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PrintableTimmy84 said: Sales are only a fraction of MJ so I don't know what you're going on about, sleepy.
I like all of the eras, but something about MJ between 1978 and 1982 is precious to me. Sales are EVERYTHING! They tell a story. I'm the interpreter.
And I like.... hmmmm, I don't know what I like. He's the same person throughout, I think ppl can always return to greatness, it doesn't matter what happened, in between, so I personally don't divide artists into eras, its just a block. I will say that I liked his fashion sense during the Bad tour. He looked good in those clothes.  | |
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Timmy84 said: Sales are only a fraction of MJ so I don't know what you're going on about, sleepy.
I like all of the eras, but something about MJ between 1978 and 1982 is precious to me. [Edited 2/20/10 14:54pm] Those years were his most important and creative years musically. Without those years there will be no OTW, no Destiny or Triunph and there would have been no Thriller, which truely consolidate his legendary status. His career would have been quite hollow. They were his true vintage years. | |
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sleepyq said: Timmy84 said: Sales are only a fraction of MJ so I don't know what you're going on about, sleepy.
I like all of the eras, but something about MJ between 1978 and 1982 is precious to me. Sales are EVERYTHING! They tell a story. I'm the interpreter.
And I like.... hmmmm, I don't know what I like. He's the same person throughout, I think ppl can always return to greatness, it doesn't matter what happened, in between, so I personally don't divide artists into eras, its just a block. I will say that I liked his fashion sense during the Bad tour. He looked good in those clothes. You sound like a child, who know very little about Music. And whose views about music are hollow. In that case Brittany Spears is more legendary than Stevie Wonder, Aretha Franklin, James Brown and Prince put together, because record sales are everything in your mind!! | |
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sleepyq said: Timmy84 said: Sales are only a fraction of MJ so I don't know what you're going on about, sleepy.
I like all of the eras, but something about MJ between 1978 and 1982 is precious to me. Sales are EVERYTHING! They tell a story. I'm the interpreter.
And I like.... hmmmm, I don't know what I like. He's the same person throughout, I think ppl can always return to greatness, it doesn't matter what happened, in between, so I personally don't divide artists into eras, its just a block. I will say that I liked his fashion sense during the Bad tour. He looked good in those clothes. No they're not. | |
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The man on my avatar sold only 56 million worldwide but his music moved more than that lol sales don't define an artist, it defines a pop superstar though. Michael was both an artist and a superstar. | |
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whatsgoingon said: Timmy84 said: Sales are only a fraction of MJ so I don't know what you're going on about, sleepy.
I like all of the eras, but something about MJ between 1978 and 1982 is precious to me. [Edited 2/20/10 14:54pm] Those years were his most important and creative years musically. Without those years there will be no OTW, no Destiny or Triunph and there would have been no Thriller, which truely consolidate his legendary status. His career would have been quite hollow. They were his true vintage years.  Those were the years that defined his legend. The other albums post-Thriller only enriched it even more.  | |
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whatsgoingon said: I said it was the first 20 years that consolidated his legendary status as a musician. If we are basing his legendary status as an artist on anything from Bad onwards it wouldn't hold up, regardless of record sales. He did too little after Thriller and as much as Bad and Dangerous sold they were not innovative, groundbacking albums that changed the world. They were more hype than substance. And let's face it if it weren't for the the success of Thriller I doubt any of his subsequent albums would have sold the amount they sold in the first place. MJ himself realize that with Thriller he created a monster, which he himself was always trying to beat. After Thriller it was more about the tabloid fodder than the music. That's why when some of the fans go on about his brothers affecting his solo career it becomes laughable, as if to say it was his brothers who turnt the latter part of his life into tabloid fodder. Once again, this is all based on opinion and perception. YOU remember him for OTW/Thriller/J5, but u r just one person. U cannot base historical significance on ur own perception, is my point. Retrospective sales illustrate my point. That is about public trend, not ur own or my own personal trend. I never even mentioned what I remember him for or what I like best, because its completely insignificant. Unlike u, i realize i'm just one person, not the whole world. Had u said YOU remember him for his J5 years, i would never have replied. But u spoke for everyone. U need to understand that everyone latches onto diffferent things. U can't speak for everyone or the general piblic. Neither can I. Charts show trends of the general public likes- that's why I posted them. Anyway, u seem to be totally missing the direction of this, so I'll end this convo right here. | |
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Fugg it can't you at least talk about the MUSIC, stop thinking about sales for a minute!  That ain't what defined Michael. | |
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Timmy84 said: The man on my avatar sold only 56 million worldwide but his music moved more than that lol sales don't define an artist, it defines a pop superstar though. Michael was both an artist and a superstar.
Sales don't matter to me either, not when I'm listening to the actual music. But accuracy does matter. There's a lot of inaccuracies on this board regarding historical facts. Like the audacity of comparing the success of Purple Rain to that of Thriller. As if they're even close to the same!
"people don't remember any of the music Michael made after Thriller" is what she said. I'm telling her she's wrong. If the albums were forgotten, they would be selling like Britney Spears' debut album, aka 5k a year. Or like Whitney's 2nd album, which did an abysmal 3k. Dangerous sold 15,000 copies in 2008. Remember that Dangerous sold half of Britney's debut when it came out. So how did it manage to sell 3X hers in 08? | |
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Timmy84 said: Fugg it can't you at least talk about the MUSIC, stop thinking about sales for a minute!
That ain't what defined Michael. What music? I already said... I liked his clothes in that video he made- the one with Slash- yeah, those were nice clothes.
He owes his success to his clothes. Kanye agrees, so it is true. [Edited 2/20/10 15:44pm] | |
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Talk about the greatness of this track. I can post more if I feel if I need to. Music's my way of attacking | |
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You also worked on the recent remake of “We Are the World.” What did you think you could bring to that to make it connect to the 21st Century?
I didn’t produce that—I just added some new lyrics to it. That song is timeless, it will always be relevant. But if you’re going to benefit Haiti, I wanted to add lyrics that would represent what is actually happening there. I came from a perspective [of] what would Michael [Jackson] have said—not sung, cause I can’t sing like him—but what would he have been proud to acknowledge in a piece of art. My part got edited, altered a bit, but it still kept the essence of what I was trying to say. I know you recorded some material with Jackson when he was alive. Will the public ever get to hear that? Will it get released from the vaults? I’m not gonna release it. Why don’t want the public to hear it? I don’t think it’s fair to release unfinished material to capitalize on him passing. It’s not right. We didn’t put it out when he was alive so why should we put it out now that he’s gone? How many songs did you do with him? We wrote about six songs. "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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Timmy84 said: Talk about the greatness of this track. I can post more if I feel if I need to. Music's my way of attacking And that was post thriller so we do like his music after as well lmfaooo | |
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Timmy84 said: Talk about the greatness of this track. I can post more if I feel if I need to. Music's my way of attacking  | |
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At the end of the day each fan will have their own favourite musical period based primarily around a. when they first got into an artist and b. their own taste in music around that period.
Some view Dangerous as MJ's best, others view Off The Wall as his pinacle, for others it's Thriller, or History (rarely is it Invincible but that is more due to the weight of that album than individual tracks). And at the end of the day the albums we love more or love less are about our own musical interpretation. Some love Morphine, some don't get it - each to their own. If we want to have musical discussions (and really isn't it the music we should be discussing) then I think it's better to rank the albums you like rather than call out other people's tastes as being ridiculous. For me an album like Dangerous is brilliant (and I'm a fan from back in 1979) but it has some weak points. Looking at it as a double LP (which it was at the time) instead of a single disc does make it more cohesive, as you get the dance sides, the pop / rock sides and the gospel sides. At the end of the day it all comes down to our own tastes and what we automatically gravitate to. And hopefully through an honest discussion about why we like certain albums more, or certain songs more we can actually get exposed to something we might have missed. Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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Timmy84 said: Talk about the greatness of this track. I can post more if I feel if I need to. Music's my way of attacking This was the standout track on Blood On The Dancefloor. Everything about it was so un-MJ at the time. It was a lot harder, rawer, the beats were more aligned with Nine Inch Nails than what you would expect from MJ, and the subject matter is sadly telling. Michael was always his most innovative and artistic best when he was exploring his own demons and revealing a personal side. Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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bboy87 said: http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/02/20/the-black-eyed-peas-william-on-his-new-tour-michael-jackson-and-barack-obama/
You also worked on the recent remake of “We Are the World.” What did you think you could bring to that to make it connect to the 21st Century?
I didn’t produce that—I just added some new lyrics to it. That song is timeless, it will always be relevant. But if you’re going to benefit Haiti, I wanted to add lyrics that would represent what is actually happening there. I came from a perspective [of] what would Michael [Jackson] have said—not sung, cause I can’t sing like him—but what would he have been proud to acknowledge in a piece of art. My part got edited, altered a bit, but it still kept the essence of what I was trying to say. I know you recorded some material with Jackson when he was alive. Will the public ever get to hear that? Will it get released from the vaults? I’m not gonna release it. Why don’t want the public to hear it? I don’t think it’s fair to release unfinished material to capitalize on him passing. It’s not right. We didn’t put it out when he was alive so why should we put it out now that he’s gone? How many songs did you do with him? We wrote about six songs. One moment Will.I.Am is saying a new MJ track will be on the next Black Eyed Peas album, the next he is saying he will never release the stuff they did. I am all for holding onto unfinished tracks, but as a fan there is a part of me that wants to hear what MJ was working on. If future releases are going to happen, I would like to see the original producers of the tracks put in the due diligence to finish the production on the tracks as Michael would have wanted. Demos are one thing, but too often people forget they are rough sketches and will pass them off as weak. Songs need to evolve in the production process, sometimes be rewritten or rearranged. I just hope whom ever decides to release the backlog of tracks does so with the same care they would have if Michael was in the studio sitting next to them. How does everyone else feel? Swa "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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Swa said: bboy87 said: http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/02/20/the-black-eyed-peas-william-on-his-new-tour-michael-jackson-and-barack-obama/
One moment Will.I.Am is saying a new MJ track will be on the next Black Eyed Peas album, the next he is saying he will never release the stuff they did. I am all for holding onto unfinished tracks, but as a fan there is a part of me that wants to hear what MJ was working on. If future releases are going to happen, I would like to see the original producers of the tracks put in the due diligence to finish the production on the tracks as Michael would have wanted. Demos are one thing, but too often people forget they are rough sketches and will pass them off as weak. Songs need to evolve in the production process, sometimes be rewritten or rearranged. I just hope whom ever decides to release the backlog of tracks does so with the same care they would have if Michael was in the studio sitting next to them. How does everyone else feel? Swa I feel they need to release those DVD'S because that's all I care about. | |
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bboy87 said: http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2010/02/20/the-black-eyed-peas-william-on-his-new-tour-michael-jackson-and-barack-obama/
You also worked on the recent remake of “We Are the World.” What did you think you could bring to that to make it connect to the 21st Century?
I didn’t produce that—I just added some new lyrics to it. That song is timeless, it will always be relevant. But if you’re going to benefit Haiti, I wanted to add lyrics that would represent what is actually happening there. I came from a perspective [of] what would Michael [Jackson] have said—not sung, cause I can’t sing like him—but what would he have been proud to acknowledge in a piece of art. My part got edited, altered a bit, but it still kept the essence of what I was trying to say. I know you recorded some material with Jackson when he was alive. Will the public ever get to hear that? Will it get released from the vaults? I’m not gonna release it. Why don’t want the public to hear it? I don’t think it’s fair to release unfinished material to capitalize on him passing. It’s not right. We didn’t put it out when he was alive so why should we put it out now that he’s gone? How many songs did you do with him? We wrote about six songs. Well didn't he [Will.i.am] say that he doesn't have the vocal tracks? He kept the music while MJ kept the vocals. Will.i.am did say one of the tracks will be on the next BEP album. I'm sure the hook or lyrics will be sung by another person rather than having MJs actual vocals. | |
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Eventually they just going to make him like tupac keep releasing albums . i'm not sure if I will be buying that I don't know . [Edited 2/20/10 17:14pm] | |
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babybugz said: Eventually they just going to make him like tupac keep releasing albums . i'm not sure if I will be buying that I don't know .
[Edited 2/20/10 17:14pm] If it's music before 93, then I'll buy it (1975-1993) are the best years. | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: babybugz said: Eventually they just going to make him like tupac keep releasing albums . i'm not sure if I will be buying that I don't know .
[Edited 2/20/10 17:14pm] If it's music before 93, then I'll buy it (1975-1993) are the best years. (1975-1993) are the best years Don't start that up again | |
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babybugz said: ViintageJunkiie said: If it's music before 93, then I'll buy it (1975-1993) are the best years. (1975-1993) are the best years Don't start that up again LOL. Start what up? | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: babybugz said: (1975-1993) are the best years Don't start that up again LOL. Start what up? The best years debate | |
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babybugz said: ViintageJunkiie said: LOL. Start what up? The best years debate OOOH! LOL. I'm just saying | |
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ViintageJunkiie said: babybugz said: Eventually they just going to make him like tupac keep releasing albums . i'm not sure if I will be buying that I don't know .
[Edited 2/20/10 17:14pm] If it's music before 93, then I'll buy it (1975-1993) are the best years. I think songwriting wise, he was at his peak at 1984-1994. Dude was writing some good stuff Smooth Criminal Dirty Diana Scared of The Moon Alright Now Joy Black or White Jam Who Is It Liberian Girl Someone Put Your Hand Out Morphine Earth Song Stranger In Moscow The Way You Make Me Feel "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: ViintageJunkiie said: If it's music before 93, then I'll buy it (1975-1993) are the best years. I think songwriting wise, he was at his peak at 1984-1994. Dude was writing some good stuff Smooth Criminal Dirty Diana Scared of The Moon Alright Now Joy Black or White Jam Who Is It Liberian Girl Someone Put Your Hand Out Morphine Earth Song Stranger In Moscow The Way You Make Me Feel All of those songs are my JAMS! I still wanna know more about Scared of The Moon. No one seems to have any information on the book he was in the process of writing of the same title (i think it's the same title) | |
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