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Reply #450 posted 11/07/09 9:23am

MOL

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Randy was Michael's manager during the trial. The guy signed three documents in Michael's name (despite the fact that Michael was against him signing them) that would liquidate the estate. This put Michael severily in debt. Randy also robbed 7 millions from Michael and confessed, on trial, that he would have received 20 millions from Sony had he successfully sold the ATV catalog. Remember that Randy and one of his associates wanted to force Michael to sign some document through which the ATV catalog would be sold. When he refused to do so, Randy's associate told Mike this: "You aren't down with the blacks anyome. You are down with the jews.". According to court documents, both Randy and his pal verbally attacked Michael. Randy admitted to have done so but testified against his brother claiming that "he [Randy] had very good intentions" despite the fact that the jury later found that, had Michael signed the document, Randy would have received millions and millions under the table and Michael would be left with almost nothing.
Joseph is known for getting in trouble almost every month. During the 80's, Don King and Joe messed up the Victory Tour so badly that Michael was sued 55 times. Joe would get in trouble acting as Michael's manager (when, in fact, he wasn't) and Michael would bail him out. According to many accounts, Michael paid all Joseph's debts and lawsuits. Remember the Korean shows? Michael ended up paying the company 25 millions because Joe messed up.
All the sibling received 7 millions from the Victory tour. One year later, some of them declared bankrupcy. It is also well known that none of the brothers has/had income over the years. They chose to live off of Michael. The brothers never paid child support, their kids' school, NOTHING. Michael paid them EVERYTHING you can imagine. Michael gave his family EVERYTHING. It is also not a secret that Mike's family members are very bad when it comes to finances and being businessmen. They have no ideia how to manage their own money, choosing to spend it all with mistresses and never even catered for their own children. Michael knew this. He knew his family sucks when it comes to handle money and have no business sense whatsoever.
Besides, we all know what Randy wants to do with the estate; liquidate the assets and re-will them. Furthermore, the Jacksons would kill for 1 dollar. If Michael had left them the estate, the assets would be sold and the money distributed by Katherine's children while MJ's kids would be left WITH NOTHING and the estate would be run to the ground.

That family defines greediness and, also dumbness. If they have no ideia on how to handle their own money, how would they run a billion dollar estate?

John McClain talking about the Jacksons: "I told them me and Branca would be reading them Michael's will the following day. So, the next day I went to their Encino home and, I swear, I had never seen so many Jacksons, in one room, in my life. The entire family was in that living room eager to know what was written in the will. When I read that Miss Jackson would have access to 40% of the estate, though I didn't say it was temporarily, they started clapping, applauding, hugging, smiling and cheering. The siblings [Jackie, Tito, Rebbie, Jermaine, Marlon, Randy, Janet] wanted Mrs. Jackson to inherit 40% of the estate because they know she would re-will it to them. Michael always said they weren't good businessmen. Whenever they did business with Michael, he ended up being sued by everybody. The Jacksons are not good with money and, to be fair, that family would put Michael in trouble whenever they were in charge"

Frank Dileo:" The Jacksons showed me and Michael, throughout the years,that they are horrible with money. Michael didn't want to be businness partners with them. He wanted them to be his family and nothing more. They would always mess up and Michael told me he had no doubt they would run the estate to the ground. And, uh, it is very well-documented that they aren't always honest."
[Edited 11/7/09 8:40am]

As I read this my reaction is like eek

Michael was such a kind, naive, loving and nice person. I remember Margaret Maldonaldo comparing Michael to a God and saying that Michael is the most humble, genuine, nice and kind person she has ever met. But even his family made the guy's life a living hell... they were his worst enemies. I seriously doubt Michael ever found happiness...but he deserved to find it.
[Edited 11/7/09 9:24am]
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Reply #451 posted 11/07/09 9:29am

angel345

MOL said:

angel345 said:


As I read this my reaction is like eek

Michael was such a kind, naive, loving and nice person. I remember Margaret Maldonaldo comparing Michael to a God and saying that Michael is the most humble, genuine, nice and kind person she has ever met. But even his family made the guy's life a living hell... they were his worst enemies. I seriously doubt Michael ever found happiness...but he deserved to find it.
[Edited 11/7/09 9:24am]

MJ could have easily been a billionaire, but the reason is so obvious. I hope he has found peace, too. God bless him.
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Reply #452 posted 11/07/09 11:37am

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Wow, some little brother, huh.


The thing is...it's not just the lil' bro. Joe and Katherine are worse than Randy.

whofarted confused nutso
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Reply #453 posted 11/07/09 12:09pm

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"we make our heroes in America only to destroy them"
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Reply #454 posted 11/07/09 2:17pm

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"we make our heroes in America only to destroy them"
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Reply #455 posted 11/07/09 2:48pm

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cdcgold said:

joe cracks me up.



i truly believe he's going to die like ceily's daddy in the color purple.

"how he die?"
"(shyly)On top of me"


them two ladies on the left!
eek

i would eat them alive.
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Reply #456 posted 11/07/09 2:49pm

Timmy84

WetDream said:

cdcgold said:

joe cracks me up.



i truly believe he's going to die like ceily's daddy in the color purple.

"how he die?"
"(shyly)On top of me"


them two ladies on the left!
eek

i would eat them alive.


You would tear their pussies up? lol
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Reply #457 posted 11/07/09 3:13pm

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WetDream said:

cdcgold said:

joe cracks me up.



i truly believe he's going to die like ceily's daddy in the color purple.

"how he die?"
"(shyly)On top of me"


them two ladies on the left!
eek

i would eat them alive.


LMAO! "i just lay there while he do his business". I agree, the 2 on the left WILL be like Diana Ross and MJ and be "eaten alive"! NO MERCY!
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Reply #458 posted 11/07/09 4:35pm

angel345

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mimi07 said:

michael with his ex-girlfriend



That's Hazel in between Claymaine and Randall right?

That's one relationship you hardly hear or read about.
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Reply #459 posted 11/07/09 4:56pm

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WetDream said:

cdcgold said:

joe cracks me up.



i truly believe he's going to die like ceily's daddy in the color purple.

"how he die?"
"(shyly)On top of me"


them two ladies on the left!
eek

i would eat them alive.


You're forgettin' the girl in the orange

I'd put overtime on that! cool lol
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Reply #460 posted 11/07/09 4:57pm

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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #461 posted 11/07/09 4:57pm

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angel345 said:[quote]

musicjunky318 said:

mimi07 said:

michael with his ex-girlfriend



That's Hazel in between Claymaine and Randall right?

That's one relationship you hardly hear or read about.


true, she talked about it a couple years ago and i think michael may ave mentioned it like once.
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Reply #462 posted 11/07/09 4:58pm

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i hate spders but that's a nice pic smile
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Reply #463 posted 11/07/09 4:59pm

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musicjunky318 said:[quote]

mimi07 said:

michael with his ex-girlfriend



That's Hazel in between Claymaine and Randall right?


yes
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Reply #464 posted 11/07/09 5:47pm

Arnotts

MOL said:

musicjunky318 said:



Wow, some little brother, huh.


The thing is...it's not just the lil' bro. Joe and Katherine are worse than Randy.

I think the only reason why Katherine is so bad is because nothing will stop her from giving it to her family. I dont think shes necessarily money hungry herself, but when she gets money she just keeps on giving it to the people that have no idea how to use it wisely ie. the entire family. Thats what annoys the hell out of me about her. Shes an enabler in every way. Thats always been her problem with everything.
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Reply #465 posted 11/07/09 5:49pm

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confused @ the Katherine bashing
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Reply #466 posted 11/07/09 5:53pm

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confused @ the Katherine bashing


i know SMDH disbelief
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Reply #467 posted 11/07/09 5:55pm

Arnotts

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confused @ the Katherine bashing

I'm sure you would know more about her then most people here and you still dont get even a little mad at her? I think most people give her a pass becuase Michael loved her so much
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Reply #468 posted 11/07/09 6:02pm

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Arnotts said:

bboy87 said:

confused @ the Katherine bashing

I'm sure you would know more about her then most people here and you still dont get even a little mad at her? I think most people give her a pass becuase Michael loved her so much
[Edited 11/7/09 17:56pm]

It's not her I'm really frustrated with. It's LaToya, Joe, Jermaine, and Randy (even though he's standing his ground when it comes to the upcoming reality show and the film)

Katherine's definitely not perfect, but calling her money hungry and stuff is reaching imo

The one thing I AM frustrated with her AND the estate.....is nobody is sayin' "Okay, enough's enough" and starts suing people. They have years worth of evidence to file lawsuits against certain individuals
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Reply #469 posted 11/07/09 6:14pm

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bboy87 said:

Arnotts said:


I'm sure you would know more about her then most people here and you still dont get even a little mad at her? I think most people give her a pass becuase Michael loved her so much
[Edited 11/7/09 17:56pm]

It's not her I'm really frustrated with. It's LaToya, Joe, Jermaine, and Randy (even though he's standing his ground when it comes to the upcoming reality show and the film)

Katherine's definitely not perfect, but calling her money hungry and stuff is reaching imo

The one thing I AM frustrated with her AND the estate.....is nobody is sayin' "Okay, enough's enough" and starts suing people. They have years worth of evidence to file lawsuits against certain individuals

Yes as I said I dont think shes money hungry either, but I thought you were replying to me with the Katherine bashing thing. I don't mean to bash her but I really believe her good intentions have horrible results, and its been that way forever. And thats also what I mean, she has never said 'enough is enough', she really is an enabler. Even if her intentions are good, which I think they are. She just wants her sons to live comfortably, but she should know from the past its not a good idea to give them money, especially Joe.
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Reply #470 posted 11/07/09 6:16pm

Timmy84

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Mike was one brave mothafucka! evillol

Dare a tarantula to crawl on the side of MY face! Hell naw! lol
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Reply #471 posted 11/07/09 6:17pm

Timmy84

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confused @ the Katherine bashing


Yeah Katherine doesn't deserve the bashing. Yes I wished she could've been more in control of her household but she was afraid of Joe too in a way. She's JUST like her children. Give her a break.
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Reply #472 posted 11/07/09 6:18pm

Arnotts

Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:



Mike was one brave mothafucka! evillol

Dare a tarantula to crawl on the side of MY face! Hell naw! lol

It reminds me of that Next Top Model shoot with Eva and the spider. He was ahead of his time
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Reply #473 posted 11/07/09 6:20pm

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The one thing I AM frustrated with her AND the estate.....is nobody is sayin' "Okay, enough's enough" and starts suing people. They have years worth of evidence to file lawsuits against certain individuals



This and for the kids to be protected. Just seeing all this foolishness makes you scared for the kids.
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Reply #474 posted 11/07/09 6:24pm

Timmy84

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Mike was one brave mothafucka! evillol

Dare a tarantula to crawl on the side of MY face! Hell naw! lol

It reminds me of that Next Top Model shoot with Eva and the spider. He was ahead of his time


I forgot about that! Yeah he was... I may make this my new Twitter background, I'm gonna get some people scared and shit lol... lol
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Reply #475 posted 11/07/09 6:36pm

purplesweat

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AAAAAHHHHH! eek eek
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Reply #476 posted 11/07/09 6:54pm

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WetDream said:

cdcgold said:

joe cracks me up.



i truly believe he's going to die like ceily's daddy in the color purple.

"how he die?"
"(shyly)On top of me"


them two ladies on the left!
eek

i would eat them alive.


wetdream, I thought you were gay?

Anyway, Joe looks like a pimp.
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Reply #477 posted 11/07/09 6:58pm

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Timmy84 said:

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Mike was one brave mothafucka! evillol

Dare a tarantula to crawl on the side of MY face! Hell naw! lol

I love his face and everything, but why did I have to see THIS picture. neutral GAAHH, I HATE spiders. UGH! mad
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Reply #478 posted 11/07/09 7:03pm

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WaterInYourBath said:

Timmy84 said:



Mike was one brave mothafucka! evillol

Dare a tarantula to crawl on the side of MY face! Hell naw! lol

I love his face and everything, but why did I have to see THIS picture. neutral GAAHH, I HATE spiders. UGH! mad

I don't know which is the creepiest, the tarantula or the snakes he took pictures with.
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Reply #479 posted 11/07/09 7:18pm

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NICE! Reminds me of all those spiders on Moonwalker
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