kisscamille said:

Are you kidding?

Alicia Keys & Andre 3000 are sharing the resposibility of being heirs to the throne (maybe?). Besides, Prince was cool with it!

lennytunia said:

And some people wonder why KISS may never get into the R&R HOF.

Too much politics and asskissing!

And racism too!

okaypimpn said:

NEW EDITION!!!!

TonyVanDam said:

... why isnt kiss in rhe hof?

Scrapluv said:

According to Gene Simmons himself, there is a lot of politics (read: asskissing) that take place behind the scenes just to make it as a finalist to actually win a spot in the HOF.

You're better off asking Gene via e-mail to get the rest of the story:
http://www.genesimmons.com

the honest answer would be:
the o'jay's protested Justin Timberlake because he is white.

wallysafford said:

So,are you implying that the O'Jays would have made a big fuss if somebody like Bob Dylan,Eric Clapton or Bruce Springsteen had inducted them?

DavidEye said:

i am only going by the explanation that the o'jay's gave for protesting Timberlake.
they wanted someone who "understood their pain and suffering a little more"..
that translates into-"justin is a white-boy,therefore,he cannot understand us,therefore we need someone of color,like us,to induct us....
i am "of color"-i can read between the lines.
they had a problem with Timberlake because he is white.
if someone of color,no matter if it was "kriss-kross"- inducted them,they wouldn't have said shit.
i am trying to understand the o'jay's protest here.
if you believe there is another reason why they would protest Timberlake other than his skin tone,clue me in.

wallysafford said:

No,let's not turn this into a color issue.The Ojays have said that they have nothing against Timberlake personally.I think they just wanted a serious artist to induct them....you know,someone who's been around for awhile like they have.Let's be honest here,Justin Timberlake is just a young,bubblegum pop artist who probably won't even be around in ten years.I seriously doubt that the Ojays would have had a problem with someone like Daryl Hall,Bruce Springsteen,Bob Dylan or Eric Clapton inducting them.

TonyVanDam said:

...and getting paid the money that they should've generated.

wallysafford said:

how convenient.

Scrapluv said:

you are not being honest.
how convenient.
the only folks "playing the race card" are the o'jay's.
Eddie should shut his old-hole and be thankful that he is appreciated enough to be inducted.
nobody slighted them,not intentionally anyway,it's not like the rock-n-roll hall of fame commitee woke up that morning and collectively said "hey,lets have a whiteboy induct the o'jay's,just to fuck with 'em"...never happened.
Eddie Levert is a pompous ass.
he ruined his groups last night in the spotlight because he had to get racial.
he could have just not shown up and refused to accept the induction,but NO...
Eddie Ego had to have a fit and disrespect people along the way.
yes,how convenient.

DavidEye said:

Some of ya'll just don't get it.

wallysafford said:

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I hope Timberlake did feel disrespected. He was not wanted and he should have decided not to give the award I want to know what you are drinking because I want some. I can't believe you think the O Jays should just bend down to the no-talent Timberlake.

I guess racism is alive and well in the Rock Community a old RnB group should just be glad they received an award.

okaypimpn said:

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No, they see an old RnB group that should just be glad to be acknowleged. They see it the way the want to see it .

Racial or not it was simply poor judgment from the board of RRHOF. And they’ve done it before.

The O’Jays wanted someone who understood their “pain and suffering and history” which I don’t think is necessarily exclusive to black artists. Especially someone who has been touring and recording since the 60s or 70s and has first hand understanding the O’Jays history, the history of Gamble and Huff and The Sound of Philadelphia and the early struggles of black entertainers in general.

Personally, I don’t think the RRHF really care about what the honorees want. Along with VH1 they’re just trying to get people to watch and Justin was the only person from the younger generation on the show. Someone had to pull the kiddies in even if for a few seconds.

At other award ceremonies, the honorees are usually introduced, inducted or honored by someone who is either a peer in tradition and caliber or one who has been influenced by and following in the footsteps of the honored guest. I always thought that was part of the joy in being honored. While there may be varying degrees there’s a level of mutual respect.

The mentor: Denzel to Sidney Poitier for Oscar’s Lifetime Achievement;
the family and entertainer: Janet J. to Michael for the AMAs;
the co-star: James Woods for Robert DeNiro at AFI;
fellow musician: Sheila E. for Tito Puente at the Grammys;
Joni Mitchell received her ASCAP honor not from one of these dime a dozen wannabe divas but from Stevie Wonder along with a performance of Woodstock. That's what punctuated her night.

Justin Timberlake for the O’Jays doesn’t quite compute. Neither does Lil Kim for EWF or Lou Reed for Frank Zappa considering their troubled history. Like the O'Jays, the RRHOF board apparently didn’t care what the Zappa family wanted either...

Zappa Honors The Hall Of Fame
By Bill Holdship

If anyone out there is wondering why Lou Reed (who never had a good word to say about Frank Zappa during Zappa's lifetime) was chosen to induct Frank into the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame. . . well, so is the late rock musician's family.
Says his widow Gail Zappa: 'Ten days before the actual ceremony, we still hadn't received invitations; the producer said, "Oh, that¹s unconscionable! We can give you two free tickets and arrange for two of you to fly from LA to New York." Well, there's five of us, of course. . . He said, "Well, we can sell you additional tickets at $1,500 a piece. . . but you can't sit together." I just laughed. He said something about non-profit organizations, but they can kiss my ass about non-profit organizations, especially when they were going to exploit it this year as a TV show!

'But Moon had expressed interest in going, so we decided she'd accept the award. A week before the ceremony, they called me and said Edward Van Halen - who would have been perfect - had turned down their offer to induct Frank because he doesn't do these things. So, I suggested Johnny 'Guitar' Watson, who Frank knew, loved, and had worked with. They said, "No." I won't say why, because I don't want to hurt Johnny, but I did tell them that Johnny was one of the most lucid and articulate people I've ever heard interviewed.
'I suggested Aerosmith, but was told they were going to induct Led Zeppelin. So, I suggested Led Zeppelin. Again, they said no.
'I asked them who chooses these things, and I was told "the Board." I asked if there were any musicians on the board, and, more importantly, are there any black musicians? They had to call me back, and they replied: "Yes. One. Berry Gordy."

'They called back, and said "We've invited Lou Reed to do it!" I was laughing. It was just so ironic. I said I'd talk to my kids, and they were against it; they believed Lou had millions of chances to make up with Frank. So Lou called; I told him, "Listen, you said lots of shitty things about Frank." We discussed it, and he finally said, "If I said anything flip that was meant to be funny, I'm sorry." Actually Frank admired him as a songwriter; Femme Fatale and All Tomorrow's Parties were two of Frank's favorites.

'We asked for a car to take Moon to the ceremony. The producer told Moon that I said she'd be the one giving clearance to use the Frank footage on MTV, which was totally not true! He said, "That's OK, the show's running long, so we'll just cut Frank." Moon called him back, and made him apologize for making her father sound insignificant. A limo did take her to the show, but there was no one to pick her up! I have this vision of her standing in the rain, flagging down a cab, with the award in her hand!

'I watched the broadcast, and they didn't play any of his music, although they played at least one song by every other artist. And then I heard Joe Perry say that Led Zepplin had asked Aerosmith to induct them months before, so how come we got word a week before? This is a man who went to Capitol Hill for these people! When Moon said Frank would've enjoyed it, she meant the musicians.
'As Lou said, it honored the Hall to induct Frank, not the other way around. It was stupid, insensitive, and just thoughtless.'
Originally published in the SoCal music ragmag BAM (Feb. 10th, 1995 - Issue 452).
Transcribed: R Perkins
Text Editing & HTML: Andy Murkin

besides,this was the "rock-n-roll" hall of fame.
what did they expect?
maybe when the r-n-b community awards them with something as great an honor as the "rock-n-roll" hall of fame people did,the o'jay's can have someone more "appropriate" to induct them.




Lawdy.....


Rock n Roll hall of fame isn't about a certain genre of music but the entire music community. The O'Jays are a part of music history. You clearing don't understand what the history of "rock n roll" is all about. This is why you can have such a diverse group of artists being inducted every year. Its not about a specific genre but longevity in the business.

wallysafford said:

no. if anyone's overplaying the race card, it's you
it's not as simple as the ojays not wanting a "white-boy" to induct them. do you honestly think if the commitee chose teena marie the ojays would've objected? can you imagine the ojays saying the same thing if hall & oates presented? fuckit, do you think they'd have a problem with rod stewart? It's obvious the ojays probably dont have enough respect for justin as an artist. i'm saying "probably" because nothing is concrete, so everything is speculation. sure, it probably didnt help that justin is a white popstar from a boyband representing a pop culture that has long rendered groups such as the ojays irrelevent, but it's not as simple as has race being the determining factor to their discontent. The hall may not have woken up and said "hey,lets have a whiteboy induct the o'jay's,just to fuck with 'em", but there is a reason why they rejected gerald and chose justin. maybe you should look there for the reason. if any member of the ojays (and I believe it was ALL of them who disapproved) felt slighted, they earned the right to voice their opinion. just be thankful? i dont think so
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wallysafford said:

Well, to be honest with you, I'd have just as much a problem with Usher inducting The O'Jays as I do with Justin. They're relative nobodies compared to them, and someone with much more "tenure" and clout should be inducting these great artists. Same goes for Prince, and I'm a HUGE fan of OutKast too. But they, along with Alicia Keys (no matter how good the speech was), had no business inducting "the man"!! I would've rather seen someone like Sananda or George Clinton do the honors.

JackieBlue said:

See there!!! Gene Simmons was right: There is too much politics goes on with the R&R HOF Board. This is exactly why KISS isn't in the HOF today!

Scrapluv said:

Wally,are you listening?

missfee said:

oh shit, you said "black music." There's no such thing as "black music" anymore. I'm surprised someone hasn't corrected you on this yet...

alexnvrmnd said:

What some of these dumbasses don't seem to get is the upset about Justin has nothing to do with his race, but the fact he is someone with only one album and most likely didn't know shit about the O'Jays. He probably knew a couple of their songs, but I doubt he can recite which songs are from which albums at the drop of a hat. On the race issue, I don't think there would have been a problem if it was Teena Marie or even Jon B. inducting them. Also, Justin is just fake and scandalous and on top of that, white. I think him being white may have added a little fuel to the fire for some people, not particularly the O'Jays. It was not the sole reason there was the upset over this. He hasn't put enough time in at work. If you retire from the Post Office and the company gives you a farewell party, do you really want the newbie who has only been there a year giving the toast on how wonderful you work was? What the fuck would they really now about your 40 hard years there??

Janfriend said:

who are you calling "dumbasses"?

wallysafford said:

If I was directing that to individuals, I would have listed their names. Plus, I'm not the only one on this thread to say "dumbass" in regards to this topic
[Edited 3/23/05 4:02am]

Janfriend said:

you sound very angry.

wallysafford said:

I didn't realize the words I type on the internet make sounds of emotion

Janfriend said: