Surprisingly, I am gonna go with Secret. It's one of my all time Madonna favourites, while Scream has never been a favourite MJ song of mine. The Scream video is better though.

V10LETBLUES said:

Secret by FAR.

Mj was good until Thriller. End of story. Madonna continued to grow as an artist. Mj is the proverbial man-child, and the epitome of stunted growth an development. Artistic and otherwise. I cannot listen to any of his post Thriller music. Just beneath me. Madonna, while not the epitome of artistic genius, kept on growing.

Is there really a correlation between your enjoyment of the music and an artist's personal growth? Because...reality does not reflect your statement in the least.

Though, I like both artists...I am cool with both songs. They are pretty good imo even though I don't listen to them as much.

SoulAlive said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Mj was good until Thriller. End of story. Madonna continued to grow as an artist. Mj is the proverbial man-child, and the epitome of stunted growth an development. Artistic and otherwise. I cannot listen to any of his post Thriller music. Just beneath me. Madonna, while not the epitome of artistic genius, kept on growing.

I agree with much of what you said.Michael Jackson was an incredible artist and performer,but I honestly didn't hear alot of artistic growth in his post-Thriller work.It would have been really cool if he could have dropped the 'King Of Pop' nonsense and went in totally different directions,musicially.Ray Of Light was unlike anything Madonna had done previously.

"King of Pop" wasn't like his alter-ego. He didn't even call himself that.

I think MJ is VERY grown as a songwriter in the 90s, compared with 80s.

Stranger in Moscow, will you be there, Earth Song - among the best songs he created for his entire career.

History - a dark, aggressive, angry album. It is unlike any previous one.

I much prefer his work 90s.

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LiLi1992 said:

I think MJ is VERY grown as a songwriter in the 90s, compared with 80s.

Stranger in Moscow, will you be there, Earth Song - among the best songs he created for his entire career.

History - a dark, aggressive, angry album. It is unlike any previous one.

I much prefer his work 90s.

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Yeah this.

So, considering that, I just think that the whole 'he hasn't grown as an artist since Thriller' argument is kinda moot. HIStory and Thriller don't even sound anything alike imo. I also always thought that MJ's music always reflected the times save for HIStory.

I think that they both grew as artists. I never listen to any of their albums and ever thought to myself; "Wow...this sounds like the same shit on the other albums I just heard."

alphastreet said:

RKJCNE said:

I agree with the statement that MJ never actually grew as an artist, all his post Thriller work sounded like he was trying to one up himself rather than actually break new ground. Non of his post thriller stuff sounds as fresh or as inventive as Off The Wall or Thriller. IMHO.

He never would have done Morphine, Is It Scary, Scream, Stranger in Moscow or Will You Be There during those two eras.

When I think of songs like Scream, Stranger and Earth Song especially, I think of grandiose ideas that topple over themselves. He had such great melodies and big ideas, but I don't think the product ever turned out as great as the idea behind it.

RKJCNE said:

alphastreet said:

He never would have done Morphine, Is It Scary, Scream, Stranger in Moscow or Will You Be There during those two eras.

When I think of songs like Scream, Stranger and Earth Song especially, I think of grandiose ideas that topple over themselves. He had such great melodies and big ideas, but I don't think the product ever turned out as great as the idea behind it.

See??
Music - a subjective thing!
Because personally I think these two songs is better than any that has recorded Madge in her life.

Scream is really not very good song.

LiLi1992 said:

RKJCNE said:

When I think of songs like Scream, Stranger and Earth Song especially, I think of grandiose ideas that topple over themselves. He had such great melodies and big ideas, but I don't think the product ever turned out as great as the idea behind it.

See??
Music - a subjective thing!
Because personally I think these two songs is better than any that has recorded Madge in her life.

Scream is really not very good song.

smoothcriminal12 said:

LiLi1992 said:

See??
Music - a subjective thing!
Because personally I think these two songs is better than any that has recorded Madge in her life.

Scream is really not very good song.

But it's true, Mr. President!

LiLi1992 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

But it's true, Mr. President!

He refuses to acknowledge.

RKJCNE said:

I agree with the statement that MJ never actually grew as an artist, all his post Thriller work sounded like he was trying to one up himself rather than actually break new ground. Non of his post thriller stuff sounds as fresh or as inventive as Off The Wall or Thriller. IMHO.

This coming from someone who worships Beyonce, Rihanna, Lady Gaga and Madonna.

I dont take this seriously at all or anything you say really

If this shit aint funny I dont know what is...LOL

IMO... you think trash music is great and good music is wack LOL You dont have to like anything after Thriller but that comment was just funny as hell LOL

Your either one... dont listen to Michael Jackson

Two, dont listen to enough Michael Jackson

or three... to lost in the pits of generic material to tell the difference between quality versus bafoonery... Not trying to be hard on you love but sometimes you say some of the most ridiculous shit on the planet..

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Id rather sing along to SECRET.

mjscarousal said:

RKJCNE said:

I agree with the statement that MJ never actually grew as an artist, all his post Thriller work sounded like he was trying to one up himself rather than actually break new ground. Non of his post thriller stuff sounds as fresh or as inventive as Off The Wall or Thriller. IMHO.

This coming from someone who worships Beyonce, Rihanna, Lady Gaga and Madonna.

I dont take this seriously at all or anything you say really

If this shit aint funny I dont know what is...LOL

IMO... you think trash music is great and good music is wack LOL You dont have to like anything after Thriller but that comment was just funny as hell LOL

Your either one... dont listen to Michael Jackson

Two, dont listen to enough Michael Jackson

or three... to lost in the pits of generic material to tell the difference between quality versus bafoonery... Not trying to be hard on you love but sometimes you say some of the most ridiculous shit on the planet..

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I don't see why expressing an opinion on Michael Jackson upsets you so much, or why you constantly attack me.

Either way you'd better calm down.

mjscarousal said:

RKJCNE said:

I agree with the statement that MJ never actually grew as an artist, all his post Thriller work sounded like he was trying to one up himself rather than actually break new ground. Non of his post thriller stuff sounds as fresh or as inventive as Off The Wall or Thriller. IMHO.

This coming from someone who worships Beyonce, Rihanna, Lady Gaga and Madonna.

I dont take this seriously at all or anything you say really

If this shit aint funny I dont know what is...LOL

IMO... you think trash music is great and good music is wack LOL You dont have to like anything after Thriller but that comment was just funny as hell LOL

Your either one... dont listen to Michael Jackson

Two, dont listen to enough Michael Jackson

or three... to lost in the pits of generic material to tell the difference between quality versus bafoonery... Not trying to be hard on you love but sometimes you say some of the most ridiculous shit on the planet..

[Edited 10/10/11 7:50am]

Spot on!

mjscarousal said:

RKJCNE said:

I agree with the statement that MJ never actually grew as an artist, all his post Thriller work sounded like he was trying to one up himself rather than actually break new ground. Non of his post thriller stuff sounds as fresh or as inventive as Off The Wall or Thriller. IMHO.

This coming from someone who worships Beyonce, Rihanna, Lady Gaga and Madonna.

I dont take this seriously at all or anything you say really

If this shit aint funny I dont know what is...LOL

IMO... you think trash music is great and good music is wack LOL You dont have to like anything after Thriller but that comment was just funny as hell LOL

Your either one... dont listen to Michael Jackson

Two, dont listen to enough Michael Jackson

or three... to lost in the pits of generic material to tell the difference between quality versus bafoonery... Not trying to be hard on you love but sometimes you say some of the most ridiculous shit on the planet..

[Edited 10/10/11 7:50am]

It was absolutely NOT cute!

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While I think that MJ as a whole is much better and more talented music artist....,in any case, music - a matter of taste, REALLY!

What's the big difference? (is a rhetorical question )
Michael a lot of his adult most famous hits (Don `t stop..., Billie Jean, Beat it, Dirty Diana, Smooth criminal, The way you make me feel, Earth song ... etc) wrote himself (without co-authors) , so many songs in the same style. Very much authorship.
Question: do you like his style? If not, I understand your position.

Madonna herself did not write her big hits, she always connects to the work of co-authors, so there is the work of several people, the songs are more varied.
Personally, I respect her first album "Madonna" more than others, because she really wrote the songs. This is artistic album, her creation.

The question is, what do you prefer?

All people are different, have different musical tastes.

RKJCNE said:

mjscarousal said:

This coming from someone who worships Beyonce, Rihanna, Lady Gaga and Madonna.

I dont take this seriously at all or anything you say really

If this shit aint funny I dont know what is...LOL

IMO... you think trash music is great and good music is wack LOL You dont have to like anything after Thriller but that comment was just funny as hell LOL

Your either one... dont listen to Michael Jackson

Two, dont listen to enough Michael Jackson

or three... to lost in the pits of generic material to tell the difference between quality versus bafoonery... Not trying to be hard on you love but sometimes you say some of the most ridiculous shit on the planet..

[Edited 10/10/11 7:50am]

I don't see why expressing an opinion on Michael Jackson upsets you so much, or why you constantly attack me.

Either way you'd better calm down.

I dont constantly attack you. YOU constantly say dumbass shit lol I have a right to express my opinion as well and thats all I did.. I dont know how in Gods name you expect for ANYBODY to take any of your music opinions seriously when you go on rants about how Rhinna is this or that and Beyonce music is great BUT got the fuckin audacity to say MICHAEL JACKSON did not show no growth as an artist AFTER Thriller?? Are you feeling okay buddy? Or have you lost your marbles... You constantly praise artists who make generic pop garbage but then say some wack ass shit that Michael Jackson did not grow as a artist... Well fuck if History or Dangerous is bland then what the hell makes any of Rhinna albums or Beyonce.. you show biasedness and lack to be open minded in your opinions. I dont care if you ever listen to Michael Jackson or even like him but I will not sit here and just allow you to say outlandish shit. Their are folks who are not even fans of MJ admit that Michael showed growth even if they thought his material wasnt as great as Off The Wall etc..

alphastreet said:

Beyonce and Rihanna BETTER than mjj??? *smh and grabs popcorn*

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No comparison. "Secret" all day, everyday.

IMO, "Scream" is one of Michael's most unremarkable hits. It's contrived, loud/grating, overproduced and basically obnoxious. I can barely stand listening to it. I remember a radio DJ being interviewed about the song and him basically saying everyone at the station found it annoying, but gave it its obligatory spins because of the name-value, but very quickly they retired it from rotation.

I hate "Scream", it sounds too early-90s (even like a Dangerous leftover), too agressive, bitter, forced, messy...

chamber said:

No comparison. "Secret" all day, everyday.

IMO, "Scream" is one of Michael's most unremarkable hits. It's contrived, loud/grating, overproduced and basically obnoxious. I can barely stand listening to it. I remember a radio DJ being interviewed about the song and him basically saying everyone at the station found it annoying, but gave it its obligatory spins because of the name-value, but very quickly they retired it from rotation.

"Chart wise" Scream peaked. But I like the music though and the fact that brother and sister were together on a track. But something about "Secret" is infectious to me.

chamber said:

No comparison. "Secret" all day, everyday.

IMO, "Scream" is one of Michael's most unremarkable hits. It's contrived, loud/grating, overproduced and basically obnoxious. I can barely stand listening to it. I remember a radio DJ being interviewed about the song and him basically saying everyone at the station found it annoying, but gave it its obligatory spins because of the name-value, but very quickly they retired it from rotation.

chamber said:

No comparison. "Secret" all day, everyday.

IMO, "Scream" is one of Michael's most unremarkable hits. It's contrived, loud/grating, overproduced and basically obnoxious. I can barely stand listening to it. I remember a radio DJ being interviewed about the song and him basically saying everyone at the station found it annoying, but gave it its obligatory spins because of the name-value, but very quickly they retired it from rotation.

I'm with you. Scream was just not as good as You Are Not Alone / They Don't Care About Us

smoothcriminal12 said:

chamber said:

No comparison. "Secret" all day, everyday.

IMO, "Scream" is one of Michael's most unremarkable hits. It's contrived, loud/grating, overproduced and basically obnoxious. I can barely stand listening to it. I remember a radio DJ being interviewed about the song and him basically saying everyone at the station found it annoying, but gave it its obligatory spins because of the name-value, but very quickly they retired it from rotation.

OT but I still don't get the big deal about Tyler...

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Timmy84 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

OT but I still don't get the big deal about Tyler...

[Edited 10/10/11 11:02am]

Overhyped and overrated. There's plenty of rap/hip hop artists in the game that are making much better music than he is, IMHO.

RKJCNE said:

I agree with the statement that MJ never actually grew as an artist, all his post Thriller work sounded like he was trying to one up himself rather than actually break new ground. Non of his post thriller stuff sounds as fresh or as inventive as Off The Wall or Thriller. IMHO.

Then you should pick up the dangerous album. Thats still one of the best new jack swing albums. Madonna has gotten by off hype. Not talent and her music isn't that great

JoeTyler said:

chamber said:

No comparison. "Secret" all day, everyday.

IMO, "Scream" is one of Michael's most unremarkable hits. It's contrived, loud/grating, overproduced and basically obnoxious. I can barely stand listening to it. I remember a radio DJ being interviewed about the song and him basically saying everyone at the station found it annoying, but gave it its obligatory spins because of the name-value, but very quickly they retired it from rotation.

I'm with you. Scream was just not as good as You Are Not Alone / They Don't Care About Us

And not as good as Earth Song, Stranger in Moscow .....etc.
I do not like this song (I will say a terrible thing: I do not like the video too, but admit that it was an event with all the special effects).

I love History, but this is one of the least favorite song on this album.

I do not understand why we have to choose between two such mediocre songs.

Marlena58 said:

RKJCNE said:

I agree with the statement that MJ never actually grew as an artist, all his post Thriller work sounded like he was trying to one up himself rather than actually break new ground. Non of his post thriller stuff sounds as fresh or as inventive as Off The Wall or Thriller. IMHO.

Then you should pick up the dangerous album. Thats still one of the best new jack swing albums. Madonna has gotten by off hype. Not talent and her music isn't that great

smoothcriminal12 said:

Timmy84 said:

OT but I still don't get the big deal about Tyler...

[Edited 10/10/11 11:02am]

Overhyped and overrated. There's plenty of rap/hip hop artists in the game that are making much better music than he is, IMHO.

Real true. I heard one song and was NOT impressed.

Marlena58 said:

RKJCNE said:

I agree with the statement that MJ never actually grew as an artist, all his post Thriller work sounded like he was trying to one up himself rather than actually break new ground. Non of his post thriller stuff sounds as fresh or as inventive as Off The Wall or Thriller. IMHO.

Then you should pick up the dangerous album. Thats still one of the best new jack swing albums. Madonna has gotten by off hype. Not talent and her music isn't that great