immature but I have to admit its entertainment lol

You always talk shit when it comes to a JACKSON and then wanna back track and bitch about the reactions you get... troll. And you stan for Prince as well. You will stan for anybody when its against Jackson related so stop stop and stop right there lol

And if you honestly did not give a shit, you would have not went back and forth in this thread for as long as you have... please stop with all that bullshit.

aardvark15 said:

SUPRMAN said:

Would be convenient if I did hate Janet huh?

I can't waste energy hating on that girl.

I don't dislike Janet. I think she's overrated.

You may not think being a mother is a better contribution than RN1814 but that's subjective (I guess.)

Thin is in.

Your defense of Miss Jackson is definitely a source of amusement. I can't even muster the indignation to defend Prince.

To add to the flame I decided to post this:

Madonna ‘Not Happy’ About Daughter Smoking; Needs to Be “Tougher”

Credit: Gregg DeGuire/FilmMagic/Getty Images.

Madonna may be totally in control of her career, but she doesn’t have that same control over her teenage daughter. Last month, a picture of 15-year-old Lourdes smoking a cigarette popped up in the press, and in an interview that aired Wednesday night on NBC’s “Rock Center,” the superstar mom reveals her less-than-thrilled reaction.

Interviewer Harry Smith said that when he saw the photo, he asked himself, “How did Madonna react to that?” “She wasn’t happy,” Madonna replied. When Smith asked if Madonna is a “tough mom,” she admitted, “I think I am but honestly, I don’t think I’m as tough as I should be. I think I need to be, maybe, tougher. It’s hard, every day is a negotiation. But cigarette smoking, I’m not very fond of. For anyone.”

When Smith pointed out that a recent video of Madonna shows her smoking a cigarette, she acted annoyed and protests, “I don’t smoke! That’s just an accessory, Harry! There’s a difference!” Then she laughed and said Lourdes “smoked that cigarette before I did that video! So she didn’t get that from me, ok?”

http://abcnews.go.com/blo...e-tougher/

She sounds like a regular parent.

I'm glad she isn't as defensive about it as she could have been.

Parents aren't there 24/7 and teens will experiment.