PennyPurple said:

minnesoundlvr said:

I think the "Prince as the poster child for the opiod epidemic" reporting is fed, in large part, by the seeminly endless discussions on prince.org (on threads like this one) about his alleged drug use over the years. Conversely, threads about some of his relationships are censored or removed, but these like this one are allowed to go on for pages and pages and part after part.

I doubt Google even knows about the org.

Well, I guess that settle it, then.

Strawberrylova123 said:

PennyPurple said:

Tyka has worked hard to stay sober. It bothers me when people make things up to suit their purpose. We need to show these people who have been in rehab and fought so hard to stay clean, a little respect. They've been thru hell and back, even if we don't like the way things are being handled by the Estate or the way things were handled by his family.

Here it is: From People Magazine

Nelson, who appeared on the show to promote the upcoming My Name Is Prince exhibition at London’s O2 Arena, also admitted that the loss of her brother drove her back into dangerous habits. The 57-year-old had struggled with an addiction to crack cocaine in the wake of her parents’ death years earlier, but Prince had supported her trip to get clean in a rehab facility.

Now with Prince’s passing, she risked a relapse. “I had the hardest time [out of all her siblings]. We had spent all of our lives together. It probably only hit me last October.” she says. “This is the first time I’ve not used drugs and alcohol to mask the pain of grief. This is the first time what I’m feeling has come out in music, not drugs and alcohol.”

Tyka didn't spend her life with Prince. Everybody around Prince, different people during different period of time, know she never was there. The last couple of years she was in charge for some jobs, but she was never into Prince life. Whatever she is telling now doesn't change this truth.

pupa1 said:

PennyPurple said:

Tyka has worked hard to stay sober. It bothers me when people make things up to suit their purpose. We need to show these people who have been in rehab and fought so hard to stay clean, a little respect. They've been thru hell and back, even if we don't like the way things are being handled by the Estate or the way things were handled by his family.

Here it is: From People Magazine

Nelson, who appeared on the show to promote the upcoming My Name Is Prince exhibition at London’s O2 Arena, also admitted that the loss of her brother drove her back into dangerous habits. The 57-year-old had struggled with an addiction to crack cocaine in the wake of her parents’ death years earlier, but Prince had supported her trip to get clean in a rehab facility.

Now with Prince’s passing, she risked a relapse. “I had the hardest time [out of all her siblings]. We had spent all of our lives together. It probably only hit me last October.” she says. “This is the first time I’ve not used drugs and alcohol to mask the pain of grief. This is the first time what I’m feeling has come out in music, not drugs and alcohol.”

Tyka didn't spend her life with Prince. Everybody around Prince, different people during different period of time, know she never was there. The last couple of years she was in charge for some jobs, but she was never into Prince life. Whatever she is telling now doesn't change this truth.

Thanks, we know that. What I am talking about is the highlighted part about how she didn't start using again after P's death.

PennyPurple said:

pupa1 said:

Tyka didn't spend her life with Prince. Everybody around Prince, different people during different period of time, know she never was there. The last couple of years she was in charge for some jobs, but she was never into Prince life. Whatever she is telling now doesn't change this truth.

Thanks, we know that. What I am talking about is the highlighted part about how she didn't start using again after P's death.

Glad you're aware of Tyka not to be trustworthy...anyway her words say nothing...I don't know her in person but people i trust gave me a deep insight about her..

pupa1 said:

PennyPurple said:

Thanks, we know that. What I am talking about is the highlighted part about how she didn't start using again after P's death.

Glad you're aware of Tyka not to be trustworthy...anyway her words say nothing...I don't know her in person but people i trust gave me a deep insight about her..

What did the people you trust explain to you about Tyka?

purplefam99 said:

Has anyone seen the show Nurse Jackie? It tells the story of a super high functioning nurse who is a pill addict. It speaks to how someone could be on pills and really perform their job to a high degree. It is still a sad tale but Worth a watch to see this thru an albeit dramatic lense. I think she starts using from a sprained back. But can’t see herself as anything but a nurse and how enabling is a fuzzy relationship.

That's a well-written show. I think Wendy and Lisa created the music.

leec1 said:

pupa1 said:

Glad you're aware of Tyka not to be trustworthy...anyway her words say nothing...I don't know her in person but people i trust gave me a deep insight about her..

What did the people you trust explain to you about Tyka?

I am not here to tell hearsay, just one thing as an example: the day after prince death she asked about the value of his musical equipment. I have nothing to say more about her, for me it's enough..

pupa1 said:

I've always felt that Prince was getting the pills from Tyka and maybe her husband. I think that maybe she knew the pills were laced. Just how I've always felt. I feel that she didn't care much for Prince and she was jealous of him. I've never cared for her and from some one that I once knew that dated his sister Sharon, Prince always knew Tyka was bad news. I think he got close to her after he had his hip surgery because she could get him the pills. Tyka knew the streets. She knows and knew where to get stuff. Prince trusted her to get him pain killers and she helped get him addicted. Just how I've always felt about this. But, I could be wrong.

justalongtimefan said:

I've always felt that Prince was getting the pills from Tyka and maybe her husband. I think that maybe she knew the pills were laced. Just how I've always felt. I feel that she didn't care much for Prince and she was jealous of him. I've never cared for her and from some one that I once knew that dated his sister Sharon, Prince always knew Tyka was bad news. I think he got close to her after he had his hip surgery because she could get him the pills. Tyka knew the streets. She knows and knew where to get stuff. Prince trusted her to get him pain killers and she helped get him addicted. Just how I've always felt about this. But, I could be wrong.

Thanks for posting this; this theory has been rattling around in my mind for a LONG time, too. All you Orgers from Minnie out there...can you fill in some blanks?

justalongtimefan said:

I've always felt that Prince was getting the pills from Tyka and maybe her husband. I think that maybe she knew the pills were laced. Just how I've always felt. I feel that she didn't care much for Prince and she was jealous of him. I've never cared for her and from some one that I once knew that dated his sister Sharon, Prince always knew Tyka was bad news. I think he got close to her after he had his hip surgery because she could get him the pills. Tyka knew the streets. She knows and knew where to get stuff. Prince trusted her to get him pain killers and she helped get him addicted. Just how I've always felt about this. But, I could be wrong.

As you can see from my previous posts I completely agree ( based on some facts ) Tyka didn't care at all about Prince. But I don't think Prince based his pill needs on her, I guess he din't completely trust her either and he was way to smart to give her that kind of power. More his kind of "strange" addiction began back in the days ( at least at the end of '90 ) and Tyka was never a part of Prince's entourage ( very few people and fewer for a long period of time ). To really find who knows more you have to look at his security/ facttotum men over the years : Gilbert, Duane Nelson, Joey Guzman, Aaron, Trevor and Kirk the one always there in and out spot light. Morris Hayes was the only musician that since 1990 was always working and walking around PP. Takumi that was his favorite guitar tech of all times was with him and very close for ten years. All tthat guys know more about him than anyone else concerning the time they were with him, but they will never talk and I fully understand that..he was very demanding and hard to please and now he is gone I don't see them tell anything more he was a musical genius..

pupa1 said:

justalongtimefan said:

I've always felt that Prince was getting the pills from Tyka and maybe her husband. I think that maybe she knew the pills were laced. Just how I've always felt. I feel that she didn't care much for Prince and she was jealous of him. I've never cared for her and from some one that I once knew that dated his sister Sharon, Prince always knew Tyka was bad news. I think he got close to her after he had his hip surgery because she could get him the pills. Tyka knew the streets. She knows and knew where to get stuff. Prince trusted her to get him pain killers and she helped get him addicted. Just how I've always felt about this. But, I could be wrong.

As you can see from my previous posts I completely agree ( based on some facts ) Tyka didn't care at all about Prince. But I don't think Prince based his pill needs on her, I guess he din't completely trust her either and he was way to smart to give her that kind of power. More his kind of "strange" addiction began back in the days ( at least at the end of '90 ) and Tyka was never a part of Prince's entourage ( very few people and fewer for a long period of time ). To really find who knows more you have to look at his security/ facttotum men over the years : Gilbert, Duane Nelson, Joey Guzman, Aaron, Trevor and Kirk the one always there in and out spot light. Morris Hayes was the only musician that since 1990 was always working and walking around PP. Takumi that was his favorite guitar tech of all times was with him and very close for ten years. All tthat guys know more about him than anyone else concerning the time they were with him, but they will never talk and I fully understand that..he was very demanding and hard to please and now he is gone I don't see them tell anything more he was a musical genius..

Exactly. He was always on the go, even when not touring, never home for longer periods of time. Going overseas. Tyka wasn't there.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

justalongtimefan said:

I've always felt that Prince was getting the pills from Tyka and maybe her husband. I think that maybe she knew the pills were laced. Just how I've always felt. I feel that she didn't care much for Prince and she was jealous of him. I've never cared for her and from some one that I once knew that dated his sister Sharon, Prince always knew Tyka was bad news. I think he got close to her after he had his hip surgery because she could get him the pills. Tyka knew the streets. She knows and knew where to get stuff. Prince trusted her to get him pain killers and she helped get him addicted. Just how I've always felt about this. But, I could be wrong.

Thanks for posting this; this theory has been rattling around in my mind for a LONG time, too. All you Orgers from Minnie out there...can you fill in some blanks?

I have never thought they were close. People kept bringing up that she was a "full" sibling after he died - all that meant was she therefore wanted a bigger share of the estate than that of the "half" siblings. Thus, the two factions at war with each other over the estate, and her use of different attorneys, sitting by herself with them at meetings, etc. She was just too calm, cool and Cheetos-collected for me to think she was broken up about losing her meal ticket. Now, she would have access to the money without having to deal with him. Or so she thought ... As for the pills: I still think he had local access through someone he knew from the old days, someone who would keep quiet.

1Sasha said:

Camileyun said:

1Sasha said:

I have never thought they were close. People kept bringing up that she was a "full" sibling after he died - all that meant was she therefore wanted a bigger share of the estate than that of the "half" siblings. Thus, the two factions at war with each other over the estate, and her use of different attorneys, sitting by herself with them at meetings, etc. She was just too calm, cool and Cheetos-collected for me to think she was broken up about losing her meal ticket. Now, she would have access to the money without having to deal with him. Or so she thought ... As for the pills: I still think he had local access through someone he knew from the old days, someone who would keep quiet.

Theo overheard Phaedra telling Tyka (the day of Ps passing) that they would go to the bank the next day and sort out paying bills (pg.180). Was Tyka concerned about paying the electric bill? Doubt it...she probably wanted her $10,000 for her takedowns. Your brother dies and that is your concern? She was also seen at the last PP party "pushing" P for something.

Prince asked Tyka to attend. NOONE walked into PP uninvited.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Camileyun said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Prince asked Tyka to attend. NOONE walked into PP uninvited.

Not even close to the point.

It is when your trying to turn Tyka's LAST visit with her brother into a negative one with that negative remark. "She was also seen at the last PP party "pushing" P for something". She was Prince's ONLY full blooded relative left, that he invited to PP. He obviously still cared for her. U can't take that away from them with your insinuations that she was there for your own selfish reasons..

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Hi all-I noticed that this thread has been less travelled recently. Before it self-closes, are we finished

with our discussions re: this topic? I am work now and a little distracted but will check in later with ideas.

I sincerely hope that this thread doesn't end, because there are orgers here who have investigated better than any other people.

Camileyun said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

It is when your trying to turn Tyka's LAST visit with her brother into a negative one with that negative remark. "She was also seen at the last PP party "pushing" P for something". She was Prince's ONLY full blooded relative left, that he invited to PP. He obviously still cared for her. U can't take that away from them with your insinuations that she was there for your own selfish reasons..

Take it up with Vera Morgan, pg. 148 of the IR. She states that Tyka and her husband Reese were showing up more and more at concerts and dance parties and it appeared Tyka was "pressing Prince for something". It may not have been the very last dance party, but a recent one (sorry). [Edited 8/15/18 9:03am]

Wow and why didn't the cops ask her about it? I mean, I will never believe that Prince was murdered, but I kind of understand why some people believe that he was. I get it, we all know about that stuff because of the files, everybody who's interested can read them and everybody sees it in a different light I guess.

Before we got them files I never understood why one would believe that somebody bought them pills and really knew that there was fentanyl in them and the exact dose.

The cops should've settled this once and for all, asking them all out and yes, see if there was any motive for anyone to harm Prince in any way. I mean isn't this the basics?

But I still believe that it was something like this: Prince took the last pill without knowing he would die, the people around him where enablers and opportunists, I think they knew that they wouldn't have to kill him, because his situation was so bad that it could've happened any time soon, they just had to wait and act like they tried their best to get him help ( you know for their own conscience ). And now they can live off of him. The only thing they could've been charged for was getting these pills for him but as we know, there's no evidence for that (but I really believe that they did).

1Sasha said:

I sincerely hope that this thread doesn't end, because there are orgers here who have investigated better than any other people.

Yeah, I don't know where they got this thread was ending, because it isn't.

Camileyun said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

It is when your trying to turn Tyka's LAST visit with her brother into a negative one with that negative remark. "She was also seen at the last PP party "pushing" P for something". She was Prince's ONLY full blooded relative left, that he invited to PP. He obviously still cared for her. U can't take that away from them with your insinuations that she was there for your own selfish reasons..

Take it up with Vera Morgan, pg. 148 of the IR. She states that Tyka and her husband Reese were showing up more and more at concerts and dance parties and it appeared Tyka was "pressing Prince for something". It may not have been the very last dance party, but a recent one (sorry). [Edited 8/15/18 9:03am]

I know Vera and she probably witnessed some kind of discussion between Prince and Tyka. But nobody knows the words and matters of their conversation and one thing I am pretty sure: nobody could press Prince for anything, he was the one deciding, he was the one in control. I keep on telling Tyka wasn't important in Prince's world. Tyka wasn't with him in Atlanta, Tyka wasn't with him his last days but Kirk. Kirk was tne one with him in the doctor video camera, Kirk was the one going to buy medications, Kirk was the one calling the California doctors to come and visit him.

pupa1 said:

PennyPurple said:

1Sasha said:

I sincerely hope that this thread doesn't end, because there are orgers here who have investigated better than any other people.

Yeah, I don't know where they got this thread was ending, because it isn't.

Just to clarify, I noticed that there was less "traffic'" recently and wanted folks to know that it would self-close in the near future and wanted us to address any residual issues we still have.

peggyon said:

PennyPurple said:

Yeah, I don't know where they got this thread was ending, because it isn't.

Just to clarify, I noticed that there was less "traffic'" recently and wanted folks to know that it would self-close in the near future and wanted us to address any residual issues we still have.

Ok. Gotcha!

So I didn't read all 60 plus pages of this thread and I have no idea who Verga Morgan is (sorry), so I googled and found one of her FB postings directed to Andy Allo from 6 years ago:

https://www.facebook.com/andyallo/posts/as-far-as-prince-allegedly/10150404383970197/

"As far as Prince allegedly stating "Cuz I Love U" -- I am sure he only meant that as JW Christian love and that a 53 old man saying he loves a 22 year old in any other manner would seem rather ridiculous. I would recommend you not misinterpret the meaning IF he actually made that statement. I also highly recommend no longer posting things regarding Prince which could provide a false impression of his intentions.


I'm just thinking she was a little off on her think on that one... just my opinion.