dollarsandcheese said:

Timmy84 said:

I knew your font sounded familiar.

I had a feeling awhile ago you caught on that it might be me. Lol.

Yeah I was thinking "is that who I think it is?" But I forgot to quote you then. But yeah, I see you mane!

[Edited 3/5/12 11:26am]

CrabalockerFishwife said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

At least this means we'll get some new music soon.

That's what I was thinking... but maybe not - it says this hacking supposedly happened last April. Surely the songs would've leaked by now.

Whoever has it, is probably waiting for the right time.

Timmy84 said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

Yeah, I thought the "50,000 music files" was a bit strange..

[Edited 3/5/12 1:43am]

Yeah. And I doubt Michael even had THAT many...

i disagree, i dont think there are 50,000 NEW material..

but i think that if you combine ALL of michaels demo's of each song, ALL the different versions of each song,ALL motown outtakes, ALL outtakes from his solo records, and ALL the songs he recorded in his spare time. i would guess close to that.

dm3857 said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah. And I doubt Michael even had THAT many...

i disagree, i dont think there are 50,000 NEW material..

but i think that if you combine ALL of michaels demo's of each song, ALL the different versions of each song,ALL motown outtakes, ALL outtakes from his solo records, and ALL the songs he recorded in his spare time. i would guess close to that.

Motown keep their shit on lockdown... And Sony would have to know about copyright protection... I don't think 50,000 songs of his were leaked. Maybe six, or seven at the most. But 50,000?

If this doesn't put a smile on your face, nothing will.

NaughtyKitty said:

Michael Jackson Sony back catalog stolen by hackers

(CBS News) Two men in the U.K. have allegedly been arrested for illegally downloading 50,000 tracks from Sony's collection of Michael Jackson's back catalog, the Sunday Times reported.

According to the BBC, 26-year-old James Marks and 25-year-old James McCormick are the alleged offenders and were arrested last May. The two have reportedly been released on bail, with a trial scheduled for Jan. 2013. There's no indication that the men are associated with the hacking group Anonymous or LulzSec.

Jackson's entire back catalog was compromised, the latest report says. Sony purchased the rights from the Jackson estate in 2010 for $200 million to complete 10 projects over seven years,Billboard reported. The deal included permission to distribute previously unreleased tracks from "Thriller," "Bad" and "Off the Wall."

While the suspects have been apprehended, the damage may have already been done. If the files reach cyberspace, it will likely cheat the Jackson estate from the opportunity to release the rare tracks on their own terms. There's no information on whether or not any other Sony artists' catalogs were compromised. If so, the likes of Jimi Hendrix, Leonard Cohen and the Foo Fighters may also be victims of the transgression.

The actual crime happened last April when the Sony PlayStation Network was hack and shut down for 23 days due to hackers breaching the company's servers. Personal data from about 77 million customers were compromised in the cyber attack, including names, home addresses, birthdays, usernames and passwords. Sony apologized to customers and offered free identity theft protection services.

Hacking group LulzSec took credit for the security breach. In the following months, Sony Music Japan, Sony Online Entertainment, Sony Ericsson's online store and Sony Computer Entertainment Developer Network were all hacked.

According to CNET, there's no indication that Jackson's songs have circulated on the Internet yet.

http://www.cbsnews.com/83...y-hackers/

Michael Jackson Song Files Stolen by Hackers, Sony Confirms

http://www.billboard.com/...8152.story

[Edited 3/5/12 8:56am]

Come on baby, leak those Will.I.Am tracks. I don't have forever

Wonderful MJ tribute on the Got To Dance final this weekend from judge Ashley Banjo with Diversity.

Timmy84 said:

dm3857 said:

i disagree, i dont think there are 50,000 NEW material..

but i think that if you combine ALL of michaels demo's of each song, ALL the different versions of each song,ALL motown outtakes, ALL outtakes from his solo records, and ALL the songs he recorded in his spare time. i would guess close to that.

Motown keep their shit on lockdown... And Sony would have to know about copyright protection... I don't think 50,000 songs of his were leaked. Maybe six, or seven at the most. But 50,000?

Re-reading one of the news stories, it claims not all 50,000 stolen files are Michael Jackson. it says "50,000 music files including Michael Jackson's entire back catalogue". Still don't know if the story is true..

Okay, just read about 30 pages over at MJJC about this incident. It appears the tracks were stolen by 2 members from that site. Seems like they ONLY got the 12 Cascio tracks. Nothing Will.I.Am or Freddy Mercury like the article states. So it would seem like they really didn't steal any unreleased tracks by MJ, only the fake Cascio's.

Derek1984 said:

Okay, just read about 30 pages over at MJJC about this incident. It appears the tracks were stolen by 2 members from that site. Seems like they ONLY got the 12 Cascio tracks. Nothing Will.I.Am or Freddy Mercury like the article states. So it would seem like they really didn't steal any unreleased tracks by MJ, only the fake Cascio's.

Thats basically what I was saying yep. And like I said the sooner we hear those cascio tracks the more it reduces the chance it will end up on a future MJ album............win win

dollarsandcheese said:

Derek1984 said:

Okay, just read about 30 pages over at MJJC about this incident. It appears the tracks were stolen by 2 members from that site. Seems like they ONLY got the 12 Cascio tracks. Nothing Will.I.Am or Freddy Mercury like the article states. So it would seem like they really didn't steal any unreleased tracks by MJ, only the fake Cascio's.

Thats basically what I was saying yep. And like I said the sooner we hear those cascio tracks the more it reduces the chance it will end up on a future MJ album............win win

"Hold My Hand" ended up on MICHAEL and it was the first single.. so I don't think leaks will keep those songs from being released.. hopefully common sense will tell them not to release something they know most of MJs fans don't want.

Derek1984 said:

Okay, just read about 30 pages over at MJJC about this incident. It appears the tracks were stolen by 2 members from that site. Seems like they ONLY got the 12 Cascio tracks. Nothing Will.I.Am or Freddy Mercury like the article states. So it would seem like they really didn't steal any unreleased tracks by MJ, only the fake Cascio's.

Wow

Nice mix.

where are the songs? if they were stolen last year....

leaked better to be left on sony's hand , they are professional in destroying songs !

i'm a loser and people of the world are a hint of what might have been stolen! leak that shit already !

seeingvoices12 said:

where are the songs? if they were stolen last year....

leaked better to be left on sony's hand , they are professional in destroying songs !

i'm a loser and people of the world are a hint of what might have been stolen! leak that shit already !

I hope those two songs are put on the next album (hopefully not altered too much, or at all). Those two, and "Blue Gangsta" are the only leaks so far that I've been really excited about. The cascio songs, authenticity aside, just aren't that good - they don't need to be on the next album. If anything, save those for 50 years down the road when you're scraping the barrel.

dollarsandcheese said:

Derek1984 said:

Okay, just read about 30 pages over at MJJC about this incident. It appears the tracks were stolen by 2 members from that site. Seems like they ONLY got the 12 Cascio tracks. Nothing Will.I.Am or Freddy Mercury like the article states. So it would seem like they really didn't steal any unreleased tracks by MJ, only the fake Cascio's.

Thats basically what I was saying yep. And like I said the sooner we hear those cascio tracks the more it reduces the chance it will end up on a future MJ album............win win

^^ Loved that dance tribute from Got To Dance, thanks for posting. It's nice to see some fresh choreography for MJ tribute

Wow, hackers? MJ fans...must be quite talented...lol, but does Sony really only have 1 copy of those songs that once they get stolen they honestly have nothing left? I doubt it...

Emancipation89 said:

^^ Loved that dance tribute from Got To Dance, thanks for posting. It's nice to see some fresh choreography for MJ tribute

Wow, hackers? MJ fans...must be quite talented...lol, but does Sony really only have 1 copy of those songs that once they get stolen they honestly have nothing left? I doubt it...

CrabalockerFishwife said:

"Hold My Hand" ended up on MICHAEL and it was the first single.. so I don't think leaks will keep those songs from being released.. hopefully common sense will tell them not to release something they know most of MJs fans don't want.

Hold My Hand isn't Cascio track though...

What I was saying is... a song leaking doesn't prevent it from being released on an official album. Whoever I was responding to said that if the songs leak, they probably won't be put on an album.

I hate the sticky topic ..... but in such moments, I realize that it is needed, otherwise this section will be drowned in the wars, battles and conflicts ... the presence of MJ in the section "Music: Non-Prince" is too strong. A kind of desperation ...

I'd like to know more about those Cascio tracks... What I mean is who paid for them? Was it Sony or the Estate? And did the party that paid for them actually listen to them BEFORE they bought them off the Cascio's? I'm just confused about how the whole process what down.

Whatever the case, my guess is $ony forced those Cascio tracks out because of the investment and they thought the sound would be radio friendly.

Derek1984 said:

Whatever the case, my guess is $ony forced those Cascio tracks out because of the investment and they thought the sound would be radio friendly.

I doubt it, being that "Breaking News" was only a promotional single; and the other two weren't singles at all. Clearly Sony didn't think there was hit potential in those songs, or they would've been singles.

CrabalockerFishwife said:

Derek1984 said:

Whatever the case, my guess is $ony forced those Cascio tracks out because of the investment and they thought the sound would be radio friendly.

I doubt it, being that "Breaking News" was only a promotional single; and the other two weren't singles at all. Clearly Sony didn't think there was hit potential in those songs, or they would've been singles.

The other Cascio tracks weren't singles because of the instant outrage from fans saying they were fake. Sony had no choice but not to release them as singles. It was so bad, an official statement had to be released defending the authenticity of the tracks. Otherwise, I think they would've been released as singles. Why else do you think they slapped 50 Cent on one of them? Sony intended them to be hits. They really thought they could pull it off.

Derek1984 said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

I doubt it, being that "Breaking News" was only a promotional single; and the other two weren't singles at all. Clearly Sony didn't think there was hit potential in those songs, or they would've been singles.

The other Cascio tracks weren't singles because of the instant outrage from fans saying they were fake. Sony had no choice but not to release them as singles. It was so bad, an official statement had to be released defending the authenticity of the tracks. Otherwise, I think they would've been released as singles. Why else do you think they slapped 50 Cent on one of them? Sony intended them to be hits. They really thought they could pull it off.

Sony knew better than to pull that shit...

Timmy84 said:

Derek1984 said:

The other Cascio tracks weren't singles because of the instant outrage from fans saying they were fake. Sony had no choice but not to release them as singles. It was so bad, an official statement had to be released defending the authenticity of the tracks. Otherwise, I think they would've been released as singles. Why else do you think they slapped 50 Cent on one of them? Sony intended them to be hits. They really thought they could pull it off.

Sony knew better than to pull that shit...

They really thought MJ fans are THAT desperate and dumb Backfired BIG time... looking forward to the new music

MJ's conversations with glenda, his children, and his husband sam .. they are rewatching enough..... The First time that I find all the complete transcriptions

He’s 32 here so this is sometime between August 29th 1990 – August 29th 1991

Conversation between Sam and Michael

MJ: If you don’t know. I don’t know.
S: Well.you know what you gotta go and find out.
MJ: I can’t afford to mess up
S: Really? you can’t afford to not to, take a chance…?… Yes you can. I think, I mean you can’t be completely totally alone… I think that when you’re totally ready …?…Who’s hurt you the most in your life?
MJ: Excuse me?
S: Who’s hurt you the most?
MJ: People that I…(I trust?) they hurt me?….
S: Oh really, who’s hurt you the most?
MJ: Lots of people… (i)
S: She didn’t mean to, though?
MJ: (I)
S: Really?
MJ: When she started making a game out of it and [she knew that I was (I) and lied to me….(I can’t hear this part)…and tried to…]
S: Who else? What about you manager guys?
MJ: Excuse me?
S: What about your, who’s your manager’s name?
MJ: Who?
S: The one that really hurt you…his name’s Frank or something.
MJ: Who, Tate?
S: No, your manager, your manager, your
MJ: Frank Dileo?
S: Yeah.
MJ: That was different. That was a business relationship.
S: Was that just like uh, he didn’t hurt you, he just uh, you just had a parting of the ways?
MJ: He tried to get too controlling.
S: That was just, uh, that was just business.
MJ: I don’t remember…?…(mumbles)
S: Mike, trust me. You can trust me. Who else has hurt you? You don’t have that many people with you.
MJ: What difference does it make?
S: Well, I hope I’m not one of them.
MJ: (I) (I’m going to (I))
S: Well you have
MJ: (i)
S: Well, you are. Maybe you should die.
MJ: Maybe I should die?
S: In the media
MJ: What?
S: Maybe you should die in the media?
MJ: (Laughs uncomfortably) Naw.
S: Imitates being an announcer “(See or the)…?…Michael Jackson.” (Then they’ll knock themselves out on TV getting you to die in a video.) Imitates being an announcer again [We (i) a surprising time of him on tape (i) Michael Jackson’s ghost. Hidden behind a curtain… And running from Elvis (i)]
MJ: (laughs awkwardly) It’s going to be the British.
S: I’m going to run you out of this city.
MJ: Why?
S: Cuz I’m mean Jackson.
MJ: For real?
S: I’m going to run you out of this city Jackson.
MJ: Say what?
S: I said I’m going to run you out of this city if you outlive me.
MJ: You’re not gonna outlive me.
S: Hey, I’m 33. You’re 32.
MJ: …?….(I)
S: Huh? What?
MJ: Sometimes it’s hard for me to get close to people. What would it have been like if I wasn’t Michael Jackson…?…Would there…(I bad tape quality)?….Joseph…?…But you know that I’m not gonna hurt you ….. You know I would never hurt you. You know, you know that, right?
S: Yea
MJ: But you know that I wouldn’t hurt you.
S: …?…(I)
MJ: That’s the billion dollar question, Yes, but you know that…it’s just a game.
S: ? would I (I)
MJ: ? it’s just a game.
S: Oh, in the media?
MJ: As far as being, um
S: As far as having a relationship? Is the baby moving?
MJ: (Laughs uncomfortably) No, we’re careful, there’s no babies. The way you feel, don’t you know better, don’t you know that, no matter what, that I don’t want, I don’t want to do anything to hurt you all?
S: We know that.
MJ: No, I’m serious. You don’t understand. No matter what. I don’t.
S: I know you don’t. And everything’s good. You’ve always been good to me and I think you’re waking up. If I ever thought that you’d, uh, was being other than, you know, just you know just genuine, we wouldn’t have the relationship we have. I have no doubts about that.
MJ: About, that I don’t want to hurt you all?
S: Yeah. never been, never been an issue.
MJ: But no matter what, I mean, nothing, I don’t want to hurt you people.
S: (Have you even been in this kind of relationships?)
MJ: No, this is the real (thing??)…
S: …individuals you were with?
MJ: Its real messy and they’re mean.
S: How about people outside the business?
MJ: At the same time, it’s hard. It’s hard to be friends with someone who’s not in the business because they don’t see, they don’t, they don’t understand, it’s different…?…and so
S: I have a lot of empathy for you.
MJ: No.
S: Yes I do. I, Uh, I would think that, uh, after talking to you I had the strongest feeling yesterday that the fact that you are who you are and, uh, that you have to put up this front and there’s plenty of people pulling you in so many directions. It’s uh, you have to smile when the cameras are on and, uh, it’s very lonely. You’ve said it yourself so many times. It’s lonely–
MJ: It’s pretend. It’s like the 2300, like the video, like the mini-series, like growing up um with Motown and they tell you, they prep you. Like living with Diane (he calls her Diane here, not Diana). They tell you what to say, what not to say. The lies I had to tell. Um. Diana. Diana discovered the Jacksons. That wasn’t true. She did not discover us. But it’s publicity. It’s pretend.
S: Who discovered you really?
MJ: Bobby Taylor and we went to a party and, uh, Gladys Knight. Diana, Diane had nothin’ to do with it.
S: I guess she was just the big name at the time huh?
MJ: And then I was supposed to be a certain age. Well, I, Okay, like, when I first came out, I had to lie about my age, but
S: How come?
MJ: Because it’s publicity. You don’t understand.
S: How old were you? How old were you and how old did you say you were?
MJ: I said I was 10 and I was 11.
S: How come that would make a difference?
MJ: Think about it. Think about it because (squeals in high voice) Oh! Oh he’s only 10 years old!
S: Imitates same squeal They say, oh oh you’re only –
MJ: No, you have to lie about things. You have to cover up. You have to act like all that stuff that happened with, with Joseph and stuff. It’s like we’re supposed to be the perfect family, you know, because they putting your name out there and stuff and, uh, they’re supposed to you know, look good because it sells records and it attracts people. And the stories, well, they used to come out with when we were little. There was this one story, some magazine. I think it was “16” magazine back then. I was 13. and they lying and they have all these really weird kinda stories like Michael made this handicapped girl walk again because she saved Chester the cat. There was no Chester the cat. It was just lies. It was just…
S: they make you lie?
MJ: It sells, you know?
S: It sells records?
MJ: “Oh look what a fantastic person he is. You saved this girl’s life. She almost got run over by a lawn mower and she walked.” and
S: …like that dying little black boy?…
MJ: Pardon?
S: …?…that dying little black kid. Is it true how much of a the little dying black boy…dying child …dying kid…?…comes to get you, (I) Michael Jackson, famous kid.
MJ: It’s like, “the Jackson family, they’re so wholesome and we all took pictures together back in the Jackson 5 days with Motown and stuff like that. We were all so close and Joseph was, you know, Papa Joe”. You know. And then LaToya told the truth (LaToya’s book was published in ’91 revealed the extent of the abuse and she made statement in the media revealing the sexual abuse that occurred in the family). They portray everything you know, because of publicity. “The Jackson family. They lived in a ghetto in Gary, Indiana and they made it and they’re so tight knit.” Tight knit , my ass.
S: Laughs. Well, some of your family’s pretty tight knit though? Your brothers are pretty tight knit? No?

Destiny Tour New Orleans 1979 (full concert!)

If only this and other concerts got a proper DVD release

claudiax said:

MJ's conversations with glenda, his children, and his husband sam .. they are rewatching enough..... The First time that I find all the complete transcriptions

He’s 32 here so this is sometime between August 29th 1990 – August 29th 1991

Conversation between Sam and Michael

MJ: If you don’t know. I don’t know.
S: Well.you know what you gotta go and find out.
MJ: I can’t afford to mess up
S: Really? you can’t afford to not to, take a chance…?… Yes you can. I think, I mean you can’t be completely totally alone… I think that when you’re totally ready …?…Who’s hurt you the most in your life?
MJ: Excuse me?
S: Who’s hurt you the most?
MJ: People that I…(I trust?) they hurt me?….
S: Oh really, who’s hurt you the most?
MJ: Lots of people… (i)
S: She didn’t mean to, though?
MJ: (I)
S: Really?
MJ: When she started making a game out of it and [she knew that I was (I) and lied to me….(I can’t hear this part)…and tried to…]
S: Who else? What about you manager guys?
MJ: Excuse me?
S: What about your, who’s your manager’s name?
MJ: Who?
S: The one that really hurt you…his name’s Frank or something.
MJ: Who, Tate?
S: No, your manager, your manager, your
MJ: Frank Dileo?
S: Yeah.
MJ: That was different. That was a business relationship.
S: Was that just like uh, he didn’t hurt you, he just uh, you just had a parting of the ways?
MJ: He tried to get too controlling.
S: That was just, uh, that was just business.
MJ: I don’t remember…?…(mumbles)
S: Mike, trust me. You can trust me. Who else has hurt you? You don’t have that many people with you.
MJ: What difference does it make?
S: Well, I hope I’m not one of them.
MJ: (I) (I’m going to (I))
S: Well you have
MJ: (i)
S: Well, you are. Maybe you should die.
MJ: Maybe I should die?
S: In the media
MJ: What?
S: Maybe you should die in the media?
MJ: (Laughs uncomfortably) Naw.
S: Imitates being an announcer “(See or the)…?…Michael Jackson.” (Then they’ll knock themselves out on TV getting you to die in a video.) Imitates being an announcer again [We (i) a surprising time of him on tape (i) Michael Jackson’s ghost. Hidden behind a curtain… And running from Elvis (i)]
MJ: (laughs awkwardly) It’s going to be the British.
S: I’m going to run you out of this city.
MJ: Why?
S: Cuz I’m mean Jackson.
MJ: For real?
S: I’m going to run you out of this city Jackson.
MJ: Say what?
S: I said I’m going to run you out of this city if you outlive me.
MJ: You’re not gonna outlive me.
S: Hey, I’m 33. You’re 32.
MJ: …?….(I)
S: Huh? What?
MJ: Sometimes it’s hard for me to get close to people. What would it have been like if I wasn’t Michael Jackson…?…Would there…(I bad tape quality)?….Joseph…?…But you know that I’m not gonna hurt you ….. You know I would never hurt you. You know, you know that, right?
S: Yea
MJ: But you know that I wouldn’t hurt you.
S: …?…(I)
MJ: That’s the billion dollar question, Yes, but you know that…it’s just a game.
S: ? would I (I)
MJ: ? it’s just a game.
S: Oh, in the media?
MJ: As far as being, um
S: As far as having a relationship? Is the baby moving?
MJ: (Laughs uncomfortably) No, we’re careful, there’s no babies. The way you feel, don’t you know better, don’t you know that, no matter what, that I don’t want, I don’t want to do anything to hurt you all?
S: We know that.
MJ: No, I’m serious. You don’t understand. No matter what. I don’t.
S: I know you don’t. And everything’s good. You’ve always been good to me and I think you’re waking up. If I ever thought that you’d, uh, was being other than, you know, just you know just genuine, we wouldn’t have the relationship we have. I have no doubts about that.
MJ: About, that I don’t want to hurt you all?
S: Yeah. never been, never been an issue.
MJ: But no matter what, I mean, nothing, I don’t want to hurt you people.
S: (Have you even been in this kind of relationships?)
MJ: No, this is the real (thing??)…
S: …individuals you were with?
MJ: Its real messy and they’re mean.
S: How about people outside the business?
MJ: At the same time, it’s hard. It’s hard to be friends with someone who’s not in the business because they don’t see, they don’t, they don’t understand, it’s different…?…and so
S: I have a lot of empathy for you.
MJ: No.
S: Yes I do. I, Uh, I would think that, uh, after talking to you I had the strongest feeling yesterday that the fact that you are who you are and, uh, that you have to put up this front and there’s plenty of people pulling you in so many directions. It’s uh, you have to smile when the cameras are on and, uh, it’s very lonely. You’ve said it yourself so many times. It’s lonely–
MJ: It’s pretend. It’s like the 2300, like the video, like the mini-series, like growing up um with Motown and they tell you, they prep you. Like living with Diane (he calls her Diane here, not Diana). They tell you what to say, what not to say. The lies I had to tell. Um. Diana. Diana discovered the Jacksons. That wasn’t true. She did not discover us. But it’s publicity. It’s pretend.
S: Who discovered you really?
MJ: Bobby Taylor and we went to a party and, uh, Gladys Knight. Diana, Diane had nothin’ to do with it.
S: I guess she was just the big name at the time huh?
MJ: And then I was supposed to be a certain age. Well, I, Okay, like, when I first came out, I had to lie about my age, but
S: How come?
MJ: Because it’s publicity. You don’t understand.
S: How old were you? How old were you and how old did you say you were?
MJ: I said I was 10 and I was 11.
S: How come that would make a difference?
MJ: Think about it. Think about it because (squeals in high voice) Oh! Oh he’s only 10 years old!
S: Imitates same squeal They say, oh oh you’re only –
MJ: No, you have to lie about things. You have to cover up. You have to act like all that stuff that happened with, with Joseph and stuff. It’s like we’re supposed to be the perfect family, you know, because they putting your name out there and stuff and, uh, they’re supposed to you know, look good because it sells records and it attracts people. And the stories, well, they used to come out with when we were little. There was this one story, some magazine. I think it was “16” magazine back then. I was 13. and they lying and they have all these really weird kinda stories like Michael made this handicapped girl walk again because she saved Chester the cat. There was no Chester the cat. It was just lies. It was just…
S: they make you lie?
MJ: It sells, you know?
S: It sells records?
MJ: “Oh look what a fantastic person he is. You saved this girl’s life. She almost got run over by a lawn mower and she walked.” and
S: …like that dying little black boy?…
MJ: Pardon?
S: …?…that dying little black kid. Is it true how much of a the little dying black boy…dying child …dying kid…?…comes to get you, (I) Michael Jackson, famous kid.
MJ: It’s like, “the Jackson family, they’re so wholesome and we all took pictures together back in the Jackson 5 days with Motown and stuff like that. We were all so close and Joseph was, you know, Papa Joe”. You know. And then LaToya told the truth (LaToya’s book was published in ’91 revealed the extent of the abuse and she made statement in the media revealing the sexual abuse that occurred in the family). They portray everything you know, because of publicity. “The Jackson family. They lived in a ghetto in Gary, Indiana and they made it and they’re so tight knit.” Tight knit , my ass.
S: Laughs. Well, some of your family’s pretty tight knit though? Your brothers are pretty tight knit? No?

What is that? And isn't Glenda a woman? Are those the phone conversations?

dag said:

claudiax said:

MJ's conversations with glenda, his children, and his husband sam .. they are rewatching enough..... The First time that I find all the complete transcriptions

He’s 32 here so this is sometime between August 29th 1990 – August 29th 1991

Conversation between Sam and Michael

MJ: If you don’t know. I don’t know.
S: Well.you know what you gotta go and find out.
MJ: I can’t afford to mess up
S: Really? you can’t afford to not to, take a chance…?… Yes you can. I think, I mean you can’t be completely totally alone… I think that when you’re totally ready …?…Who’s hurt you the most in your life?
MJ: Excuse me?
S: Who’s hurt you the most?
MJ: People that I…(I trust?) they hurt me?….
S: Oh really, who’s hurt you the most?
MJ: Lots of people… (i)
S: She didn’t mean to, though?
MJ: (I)
S: Really?
MJ: When she started making a game out of it and [she knew that I was (I) and lied to me….(I can’t hear this part)…and tried to…]
S: Who else? What about you manager guys?
MJ: Excuse me?
S: What about your, who’s your manager’s name?
MJ: Who?
S: The one that really hurt you…his name’s Frank or something.
MJ: Who, Tate?
S: No, your manager, your manager, your
MJ: Frank Dileo?
S: Yeah.
MJ: That was different. That was a business relationship.
S: Was that just like uh, he didn’t hurt you, he just uh, you just had a parting of the ways?
MJ: He tried to get too controlling.
S: That was just, uh, that was just business.
MJ: I don’t remember…?…(mumbles)
S: Mike, trust me. You can trust me. Who else has hurt you? You don’t have that many people with you.
MJ: What difference does it make?
S: Well, I hope I’m not one of them.
MJ: (I) (I’m going to (I))
S: Well you have
MJ: (i)
S: Well, you are. Maybe you should die.
MJ: Maybe I should die?
S: In the media
MJ: What?
S: Maybe you should die in the media?
MJ: (Laughs uncomfortably) Naw.
S: Imitates being an announcer “(See or the)…?…Michael Jackson.” (Then they’ll knock themselves out on TV getting you to die in a video.) Imitates being an announcer again [We (i) a surprising time of him on tape (i) Michael Jackson’s ghost. Hidden behind a curtain… And running from Elvis (i)]
MJ: (laughs awkwardly) It’s going to be the British.
S: I’m going to run you out of this city.
MJ: Why?
S: Cuz I’m mean Jackson.
MJ: For real?
S: I’m going to run you out of this city Jackson.
MJ: Say what?
S: I said I’m going to run you out of this city if you outlive me.
MJ: You’re not gonna outlive me.
S: Hey, I’m 33. You’re 32.
MJ: …?….(I)
S: Huh? What?
MJ: Sometimes it’s hard for me to get close to people. What would it have been like if I wasn’t Michael Jackson…?…Would there…(I bad tape quality)?….Joseph…?…But you know that I’m not gonna hurt you ….. You know I would never hurt you. You know, you know that, right?
S: Yea
MJ: But you know that I wouldn’t hurt you.
S: …?…(I)
MJ: That’s the billion dollar question, Yes, but you know that…it’s just a game.
S: ? would I (I)
MJ: ? it’s just a game.
S: Oh, in the media?
MJ: As far as being, um
S: As far as having a relationship? Is the baby moving?
MJ: (Laughs uncomfortably) No, we’re careful, there’s no babies. The way you feel, don’t you know better, don’t you know that, no matter what, that I don’t want, I don’t want to do anything to hurt you all?
S: We know that.
MJ: No, I’m serious. You don’t understand. No matter what. I don’t.
S: I know you don’t. And everything’s good. You’ve always been good to me and I think you’re waking up. If I ever thought that you’d, uh, was being other than, you know, just you know just genuine, we wouldn’t have the relationship we have. I have no doubts about that.
MJ: About, that I don’t want to hurt you all?
S: Yeah. never been, never been an issue.
MJ: But no matter what, I mean, nothing, I don’t want to hurt you people.
S: (Have you even been in this kind of relationships?)
MJ: No, this is the real (thing??)…
S: …individuals you were with?
MJ: Its real messy and they’re mean.
S: How about people outside the business?
MJ: At the same time, it’s hard. It’s hard to be friends with someone who’s not in the business because they don’t see, they don’t, they don’t understand, it’s different…?…and so
S: I have a lot of empathy for you.
MJ: No.
S: Yes I do. I, Uh, I would think that, uh, after talking to you I had the strongest feeling yesterday that the fact that you are who you are and, uh, that you have to put up this front and there’s plenty of people pulling you in so many directions. It’s uh, you have to smile when the cameras are on and, uh, it’s very lonely. You’ve said it yourself so many times. It’s lonely–
MJ: It’s pretend. It’s like the 2300, like the video, like the mini-series, like growing up um with Motown and they tell you, they prep you. Like living with Diane (he calls her Diane here, not Diana). They tell you what to say, what not to say. The lies I had to tell. Um. Diana. Diana discovered the Jacksons. That wasn’t true. She did not discover us. But it’s publicity. It’s pretend.
S: Who discovered you really?
MJ: Bobby Taylor and we went to a party and, uh, Gladys Knight. Diana, Diane had nothin’ to do with it.
S: I guess she was just the big name at the time huh?
MJ: And then I was supposed to be a certain age. Well, I, Okay, like, when I first came out, I had to lie about my age, but
S: How come?
MJ: Because it’s publicity. You don’t understand.
S: How old were you? How old were you and how old did you say you were?
MJ: I said I was 10 and I was 11.
S: How come that would make a difference?
MJ: Think about it. Think about it because (squeals in high voice) Oh! Oh he’s only 10 years old!
S: Imitates same squeal They say, oh oh you’re only –
MJ: No, you have to lie about things. You have to cover up. You have to act like all that stuff that happened with, with Joseph and stuff. It’s like we’re supposed to be the perfect family, you know, because they putting your name out there and stuff and, uh, they’re supposed to you know, look good because it sells records and it attracts people. And the stories, well, they used to come out with when we were little. There was this one story, some magazine. I think it was “16” magazine back then. I was 13. and they lying and they have all these really weird kinda stories like Michael made this handicapped girl walk again because she saved Chester the cat. There was no Chester the cat. It was just lies. It was just…
S: they make you lie?
MJ: It sells, you know?
S: It sells records?
MJ: “Oh look what a fantastic person he is. You saved this girl’s life. She almost got run over by a lawn mower and she walked.” and
S: …like that dying little black boy?…
MJ: Pardon?
S: …?…that dying little black kid. Is it true how much of a the little dying black boy…dying child …dying kid…?…comes to get you, (I) Michael Jackson, famous kid.
MJ: It’s like, “the Jackson family, they’re so wholesome and we all took pictures together back in the Jackson 5 days with Motown and stuff like that. We were all so close and Joseph was, you know, Papa Joe”. You know. And then LaToya told the truth (LaToya’s book was published in ’91 revealed the extent of the abuse and she made statement in the media revealing the sexual abuse that occurred in the family). They portray everything you know, because of publicity. “The Jackson family. They lived in a ghetto in Gary, Indiana and they made it and they’re so tight knit.” Tight knit , my ass.
S: Laughs. Well, some of your family’s pretty tight knit though? Your brothers are pretty tight knit? No?

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