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Reply #150 posted 09/27/09 7:57pm

BoOTyLiCioUs

Riverpoet31 said:

Thats nonsense bootylicious.

"Earth song" is the example of some naive person who thinks the world will become a better place by thinking / singing things like 'love the children' and 'if we all love eachother, it will be fine'.
MJ was utterly naive, unrealistic, simplistic. Projecting the mindstate of a 5 yo kid.

The kind of pop-lyrics that never make a difference, because they are so far out of touch with reality.


it's called a joke.
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Reply #151 posted 09/27/09 8:23pm

tonyat

midnightmover said:

MattyJam said:

My God, you talk utter shit.

I recall the endless threads where you claimed he would mime the whole tour because he couldn't even hold a note anymore and that his voice was ravaged beyond repair.
You weren't just referring to his vocal stamina - you had completely written him off and this clip proves you wrong.

Wow! After I just busted you on the "Calling Liars To Account" thread you're actually dim enough to start your dishonesty again. Pay attention. I'm going to report FACTS right now. Not opinions, like you. Verifiable facts.

Firstly, about a month before MJ died I had a LONG debate on this subject with SWA (a hardcore MJ fan). I wish I could remember the title of the thread so I could post a link, but I'm sure he remembers it and can confirm what I'm saying. Like you, he didn't seem to understand what I was saying, so he asked me to SPECIFICALLY boil it down. He then quoted back what he thought my main point was. The quote was pretty much EXACTLY what I just said here. "Michael can only sing in short bursts and even then it's not as good as it used to be". Do not take my word for this. Orgnote SWA and ask him. This is FACTUAL. If you dispute it, you are disputing FACTS.

Another thing I pointed out a million times was that Mike's voice declined the more singing he did. I said this SO MANY TIMES that if you say you can't remember it then you will be LYING BLATANTLY (something which I've already busted you for in that other thread). On EVERY ONE of his solo tours the miming increased as the tour went on and the voice deteriorated. Again, I have to stress this is a fact, not an opinion. If you are honest you'll admit it.

Lastly, another thing I said on the same thread when debating with Suga10 was that Mike's voice was so ropey that it would often go from okay to terible within the same night or even the same song. Since (unlike you) I like to back up my claims with FACTS I would point your attention to the MSG gig in 2001. Mike started with "Can You Feel It" and sounded really good. Yet on the very same night he did this... http://www.youtube.com/wa...UM80eCDlW4 It's part mimed, part live. In the live bits he sounds AWFUL. I think (again if we are being HONEST) we can agree on that.

And just to further illustrate this INDISPUTABLE point I would draw your attention to this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTPT9EBPBh0 He doesn't sound great in the first verse, but he sounds passable, yet in the second verse he sounds ABSOLUTELY AWFUL. But on the acapella bits on the end he sounds decent. This is all within the same song. Passable to awful to decent within the same song. Now, if I played you a 30 second clip of the acapella bits at the end you would say "Aha! His voice sounds okay! There you go. He's fine! No vocal problems at all!". But someone who is more knowledgable than you would say "Hmmm, need to hear a bit more than that I'm afraid". That person would be LOGICAL, since a little fragment cannot tell you the whole story, as I've just proved BEYOND ANY QUESTION with the two examples I just gave.

Let me also add that there are quite a few bad notes even in that little fragment (which is probably the best fragment they could find).


Ooh damn!
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Reply #152 posted 09/27/09 10:07pm

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Riverpoet31 said:

Thats nonsense bootylicious.

"Earth song" is the example of some naive person who thinks the world will become a better place by thinking / singing things like 'love the children' and 'if we all love eachother, it will be fine'.
MJ was utterly naive, unrealistic, simplistic. Projecting the mindstate of a 5 yo kid.

The kind of pop-lyrics that never make a difference, because they are so far out of touch with reality.


Like "Dear Mr. Man"?
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Reply #153 posted 09/27/09 10:11pm

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i take issue with saying pop music *to be good* has to have deep lyrics
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Reply #154 posted 09/28/09 9:21am

dag

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Superstition said:

Riverpoet31 said:

Thats nonsense bootylicious.

"Earth song" is the example of some naive person who thinks the world will become a better place by thinking / singing things like 'love the children' and 'if we all love eachother, it will be fine'.
MJ was utterly naive, unrealistic, simplistic. Projecting the mindstate of a 5 yo kid.

The kind of pop-lyrics that never make a difference, because they are so far out of touch with reality.


Like "Dear Mr. Man"?

Yeah, or Lennon´s Imagine or Stevie´s Ebony etc.? What type of lyric would you prefer? If You Seek Amy?
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #155 posted 09/28/09 10:07am

murph

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Riverpoet31 said:

What some people here seem to forget is that Prince at least had / has the potential, and also felt brave and free enough, to develop himself as an artist.
He might have been less commercially succesfull since the (mid) nineties, but as a composer, songwriter and musician he had seemed to found joy in playing traditional R&B, jazz and soul, both live and on an album like The Vault, he could rock out if he wanted too (on Gold and Chaos and Disorder) or experiment with jazz-rock / fusion on The Rainbow Children, without caring too much about commercial succes.
And why look to his 'lesser nineties'? He made a quirky, playfully, breezy, european-influenced album (Parade) in 1986. Taking his artistic freedom, instead of going for mainstream-concessions.

MJ has always seemed OVER-obsessed with commercial succes. Like he wanted to sell even more albums then he did with Thriller.
It werent creative and artistic values that were prevalent for him, but numbers, record sales... the bigger the better, quantity over quality. In essence, MJ did stop to evolve as a musician after Thriller... he only wanted to go for more succes, more sales, more stardom. Thats not what being a musician is about.

Of course, it made him the biggest and most popular entertainer in the world (like many here seem to repeat to a point its gets tiresome and annoying), but also a very empty one, without real soul. A sad, pathetic person lost in his one fairytales.



if u can argue a point without taking a jab at MJ personally then people can take you more seriously...you was right in some points of this argument...but why must you say so foolishly that he has to be sad and pathetic...if its one thing that MJ said that was jus the god awful truth...is that no other artist could have been through what he has been through as an artist with his career and would have survived as long as he did...you dont respect MJ as a musician..okay thats your opinion...like someone said earlier...there are tons of artists who have came forward and said a lot of them wouldnt even be in the business if it wasnt for Michael....MJ was definitely a genius in the studio....there are stories from engineers and producers who worked with him and talked about furious they were from working with michael cause he was such a perfectionist with recording...during the Thriller and Dangerous Sessions Bruce Swedien had mentioned there were times when MJ would run out of the studio crying over music if it didnt sound right...theres always the argument just because MJ does not play a million instruments like Prince it makes him less of a musician which is the dumbest argument ever...Though MJ does not play many instruments...doesnt make him less of a musician...but one thing however MJ is definitely a better songwriter...a lot of Princes music I must admit I really do not understand cause a lot of it to me makes no sense....no disrespect to Prince cause I think hes brilliant...but the funny thing about ur argument is how u said that MJ was obsessed about being a big artist and record sales etc....Prince Imo was the same way until as years progressed he became less and less significant and less popular among music fans..MJ looked at the bigger picture..of course he enjoyed making music and performing like every other dedicated musician...but he wanted EVERYONE to hear what he had to say...he wanted to touch people...he wanted to spread a message....he proved that music was more then jus setting the mood or wanting to dance...it could change lives...it could influence people to want to change the world...and love each other and come together.


Yeah, I must admit the "pathetic" statement about MJ was WAY overboard...Yes, I have criticized the fact that Mike released only two solo albums during that '80s decade...But I think MJ's ambition was a lot more complex than what Riverpoet is giving him credit for...A LOT MORE...

However, as far as your own assessment of Prince is concerned, you also may be a little off the rails as well...First, I won't even get into your whole whose the better songwriter opinion...lol...I could write a 5000 word post about that...lol....

BUT, While it's true that Prince wanted to be rich and famous just like most artists who come into the music business, the point that folks must understand is this: No hugely, iconic, popular artist in there right mind would take some of the bold chances that Prince was taking in the '80s...Let's put it this way...The man (Prince) followed up his biggest commercial success Purple Rain, a year later!..lol...Usually artists would wait at least 3 years to ride a mammoth wave of success that Prince had in 84 with a huge movie and album....But that's not the crazy part...Prince did so with a left field album like Around The World In A Day...

This had nothing to do with Prince's own diminishing sales since the ATWIAD came after his biggest commercial triumph....Basically, it was Prince who saw the big picture...Why be a slave to one album the way MJ was expected to constantly top Thriller?...In the long run, it helped Prince create distance between his own popularity...He was free to be an "artist" rather than just looked at as only a global superstar hit maker, which is the way unfortunately Sony looked at MJ...

And while, this at times wasn't fair to MJ himself, Mike didn't help his own cause with the way he went about making his albums and the lackluster tours he did after Thriller and Bad (Even a good tour like Bad was marred by lipsynching during later part of the tour). Which is the real shame because when MJ writes a GREAT, BRILLIANT song like "Stranger In Moscow," it gets unnoticed because of Mike's bigger-is-better mantra that he went by for much of his career after Thriller...
[Edited 9/28/09 10:17am]
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Reply #156 posted 09/28/09 10:16am

murph

seeingvoices12 said:

Mj was a great musician and an entertainer ....deal with it, he was responsible for writing the majority of his songs , he was a genuis composer something that many artist truly lack including prince.



LOL!!!!!Funny post...Bat shit crazy....But hilarious nonetheless...At least you're honest, homie....
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Reply #157 posted 09/28/09 11:17am

Graycap23

murph said:

mj52002 said:




if u can argue a point without taking a jab at MJ personally then people can take you more seriously...you was right in some points of this argument...but why must you say so foolishly that he has to be sad and pathetic...if its one thing that MJ said that was jus the god awful truth...is that no other artist could have been through what he has been through as an artist with his career and would have survived as long as he did...you dont respect MJ as a musician..okay thats your opinion...like someone said earlier...there are tons of artists who have came forward and said a lot of them wouldnt even be in the business if it wasnt for Michael....MJ was definitely a genius in the studio....there are stories from engineers and producers who worked with him and talked about furious they were from working with michael cause he was such a perfectionist with recording...during the Thriller and Dangerous Sessions Bruce Swedien had mentioned there were times when MJ would run out of the studio crying over music if it didnt sound right...theres always the argument just because MJ does not play a million instruments like Prince it makes him less of a musician which is the dumbest argument ever...Though MJ does not play many instruments...doesnt make him less of a musician...but one thing however MJ is definitely a better songwriter...a lot of Princes music I must admit I really do not understand cause a lot of it to me makes no sense....no disrespect to Prince cause I think hes brilliant...but the funny thing about ur argument is how u said that MJ was obsessed about being a big artist and record sales etc....Prince Imo was the same way until as years progressed he became less and less significant and less popular among music fans..MJ looked at the bigger picture..of course he enjoyed making music and performing like every other dedicated musician...but he wanted EVERYONE to hear what he had to say...he wanted to touch people...he wanted to spread a message....he proved that music was more then jus setting the mood or wanting to dance...it could change lives...it could influence people to want to change the world...and love each other and come together.


Yeah, I must admit the "pathetic" statement about MJ was WAY overboard...Yes, I have criticized the fact that Mike released only two solo albums during that '80s decade...But I think MJ's ambition was a lot more complex than what Riverpoet is giving him credit for...A LOT MORE...

However, as far as your own assessment of Prince is concerned, you also may be a little off the rails as well...First, I won't even get into your whole whose the better songwriter opinion...lol...I could write a 5000 word post about that...lol....

BUT, While it's true that Prince wanted to be rich and famous just like most artists who come into the music business, the point that folks must understand is this: No hugely, iconic, popular artist in there right mind would take some of the bold chances that Prince was taking in the '80s...Let's put it this way...The man (Prince) followed up his biggest commercial success Purple Rain, a year later!..lol...Usually artists would wait at least 3 years to ride a mammoth wave of success that Prince had in 84 with a huge movie and album....But that's not the crazy part...Prince did so with a left field album like Around The World In A Day...

This had nothing to do with Prince's own diminishing sales since the ATWIAD came after his biggest commercial triumph....Basically, it was Prince who saw the big picture...Why be a slave to one album the way MJ was expected to constantly top Thriller?...In the long run, it helped Prince create distance between his own popularity...He was free to be an "artist" rather than just looked at as only a global superstar hit maker, which is the way unfortunately Sony looked at MJ...

And while, this at times wasn't fair to MJ himself, Mike didn't help his own cause with the way he went about making his albums and the lackluster tours he did after Thriller and Bad (Even a good tour like Bad was marred by lipsynching during later part of the tour). Which is the real shame because when MJ writes a GREAT, BRILLIANT song like "Stranger In Moscow," it gets unnoticed because of Mike's bigger-is-better mantra that he went by for much of his career after Thriller...
[Edited 9/28/09 10:17am]

Excellent post.
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Reply #158 posted 09/29/09 8:20am

midnightmover

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Fiona01 said:

There's no point in trying to defend this against someone like midnightmover. He clearly has an unhealthy and passionate hatred for Michael Jackson, so he's going to call anything he does crap.

I'm the first to admit he sounded ropey on the live portions of the HIStory tour. But that was over a decade ago. He sounded a lot better during the live sections at MSG in 2001 and he sounds great here. I say it as it is, whereas haters will just blindely hate.

He had laryngitis during the HIStory tour, that's why his voice was bad.

But midnightmover will, somehow, try to convince you that Michael totally lost his voice while sucking little boy's dicks. And, if you try to defend Michael, he will immediately call you a floon with no standarts.

Back that up. Show us the source for that. You guys lie to each other so much that over time you don't even know the difference between fantasy and reality. I repeat, back up this claim. Please do not respond with diversion tactics. Respond with proof or nothing.
“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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Reply #159 posted 09/29/09 10:05am

voyevoda

midnightmover said:

MOL said:


He had laryngitis during the HIStory tour, that's why his voice was bad.

But midnightmover will, somehow, try to convince you that Michael totally lost his voice while sucking little boy's dicks. And, if you try to defend Michael, he will immediately call you a floon with no standarts.

Back that up. Show us the source for that. You guys lie to each other so much that over time you don't even know the difference between fantasy and reality. I repeat, back up this claim. Please do not respond with diversion tactics. Respond with proof or nothing.
He told me in irl....what now bitch.
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Reply #160 posted 09/29/09 10:40am

Graycap23

midnightmover said:

MOL said:


He had laryngitis during the HIStory tour, that's why his voice was bad.

But midnightmover will, somehow, try to convince you that Michael totally lost his voice while sucking little boy's dicks. And, if you try to defend Michael, he will immediately call you a floon with no standarts.

Back that up. Show us the source for that. You guys lie to each other so much that over time you don't even know the difference between fantasy and reality. I repeat, back up this claim. Please do not respond with diversion tactics. Respond with proof or nothing.

Isn't that the TRUTH.
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Reply #161 posted 09/29/09 12:03pm

BoOTyLiCioUs

Graycap23 said:

midnightmover said:


Back that up. Show us the source for that. You guys lie to each other so much that over time you don't even know the difference between fantasy and reality. I repeat, back up this claim. Please do not respond with diversion tactics. Respond with proof or nothing.

Isn't that the TRUTH.


funny how you mj trolls can't back your shit up. Graycap23, are you even a fan of MJ or do you just troll mj threads?
[Edited 9/29/09 12:04pm]
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Reply #162 posted 09/29/09 12:04pm

BoOTyLiCioUs

midnightmover said:

MOL said:


He had laryngitis during the HIStory tour, that's why his voice was bad.

But midnightmover will, somehow, try to convince you that Michael totally lost his voice while sucking little boy's dicks. And, if you try to defend Michael, he will immediately call you a floon with no standarts.

Back that up. Show us the source for that. You guys lie to each other so much that over time you don't even know the difference between fantasy and reality. I repeat, back up this claim. Please do not respond with diversion tactics. Respond with proof or nothing.


how bout you respond with proof. Back your shit up homie. talk so much shit out of your ass with no proof.
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Reply #163 posted 09/29/09 12:43pm

Graycap23

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

Graycap23 said:


Isn't that the TRUTH.


funny how you mj trolls can't back your shit up. Graycap23, are you even a fan of MJ or do you just troll mj threads?
[Edited 9/29/09 12:04pm]

I dig Mj but truth is truth.
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Reply #164 posted 09/29/09 12:44pm

murph

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

Graycap23 said:


Isn't that the TRUTH.


funny how you mj trolls can't back your shit up. Graycap23, are you even a fan of MJ or do you just troll mj threads?
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There are indeed a few folks that just like to give it to the more hardcore fans and wind them up....But let's not blanket everyone under the same banner....There are some folks who genuinely have a problem with over the top and at times disturbing fandom whether it comes from MJ, Prince or Madonna fans...

It just so happens that the more hardcore MJ fans, especially in wake of the tragic death of a true legend (Michael Jackson) have presented themselves at times as a bit off the deep end...Of course, there's a respectful way to say this without putting all hardcore MJ fans under the same tag...
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Reply #165 posted 09/29/09 12:47pm

BoOTyLiCioUs

murph said:

BoOTyLiCioUs said:



funny how you mj trolls can't back your shit up. Graycap23, are you even a fan of MJ or do you just troll mj threads?
[Edited 9/29/09 12:04pm]




There are indeed a few folks that just like to give it to the more hardcore fans and wind them up....But let's not blanket everyone under the same banner....There are some folks who genuinely have a problem with over the top and at times disturbing fandom whether it comes from MJ, Prince or Madonna fans...

It just so happens that the more hardcore MJ fans, especially in wake of the tragic death of a true legend (Michael Jackson) have presented themselves at times as a bit off the deep end...Of course, there's a respectful way to say this without putting all hardcore MJ fans under the same tag...


Agreed. But don't forget janet fans as well.
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Reply #166 posted 09/29/09 12:48pm

BoOTyLiCioUs

Graycap23 said:

BoOTyLiCioUs said:



funny how you mj trolls can't back your shit up. Graycap23, are you even a fan of MJ or do you just troll mj threads?
[Edited 9/29/09 12:04pm]

I dig Mj but truth is truth.


sure bout that or do u just like to row mj fans up. might be the truth to you...not to others.
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Reply #167 posted 09/29/09 12:51pm

Graycap23

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

Graycap23 said:


I dig Mj but truth is truth.


sure bout that or do u just like to row mj fans up. might be the truth to you...not to others.

Mj fans don't need any help from me getting riled up.
I'll leave that 2 others.
I have better things 2 do with my time.
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Reply #168 posted 09/29/09 12:53pm

BoOTyLiCioUs

Graycap23 said:

BoOTyLiCioUs said:



sure bout that or do u just like to row mj fans up. might be the truth to you...not to others.

Mj fans don't need any help from me getting riled up.
I'll leave that 2 others.
I have better things 2 do with my time.


well your condesending tone doesn't help much.
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Reply #169 posted 09/29/09 12:54pm

Graycap23

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

Graycap23 said:


Mj fans don't need any help from me getting riled up.
I'll leave that 2 others.
I have better things 2 do with my time.


well your condesending tone doesn't help much.

Tone? Lol.....sorry, I don't do the soft shoe very well.
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Reply #170 posted 09/29/09 2:07pm

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RIVERPOET: I listen to a lot of music of different genres and I love powerful voices; or voices that move me because if I sing along, all out, I feel as if I receive new lungs. I become one with the music, nothing makes me feel more alive.

Michael's voice as far as male vocalists go, is the most beautiful sound I have ever heard. It's pure, crystal clear, emotional and passionate. I am talking now about ballads only. He is the male version of Barbara Streisand & Lea Salonga for example. Whatever he's singing about, you feel. Riverpoet, you say Prince's "if I was your girlfriend" is a deep song. Personally, I would say he has deeper ones than that. This is about Michael though. Are you comparing "if i was your girlfriend" to "stranger in moscow" or to me the deepest song Michael ever wrote "Speechless" saying "if I was girlfriend is deeper?

I don't care what people say about MJ in the rehearsal or at live concerts. Michael's end product were perfection. In the stuff I've heard at concerts he sounded just as good live.

Michael is artistically pure too in the sounds and effects he put into songs. Sometimes completely simplistic! But that's what makes the song beautiful. Sometimes they are not simplistic, they are dramatic but powerful.

If you think Michael couldn't compose or put music together, play the Invincible piano book. Some songs there are just pure perfection. Why does EVERYONE in this world compare Michael's later work to Thriller????? It's as if Thriller became a cross for Michael to bear.

I have more to say about songs and lyrics of Micahel's but I'm tired, so for now I'll finish off with this. Michael was a vulnerable person who sang about vulnerable things. It was exactly this, that made the world all in love with him over and over again. He never used his sexuality to sell his music. He hardly sang about sex and love. He never needed to "act" sexy, he just was sexy. He appealed to women because he was particularly soft, gentle and caring with his lyrics and songs.

About female companions. When very single woman in the world is in love with you, do you think it's easy to find someone, who'll just love you for being you? When every household in the world knows your name, do you think you can be "normal?" In 1998 I think, Michael also became a single father. In the last 11 years therefore he has raising 3 kids. When people talk about the amount of production being a little, remember Michael was a star child. He'd been in the business longer than anyone really. And if you want to know what was closer to his heart than the music world. Listen to his music.

You don't have to like him. But the least you can do is understand him.
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Reply #171 posted 09/29/09 3:16pm

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murph said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Mj was a great musician and an entertainer ....deal with it, he was responsible for writing the majority of his songs , he was a genuis composer something that many artist truly lack including prince.



LOL!!!!!Funny post...Bat shit crazy....But hilarious nonetheless...At least you're honest, homie....

LOL....hilarious in what sense?

you know that treating Mj like a bubble gum , plastic pop artist reached its lowest point on this board and its getting ridiculous, some of you African Americans and Americans in general should be proud that MJ was the only western artist that his music reached to every race, language and culture, you can't influence the world with plastic pop music like many prince fanatics are saying, Mj was alot of things, despite his death people still refuse to give him credit.

Plus, you ain't gonna tell me that prince is a hell of a composer lol , He is a great lyricist I agree, he ain't on MJ's level composing-wise.

Prince tends to shock you with his lyrics , but as far as melodies and compositions , I’m sorry, the majority of them are big are not strong enough.
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Reply #172 posted 09/29/09 4:29pm

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I'm gonna ask this in this thread and in the RIP thread


If you were to buy a book about Michael's music...say, like a guide to his catalog, what would you want included that would make you want to buy it?
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Reply #173 posted 09/29/09 4:36pm

Timmy84

seeingvoices12 said:

murph said:




LOL!!!!!Funny post...Bat shit crazy....But hilarious nonetheless...At least you're honest, homie....

LOL....hilarious in what sense?

you know that treating Mj like a bubble gum , plastic pop artist reached its lowest point on this board and its getting ridiculous, some of you African Americans and Americans in general should be proud that MJ was the only western artist that his music reached to every race, language and culture, you can't influence the world with plastic pop music like many prince fanatics are saying, Mj was alot of things, despite his death people still refuse to give him credit.

Plus, you ain't gonna tell me that prince is a hell of a composer lol , He is a great lyricist I agree, he ain't on MJ's level composing-wise.

Prince tends to shock you with his lyrics , but as far as melodies and compositions , I’m sorry, the majority of them are big are not strong enough.


Sorry for going off topic and getting off subject but me personally I never liked that term "African Americans". I prefer "black" and "American". lol
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Reply #174 posted 09/29/09 4:37pm

Timmy84

bboy87 said:

I'm gonna ask this in this thread and in the RIP thread


If you were to buy a book about Michael's music...say, like a guide to his catalog, what would you want included that would make you want to buy it?


How does he do all the background vocals? I always wanted to know of that, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Prince and the Carpenters and the Fords (Les Paul and Mary). How did they do it?! eek
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Reply #175 posted 09/29/09 5:32pm

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Timmy84 said:

seeingvoices12 said:


LOL....hilarious in what sense?

you know that treating Mj like a bubble gum , plastic pop artist reached its lowest point on this board and its getting ridiculous, some of you African Americans and Americans in general should be proud that MJ was the only western artist that his music reached to every race, language and culture, you can't influence the world with plastic pop music like many prince fanatics are saying, Mj was alot of things, despite his death people still refuse to give him credit.

Plus, you ain't gonna tell me that prince is a hell of a composer lol , He is a great lyricist I agree, he ain't on MJ's level composing-wise.

Prince tends to shock you with his lyrics , but as far as melodies and compositions , I’m sorry, the majority of them are big are not strong enough.


Sorry for going off topic and getting off subject but me personally I never liked that term "African Americans". I prefer "black" and "American". lol


Ok dude....as you like ....black and american..., I hope you are not offended in anyway,wasn't my intention ... biggrin
MICHAEL JACKSON
R.I.P
مايكل جاكسون للأبد
1958
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Reply #176 posted 09/29/09 5:34pm

Timmy84

seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:



Sorry for going off topic and getting off subject but me personally I never liked that term "African Americans". I prefer "black" and "American". lol


Ok dude....as you like ....black and american..., I hope you are not offended in anyway,wasn't my intention ... biggrin


Nah not offended at all. wink
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Reply #177 posted 09/30/09 11:43am

midnightmover

BoOTyLiCioUs said:

Graycap23 said:


Isn't that the TRUTH.


funny how you mj trolls can't back your shit up. Graycap23, are you even a fan of MJ or do you just troll mj threads?
[Edited 9/29/09 12:04pm]

Check out Reply No. 34. I quite clearly back up what I'm saying. Once again, you are being dishonest.

Also, let the record show that when I asked for proof to back up the laryngitis excuse, you guys were once again unable to produce anything. You simply respond with diversion tactics. This blatant deviousness is, in itself, proof of what shaky ground you guys are on. I am always able to be honest. You have to resort to evasions, lies and diversion tactics. Let me give you a second chance. Back up your laryngitis story. Show us some proof. If you have none, then do yourself a favour and shuffle back to fantasy land.
“The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
- Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #178 posted 09/30/09 11:49am

Graycap23

Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

I'm gonna ask this in this thread and in the RIP thread


If you were to buy a book about Michael's music...say, like a guide to his catalog, what would you want included that would make you want to buy it?


How does he do all the background vocals? I always wanted to know of that, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Prince and the Carpenters and the Fords (Les Paul and Mary). How did they do it?! eek

Record one track at a time. A song can contain 100's of vocal comps.
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Reply #179 posted 09/30/09 12:10pm

aarontj

MattyJam said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaity_OLqAQ



Still he din't cut it, sorry.
"I have so much love for Prince. But why don't they look at me that way"- MJ
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