ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

Please show the link.

This has been discussed here, and she hasn't started using again. She said Prince's service was the 1st time she didn't use. Meaning the other services sent her into a tailspin and she was using. This is the 1st time she hasn't used for a service.

Again, show the link.

NO need for you to show a link YOU don't have. Here it is: From People Magazine

Nelson, who appeared on the show to promote the upcoming My Name Is Prince exhibition at London’s O2 Arena, also admitted that the loss of her brother drove her back into dangerous habits. The 57-year-old had struggled with an addiction to crack cocaine in the wake of her parents’ death years earlier, but Prince had supported her trip to get clean in a rehab facility.

Now with Prince’s passing, she risked a relapse. “I had the hardest time [out of all her siblings]. We had spent all of our lives together. It probably only hit me last October.” she says. “This is the first time I’ve not used drugs and alcohol to mask the pain of grief. This is the first time what I’m feeling has come out in music, not drugs and alcohol.”

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Don't address me! I was NOT replying to U! I'm so sick of U.

Then get your shit straight and stop telling lies.

HA got you before you deleted.

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PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

Lets be real. Lot's of us had damaged childhoods and didn't turn to alcohol or drugs.

Gosh, Penny, you seem really angry today.

I do think that they all had that in common.

Krystalkisses said:

PennyPurple said:

Lets be real. Lot's of us had damaged childhoods and didn't turn to alcohol or drugs.

That is true , but sometimes it manifests it's self in other ways...like excessive eating, shopaholics, getting onto abusive relationships, promiscuity...thrre are many different ways people can abuse themselves due to a traumatic childhood..at its core all these vices are a distraction and an attempt to get away from pain and an attempt to self sooth.

That's true.

She is a woman who had breast implants and was bulimic. Of course, she felt her appearance wasn't good enough for the industry she was in.

Krystalkisses said:

peggyon said:

Yeah, likely fame as well. Somebody said there are no accidental stars...

One difference between Amy and Prince, MJ and Whitney was Amy was allowed to remain physically intact; no plastic surgery or erasure of who she was ethnically.

They allowed her to be the bad girl whereas Whitney needed to change who she was. (This was another time as well)

Likely many of these tragic endings seem to have their roots in a damaged childhood. Amy, too.

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Amy had breast implants.

peggyon said:

PennyPurple said:

Lets be real. Lot's of us had damaged childhoods and didn't turn to alcohol or drugs.

Gosh, Penny, you seem really angry today.

I do think that they all had that in common.

No, just saying a lot of us have been thru these same trials too and we didn't resort to drug or alcohol use. I think each one of us have suffered some traumatic events in our lives.

It may be because they are so artistic that they have a super sensitive soul inside of them, and that's why they were such great songwriters, etc.

Penny, I think you might have misunderstood what I was trying to get out. I was wondering if writers/media using prince as the poster boy for opiods (over Tom Petty or Carrie Fisher or other known substance abusers) was because of racism or because of his fame or both.

PennyPurple said:

SkipperLove said:

I don't know if it is a race thing or a fame thing or a bit of both.

It has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with them making Prince a poster child for narc use. Prince's pic shouldn't have been next to that google headline. It should've been the dudes picture that died.

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SkipperLove said:

SkipperLove said:

SkipperLove said:

Penny, I think you might have misunderstood what I was trying to get out. I was wondering if writers/media using prince as the poster boy for opiods (over Tom Petty or Carrie Fisher or other known substance abusers) was because of racism or because of his fame or both.

PennyPurple said:

It has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with them making Prince a poster child for narc use. Prince's pic shouldn't have been next to that google headline. It should've been the dudes picture that died.

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I stll don't think it has to do with race. I think when people hear the word OD and Narcan together they see Prince. It ticks me off because he has become a poster child. The guy who died yesterday was in the limelight. They have plenty of pictures of him. They are doing his legacy a huge disfavor and they didn't need to bring Prince into it.

I was agreeing with you in reference to someone else saying that she didn't have to change her appearance. Sorry.

Krystalkisses said:

SkipperLove said:

She is a woman who had breast implants and was bulimic. Of course, she felt her appearance wasn't good enough for the industry she was in.

Yes, that was my point.

Krystalkisses said:

Nevermind [Edited 8/11/18 15:56pm]

You deleted your comment, but you made a good point. Fentanyl.

Fair point about that specific case. . But I still think that the constant reference to his drug usage in other articles about him when Petty's, George Michael's, Fisher's and others' usage isn't mentioned in articles about them is a bit suspicious.

PennyPurple said:

SkipperLove said:

Penny, I think you might have misunderstood what I was trying to get out. I was wondering if writers/media using prince as the poster boy for opiods (over Tom Petty or Carrie Fisher or other known substance abusers) was because of racism or because of his fame or both.

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I stll don't think it has to do with race. I think when people hear the word OD and Narcan together they see Prince. It ticks me off because he has become a poster child. The guy who died yesterday was in the limelight. They have plenty of pictures of him. They are doing his legacy a huge disfavor and they didn't need to bring Prince into it.

SkipperLove said:

I was agreeing with you in reference to someone else saying that she didn't have to change her appearance. Sorry.

Krystalkisses said:

SkipperLove said: Yes, that was my point.

Hi Guys-Not to belabor this but I was referring to changing/erasing ethnic markers.

I am caucasian and I think most of us in this discussion are as well. (I am surmising)

It just seems more painful to me that someone would feel the pressure to change that core part of themselves. It feels qualitatively different (to me) than breast augmentation.

PennyPurple said:

SkipperLove said:

Fair point about that specific case. . But I still think that the constant reference to his drug usage in other articles about him when Petty's, George Michael's, Fisher's and others' usage isn't mentioned in articles about them is a bit suspicious.

PennyPurple said:

I stll don't think it has to do with race. I think when people hear the word OD and Narcan together they see Prince. It ticks me off because he has become a poster child. The guy who died yesterday was in the limelight. They have plenty of pictures of him. They are doing his legacy a huge disfavor and they didn't need to bring Prince into it.

George Michael didn't die of an overdose, he was clean. I'm sure his past drug usage played a role in his early death. Then again, we all knew of these peoples drug usage, it wasn't a secret. We didn't know Prince's drug usage and it kicked us in the gut.

I just hate that his picture is being used in this way.

peggyon said:

the problem that i have with these threads is people aka his fans making assumptions about his life or being his therapist .

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PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Don't address me! I was NOT replying to U! I'm so sick of U.

Then get your shit straight and stop telling lies.

HA got you before you deleted.

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That's NOT a lie!!! Tyka said in a televised interview in so many words that she briefly relapsed.

Admitted that the loss of her brother drove her BACK into "dangerous habits".

Your stalkerish behaviour, following me in EVERY thread, combing through EVERYTHING I say needs to STOP! U have an obsession with me that's not normal.

I DON'T LIE & DON'T HAVE TO!

PennyPurple said:

Lets be real. Lot's of us had damaged childhoods and didn't turn to alcohol or drugs.

We can't use that to downplay another's path. We can't judge the path another person walks because they somehow found a different coping mechanism than the one we turned to. Statistic shows that more people with damaged childhoods turn to alcohol and drugs, than those that don't. Those of us that didn't turn to alcohol or drugs are the anamoly, not the norm.

People who have experienced trauma are:

• 15 times more likely to attempt suicide
• 4 times more likely to become an alcoholic
• 4 times more likely to develop a sexually transmitted disease
• 4 times more likely to inject drugs
• 3 times more likely to use antidepressant medication
• 3 times more likely to be absent from work
• 3 times more likely to experience depression
• 3 times more likely to have serious job problems
• 2.5 times more likely to smoke
• 2 times more likely to develop chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
• 2 times more likely to have a serious financial problems

SkipperLove said:

Penny, I think you might have misunderstood what I was trying to get out. I was wondering if writers/media using prince as the poster boy for opiods (over Tom Petty or Carrie Fisher or other known substance abusers) was because of racism or because of his fame or both.

PennyPurple said:

It has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with them making Prince a poster child for narc use. Prince's pic shouldn't have been next to that google headline. It should've been the dudes picture that died.

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I think it's because the loss of him in such a way was a huge shock. No one ever expected to lose Prince in that way. Using his picture is a way of shocking the senses, of getting clicks, because they expect the article to mention Prince in some way. I don't think there is any one that can honestly say they expected to Prince to die of a drug overdoes. He is the one star that people can say his death was truly tragic, especially considering that he was just hours away from getting help.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

Then get your shit straight and stop telling lies.

HA got you before you deleted.

[Edited 8/11/18 15:09pm]

That's NOT a lie!!! Tyka said in a televised interview in so many words that she briefly relapsed.

Admitted that the loss of her brother drove her BACK into "dangerous habits".

Your stalkerish behaviour, following me in EVERY thread, combing through EVERYTHING I say needs to STOP! U have an obsession with me that's not normal.

I DON'T LIE & DON'T HAVE TO!

Link please.

I posted an interview and that is NOT what she said.

Really? Because you seem to post after me in every thread.

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benni said:

SkipperLove said:

Penny, I think you might have misunderstood what I was trying to get out. I was wondering if writers/media using prince as the poster boy for opiods (over Tom Petty or Carrie Fisher or other known substance abusers) was because of racism or because of his fame or both.

[Edited 8/11/18 15:38pm]

I think it's because the loss of him in such a way was a huge shock. No one ever expected to lose Prince in that way. Using his picture is a way of shocking the senses, of getting clicks, because they expect the article to mention Prince in some way. I don't think there is any one that can honestly say they expected to Prince to die of a drug overdoes. He is the one star that people can say his death was truly tragic, especially considering that he was just hours away from getting help.

I agree. He was never in the headlines for any wild unlawful things. It boggles my mind.

PennyPurple said:

SkipperLove said:

Penny, I think you might have misunderstood what I was trying to get out. I was wondering if writers/media using prince as the poster boy for opiods (over Tom Petty or Carrie Fisher or other known substance abusers) was because of racism or because of his fame or both.

[Edited 8/11/18 15:38pm]

I stll don't think it has to do with race. I think when people hear the word OD and Narcan together they see Prince. It ticks me off because he has become a poster child. The guy who died yesterday was in the limelight. They have plenty of pictures of him. They are doing his legacy a huge disfavor and they didn't need to bring Prince into it.

I think the "Prince as the poster child for the opiod epidemic" reporting is fed, in large part, by the seeminly endless discussions on prince.org (on threads like this one) about his alleged drug use over the years. Conversely, threads about some of his relationships are censored or removed, but these like this one are allowed to go on for pages and pages and part after part.

Tyka has worked hard to stay sober. It bothers me when people make things up to suit their purpose. We need to show these people who have been in rehab and fought so hard to stay clean, a little respect. They've been thru hell and back, even if we don't like the way things are being handled by the Estate or the way things were handled by his family.

Here it is: From People Magazine

Nelson, who appeared on the show to promote the upcoming My Name Is Prince exhibition at London’s O2 Arena, also admitted that the loss of her brother drove her back into dangerous habits. The 57-year-old had struggled with an addiction to crack cocaine in the wake of her parents’ death years earlier, but Prince had supported her trip to get clean in a rehab facility.

Now with Prince’s passing, she risked a relapse. “I had the hardest time [out of all her siblings]. We had spent all of our lives together. It probably only hit me last October.” she says. “This is the first time I’ve not used drugs and alcohol to mask the pain of grief. This is the first time what I’m feeling has come out in music, not drugs and alcohol.”

muchtoofast said:

A lot of people wouldn’t even know who Tom Petty was after seeing his photo, not so with Prince.

Well people our age knows who Petty is, but I don't know about the teeny boppers. They know who Demi is.

minnesoundlvr said:

PennyPurple said:

I stll don't think it has to do with race. I think when people hear the word OD and Narcan together they see Prince. It ticks me off because he has become a poster child. The guy who died yesterday was in the limelight. They have plenty of pictures of him. They are doing his legacy a huge disfavor and they didn't need to bring Prince into it.

I think the "Prince as the poster child for the opiod epidemic" reporting is fed, in large part, by the seeminly endless discussions on prince.org (on threads like this one) about his alleged drug use over the years. Conversely, threads about some of his relationships are censored or removed, but these like this one are allowed to go on for pages and pages and part after part.

I doubt Google even knows about the org.

I totally get what you are saying. Prince's own line from "dont play me"..."I'm the wrong color and I play guitar." But I think with Prince and MJ, it is more complicated. MJ had vitiligo. Prince was light skinned and physically could pass for another ethnic group..(maybe Persian or Puerto rican). I remember reading somewhere that when he was in school, it was kind of socially segregated...the black kids mostly hung out with the black kids, the whites with the whites and he being light skinned sometimes had to hang with the biracial kids (even though technically a biracial kid has one white parent and he did not.)

Krystalkisses said:

peggyon said:

Hi Guys-Not to belabor this but I was referring to changing/erasing ethnic markers.

I am caucasian and I think most of us in this discussion are as well. (I am surmising)

It just seems more painful to me that someone would feel the pressure to change that core part of themselves. It feels qualitatively different (to me) than breast augmentation.

Yes i understand. I just read that part of Amy not having plastic surgery...and I just wanted to point out that was untrue.She was insecure about her weight loss and got breast implants (which caused her some health problems) and she felt pressure and wanted to get more plastic surgery to end up like a pin up. But I understand what you meant about the race thing and you make a fantastic point. Also remembering it was the 1980s and things were just different although African Americans were becoming more visible. I do think Prince purposely was racially ambiguous and it was a marketing ploy for him, I'm not really sure how he felt about being black back then. Although I think later on he really embraced it. Let's just be honest though , lots of fans thought he was colorstruck back in the 80s, even I kinda thought so , but times were different back then.

I love the photo of young Prince. I especially like how the cloice of sweater color accentuated his eyes. I wonder if he got "crap" from his male classmates for the scarf? He was brave to wear it.