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Printablejcurley said: i think it sounds quite good-but I'm not convinced it is a live vocal. I know he doesn't do a Prince and sing a different version to the record but this sounds too smooth and I don't mean that in a complimentary way.
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BanishedBrian said: Superstition said: Well, there are people who said he couldn't sing at all. I love how people keep saying "30 seconds" or "little clips" as if he wasn't rehearsing, as if he hasn't been in the music industry for decades. My guess is that it was probably easier for him to get on stage and sing and dance than it was for him to go home and try to deal with all the bull. I think the reason people are focussing on the length of the clip is that this isn't just some 30-second random window into his rehearsal; it's presumably the 30 seconds in all the footage that the filmmakers think is most compelling. If so, it's not particularly impressive IMO, at least relative to how much MJ clutter there is on this board. [Edited 9/22/09 10:50am] There's a movie coming out: they show you 30 seconds so you'll go see the 2 hours. jcurley said: i think it sounds quite good-but I'm not convinced it is a live vocal. I know he doesn't do a Prince and sing a different version to the record but this sounds too smooth and I don't mean that in a complimentary way.
You've got to be kidding, right? Michael Jackson couldn't win for losing. He doesn't sing live, and when he does people don't believe it. This reminds me of that clip of him dancing in his dance room at Neverland (he was dancing to some Janet music) and people are convinced it's CGI  [Edited 9/22/09 17:24pm] | |
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jcurley said: i think it sounds quite good-but I'm not convinced it is a live vocal. I know he doesn't do a Prince and sing a different version to the record but this sounds too smooth and I don't mean that in a complimentary way.
Michael never lip-synched "Human Nature"...EVER. Someone show me a video of him lip-synching the song. Actually, Michael DID change up his songs during his shows (Victory and Bad tours) He never sung a song the same for the next show. | |
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Duh....
If Mj was not creative then I don't know what the hell he was, stop downplaying the man's legacy, a person like you won't change or re-write history, Mj is right there with the greats ,he was the greatest, he is a songwriter, producer, dancer, choreographer, impeccable vocalist, and guess what? he is one a hell of a musician , I guess this is a fact that you have to deal with , so deal with it. I disagree with you. If it really was about his love for music, he wouldnt have been so obsessed with his record sales after the Thriller album, and he wouldnt have fooled visitors of his 'live'-shows by offering lypsynching and prerecorded music. MJ was an 'entertainer' in the first place, a plastic, superficial one, going for big fireworks, choreography and easy impressions instead of musicianship and real artistry. You might feel in awe with so much surface, but there enough people like me who have another idea about what music is about. | |
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Riverpoet31 said: Duh....
If Mj was not creative then I don't know what the hell he was, stop downplaying the man's legacy, a person like you won't change or re-write history, Mj is right there with the greats ,he was the greatest, he is a songwriter, producer, dancer, choreographer, impeccable vocalist, and guess what? he is one a hell of a musician , I guess this is a fact that you have to deal with , so deal with it. I disagree with you. If it really was about his love for music, he wouldnt have been so obsessed with his record sales after the Thriller album, and he wouldnt have fooled visitors of his 'live'-shows by offering lypsynching and prerecorded music. MJ was an 'entertainer' in the first place, a plastic, superficial one, going for big fireworks, choreography and easy impressions instead of musicianship and real artistry. You might feel in awe with so much surface, but there enough people like me who have another idea about what music is about. Who's to say he fooled anyone? I'm sure plenty of his followers knew he lip-synced and were content with his live performances. I would prefer live singing and instruments and less dancing myself, but I wouldn't go so far as to say he wasn't a musician.... not when he wrote and produced tons of his own material.And despite how much he did or didn't sing live, I know of few people who would deny him being one of the great vocalists, so credit where credit is due. | |
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Superstition said: Riverpoet31 said: I disagree with you. If it really was about his love for music, he wouldnt have been so obsessed with his record sales after the Thriller album, and he wouldnt have fooled visitors of his 'live'-shows by offering lypsynching and prerecorded music. MJ was an 'entertainer' in the first place, a plastic, superficial one, going for big fireworks, choreography and easy impressions instead of musicianship and real artistry. You might feel in awe with so much surface, but there enough people like me who have another idea about what music is about. Who's to say he fooled anyone? I'm sure plenty of his followers knew he lip-synced and were content with his live performances. I would prefer live singing and instruments and less dancing myself, but I wouldn't go so far as to say he wasn't a musician.... not when he wrote and produced tons of his own material.And despite how much he did or didn't sing live, I know of few people who would deny him being one of the great vocalists, so credit where credit is due. Stevie Fuckin Wonder Performed at the Man's memorial out of respect of him as a person and an ARTIST. MJ will always be legend. Nuff said. MJ Fan 1992-Forever
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midnightmover said: Graycap23 said: I suggest u listen 2 this on a sound system. NOT good.....
  LOL! Looks like me and you are the only one with standards around here.
wtf? This 40 second clip shows us exactly what we've seen before. A man showing no more than flashes of the old magic in quieter moments. Looks like I'm going to have to repeat what I've said a million times before because floons don't seem to have understood. MJ had no stamina to his voice anymore. The more singing he did, the weaker his voice got. This is why he only sang live in short bursts. Most likely, this 40 second clip (which is not good vocally) is the best fragment they could find. It's a good thing for his legacy those concerts never happended because his voice always deteriorated as tours went on , which always led to an increase in the miming (that's a fact, not an opinion). By the end of the rehearsal process and as the run went on, we would have been watching and hearing a living tragedy. Oh, and by the way, I only just found this thread and responded immediately. If you wanted me to respond you should have orgnoted me to tell me the thread was actually here. I have to agree, if you watch the clip again his voice in some points is weak. its very "airy" like he is about to be out of breath... Just like he sounds in the early 1990's concert which is played on HBO & on VH1 all the time. If you hear well the same exact song Human Nature from that early 1990's concert his voice is weak and he cant sing for long periods of time. Just like Mariah Carey now - well for the last 12+ years.MJ had the same problem? Was is hardcore drugs? Was that a side effect... who knows. But it is clear your right. Listen to the clip again and you can hear his voice fading in moments. I do have to say he did sing allot better then I thought he would. Shit the guy had a fake nose which changes the pitch of your voice, and he didnt sound that bad. But the signs were there he wouldnt be able to sing for more then a song or two a night. With the way he looked in the clip he wouldn't have been able to dance on what the 27th show or whatever it would have been now! The guy's veins collapsed everywhere but his neck How can he you get the blood flow to your arms & legs enough to not be totally numb from dancing for 2 hours. shit for 20 minutes
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ElectricBlue said: midnightmover said: LOL! Looks like me and you are the only one with standards around here.
wtf? This 40 second clip shows us exactly what we've seen before. A man showing no more than flashes of the old magic in quieter moments. Looks like I'm going to have to repeat what I've said a million times before because floons don't seem to have understood. MJ had no stamina to his voice anymore. The more singing he did, the weaker his voice got. This is why he only sang live in short bursts. Most likely, this 40 second clip (which is not good vocally) is the best fragment they could find. It's a good thing for his legacy those concerts never happended because his voice always deteriorated as tours went on , which always led to an increase in the miming (that's a fact, not an opinion). By the end of the rehearsal process and as the run went on, we would have been watching and hearing a living tragedy. Oh, and by the way, I only just found this thread and responded immediately. If you wanted me to respond you should have orgnoted me to tell me the thread was actually here. I have to agree, if you watch the clip again his voice in some points is weak. its very "airy" like he is about to be out of breath... Just like he sounds in the early 1990's concert which is played on HBO & on VH1 all the time. If you hear well the same exact song Human Nature from that early 1990's concert his voice is weak and he cant sing for long periods of time. Just like Mariah Carey now - well for the last 12+ years.MJ had the same problem? Was is hardcore drugs? Was that a side effect... who knows. But it is clear your right. Listen to the clip again and you can hear his voice fading in moments. I do have to say he did sing allot better then I thought he would. Shit the guy had a fake nose which changes the pitch of your voice, and he didnt sound that bad. But the signs were there he wouldnt be able to sing for more then a song or two a night. With the way he looked in the clip he wouldn't have been able to dance on what the 27th show or whatever it would have been now! The guy's veins collapsed everywhere but his neck How can he you get the blood flow to your arms & legs enough to not be totally numb from dancing for 2 hours. shit for 20 minutes
Pretty creepy if you think about it. Pure speculation man. On the Dangerous rehearsal tours, he sang pretty much all the way through his tracks live. I don't see why he'd go all out and give it his all for a rehearsal. And, on the same show you mentioned from the Dangerous tour, he also sang through his J5 hits and other tracks totally live without that "air" effect. For some reason, he sings with that weird breathy voice on "Human Nature". He started doing it on the Victory tour and just went more and more hardcore with it as the years went by. Look at the 30th Anniversary show, he sang a handful of J5 songs live and didn't sound out of breath or anything. And remember, what you saw was edited down, he actually sang live longer than what you saw. If this was his voice showing weakness, then why didn't he sound like that on every song he sang? This is how he sounds when he sings Human Nature and Wanna Be Startin' Somethin live for some reason. [Edited 9/23/09 15:46pm] | |
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Riverpoet31 said: Duh....
If Mj was not creative then I don't know what the hell he was, stop downplaying the man's legacy, a person like you won't change or re-write history, Mj is right there with the greats ,he was the greatest, he is a songwriter, producer, dancer, choreographer, impeccable vocalist, and guess what? he is one a hell of a musician , I guess this is a fact that you have to deal with , so deal with it. I disagree with you. If it really was about his love for music, he wouldnt have been so obsessed with his record sales after the Thriller album, and he wouldnt have fooled visitors of his 'live'-shows by offering lypsynching and prerecorded music. MJ was an 'entertainer' in the first place, a plastic, superficial one, going for big fireworks, choreography and easy impressions instead of musicianship and real artistry. You might feel in awe with so much surface, but there enough people like me who have another idea about what music is about. Riverpoet you obviously hate MJ. Fortunately, you are in the severe minority. If you go to youtube and type in tribute to MJ you will see cities around the world, stopping traffic, life and any public places, immitating his dance moves and music. Their tributes in themselves are artistry. I take it you've never watched the Dangerous concert on a quality system. Bringing in ballerinas, spiritual choirs and many children is not exactly fireworks or easy impressions. They are pure and thus everlasting.  [Edited 9/24/09 12:03pm] "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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Fiona01 said: midnightmover said: You claim you say it as it is. Let's put that to the test. You claimed he sounded alright at MSG. This is a clip from MSG that was not broadcast. This is what they didn't want you to see. Would you not agree that this unreleased footage shows him singing very, very badly. Since you claim to be honest. http://www.youtube.com/wa...UM80eCDlW4 Yeah, he does sound bad there. MJ was clearly in a bad shape healthwise during 2001-time. He looked unwell and as if he didn't want to be there. I still think his live singing with his brothers at the MSG shows was great though. His ad-libbing at the end of Shake Your Body was so raw and funky, he sounded great during I'll Be There. There are a few live clips released so far from the TII rehearsals, one of him ad-libbing to Billie Jean and also the Human Nature clip - and he sounds excellent in both. You're just selectively picking out the worst clips (which you've posted on this site before) because you want to prove your own agenda and it quite clearly pains you that not everyone agrees with you. You remind me of one of those really sad nutjobs who starts hate websites about celebrities. The man is dead. If you don't like him, get a life and move on. Stop deliberately stirring old shit about a man who lost his life only three months ago. You admitted he sounded bad in that MSG clip, but what you don't realize is I expected you to admit that. But what I expect you to ignore at all costs is the inconvenient fact that that clip is from the SAME NIGHT as the other live songs you're saying sounded good. Surely you can see that this fact backs up what I'm saying about his voice getting worse the more singing he does. Can you at least admit that (since you claim to be honest)? This view is also backed up by the fact his voice always got worse on tours which always led to an increase in miming. You claim to be honest, but you've ignored this point. What all this shows is that he had no stamina to his voice. Can you not see the logic in this argument? I'm sure you'll be happy to admit that. Since you claim to be honest. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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MattyJam said: midnightmover said: Wow! After I just busted you on the "Calling Liars To Account" thread you're actually dim enough to start your dishonesty again. Pay attention. I'm going to report FACTS right now. Not opinions, like you. Verifiable facts. Firstly, about a month before MJ died I had a LONG debate on this subject with SWA (a hardcore MJ fan). I wish I could remember the title of the thread so I could post a link, but I'm sure he remembers it and can confirm what I'm saying. Like you, he didn't seem to understand what I was saying, so he asked me to SPECIFICALLY boil it down. He then quoted back what he thought my main point was. The quote was pretty much EXACTLY what I just said here. "Michael can only sing in short bursts and even then it's not as good as it used to be". Do not take my word for this. Orgnote SWA and ask him. This is FACTUAL. If you dispute it, you are disputing FACTS. Another thing I pointed out a million times was that Mike's voice declined the more singing he did. I said this SO MANY TIMES that if you say you can't remember it then you will be LYING BLATANTLY (something which I've already busted you for in that other thread). On EVERY ONE of his solo tours the miming increased as the tour went on and the voice deteriorated. Again, I have to stress this is a fact, not an opinion. If you are honest you'll admit it. Lastly, another thing I said on the same thread when debating with Suga10 was that Mike's voice was so ropey that it would often go from okay to terible within the same night or even the same song. Since (unlike you) I like to back up my claims with FACTS I would point your attention to the MSG gig in 2001. Mike started with "Can You Feel It" and sounded really good. Yet on the very same night he did this... http://www.youtube.com/wa...UM80eCDlW4 It's part mimed, part live. In the live bits he sounds AWFUL. I think (again if we are being HONEST) we can agree on that. And just to further illustrate this INDISPUTABLE point I would draw your attention to this. http://www.youtube.com/wa...TPT9EBPBh0 He doesn't sound great in the first verse, but he sounds passable, yet in the second verse he sounds ABSOLUTELY AWFUL. But on the acapella bits on the end he sounds decent. This is all within the same song. Passable to awful to decent within the same song. Now, if I played you a 30 second clip of the acapella bits at the end you would say "Aha! His voice sounds okay! There you go. He's fine! No vocal problems at all!". But someone who is more knowledgable than you would say "Hmmm, need to hear a bit more than that I'm afraid". That person would be LOGICAL, since a little fragment cannot tell you the whole story, as I've just proved BEYOND ANY QUESTION with the two examples I just gave. Let me also add that there are quite a few bad notes even in that little fragment (which is probably the best fragment they could find). I was bored just from the first line so I didn't read any of that. Nor did I bother reading your thread. I'm sure it's full of your usual predictable shit.... Funny how whenever floons get exposed for blatant lies they always do a runner. [Edited 9/25/09 4:00am] “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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PurpleMedley122 said: Here's whats funny, you two (you know who you are...) claim to quote 'hate' MJ,
but if I take a look at your last 20 posts, what are they all about? Time to stop stroking your hard cocks for Michael and actually do something worthwhile in your life. Oh and on topic:  @ this clip.When did I ever claim to "hate" MJ?  On the contrary, it's you people who keep throwing around the word "hate". MJ was one of the greatest entertainers of all time. I've actually written lengthy posts about that. Please don't drink and post at the same time. You only embarrass yourself.  “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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BanishedBrian said: Superstition said: Well, there are people who said he couldn't sing at all. I love how people keep saying "30 seconds" or "little clips" as if he wasn't rehearsing, as if he hasn't been in the music industry for decades. My guess is that it was probably easier for him to get on stage and sing and dance than it was for him to go home and try to deal with all the bull. I think the reason people are focussing on the length of the clip is that this isn't just some 30-second random window into his rehearsal; it's presumably the 30 seconds in all the footage that the filmmakers think is most compelling. If so, it's not particularly impressive IMO, at least relative to how much MJ clutter there is on this board. [Edited 9/22/09 10:50am] Bingo. I knew there had to be someone around here with some sense. “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”
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midnightmover said: BanishedBrian said: I think the reason people are focussing on the length of the clip is that this isn't just some 30-second random window into his rehearsal; it's presumably the 30 seconds in all the footage that the filmmakers think is most compelling. If so, it's not particularly impressive IMO, at least relative to how much MJ clutter there is on this board. [Edited 9/22/09 10:50am] Bingo. I knew there had to be someone around here with some sense. I think we have a winner folks. That is thee point. | |
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Riverpoet you obviously hate MJ. Fortunately, you are in the severe minority. If you go to youtube and type in tribute to MJ you will see cities around the world, stopping traffic, life and any public places, immitating his dance moves and music. Their tributes in themselves are artistry.
I take it you've never watched the Dangerous concert on a quality system. Bringing in ballerinas, spiritual choirs and many children is not exactly fireworks or easy impressions. They are pure and thus everlasting. I have said it several times before, I don't hate Michael Jackson. He is THE 'number 1 mainstream mega-superstar'... lol. And in that 'context' he has done a great job. The effects you are describing: people stopping traffic, immitating his dance moves is a result of that popularity. And the fact that millions of people were willing to pay for his later tours, knowing he would lypsynch most of the songs, illustrates that 'mass mainstream popularity' too. But to me PERSONALLY a musician lypsynching, and a band playing prerecorded music, are a big turn off. I love it more when a singer can really touch you with his or her live-vocals, and a band are playing so well together it creates a certain 'kind of magic'. Different strokes for different folks. The same goes with all the extra's during MJ's latests tours: choirs, ballerina's and children. Some might love it, thats their choice, but personally i considered it a lot of 'window-dressing' for performances lacking real soul. Its like watching a formula blockbuster movie: big actor names, lavish special effects, maybe nice superficial entertainment for 90 minutes or so, but its ultimately leaving me 'cold'. As I said, different strokes for different folks. I respect what MJ has achieved as a mainstream artist and I see that his worldwide popularity and succes is a phenomenon, but he simply just doesnt 'touches' me like dozens and dozens of others musicians and artists who keep it more 'pure IMO', do. | |
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Michael couldn't sing, dance, write, produce or arrange. He couldn't do anything. And he never did anything good. Never. He was a big evil nasty motherfucker. I bet Satan worships MJ. Britney would kick Michael's ass both on studio and on stage.
All those hundreds of musicians/entertainers who claim that MJ is the greatest entertainer of all time and a influence on thousands of singers are lying! I bet Michael paid them! I bet Michael told them:" If you love me, you will say this [hands them a note] about me." I also bet that all of Michael's friends who claim that he loved children and that he was a very innocent, loving, funny, naive person with a very pure heart are lying! THEY WERE PAID! WAKE UP YOU FLOONS! | |
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Why do people tend to forget that Michael only started lip-syncing in the Dangerous tour?
I'm sorry: I'm behaving like a fucking lunatic because everyone who dares to defend MJ will, immediately, be labeled/called a floon. ----- Bubbles>Midnightmover [Edited 9/25/09 10:53am] | |
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MOL said: Michael couldn't sing, dance, write, produce or arrange. He couldn't do anything. And he never did anything good. Never. He was a big evil nasty motherfucker. I bet Satan worships MJ. Britney would kick Michael's ass both on studio and on stage.
All those hundreds of musicians/entertainers who claim that MJ is the greatest entertainer of all time and a influence on thousands of singers are lying! I bet Michael paid them! I bet Michael told them:" If you love me, you will say this [hands them a note] about me." I also bet that all of Michael's friends who claim that he loved children and that he was a very innocent, loving, funny, naive person with a very pure heart are lying! THEY WERE PAID! WAKE UP YOU FLOONS! What a crock. | |
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MOL said: Michael couldn't sing, dance, write, produce or arrange. He couldn't do anything. And he never did anything good. Never. He was a big evil nasty motherfucker. I bet Satan worships MJ. Britney would kick Michael's ass both on studio and on stage.
All those hundreds of musicians/entertainers who claim that MJ is the greatest entertainer of all time and a influence on thousands of singers are lying! I bet Michael paid them! I bet Michael told them:" If you love me, you will say this [hands them a note] about me." I also bet that all of Michael's friends who claim that he loved children and that he was a very innocent, loving, funny, naive person with a very pure heart are lying! THEY WERE PAID! WAKE UP YOU FLOONS! The fact that you would think that the people who criticize Michael like fu**ing Britney Spears of all people just shows some of the lunacy that exists in MJ land. The reason that there are so many MJ haters on this board is likely because we're all on a site devoted to an artist who excels in many of the areas that MJ never did. No Candy 4 Me | |
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BanishedBrian said: MOL said: Michael couldn't sing, dance, write, produce or arrange. He couldn't do anything. And he never did anything good. Never. He was a big evil nasty motherfucker. I bet Satan worships MJ. Britney would kick Michael's ass both on studio and on stage.
All those hundreds of musicians/entertainers who claim that MJ is the greatest entertainer of all time and a influence on thousands of singers are lying! I bet Michael paid them! I bet Michael told them:" If you love me, you will say this [hands them a note] about me." I also bet that all of Michael's friends who claim that he loved children and that he was a very innocent, loving, funny, naive person with a very pure heart are lying! THEY WERE PAID! WAKE UP YOU FLOONS! The fact that you would think that the people who criticize Michael like fu**ing Britney Spears of all people just shows some of the lunacy that exists in MJ land. The reason that there are so many MJ haters on this board is likely because we're all on a site devoted to an artist who excels in many of the areas that MJ never did. Let's be fair here: idiocy exists on both sides. MOL has made some very good points in other threads, and, to be fair, I didn't see the second post he made where he admits he's going a bit crazy. | |
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Fiona01 said: There's no point in trying to defend this against someone like midnightmover. He clearly has an unhealthy and passionate hatred for Michael Jackson, so he's going to call anything he does crap.
I'm the first to admit he sounded ropey on the live portions of the HIStory tour. But that was over a decade ago. He sounded a lot better during the live sections at MSG in 2001 and he sounds great here. I say it as it is, whereas haters will just blindely hate. He had laryngitis during the HIStory tour, that's why his voice was bad. But midnightmover will, somehow, try to convince you that Michael totally lost his voice while sucking little boy's dicks. And, if you try to defend Michael, he will immediately call you a floon with no standarts. | |
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BanishedBrian said: MOL said: Michael couldn't sing, dance, write, produce or arrange. He couldn't do anything. And he never did anything good. Never. He was a big evil nasty motherfucker. I bet Satan worships MJ. Britney would kick Michael's ass both on studio and on stage.
All those hundreds of musicians/entertainers who claim that MJ is the greatest entertainer of all time and a influence on thousands of singers are lying! I bet Michael paid them! I bet Michael told them:" If you love me, you will say this [hands them a note] about me." I also bet that all of Michael's friends who claim that he loved children and that he was a very innocent, loving, funny, naive person with a very pure heart are lying! THEY WERE PAID! WAKE UP YOU FLOONS! The fact that you would think that the people who criticize Michael like fu**ing Britney Spears of all people just shows some of the lunacy that exists in MJ land. The reason that there are so many MJ haters on this board is likely because we're all on a site devoted to an artist who excels in many of the areas that MJ never did. You clearly didn't understand me: I said that some Prince fans compare Spears to Jackson. I never claimed that they are Spears' fans. There is also some lunacy in Prince fans mind, and you know that full well. Besides, Michael is much better in some areas than Prince ever was. [Edited 9/25/09 11:04am] | |
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MOL said: BanishedBrian said: The fact that you would think that the people who criticize Michael like fu**ing Britney Spears of all people just shows some of the lunacy that exists in MJ land. The reason that there are so many MJ haters on this board is likely because we're all on a site devoted to an artist who excels in many of the areas that MJ never did. You clearly didn't understand me: I said that some Prince fans compare Spears to Jackson. I never claimed that they are Spears' fans. OK... I have not been following this whole fued much so I suppose misunderstood what you meant then. No Candy 4 Me | |
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Superstition said: MOL said: Michael couldn't sing, dance, write, produce or arrange. He couldn't do anything. And he never did anything good. Never. He was a big evil nasty motherfucker. I bet Satan worships MJ. Britney would kick Michael's ass both on studio and on stage.
All those hundreds of musicians/entertainers who claim that MJ is the greatest entertainer of all time and a influence on thousands of singers are lying! I bet Michael paid them! I bet Michael told them:" If you love me, you will say this [hands them a note] about me." I also bet that all of Michael's friends who claim that he loved children and that he was a very innocent, loving, funny, naive person with a very pure heart are lying! THEY WERE PAID! WAKE UP YOU FLOONS! What a crock. I was being sarcastic. | |
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BanishedBrian said: MOL said: You clearly didn't understand me: I said that some Prince fans compare Spears to Jackson. I never claimed that they are Spears' fans. OK... I have not been following this whole fued much so I suppose misunderstood what you meant then. Listen; let's stop being biased for once. I love Prince. He is my lady. But I also love Michael Jackson who, to you, is(was) nothing more than a black (?) Britney Spears with no nose. I never claimed that you like Spears for two reasons: 1. I don't know if you do. 2. I don't care if you like her or not. I'm sick of hearing Prince fans downplay Michael's career. I'm sick of hearing you claim that he couldn't do anything. It's getting really tiring. And, if we, Michael fans, dare to defend him, you will immediately call us floons, people who know nothing about music and the list goes on and on and on. [Edited 9/25/09 11:11am] | |
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MOL said: There is also some lunacy in Prince fans mind, and you know that full well. Besides, Michael is much better in some areas than Prince ever was.
There is definitely some lunacy in Prince "famville"! My theory is that it stems largely from the fact that Prince has run many of the more intelligent fans off through all his b.s., leaving a lot of more superficial fans behind who care about things like whether his latest makeup looks good. 
I think the core Prince fan though is attracted to the fact that Prince's music is so diverse; mixing so many styles while also displaying amazing musicianship. MJ was a great singer, a much better one then Prince could ever be, and a good showman in terms of his dancing. But let's face it, MJ was very one-dimensional compared to Prince. Prince had more musical ideas sitting in his pinky then MJ had in his whole body. No Candy 4 Me | |
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BanishedBrian said: MOL said: There is also some lunacy in Prince fans mind, and you know that full well. Besides, Michael is much better in some areas than Prince ever was.
There is definitely some lunacy in Prince "famville"! My theory is that it stems largely from the fact that Prince has run many of the more intelligent fans off through all his b.s., leaving a lot of more superficial fans behind who care about things like whether his latest makeup looks good.
I think the core Prince fan though is attracted to the fact that Prince's music is so diverse; mixing so many styles while also displaying amazing musicianship. MJ was a great singer, a much better one then Prince could ever be, and a good showman in terms of his dancing. But let's face it, MJ was very one-dimensional compared to Prince. Prince had more musical ideas sitting in his pinky then MJ had in his whole body. Wait a minute: I'm one of those fans who cares about his make-up, OK? My lady has to look great! I also love his amazing toilets: mainly when he dresses like a woman. To me- and to millions of people- MJ is the greatest entertainer of all time. To you, he danced and sang fairly well (but your standarts are so high, arent them? *sarcasm*). [Edited 9/25/09 11:17am] | |
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MOL said: Listen; let's stop being biased for once.
I love Prince. He is my lady. But I also love Michael Jackson who, to you, is(was) nothing more than a black (?) Britney Spears with no nose. I never claimed that you like Spears for two reasons: 1. I don't know if you do. 2. I don't care if you like her or not. I'm sick of hearing Prince fans downplay Michael's career. I'm sick of hearing you claim that he couldn't do anything. It's getting really tiring. And, if we, Michael fans, dare to defend him, you will immediately call us floons, people who know nothing about music and the list goes on and on and on. Wow, I see that MJ fans are just as lost in the head as he was. Did I ever say MJ was a black Britney Spears? Britney is basically MJ without the vocal or dancing talent. She is talentless. When did I say MJ couldn't do anythign? He could certainly do a lot, like tour in support of the songs he released 10-20 years ago back when he had the capacity to release relevant music. That's nothing to be ashamed about. [Edited 9/25/09 11:20am] No Candy 4 Me | |
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BanishedBrian said: MOL said: Listen; let's stop being biased for once.
I love Prince. He is my lady. But I also love Michael Jackson who, to you, is(was) nothing more than a black (?) Britney Spears with no nose. I never claimed that you like Spears for two reasons: 1. I don't know if you do. 2. I don't care if you like her or not. I'm sick of hearing Prince fans downplay Michael's career. I'm sick of hearing you claim that he couldn't do anything. It's getting really tiring. And, if we, Michael fans, dare to defend him, you will immediately call us floons, people who know nothing about music and the list goes on and on and on. Wow, I see that MJ fans are just as lost in the head as he was. Did I ever say MJ was a black Britney Spears? Britney is basically MJ without the vocal or dancing talent. She is talentless. When did I say MJ couldn't do anythign? He could certainly do a lot, like tour in support of the songs he released 10-20 years ago back when he had the capacity to release relevant music. That's nothing to be ashamed about. [Edited 9/25/09 11:20am] "Britney is basically MJ without the vocal or dancing talent."- Michael had awesome song-writing skills. He also produced his own music and did arrengements. He choreographed his videos/tours and much more. He was definitely a creative force. From his charisma to his trademark stuff. Admit it. [Edited 9/25/09 11:24am] [Edited 9/25/09 11:27am] | |
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To me- and to millions of people- MJ is the greatest entertainer of all time. To you, he danced and sang fairly well (but your standarts are so high, arent them? *sarcasm*).
To me- and to millions of people- there are a lot of better ARTISTS then MJ  | |
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