Yes, it makes you wonder doesn't it Benni. Sort of what I was saying to Penny a few minutes ago. He just seemed to be failing, physically. Maybe drugs. Maybe illness. Who really knows, but it's very sad in either case.

benni said:

PennyPurple said:

Thanks benni.

Penny, I mentioned one time before, in another thread not long after he passed, my concern was real. I had mentioned to a friend on the 17th, who was wondering why Prince was suddenly doing these intimate concerts, why he had dedicated the Piano & Mic shows to his dad, why he was writing a memoir, that "Prince is thinking about giving up this mortal coil." After we got the news that he passed, I was talking with that friend and told him, "I take it back!" He told me that I couldn't, and even if I could, it wouldn't change anything.

Later, I was looking through some old emails I had sent him about some dreams I had had, one from December 2016 in which I told him that Prince was going to die, and another, along the same vein from October/November of 2016.

Camileyun said:

benni said:

Was I worried about him during the concert? Yes. He did look extremely thin. And at one point, I thought he looked ill, but it could have been the lighting as well, because when the lighting changed, his color improved.

Since you sensed something during the concert, if only for a moment, when you first heard about plane incident, were you as surprised as many of us?

Yes, I was. But when they originally reported that it was dehydration, I thought that might make sense as to what I was sensing, and had wished I had yelled at him, "Drink some water! You've been going all night, you need to drink water!"

benni said:[quote]

PennyPurple said:

benni said:

Was I worried about him during the concert? Yes. He did look extremely thin. And at one point, I thought he looked ill, but it could have been the lighting as well, because when the lighting changed, his color improved.

Thanks benni.

Penny, I mentioned one time before, in another thread not long after he passed, my concern was real. I had mentioned to a friend on the 17th, who was wondering why Prince was suddenly doing these intimate concerts, why he had dedicated the Piano & Mic shows to his dad, why he was writing a memoir, that "Prince is thinking about giving up this mortal coil." After we got the news that he passed, I was talking with that friend and told him, "I take it back!" He told me that I couldn't, and even if I could, it wouldn't change anything.

Later, I was looking through some old emails I had sent him about some dreams I had had, one from December 2016 in which I told him that Prince was going to die, and another, along the same vein from October/November of 2016.

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Never discount your intuition.

Nola said:

Yes, it makes you wonder doesn't it Benni. Sort of what I was saying to Penny a few minutes ago. He just seemed to be failing, physically. Maybe drugs. Maybe illness. Who really knows, but it's very sad in either case.

benni said:

Penny, I mentioned one time before, in another thread not long after he passed, my concern was real. I had mentioned to a friend on the 17th, who was wondering why Prince was suddenly doing these intimate concerts, why he had dedicated the Piano & Mic shows to his dad, why he was writing a memoir, that "Prince is thinking about giving up this mortal coil." After we got the news that he passed, I was talking with that friend and told him, "I take it back!" He told me that I couldn't, and even if I could, it wouldn't change anything.

Later, I was looking through some old emails I had sent him about some dreams I had had, one from December 2016 in which I told him that Prince was going to die, and another, along the same vein from October/November of 2016.

I think I was picking up on that change in appearance and it worried me. Having worked hospice, working with elderly and people with disabilities, it just kind of really stood out to me. Usually when there is that big of a change in appearance, even relating for age, means something is going on.

benni said:

Yet, his voice...still amazing...

benni said:

Yes and nothing with Prince is a cocincedent I think the V being made with the spotlights on him was intentional.

Camileyun said:

Maybe both times.

Camileyun said:

I also agree with you Benni and have watched the concert footage from that night ...the picture is just a moment at the end there are a few photos of him that night that appear he had a sad thought...and he was always a performer who's face shared his emotions throughout his career.
I don't believe he thought this was going to be his last concert...I do think he had Denise on his mind and heart

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

benni said:

That "V" was actually two spotlights shining down on the piano from different angles, spotlighting Prince and the piano. I was at the last two concerts.

Yes and nothing with Prince is a cocincedent I think the V being made with the spotlights on him was intentional.

It's based on the venue and how their lighting system is set up or how they can set up the light system when they get ready for the show. Some allow more diversity with lighting, other venues are limited on where they can set up the lights. But again, that was only a moment in a time, and the lights were constantly changing.

CatB said:

Are my words not a possibility in your view?

Camileyun said:[quote]

benni said:

Cami is right never discount intuition it is a blessing and a burden
But never discount it

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Well, I am sorry to hear that (that the ‘family’ is taking this further)
How about being grateful the pilot landed the plane unplanned, and the medics were waiting on the tarmac TO BRING HIM BACK TO LIFE, with not 1, but 2, Narcon shots.
I am not a perfect person,
but it is morally wrong to try and get money out of that hospital.

mnfriend said:

I agree, unless the hospital completely botched following some protocol, it seems unreasonable. I thought Tyka was saying she wasn't interested in pursuing legal action against anyone and just wanted to move on.
[Edited 8/10/18 17:14pm]

Was just scrolling thru Google News and came across a headline about 1 of the Real Housewives of NY, ex boyfriend died of an overdose yesterday.

Guess who's picture is next to the headline and it has nothing to do with him? Prince at the Superbowl.

I guess Prince is now the poster boy for Od's.

Why don't they just use that dudes pic?

Looks like these addicts are carrying their own Narcan, this guy was, so was Demi.

PennyPurple said:

Was just scrolling thru Google News and came across a headline about 1 of the Real Housewives of NY, ex boyfriend died of an overdose yesterday.

Guess who's picture is next to the headline and it has nothing to do with him? Prince at the Superbowl.

I guess Prince is now the poster boy for Od's.

Why don't they just use that dudes pic?

Looks like these addicts are carrying their own Narcan, this guy was, so was Demi.

Also, Nebraska was just 'cleared' to carry out country's first Fentanyl execution...I feel the floodgates for painful stories about Prince beginning to open.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/08/10/nebraska-cleared-to-carry-out-countrys-first-fentanyl-execution-judge-says/?utm_term=.0b0f54b4dd37

"A federal judge on Friday rejected a drug company’s request to block Nebraska from using what the company believes are its products in an execution next week, clearing the way for the state to carry out its first lethal injection and the country’s first exe...d fentanyl."

Camileyun said:

mnfriend said:

Well, I am sorry to hear that (that the ‘family’ is taking this further) How about being grateful the pilot landed the plane unplanned, and the medics were waiting on the tarmac TO BRING HIM BACK TO LIFE, with not 1, but 2, Narcon shots. I am not a perfect person, but it is morally wrong to try and get money out of that hospital.

I agree, unless the hospital completely botched following some protocol, it seems unreasonable. I thought Tyka was saying she wasn't interested in pursuing legal action against anyone and just wanted to move on. [Edited 8/10/18 17:14pm]

Tyka seems VERY much at peace with Prince's(R.I.P.) transitoning. Even though she admitted to have started back "Using" afterwards.

PennyPurple said:

Was just scrolling thru Google News and came across a headline about 1 of the Real Housewives of NY, ex boyfriend died of an overdose yesterday.

Guess who's picture is next to the headline and it has nothing to do with him? Prince at the Superbowl.

I guess Prince is now the poster boy for Od's.

Why don't they just use that dudes pic?

Looks like these addicts are carrying their own Narcan, this guy was, so was Demi.

Yes Prince is now the posterboy for OD's

Vashtix said:

It is ironic...all that time and effort wasted hiding his addiction...and now, this. Would people have been carrying their own Narcan if this had not happened to Prince? Maybe not, so there is a silver lining (albeit, unintentional), so he is still a force, even without being here. Because we are going through this drug crisis now, they will use him as a poster boy, but, eventually it will die down, and only morons will see him in that light. The media will do anything for clicks...but most people with a brain will remember P for what really matters.

My aunt had ovarian cancer and it spread to her intestines and she was in alot of pain toward the end, and was on strong fentanyl along with pain pills and other stuff. She was on so much stuff for her pain that her doc gave her take home narcan and my uncle was instructed to give her a shot if she over-dosed or had major suppression in her breathing.

These pain pills and fentanyl patches fo help with pain but can be deadly if not managed properly or for certain people's systems. Insane.

Just watched an HBO special on Whitney Huston's life called, called, "Can I be Me?"

I see so many parallels among Prince, Whitney and Prince that are so tragic.

There must have be a terrible toll taken to "cross-over" to larger audiences and often suppress who they were. Whitney had to erase alot of her blackness to attract a whiter audience; Michael had plastic surgery to a very unhealthy degree and functionally erased his ethnicity. Prince had an "Italian" father and also also likely plastic surgery. For a period of time, P's skin seem to be geting lighter and lighter

I think they all suffered from childhood abuse/neglect in different ways. Apparently, Sissy Huston was on the road for 3+ years and Whitney and her siblings lived with friends and familiy members. She was also abused by a cousin. (A woman).

Of course, Michael had an abusive father but loving mother But I do not think she was able to protect him from his father.

Then there was Prince who suffered from parental neglect and possible intermittent abuse.

Their world in entertainment was full of hangers-on and other unsavory types.

And, all three died tragic deaths, relativley young. All were heavily addicted.

I think we need to look at what happened to these three. Lonely childhoods, great talent, those who took advantage of that (though I think Prince was strongest that way) And, having image take the place of authenticity.

My thoughts...

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Tyka seems VERY much at peace with Prince's(R.I.P.) transitoning. Even though she admitted to have started back "Using" afterwards.

Please show the link.

This has been discussed here, and she hasn't started using again. She said Prince's service was the 1st time she didn't use. Meaning the other services sent her into a tailspin and she was using. This is the 1st time she hasn't used for a service.

Again, show the link.

NO need for you to show a link YOU don't have. Here it is: From People Magazine

Nelson, who appeared on the show to promote the upcoming My Name Is Prince exhibition at London’s O2 Arena, also admitted that the loss of her brother drove her back into dangerous habits. The 57-year-old had struggled with an addiction to crack cocaine in the wake of her parents’ death years earlier, but Prince had supported her trip to get clean in a rehab facility.

Now with Prince’s passing, she risked a relapse. “I had the hardest time [out of all her siblings]. We had spent all of our lives together. It probably only hit me last October.” she says. “This is the first time I’ve not used drugs and alcohol to mask the pain of grief. This is the first time what I’m feeling has come out in music, not drugs and alcohol.”

[Edited 8/11/18 12:26pm]

The thing that ticked me off, is it wasn't even a story about Prince, and yet there is his pic.

I never see a pic of Tom Petty used this way. Always Prince.

Oddly, I found parallels with Amy Winehouse as well. Lots of differences of course. (her addiction was way out in the open; his was not.) But parallels as well. Both had musician fathers who left their families resulting in divorce and came back into their lives when fame hit. . Both had passive mothers who let others tell them what to do. Both had mood swings and possibly depression that they never got treated for appropriately. Both may have had eating disorders. She definitely had bulimia. He may have had anorexia. Both were criticized and made fun of in the press (her more so than him but in his early years he was often made fun of for his eccentricity. Both were obsessed with music and only truely comfortable in musical settings. She was social, but mostly when drugs/drink were involved. Both were highly sexual people. Both hid behind costumes and highly outrageous fashion. Both seemed particularly uncomfortable with fame..(she was a bit worse off in that regard because she couldn't hide in her own musical compound.) BTW, the Amy doctumentary film was brilliant--it made me angry at her parents (her dad literally told her at one point she didn't need rehab), made me love some of her friends who tried so hard to get her help, made me mad at anyone who poked fun at her for her problem (George Lopez, in particular, was cruel with his jokes), and made me love Amy (flaws and all) for her feisty, damaged, sensitive, and warm heart. BTW, Amy could throw down shade on lesser-sell-out musicians in ways that would make P proud..

peggyon said:

Just watched an HBO special on Whitney Huston's life called, called, "Can I be Me?"

I see so many parallels among Prince, Whitney and Prince that are so tragic.

There must have be a terrible toll taken to "cross-over" to larger audiences and often suppress who they were. Whitney had to erase alot of her blackness to attract a whiter audience; Michael had plastic surgery to a very unhealthy degree and functionally erased his ethnicity. Prince had an "Italian" father and also also likely plastic surgery. For a period of time, P's skin seem to be geting lighter and lighter

I think they all suffered from childhood abuse/neglect in different ways. Apparently, Sissy Huston was on the road for 3+ years and Whitney and her siblings lived with friends and familiy members. She was also abused by a cousin. (A woman).

Of course, Michael had an abusive father but loving mother But I do not think she was able to protect him from his father.

Then there was Prince who suffered from parental neglect and possible intermittent abuse.

Their world in entertainment was full of hangers-on and other unsavory types.

And, all three died tragic deaths, relativley young. All were heavily addicted.

I think we need to look at what happened to these three. Lonely childhoods, great talent, those who took advantage of that (though I think Prince was strongest that way) And, having image take the place of authenticity.

My thoughts...

[Edited 8/11/18 14:09pm]

I don't know if it is a race thing or a fame thing or a bit of both.

PennyPurple said:

The thing that ticked me off, is it wasn't even a story about Prince, and yet there is his pic.

I never see a pic of Tom Petty used this way. Always Prince.

Maybe the way P died scared her straight a bit.

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Tyka seems VERY much at peace with Prince's(R.I.P.) transitoning. Even though she admitted to have started back "Using" afterwards.

Please show the link.

This has been discussed here, and she hasn't started using again. She said Prince's service was the 1st time she didn't use. Meaning the other services sent her into a tailspin and she was using. This is the 1st time she hasn't used for a service.

Again, show the link.

NO need for you to show a link YOU don't have. Here it is: From People Magazine

Nelson, who appeared on the show to promote the upcoming My Name Is Prince exhibition at London’s O2 Arena, also admitted that the loss of her brother drove her back into dangerous habits. The 57-year-old had struggled with an addiction to crack cocaine in the wake of her parents’ death years earlier, but Prince had supported her trip to get clean in a rehab facility.

Now with Prince’s passing, she risked a relapse. “I had the hardest time [out of all her siblings]. We had spent all of our lives together. It probably only hit me last October.” she says. “This is the first time I’ve not used drugs and alcohol to mask the pain of grief. This is the first time what I’m feeling has come out in music, not drugs and alcohol.”

[Edited 8/11/18 12:26pm]

Yeah, likely fame as well. Somebody said there are no accidental stars...

One difference between Amy and Prince, MJ and Whitney was Amy was allowed to remain physically intact; no plastic surgery or erasure of who she was ethnically.

They allowed her to be the bad girl whereas Whitney needed to change who she was. (This was another time as well)

Likely many of these tragic endings seem to have their roots in a damaged childhood. Amy, too.

SkipperLove said:

Oddly, I found parallels with Amy Winehouse as well. Lots of differences of course. (her addiction was way out in the open; his was not.) But parallels as well. Both had musician fathers who left their families resulting in divorce and came back into their lives when fame hit. . Both had passive mothers who let others tell them what to do. Both had mood swings and possibly depression that they never got treated for appropriately. Both may have had eating disorders. She definitely had bilemia. He may have had anorexia. Both were criticized and made fun of in the press (her more so than him but in his early years he was often made fun of for his eccentricity. Both were obsessed with music and only truely comfortable in musical settings. She was social, but mostly when drugs/drink were involved. Both were highly sexual people. Both hid behind costumes and highly outrageous fashion. Both seemed particularly uncomfortable with fame..(she was a bit worse off in that regard because she couldn't hide in her own musical compound.) BTW, the Amy doctumentary film was brilliant--it made me angry at her parents (her dad literally told her at one point she didn't need rehab), made me love some of her friends who tried so hard to get her help, made me mad at anyone who poked fun at her for her problem (George Lopez, in particular, was cruel with his jokes), and made me love Amy (flaws and all) for her feisty, damaged, sensitive, and warm heart. BTW, Amy could throw down shade on lesser-sell-out musicians in ways that would make P proud..

peggyon said:

Just watched an HBO special on Whitney Huston's life called, called, "Can I be Me?"

I see so many parallels among Prince, Whitney and Prince that are so tragic.

There must have be a terrible toll taken to "cross-over" to larger audiences and often suppress who they were. Whitney had to erase alot of her blackness to attract a whiter audience; Michael had plastic surgery to a very unhealthy degree and functionally erased his ethnicity. Prince had an "Italian" father and also also likely plastic surgery. For a period of time, P's skin seem to be geting lighter and lighter

I think they all suffered from childhood abuse/neglect in different ways. Apparently, Sissy Huston was on the road for 3+ years and Whitney and her siblings lived with friends and familiy members. She was also abused by a cousin. (A woman).

Of course, Michael had an abusive father but loving mother But I do not think she was able to protect him from his father.

Then there was Prince who suffered from parental neglect and possible intermittent abuse.

Their world in entertainment was full of hangers-on and other unsavory types.

And, all three died tragic deaths, relativley young. All were heavily addicted.

I think we need to look at what happened to these three. Lonely childhoods, great talent, those who took advantage of that (though I think Prince was strongest that way) And, having image take the place of authenticity.

My thoughts...

[Edited 8/11/18 14:24pm]

peggyon said:

Amy had breast implants.

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Tyka seems VERY much at peace with Prince's(R.I.P.) transitoning. Even though she admitted to have started back "Using" afterwards.

Please show the link.

This has been discussed here, and she hasn't started using again. She said Prince's service was the 1st time she didn't use. Meaning the other services sent her into a tailspin and she was using. This is the 1st time she hasn't used for a service.

Again, show the link.

NO need for you to show a link YOU don't have. Here it is: From People Magazine

Nelson, who appeared on the show to promote the upcoming My Name Is Prince exhibition at London’s O2 Arena, also admitted that the loss of her brother drove her back into dangerous habits. The 57-year-old had struggled with an addiction to crack cocaine in the wake of her parents’ death years earlier, but Prince had supported her trip to get clean in a rehab facility.

Now with Prince’s passing, she risked a relapse. “I had the hardest time [out of all her siblings]. We had spent all of our lives together. It probably only hit me last October.” she says. “This is the first time I’ve not used drugs and alcohol to mask the pain of grief. This is the first time what I’m feeling has come out in music, not drugs and alcohol.”

[Edited 8/11/18 12:26pm]

[Edited 8/11/18 15:07pm]

Lets be real. Lot's of us had damaged childhoods and didn't turn to alcohol or drugs.

SkipperLove said:

I don't know if it is a race thing or a fame thing or a bit of both.

PennyPurple said:

The thing that ticked me off, is it wasn't even a story about Prince, and yet there is his pic.

I never see a pic of Tom Petty used this way. Always Prince.

It has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with them making Prince a poster child for narc use. Prince's pic shouldn't have been next to that google headline. It should've been the dudes picture that died.