Timmy84 said:

Both.

Secret

"Secret"

I never liked "Scream" at all.I got tired of Michael's "angry singing voice",where he sounds pissed off.Alot of his post-'Bad' singles were like that.

I'll take "Secret" any day of the week! Better song, better video, stands the test of time better!.....Next?

Arnotts said:

RKJCNE said:

Three decade defining albums, with huge amounts of critical acclaim. The first two also made it into Rolling Stones top 500 albums of all time.

I wouldnt really lump COADF with the other two either. The lyrics are probably the weakest on any of her albums along with AL, which really wrecks the album for me, and some of the melodies are just dire. I agree with whoever said its shows how weak her music has gotten when its considered her best one from this decade. (I would in fact give that title to Music even though I generally group it in with her 90's albums).

I would actually agree that Music is a better album than COADF, I often consider it my favorite Madonna CD. I simply used COADF as an example because it is more universally accalimed than Music. As for the lyrics being weak, I don't see it as a CD that needs the lyrical depth of the two others pictured, it's a pure disco/rave/dance record! but I do love the lyrics to Future Love, Like it or Not and Let It Will Be.

However if Madonna's next CD has more songs along the same lyrical meaning of 4 minutes, jump, celebration, beat goes on, etc. I will upset. Enough already!

Scream is a cool mf song and kicks madonnas buttcheeks....

RKJCNE said:

Arnotts said:

I wouldnt really lump COADF with the other two either. The lyrics are probably the weakest on any of her albums along with AL, which really wrecks the album for me, and some of the melodies are just dire. I agree with whoever said its shows how weak her music has gotten when its considered her best one from this decade. (I would in fact give that title to Music even though I generally group it in with her 90's albums).

I would actually agree that Music is a better album than COADF, I often consider it my favorite Madonna CD. I simply used COADF as an example because it is more universally accalimed than Music. As for the lyrics being weak, I don't see it as a CD that needs the lyrical depth of the two others pictured, it's a pure disco/rave/dance record! but I do love the lyrics to Future Love, Like it or Not and Let It Will Be.

However if Madonna's next CD has more songs along the same lyrical meaning of 4 minutes, jump, celebration, beat goes on, etc. I will upset. Enough already!

Sorry but you can't faults with an album and then call it defining. Just doesn't work. BTW: I would vote this album as leaps and bounds over Madge's if you want a consistent dance album from an 80's artist. And yet, this ain't the Dance album of the decade either...not by a stretch.

sosgemini said:

RKJCNE said:

I would actually agree that Music is a better album than COADF, I often consider it my favorite Madonna CD. I simply used COADF as an example because it is more universally accalimed than Music. As for the lyrics being weak, I don't see it as a CD that needs the lyrical depth of the two others pictured, it's a pure disco/rave/dance record! but I do love the lyrics to Future Love, Like it or Not and Let It Will Be.

However if Madonna's next CD has more songs along the same lyrical meaning of 4 minutes, jump, celebration, beat goes on, etc. I will upset. Enough already!

Sorry but you can't faults with an album and then call it defining. Just doesn't work. BTW: I would vote this album as leaps and bounds over Madge's if you want a consistent dance album from an 80's artist. And yet, this ain't the Dance album of the decade either...not by a stretch.

And I don't find any faults in it! Love Cyndi's album too though!

Secret by FAR.

Mj was good until Thriller. End of story. Madonna continued to grow as an artist. Mj is the proverbial man-child, and the epitome of stunted growth an development. Artistic and otherwise. I cannot listen to any of his post Thriller music. Just beneath me. Madonna, while not the epitome of artistic genius, kept on growing.

V10LETBLUES said:

Secret by FAR.

Mj was good until Thriller. End of story. Madonna continued to grow as an artist. Mj is the proverbial man-child, and the epitome of stunted growth an development. Artistic and otherwise. I cannot listen to any of his post Thriller music. Just beneath me. Madonna, while not the epitome of artistic genius, kept on growing.

It's like you stole those words right outta my mouth, you speak my language!

Scream easily.

I'm sorry, I'm just not into Madonna's vocals. I'd take Michael Jackson singing the alphabet over her.

V10LETBLUES said:

Secret by FAR.

Mj was good until Thriller. End of story. Madonna continued to grow as an artist. Mj is the proverbial man-child, and the epitome of stunted growth an development. Artistic and otherwise. I cannot listen to any of his post Thriller music. Just beneath me. Madonna, while not the epitome of artistic genius, kept on growing.

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SoulAlive said:

"Secret"

I never liked "Scream" at all.I got tired of Michael's "angry singing voice",where he sounds pissed off.Alot of his post-'Bad' singles were like that.

yup

smoothcriminal12 said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Secret by FAR.

Mj was good until Thriller. End of story. Madonna continued to grow as an artist. Mj is the proverbial man-child, and the epitome of stunted growth an development. Artistic and otherwise. I cannot listen to any of his post Thriller music. Just beneath me. Madonna, while not the epitome of artistic genius, kept on growing.

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AlexdeParis said:

Love both, but I'm picking "Secret." It's the best song on that rather lackluster album (at least by her high standards). "Scream" is overshadowed by "Stranger in Moscow," "They Don't Care About Us," and others. As for Confessions on a Dance Floor, it's my 2nd favorite Madonna album after her masterpiece, Ray of Light. It's great listen from start to finish (or even longer if you add stuff like "Fighting Spirit" and "Keep the Trance").

Two outtakes that shit on just about everything on Hard Candy!

Wouldn't the proper comparison by Stranger In Moscow vs Secret? Similar tempos.....

Both are amazing songs, how dare you do this to me?

I'm a fan of both , as they are in my top 3. Scream has the best music video in the world and I love dancing to it and how futuristic it is though I don't call it the best song of his career. I like the flyte tyme mix a little better than the original too though I love that.

Secret is one of Madonna's best songs of her career and very melodic and contemporary for it's time. I also remember loving a remix of it in the 90's.

Oh man I don't know which one to pick, I'm secretly screaming

Ok, I'm going with Scream!

And Confessions rocks start to finish!

the comparison does not compute in my head. But if i had to pick one I'd pick "Secret" just on personal taste.

V10LETBLUES said:

Secret by FAR.

Mj was good until Thriller. End of story. Madonna continued to grow as an artist. Mj is the proverbial man-child, and the epitome of stunted growth an development. Artistic and otherwise. I cannot listen to any of his post Thriller music. Just beneath me. Madonna, while not the epitome of artistic genius, kept on growing.

Madonna really continues to grow (ie, continued to grow until 1998, it was her peak) , but I doubt very much that one day she will reach the level of Michael. Gulf so far!
On talent, I generally keep quiet, there is no competition at all.

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bboy87 said:

Wouldn't the proper comparison by Stranger In Moscow vs Secret? Similar tempos.....

Stranger In Moscow

Beautiful song.

V10LETBLUES said:

Secret by FAR.

Mj was good until Thriller. End of story. Madonna continued to grow as an artist. Mj is the proverbial man-child, and the epitome of stunted growth an development. Artistic and otherwise. I cannot listen to any of his post Thriller music. Just beneath me. Madonna, while not the epitome of artistic genius, kept on growing.

You don't have to like it, but you cant claim MJ didnt grow as an artist.

HuMpThAnG said:

TotalAlisa said:

this must be a joke!!!

who isn't going to pick scream

not picking it

this one all day

Me too, this has become one of my all-time favourite Madonna songs over the last few years. The other singles from HIStory were much better than 'Scream' imo, although the video is cool.

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LiLi1992 said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Secret by FAR.

Mj was good until Thriller. End of story. Madonna continued to grow as an artist. Mj is the proverbial man-child, and the epitome of stunted growth an development. Artistic and otherwise. I cannot listen to any of his post Thriller music. Just beneath me. Madonna, while not the epitome of artistic genius, kept on growing.

Madonna really continues to grow (ie, continued to grow until 1998, it was her peak) , but I doubt very much that one day she will reach the level of Michael. Gulf so far!
On talent, I generally keep quiet, there is no competition at all.

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which level?? Madonna is still the most famous and best selling female artist, just like Michael is the most famous and best selling male artist(or wait.... Elvis is that right?)

xLiberiangirl said:

LiLi1992 said:

Madonna really continues to grow (ie, continued to grow until 1998, it was her peak) , but I doubt very much that one day she will reach the level of Michael. Gulf so far!
On talent, I generally keep quiet, there is no competition at all.

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which level?? Madonna is still the most famous and best selling female artist, just like Michael is the most famous and best selling male artist(or wait.... Elvis is that right?)

I mean the artistic level.
Madonna mediocre singer, average dancer, not a strong songwriter (how many songs Madonna has written independently, without co? / we all know how big stars to write songs co-written / 5? 6?
How many her big hits Madonna wrote independently?

I see that talent is no longer in vogue.

I respect Madonna as a strong personality and a workaholic, but she is very overrated artist.
__________________
Worldwide? Jackson - the most successful solo artist in history.
Though very far behind the Beatles. Fab Four is unattainable!

V10LETBLUES said:

Mj was good until Thriller. End of story. Madonna continued to grow as an artist. Mj is the proverbial man-child, and the epitome of stunted growth an development. Artistic and otherwise. I cannot listen to any of his post Thriller music. Just beneath me. Madonna, while not the epitome of artistic genius, kept on growing.

I agree with much of what you said.Michael Jackson was an incredible artist and performer,but I honestly didn't hear alot of artistic growth in his post-Thriller work.It would have been really cool if he could have dropped the 'King Of Pop' nonsense and went in totally different directions,musicially.Ray Of Light was unlike anything Madonna had done previously.

MJ and Madona both grew as artists. They kept their basic elements, but experimented with them in different times. Maybe they sounded similar briefly in the 80's, but it didn't stay that way after. And michael did some songs in the 90's that he never would have in the 80's, and has tons of underrated songs and vocals in the 70's , people always leave that out. Additionally, it's really lame to say Madonna is not an artist cause of co-writing. MJ may have written a lot of his own stuff, but he has co-wrriten LOTS of songs, maybe even more than what he wrote though there was involvement, and he has songs that were given to him to sing, and later on, some songs would just have a few words changed and he would get credit. Let's not fool ourselves. I'm not discrediting him by saying all this, but these are facts, so if you're an MJ fan putting down Madonna, know your shit first!

Regarding that Scream single cover, I have the one with the blue background, the remixes are AMAZING!

I agree with the statement that MJ never actually grew as an artist, all his post Thriller work sounded like he was trying to one up himself rather than actually break new ground. Non of his post thriller stuff sounds as fresh or as inventive as Off The Wall or Thriller. IMHO.

SoulAlive said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Mj was good until Thriller. End of story. Madonna continued to grow as an artist. Mj is the proverbial man-child, and the epitome of stunted growth an development. Artistic and otherwise. I cannot listen to any of his post Thriller music. Just beneath me. Madonna, while not the epitome of artistic genius, kept on growing.

I agree with much of what you said.Michael Jackson was an incredible artist and performer,but I honestly didn't hear alot of artistic growth in his post-Thriller work.It would have been really cool if he could have dropped the 'King Of Pop' nonsense and went in totally different directions,musicially.Ray Of Light was unlike anything Madonna had done previously.

yup, again

RKJCNE said:

I agree with the statement that MJ never actually grew as an artist, all his post Thriller work sounded like he was trying to one up himself rather than actually break new ground. Non of his post thriller stuff sounds as fresh or as inventive as Off The Wall or Thriller. IMHO.

He never would have done Morphine, Is It Scary, Scream, Stranger in Moscow or Will You Be There during those two eras.