Whitney is more popular than Prince and I think she is probably one step below Madonna in terms of name power. But then again, I don't know, I think if they both showed up to the same event it would be a battle for the spotlight. But Whitney has accomplished a lot, and I think as she continues to work and move past that dark period in her life she will begin to rebuild her brand. But let's not act silly here, she may not be compared to the other three, but she has her own lane and has influenced many singers to follow.

SquirrelMeat said:

You are missing point.

The thread asked why people don't mention Whitney when they mention Madonna, Prince and MJ.

The reason is, she is simply not held in high regard. Its nothing to do with sales, otherwise Prince would be a lot further down any list.

You are waving receipts like you have proved something. It doesn't prove anything because to the vast majority to not put her in the same league. She is just a singer, when there are some artist who do a whole lot more.

And you are even trying the "color" card to defend the crack whore!

No No No.... Whitney isnt no MJ or Madonna as far as popularity goes and she not as talented as prince musically or MJ. HOWEVER, Whitney has accomplished alot in her career and has made a impact. She is influential and has a catalogue of classics. She was an amazing singer and IS regarded as an Icon.

I always find it so hilarious the hate this woman gets on this board. I mean yea she did sadly mess up a great career and voice but that doesnt suddenly erase her ENTIRE legacy and accomplishments. I dont see how her being a crack whore has ANYTHING to do with her MUSIC, accomplishments or the amazing voice she once had. She deserves WAY more credit and Whitney IS more popular than Prince.

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mjscarousal said:

She deserves WAY more credit and Whitney IS more popular than Prince.

She's as iconic as Barbara and Celine.

As for more popular than Prince. You don't really think Whitney could pull off 21 nights in LA or London do you?????? Thats if she could pull herself away from her crack pipe for that long.

And her drug use does play a big part like it or not.

SquirrelMeat said:

mjscarousal said:

She's as iconic as Barbara and Celine.

As for more popular than Prince. You don't really think Whitney could pull off 21 nights in LA or London do you?????? Thats if she could pull herself away from her crack pipe for that long.

And her drug use does play a big part like it or not.

Agree!

jsluva said:

Whitney is more popular than Prince and I think she is probably one step below Madonna in terms of name power. But then again, I don't know, I think if they both showed up to the same event it would be a battle for the spotlight. But Whitney has accomplished a lot, and I think as she continues to work and move past that dark period in her life she will begin to rebuild her brand. But let's not act silly here, she may not be compared to the other three, but she has her own lane and has influenced many singers to follow.

Ha ha! I take you you mean just in the bubble of the USA??

Ask 100 teenagers in Europe if they have heard of with Whitney or Madonna and I think you will find 100 will answer the same way.

Same goes for Janet Jackson. She is not the world icon the US think she is.

Thank you and I can't at someone whose only comeback is to label someone a 'crack whore' but forget about all the mess that has entailed Madonna's and MJ's life but no name calling there. could it be a racist and anti-feminine rant! Hmmm...

A foolish mouth utters what that mind is about! Prince.org is a microcosm and doesn't represent the true world. Let Whitney show up anywhere and she gets standing Ovations as has been the case at every event she officially attened 2009 to 2011.

The receipts to the 'uneducated fool' was to show some of the posters here who dismissed her legacy,c alled her just a lounge singer, a singer with only 3 yrs of global reign, denied how popular she was in both the 80s and 90s and basically denied her impact.

In Whitney's lane, R&b/gospel she is mor popular than madonna, in the pop world, madonna is. she is absolutely more popular globally than Prince. I'd say with MJ's death, he is more popular than all 3.They all did drugs , call them all drug whores/and pimps if you are gonna keep it all the way real! Don't be selective in your hate.

SquirrelMeat said:

jsluva said:

Whitney is more popular than Prince and I think she is probably one step below Madonna in terms of name power. But then again, I don't know, I think if they both showed up to the same event it would be a battle for the spotlight. But Whitney has accomplished a lot, and I think as she continues to work and move past that dark period in her life she will begin to rebuild her brand. But let's not act silly here, she may not be compared to the other three, but she has her own lane and has influenced many singers to follow.

Ha ha! I take you you mean just in the bubble of the USA??

Ask 100 teenagers in Europe if they have heard of with Whitney or Madonna and I think you will find 100 will answer the same way.

Same goes for Janet Jackson. She is not the world icon the US think she is.

What a stupid comparison! I never said she was more popular than Madonna, said more than Prince and if those teens watch any version of Idol or X-Factor those teens surely know who Whitney Houston is as her songs are covered more so than Madonna songs. And their parents, who actually purchase cds damn skippy know who she is. BTW, whitney's move' The Bodgyguard' made her an extra global star and many, many people even who may not have been fans of her songs, know her through that movie.

Flip the script, ask any urban kid who Whitney is vs Madonna and I'd bet they would say 10xs over who Whitney is.

SquirrelMeat said:

mjscarousal said:

She's as iconic as Barbara and Celine.

As for more popular than Prince. You don't really think Whitney could pull off 21 nights in LA or London do you?????? Thats if she could pull herself away from her crack pipe for that long.

And her drug use does play a big part like it or not.

Touring and selling albums can be to different things as well as charting on the charts. She had 10 shows at the O2 that did very well. I don't think she could sell out 21 dates in the state her vocals are now. Even if she were to improve it which she is, that is not her forte to top Prince touring record.

By the same toke, Prince releasing a cd wouldn't sell what she sold or chart the way she did. Prince starring in the movie isnt' gonna get people to buy tickets the way that Whitney has in her 3 movies or the viewership she brought in with 'Cinderella' and if she does Exhale sequel, next year that will smash always.

to be compared to Barbra Streisand is an honor as she is only the best selling female in the US, has won grammys, oscars, tonis, golden globes and every imaginable honor there is.

Whitney hasn't had all of those accolades but 6 Grammys, 2 Emmys, the female with the most American Music Awards 22, the female with the 2nd highest Billbaord Awards, numerous first awards from BEt, NAACP awards, etc her contributions have been acknowledged far and wide for her work and her ahcievements and no amount of using 'crack whore' to demean her will shit on that legacy.

I'm too mature to call Madonna a skank whore or MJ a pedaphile junkie so let's not go there. Do you also call Chaka, natalie, mary j coke whores, heroine fienes, oh the triple standard. But what else does this deranged poster have.

Can't have it both ways.

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Entertainer said:

Thank you and I can't at someone whose only comeback is to label someone a 'crack whore' but forget about all the mess that has entailed Madonna's and MJ's life but no name calling there. could it be a racist and anti-feminine rant! Hmmm...

A foolish mouth utters what that mind is about! Prince.org is a microcosm and doesn't represent the true world. Let Whitney show up anywhere and she gets standing Ovations as has been the case at every event she officially attened 2009 to 2011.

The receipts to the 'uneducated fool' was to show some of the posters here who dismissed her legacy,c alled her just a lounge singer, a singer with only 3 yrs of global reign, denied how popular she was in both the 80s and 90s and basically denied her impact.

In Whitney's lane, R&b/gospel she is mor popular than madonna, in the pop world, madonna is. she is absolutely more popular globally than Prince. I'd say with MJ's death, he is more popular than all 3.They all did drugs , call them all drug whores/and pimps if you are gonna keep it all the way real! Don't be selective in your hate.

Not being selective, just answering the question of the thread.

Love the way you somehow read "crack whore singer" into something to do with racism or sexism. I think it tells us alot about the mighty chip on your shoulder.

Like it or not, Whitney is not regarded in the same league. You just don't want to accept it.

SquirrelMeat said:

Entertainer said:

Thank you and I can't at someone whose only comeback is to label someone a 'crack whore' but forget about all the mess that has entailed Madonna's and MJ's life but no name calling there. could it be a racist and anti-feminine rant! Hmmm...

A foolish mouth utters what that mind is about! Prince.org is a microcosm and doesn't represent the true world. Let Whitney show up anywhere and she gets standing Ovations as has been the case at every event she officially attened 2009 to 2011.

The receipts to the 'uneducated fool' was to show some of the posters here who dismissed her legacy,c alled her just a lounge singer, a singer with only 3 yrs of global reign, denied how popular she was in both the 80s and 90s and basically denied her impact.

In Whitney's lane, R&b/gospel she is mor popular than madonna, in the pop world, madonna is. she is absolutely more popular globally than Prince. I'd say with MJ's death, he is more popular than all 3.They all did drugs , call them all drug whores/and pimps if you are gonna keep it all the way real! Don't be selective in your hate.

Not being selective, just answering the question of the thread.

Love the way you somehow read "crack whore singer" into something to do with racism or sexism. I think it tells us alot about the mighty chip on your shoulder.

Like it or not, Whitney is not regarded in the same league. You just don't want to accept it.

No, It's not that I don't want to accept it, It's just that i keep proiding receipts which prove you and others wrong with some of the erroneous things said about her.

You are indeed selective in that MJ did drugs,died fromd rug complication, has a storied past with little kids, settlements to the like, Madonna did coke, week drunk, slept around, exposed her body for shock value, was depicting hitch hiking naked on the road but yet you find it necessary to only label Whitney Houston a crack whore but ignore the weaknesses of the other two.

If that isn't being selective, I don't know what else. It doesn't take a genius to see that she is a woman and black. when you call all 3 out for thier failures, then you won't be labeled selective or having racist tendencies.

SquirrelMeat said:

mjscarousal said:

She's as iconic as Barbara and Celine.

As for more popular than Prince. You don't really think Whitney could pull off 21 nights in LA or London do you?????? Thats if she could pull herself away from her crack pipe for that long.

And her drug use does play a big part like it or not.

Crack whore... really? How many times you gonna say that? Lets talk like we got some sense

It has been addressed COUNTLESS of times Whitney had a drug problem like how many times do you want it to be typed out 5 million more times? That STILL does not take way from what she has accomplished and her status regardless of whatever degree you think it is. You talking like she is some 2 minute fad with no talent that didnt do anything for music. Nobody here is calling her a queen or regarding her in the same way as Prince but in her OWN RIGHT she has made an impact in music.

On Prince:

Its really not about Prince vs Whitney but people here are really downplaying Whitneys impact simply because of her drug problem which is not really good reasoning:-? She has still influenced alot of todays singers and has a catalogue of classics. She has been a tad more influential in the vocalist catagory than Prince. She has some classics that are more well known than Prince aside from When Doves Cry, Purple Rain and Kiss.. if you pull any teenager they will be able to be more knowledgable about Whitney Houston whether its for good or bad reasons.

Whitney aint Prince, Michael Jackson or Madonna but c'mon.. she is an Icon, she has some classics under her belt and was a great singer regardless of what happened to her.

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By the way Jim Morrison, janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix all died from drug issues but that doesn't demean them or take away from their legacy. Addiction is a disease that she is actively working on. The fact that she is still here actively working on beating her deamons and working on her voice should be celebrated.

BTW to show you what kind of a person whitney is, at each of her 46 dates she not only sang 'a song for you' in dedication to MJ, she spoke on his legacy, her friendship, on how people ought to be careful of how they speak on legends while they are here on earth on how he gave 5 decades of his life to music. She did that! not for the cameras but to the people where it mattered. 46 dates, with a dedication to Michael Jackson whom she called, 'her dear friend'.

Entertainer said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Not being selective, just answering the question of the thread.

Love the way you somehow read "crack whore singer" into something to do with racism or sexism. I think it tells us alot about the mighty chip on your shoulder.

Like it or not, Whitney is not regarded in the same league. You just don't want to accept it.

No, It's not that I don't want to accept it, It's just that i keep proiding receipts which prove you and others wrong with some of the erroneous things said about her.

You are indeed selective in that MJ did drugs,died fromd rug complication, has a storied past with little kids, settlements to the like, Madonna did coke, week drunk, slept around, exposed her body for shock value, was depicting hitch hiking naked on the road but yet you find it necessary to only label Whitney Houston a crack whore but ignore the weaknesses of the other two.

If that isn't being selective, I don't know what else. It doesn't take a genius to see that she is a woman and black. when you call all 3 out for thier failures, then you won't be labeled selective or having racist tendencies.

By your logic, you can't have an opinion on someone without name checking everyone else just in case. How bizarre.

There is a big difference in drug takers, and drug takers who wreck their career. I think Whitney is tragic. She's a fuck up, like Amy Winehouse and Brian Jones. A crying waste. But they do it to themselves.

Unfortunately for Whitney, in this crazy world you have to die before you are elevated out of drug scumbag into iconic figure.

I don't think Whitney is more popular than Madonna, I said she is one step below. Let's not act like the lady isn't a worldwide superstar, some of you are truly just hating. Her ILTY album was #1 on the Europe charts for multiple weeks and went #1 in several countries OUTSIDE the US. Prince couldn't do it. Her single Million Dollar Bill went #5 in the UK and her recent 2007 Whitney Houston Ultimate Collection was a top seller overseas as well. Whitney is VERY popular outside the US and in the US and her recent cd spanked all over Madonna's "Hard Candy" in the US, and her last studio album 2002 Just Whitney sold more than Madonna's 2003 "American Life" based on soundscan. Whitney is NOT on the same level as Janet Jackson worldwide and you know it. As far as ranking them worldwide and in the US, i'm going to rank it.

1.Michael

2. Madonna

3. Whitney

and Whitney and Madonna can be very exchangable in the US.

Entertainer said:

By the way Jim Morrison, janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix all died from drug issues but that doesn't demean them or take away from their legacy. Addiction is a disease that she is actively working on. The fact that she is still here actively working on beating her deamons and working on her voice should be celebrated.

BTW to show you what kind of a person whitney is, at each of her 46 dates she not only sang 'a song for you' in dedication to MJ, she spoke on his legacy, her friendship, on how people ought to be careful of how they speak on legends while they are here on earth on how he gave 5 decades of his life to music. She did that! not for the cameras but to the people where it mattered. 46 dates, with a dedication to Michael Jackson whom she called, 'her dear friend'.

And they only became legends because they died.

Jim and Jimi were fine, but there deaths created the legacy. I rate John Lee Hooker much higher. A true legend and credit to his profession.

SquirrelMeat said:

Entertainer said:

By the way Jim Morrison, janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix all died from drug issues but that doesn't demean them or take away from their legacy. Addiction is a disease that she is actively working on. The fact that she is still here actively working on beating her deamons and working on her voice should be celebrated.

BTW to show you what kind of a person whitney is, at each of her 46 dates she not only sang 'a song for you' in dedication to MJ, she spoke on his legacy, her friendship, on how people ought to be careful of how they speak on legends while they are here on earth on how he gave 5 decades of his life to music. She did that! not for the cameras but to the people where it mattered. 46 dates, with a dedication to Michael Jackson whom she called, 'her dear friend'.

And they only became legends because they died.

Jim and Jimi were fine, but there deaths created the legacy. I rate John Lee Hooker much higher. A true legend and credit to his profession.

yes in a few of the cases that's true but the bigger point is is anyone on org calling them crack whores or other demeaning names. How about living artists, Natalie Cole, Mary J Blige,Gaga, Madonna, even El Debarge I don't see spoken off in such disdaine. it makes no sense. Are people calling MJ a pedofile or druggie in this thread? Nina Simone? Arethat with her alcohol problem, Gladys with her gambling addiction, billie Holiday with heroine, Etta james with heroine, does anyone here speak of them as whores or drug whores which is especially silly as Whitney her self said in her 14years of marriage she never cheated and certainly has the money where she doens't have to pimp herself out.

jsluva said:

I don't think Whitney is more popular than Madonna, I said she is one step below. Let's not act like the lady isn't a worldwide superstar, some of you are truly just hating. Her ILTY album was #1 on the Europe charts for multiple weeks and went #1 in several countries OUTSIDE the US. Prince couldn't do it. Her single Million Dollar Bill went #5 in the UK and her recent 2007 Whitney Houston Ultimate Collection was a top seller overseas as well. Whitney is VERY popular outside the US and in the US and her recent cd spanked all over Madonna's "Hard Candy" in the US, and her last studio album 2002 Just Whitney sold more than Madonna's 2003 "American Life" based on soundscan. Whitney is NOT on the same level as Janet Jackson worldwide and you know it. As far as ranking them worldwide and in the US, i'm going to rank it.

1.Michael

2. Madonna

3. Whitney

and Whitney and Madonna can be very exchangable in the US.

This board has alot of Whitney Houston hatas

Entertainer said:

SquirrelMeat said:

And they only became legends because they died.

Jim and Jimi were fine, but there deaths created the legacy. I rate John Lee Hooker much higher. A true legend and credit to his profession.

yes in a few of the cases that's true but the bigger point is is anyone on org calling them crack whores or other demeaning names. How about living artists, Natalie Cole, Mary J Blige,Gaga, Madonna, even El Debarge I don't see spoken off in such disdaine. it makes no sense. Are people calling MJ a pedofile or druggie in this thread? Nina Simone? Arethat with her alcohol problem, Gladys with her gambling addiction, billie Holiday with heroine, Etta james with heroine, does anyone here speak of them as whores or drug whores which is especially silly as Whitney her self said in her 14years of marriage she never cheated and certainly has the money where she doens't have to pimp herself out.

El Debarge? To the rest of the world he is up there with Colonel Abrams.

Can we at least try to compare A and B listers?

SquirrelMeat said:

Entertainer said:

No, It's not that I don't want to accept it, It's just that i keep proiding receipts which prove you and others wrong with some of the erroneous things said about her.

You are indeed selective in that MJ did drugs,died fromd rug complication, has a storied past with little kids, settlements to the like, Madonna did coke, week drunk, slept around, exposed her body for shock value, was depicting hitch hiking naked on the road but yet you find it necessary to only label Whitney Houston a crack whore but ignore the weaknesses of the other two.

If that isn't being selective, I don't know what else. It doesn't take a genius to see that she is a woman and black. when you call all 3 out for thier failures, then you won't be labeled selective or having racist tendencies.

By your logic, you can't have an opinion on someone without name checking everyone else just in case. How bizarre.

There is a big difference in drug takers, and drug takers who wreck their career. I think Whitney is tragic. She's a fuck up, like Amy Winehouse and Brian Jones. A crying waste. But they do it to themselves.

Unfortunately for Whitney, in this crazy world you have to die before you are elevated out of drug scumbag into iconic figure.

your logic is garbage, your brain purulent and I believe you have a racist mind. I'm done with you. You are the worst kind of a hater, that of one with a genuine dislke for humanity. Be miserable by yourself as oftentimes haters are.

Entertainer said:

SquirrelMeat said:

By your logic, you can't have an opinion on someone without name checking everyone else just in case. How bizarre.

There is a big difference in drug takers, and drug takers who wreck their career. I think Whitney is tragic. She's a fuck up, like Amy Winehouse and Brian Jones. A crying waste. But they do it to themselves.

Unfortunately for Whitney, in this crazy world you have to die before you are elevated out of drug scumbag into iconic figure.

your logic is garbage, your brain purulent and I believe you have a racist mind. I'm done with you. You are the worst kind of a hater, that of one with a genuine dislke for humanity. Be miserable by yourself as oftentimes haters are.

Oh...you are one of those......makes sense.

mjscarousal said:

jsluva said:

I don't think Whitney is more popular than Madonna, I said she is one step below. Let's not act like the lady isn't a worldwide superstar, some of you are truly just hating. Her ILTY album was #1 on the Europe charts for multiple weeks and went #1 in several countries OUTSIDE the US. Prince couldn't do it. Her single Million Dollar Bill went #5 in the UK and her recent 2007 Whitney Houston Ultimate Collection was a top seller overseas as well. Whitney is VERY popular outside the US and in the US and her recent cd spanked all over Madonna's "Hard Candy" in the US, and her last studio album 2002 Just Whitney sold more than Madonna's 2003 "American Life" based on soundscan. Whitney is NOT on the same level as Janet Jackson worldwide and you know it. As far as ranking them worldwide and in the US, i'm going to rank it.

1.Michael

2. Madonna

3. Whitney

and Whitney and Madonna can be very exchangable in the US.

This board has alot of Whitney Houston hatas

Hear, Hear JSLUVA

never mind how her movie career is ignored like it never happened or had an impact. I can see haters hating her music or the way she sings but to deny her legacy and supress facts as if her work hasn't made an impact on a global scale or with singers or haven't been recognized is revisionism to the highest order.

the Ultimate collection with no promo sold 1.5mil copies in the UK in 2007 with no promo on the heels of Whitney: The Greatest Hits selling 10mil globablly in 2000-2001. People who are just 'singer's' don't usually have this type of continued, sustained impact. She has genuinely connected with people both here and abroad and unlike many, continues to be supported issues or not. I look forward to her movie return. It will be epic!

No one with a clear mind will deny Whitney's massive commercial success in the late 80s and early to mid 90s.

However, just like some other figures in popular music (Celine Dion comes to mind), I think she has failed to leave a lasting iconic impression within pop culture. The reason is simple: she is too watered down and too much everyone's darling and just lackes edge. I would argue that Tina Turner is the much more impressive figure if we want to discuss soul divas. Whitney's sterile act - no drugs, no sex, no rock'n'roll - is just too boring to make her iconic imo. She is like a solo R'n'B version of The Corrs.

Let's take her version of "I will always love" you as an example. This is a good song and a good cover version, for sure! Her vocal delivery is perfect! But - and that is the problem imo - it is also something you can play at your Grandma's place without her starting to complain. Try that with "Head" from Prince... While MJ will be remembered for "Thriller" and "Billie Jean", Madonna (who I don't like too much btw) for "Like a virgin" and Prince for "When doves cry" and "Kiss", she will be remembered for an adult contemporary "everyone likes me" version of an old country diva's song. That's the problem I have with her in a nutshell.

EmancipationLover said:

No one with a clear mind will deny Whitney's massive commercial success in the late 80s and early to mid 90s.

However, just like some other figures in popular music (Celine Dion comes to mind), I think she has failed to leave a lasting iconic impression within pop culture. The reason is simple: she is too watered down and too much everyone's darling and just lackes edge. I would argue that Tina Turner is the much more impressive figure if we want to discuss soul divas. Whitney's sterile act - no drugs, no sex, no rock'n'roll - is just too boring to make her iconic imo. She is like a solo R'n'B version of The Corrs.

Let's take her version of "I will always love" you as an example. This is a good song and a good cover version, for sure! Her vocal delivery is perfect! But - and that is the problem imo - it is also something you can play at your Grandma's place without her starting to complain. Try that with "Head" from Prince... While MJ will be remembered for "Thriller" and "Billie Jean", Madonna (who I don't like too much btw) for "Like a virgin" and Prince for "When doves cry" and "Kiss", she will be remembered for an adult contemporary "everyone likes me" version of an old country diva's song. That's the problem I have with her in a nutshell.

Whitney is not in that catagory... it is a difference. No she will never be remembered in that way. HOWEVER, she has build a legacy in her own right and has accomplished alot. I just think it is silly to throw that out just because of her drug problem and because her iconic status is not on a MJ, Madonna and Prince level. She has made a impact and has a nice catalogue of classics.

Entertainer said:

mjscarousal said:

This board has alot of Whitney Houston hatas

Hear, Hear JSLUVA

never mind how her movie career is ignored like it never happened or had an impact. I can see haters hating her music or the way she sings but to deny her legacy and supress facts as if her work hasn't made an impact on a global scale or with singers or haven't been recognized is revisionism to the highest order.

the Ultimate collection with no promo sold 1.5mil copies in the UK in 2007 with no promo on the heels of Whitney: The Greatest Hits selling 10mil globablly in 2000-2001. People who are just 'singer's' don't usually have this type of continued, sustained impact. She has genuinely connected with people both here and abroad and unlike many, continues to be supported issues or not. I look forward to her movie return. It will be epic!

I dont pay the haters no attention anytime somebodies arguement is to call someone a crack whore on a MUSIC FORUM give me a fuckin break

EmancipationLover said:

No one with a clear mind will deny Whitney's massive commercial success in the late 80s and early to mid 90s.

However, just like some other figures in popular music (Celine Dion comes to mind), I think she has failed to leave a lasting iconic impression within pop culture. The reason is simple: she is too watered down and too much everyone's darling and just lackes edge. I would argue that Tina Turner is the much more impressive figure if we want to discuss soul divas. Whitney's sterile act - no drugs, no sex, no rock'n'roll - is just too boring to make her iconic imo. She is like a solo R'n'B version of The Corrs.

Let's take her version of "I will always love" you as an example. This is a good song and a good cover version, for sure! Her vocal delivery is perfect! But - and that is the problem imo - it is also something you can play at your Grandma's place without her starting to complain. Try that with "Head" from Prince... While MJ will be remembered for "Thriller" and "Billie Jean", Madonna (who I don't like too much btw) for "Like a virgin" and Prince for "When doves cry" and "Kiss", she will be remembered for an adult contemporary "everyone likes me" version of an old country diva's song. That's the problem I have with her in a nutshell.

Really! now we are gonna reduce her to one classic i.e I will always love you!

i think not, she has:

Greatest Love of All

Saving All my Love

I wanna Dance with Somebody

Exhale

and certainly to a lesser extent:

My Love is Your Love

It's Not Right but It's ok

both songs which smashed WW and Domestically

take a look at the above chart and try with a straight face to say that she is only known for one classic IWALY, TF!

^^^ Why don't you just start an Whitney thread...

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When are you going to understand that sales is not everything, particularly if we talk about an iconic status of a popstar?

And btw, the idea to highlight "I will always love you" is not that bizarre imo given the fact that it was her strongest selling single ever and that it sold more than twice as much as her second most successful single. We are not talking about expert knowledge here, we are talking about what Joe Public will remember from Whitney Houston.

EmancipationLover said:

When are you going to understand that sales is not everything, particularly if we talk about an iconic status of a popstar?

And btw, the idea to highlight "I will always love you" is not that bizarre imo given the fact that it was her strongest selling single ever and that it sold more than twice as much as her second most successful single. We are not talking about expert knowledge here, we are talking about what Joe Public will remember from Whitney Houston.

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EmancipationLover said:

When are you going to understand that sales is not everything, particularly if we talk about an iconic status of a popstar?

And btw, the idea to highlight "I will always love you" is not that bizarre imo given the fact that it was her strongest selling single ever and that it sold more than twice as much as her second most successful single. We are not talking about expert knowledge here, we are talking about what Joe Public will remember from Whitney Houston.

Sales is not everything, that is true but we would both be lying if it was said that it is one important aspect of how an artist is measured.

To only highlight IWALY is bizarre in that the song was a phenomenom that probably won't ever be duplicated by her or done by any other artist. That is the point. Very, very few artist gets to have a global smash that sells over 8mil copies and impacts globally the way IWALY did. Elton John's 'candle in the wind' is the only other single to top that and that was because of sentiment due to Princess Diana's passing.

To say that she will only be known for one classic song is erroneous. She has had countless double platinum singles and what makes it even more remarkable all while selling shitloads of cds!

Her songs impact is undeniable. To put it in terms that perhaps you will understand, singers look to her to emulate and for inspiration. There is a reason why Gaga, Jesse J, Leona Lewis, Mariah, Shanice, Mya, Jennifer Hudson, Celine, Mary J Blige, Deborah Cox, Melanie Fiona, Alicia Keys, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, K Michelle,Toni Braxton and countless other singers cite her as their inspiration or one of their musical inspiration.

There is a reason why Katy Perry is covering 'i wanna dance with somebody' in concert and Jessie J is covering same song live and I have nothing on youtube. There is a reason why she is the most covered artist on American Idol, not Madonna, Janet, Mariah, Toni, MJ etc That speaks to influence and Icon status and it speaks to her music being classics and living on.

Where I lived many school graduations in the late 1980s used whitney's GLOA as their grad song. I believe in you and me is sung at weddings. HH was a huge urban smash. Stop seeing her only as a pop artist. She killed not just po genre but also urban, gospel and dance and has many hits that trascends the charts and times that is why she is to this day covered and why many people don't know that her many covers are indeed just that, covers!

and Joe Q Public does not reside at prince.org, that is what you think which is incorrect. Joe q public and Jane Doe knows many Whitney songs and can cite them including the many who think I'm every woman is her song even though it's chaka's

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purplethunder3121 said:

^^^ Why don't you just start an Whitney thread...

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Actually Whitney isn't just the only artist that I like but it's irritating to see her legacy wrongly accounted for when there are so many stats, firsts, breakcords, ground she covered and layed and standdrds that she set that says otherwise.

Sometimes people need to see the evidence before their eyes to stop spewing lies bred by dislike or hate or in the case of that one poster, racists leanings.