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Reply #1800 posted 07/23/18 5:38pm

SkipperLove

Do you know these people personally? After reading the report, it sounds to me like some looked the other way more than others until it got out of hand. I dont think it was as simple as "fvck that dude. Let him DIE as long as I get paid". Also, that dinner during which they mentioned him needing a rest sounded like a subtle form of intervention (sort of like slowly approaching a skittish animal.) Prince WAS music. The drugs may have enabled him to continue playing music (physically, psychologically, whatever), people relied on him, he relied on music like the air he breathed, it wasn't a simple situation. That being said, yes, enabling was happening, but that doesnt mean people wouldn't have tried to make excuses to hang around to keep an eye on him that night. The chef did talk about Kirk and Meron discussing shifts to stay with Prince. For some reason, it didn't happen. Either Prince convinced them that he was taking the rehab seriously and he would be careful. Or he fired them that night. Or he locked them out. But at one point, supposedly they were going to stay.

Camileyun said:

SkipperLove said:

I don't know about the space heaters. But if you want people to leave you alone and not go through with shifts in which they watch you like a hawk, you submit to blood tests, agree to treatment and make sure that nothing stronger than percocet is in those tests. I am not saying it was suicide (who knows), but you less likely going to get folks to give you some space if they think you don't at all want to help yourself get better.

Yes, until you realize that if P. didn't want to be watched like a hawk, he just had to say the word, and his enablers would look the other way, as usual.

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Reply #1801 posted 07/23/18 5:41pm

Camileyun

Bodhitheblackdog said:



littlemissG said:


Can we stop applying the logic of someone deep under the influnce of whatever pain killer to Prince. Drug effects the mind, every action he took that faithful might made perfect sense to him, even if it didn’t, that’s what drugs do. In r

I agree totally but I think it's too much to accept for a lot of us that he was zombied-out towards the end...so we keep trying to come up with a narrative thread that comforts, explains and gives us 'closure'...whatever that will look like a few years from now.



Actually, none of the people he spoke with on the phone and communicated with online that whole week mentioned anything about him being "effected". If you are talking about after taking the drugs, yes, I agree, he wouldn't have been in his right mind.
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Reply #1802 posted 07/23/18 5:48pm

SkipperLove

I believe he is referring to PRince being paranoid about his dry cleaning having bar code labels sewn into it. He told maya that he thought people were basically trying to spy on him because they didn't just use tags. It was a bit looney. The odd part is that she told the story kind of casually. I am starting to think that oddball PRince behavior was kind of standard practice and people sometimes didn't know whether he was just being his eccentric self or if something more serious was afoot.

precioux said:

PeteSilas said:

that paranoid story was one of the more embarrassing things i've heard after he passed. really sounds wierd, even delusional. unlike a cokehead tough, opiates don't cause paranoia do they? marvin gaye got paranoid before he died said he was "surrounded by evil" and thought someone was out to get him, someone was, the man in the mirror, same as most of these guys who kill themselves.

What do you mean 'one of the more embarrassing things'? The 'story' was in regards to younger females in Prince's orbit supposedly smoking/ smelling of weed, not snorting coke as it was originally mentioned a few posts up. And as Choc stated and I connfirmed- this happened at DM's memorial, not @ PP. Are you referring to JJ as paranoid?

[Edited 7/23/18 17:37pm]

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Reply #1803 posted 07/23/18 5:55pm

Camileyun

SkipperLove said:

Do you know these people personally? After reading the report, it sounds to me like some looked the other way more than others until it got out of hand. I dont think it was as simple as "fvck that dude. Let him DIE as long as I get paid". Also, that dinner during which they mentioned him needing a rest sounded like a subtle form of intervention (sort of like slowly approaching a skittish animal.) Prince WAS music. The drugs may have enabled him to continue playing music (physically, psychologically, whatever), people relied on him, he relied on music like the air he breathed, it wasn't a simple situation. That being said, yes, enabling was happening, but that doesnt mean people wouldn't have tried to make excuses to hang around to keep an eye on him that night. The chef did talk about Kirk and Meron discussing shifts to stay with Prince. For some reason, it didn't happen. Either Prince convinced them that he was taking the rehab seriously and he would be careful. Or he fired them that night. Or he locked them out. But at one point, supposedly they were going to stay.






Camileyun said:


SkipperLove said:

I don't know about the space heaters. But if you want people to leave you alone and not go through with shifts in which they watch you like a hawk, you submit to blood tests, agree to treatment and make sure that nothing stronger than percocet is in those tests. I am not saying it was suicide (who knows), but you less likely going to get folks to give you some space if they think you don't at all want to help yourself get better.




Yes, until you realize that if P. didn't want to be watched like a hawk, he just had to say the word, and his enablers would look the other way, as usual.


If I knew any of these people personally, I'd be asking them a lot of questions. But since I don't, I'm just looking at their own words and actions. You're so right about this not being a simple situation, but, because of the result, I can't help but think it was not handled well, and that it was a train wreck waiting to happen...just my opinion.
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Reply #1804 posted 07/23/18 5:56pm

precioux

I'm confused! sad What does the dry cleaning barcode scenario have anything to do with JJ being concerned with the potheads Prince was keeping company at DM's memorial?Did I miss something? I am aware of both happenings, but where is the connection to what Pete is referring to? Nevermind..

SkipperLove said:

I believe he is referring to PRince being paranoid about his dry cleaning having bar code labels sewn into it. He told maya that he thought people were basically trying to spy on him because they didn't just use tags. It was a bit looney. The odd part is that she told the story kind of casually. I am starting to think that oddball PRince behavior was kind of standard practice and people sometimes didn't know whether he was just being his eccentric self or if something more serious was afoot.

precioux said:

What do you mean 'one of the more embarrassing things'? The 'story' was in regards to younger females in Prince's orbit supposedly smoking/ smelling of weed, not snorting coke as it was originally mentioned a few posts up. And as Choc stated and I connfirmed- this happened at DM's memorial, not @ PP. Are you referring to JJ as paranoid?

[Edited 7/23/18 17:37pm]

[Edited 7/23/18 17:57pm]

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Reply #1805 posted 07/23/18 6:03pm

PeteSilas

precioux said:

PeteSilas said:

that paranoid story was one of the more embarrassing things i've heard after he passed. really sounds wierd, even delusional. unlike a cokehead tough, opiates don't cause paranoia do they? marvin gaye got paranoid before he died said he was "surrounded by evil" and thought someone was out to get him, someone was, the man in the mirror, same as most of these guys who kill themselves.

What do you mean 'one of the more embarrassing things'? The 'story' was in regards to younger females in Prince's orbit supposedly smoking/ smelling of weed, not snorting coke as it was originally mentioned a few posts up. And as Choc stated and I connfirmed- this happened at DM's memorial, not @ PP. Are you referring to JJ as paranoid?

[Edited 7/23/18 17:37pm]

no, obviously, the story of prince saying he thought the cleaners were sewing things into his clothes for some crazy reason.

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Reply #1806 posted 07/23/18 6:03pm

SkipperLove

I wrote about both in one of my earlier posts. ... Here is what I wrote (all clumped together), I was trying to imply that P might have at one time considered firing Meron due to not trusting her..(but it was unfortunately tied to a paranoid episode of his having nothing to do with her possible drug enabling.)

SkipperLove said:

How depressing and embarrasing it must have been for Prince to have to ask his pretty young assistant to buy him enemas? Phaedra comes off bad of course, Kirk comes off clueless and weak willed (as well as secretive and self-protective) but sometimes I think Meron might be the worst of the bunch because she was just going along for the ride. Didn't Jill Jones talk about some chick in P's house snorting coke in his bathroom when she last saw P a couple months before he died. She described her as African, young and with an afro. I suspect Prince hired her because he knew she wouldn't argue with him about his more self-destructive patterns, maybe, also because she looks like Andy Allo. What a mistake he made. By the time, he had to ask for enemas, he probably regretted it. I do recall Maya Washington talking about P's paranoia over labels being sewn into his dry cleaning and he asked if he should fire his assistant. She convinced him not to. Too bad.

precioux said:

I'm confused! sad What does the dry cleaning barcode scenario have anything to do with JJ being concerned with the potheads Prince was keeping company at DM's memorial?Did I miss something? I am aware of both happenings, but where is the connection to what Pete is referring to? Nevermind..

SkipperLove said:

I believe he is referring to PRince being paranoid about his dry cleaning having bar code labels sewn into it. He told maya that he thought people were basically trying to spy on him because they didn't just use tags. It was a bit looney. The odd part is that she told the story kind of casually. I am starting to think that oddball PRince behavior was kind of standard practice and people sometimes didn't know whether he was just being his eccentric self or if something more serious was afoot.

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Reply #1807 posted 07/23/18 6:07pm

precioux

thumbs up!

SkipperLove said:

I wrote about both in one of my earlier posts. ... Here is what I wrote (all clumped together), I was trying to imply that P might have at one time considered firing Meron due to not trusting her..(but it was unfortunately tied to a paranoid episode of his having nothing to do with her possible drug enabling.)

SkipperLove said:

How depressing and embarrasing it must have been for Prince to have to ask his pretty young assistant to buy him enemas? Phaedra comes off bad of course, Kirk comes off clueless and weak willed (as well as secretive and self-protective) but sometimes I think Meron might be the worst of the bunch because she was just going along for the ride. Didn't Jill Jones talk about some chick in P's house snorting coke in his bathroom when she last saw P a couple months before he died. She described her as African, young and with an afro. I suspect Prince hired her because he knew she wouldn't argue with him about his more self-destructive patterns, maybe, also because she looks like Andy Allo. What a mistake he made. By the time, he had to ask for enemas, he probably regretted it. I do recall Maya Washington talking about P's paranoia over labels being sewn into his dry cleaning and he asked if he should fire his assistant. She convinced him not to. Too bad.

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Reply #1808 posted 07/23/18 6:21pm

SkipperLove

I hear ya. I do understand. My emotions are all over the place about these people. I am going to say something controversial. I don't think anyone wanted him dead. But I do think that maybe Prince himself in some ways was a train wreck waiting to happen. I don't think he had the control over his own emotions that he thought he had, needed some therapy, was way too good at being cryptic, detached/controlling of people's access to him when he needed real help, was secretive to the point of unhealthiness, too hardworking, and relied too much on star status/eccentricity/mystery/weird charm/religion to combat any conflict.. He was a hard man to help. I was surprised he died at first due to his little-engine-that-could work ethic and quiet public persona. Now, I am starting to feel surprised that he lasted as long as he did. I feel for him and to some extent everyone around him who were confounded about him. I suspect he was just as confounded. Its hard to help a skittish man in denial or who is too scared to admit that he doesn't have control.

Camileyun said:

SkipperLove said:

Do you know these people personally? After reading the report, it sounds to me like some looked the other way more than others until it got out of hand. I dont think it was as simple as "fvck that dude. Let him DIE as long as I get paid". Also, that dinner during which they mentioned him needing a rest sounded like a subtle form of intervention (sort of like slowly approaching a skittish animal.) Prince WAS music. The drugs may have enabled him to continue playing music (physically, psychologically, whatever), people relied on him, he relied on music like the air he breathed, it wasn't a simple situation. That being said, yes, enabling was happening, but that doesnt mean people wouldn't have tried to make excuses to hang around to keep an eye on him that night. The chef did talk about Kirk and Meron discussing shifts to stay with Prince. For some reason, it didn't happen. Either Prince convinced them that he was taking the rehab seriously and he would be careful. Or he fired them that night. Or he locked them out. But at one point, supposedly they were going to stay.

If I knew any of these people personally, I'd be asking them a lot of questions. But since I don't, I'm just looking at their own words and actions. You're so right about this not being a simple situation, but, because of the result, I can't help but think it was not handled well, and that it was a train wreck waiting to happen...just my opinion.

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Reply #1809 posted 07/23/18 6:42pm

PennyPurple

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Camileyun said:



Yes, I just thought he may have been in the kitchen since a heater was on in there. Do we know for sure there was no food in his stomach, or would that be part of the autopsy report we are not privy to? I know he didn't eat what was prepared for him, but he could have eaten something else (which would make the vomit issue even more strange). I'm just grasping at straws at this point, but running it by all of you helps keep me on track. Thx [Edited 7/23/18 16:16pm]

With as skinny as Prince was, he was probably cold all the time.


As far as the vomit, it didn't look like any food particles in it unless it was cottage cheese. It just doesn't makes sense to have that much fentanyl in the blood and in the stomach but the vomit had none?? And vomit was found in his throat also.

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Reply #1810 posted 07/23/18 6:42pm

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Goddamnit my laptop crashed now I have to type this all over again biggrin So, here we go: I think those who didn't want him dead weren't around him anymore. I think that's the sad truth here, like, I look at it this way: If one of my friends or a family member was in the same situation like Prince I wouldn't enable their addiction. I would try my best to help them and if I noticed that they don't want my help, I'd leave. Because if you stay and the only thing you do is enable the whole thing (even if you don't buy anything, just acting like nothing's wrong even if you know that the person is addicted) you are to blame too. And Kirk, Meron and Phaedra all did either buy stuff or ignore the problem as long as they got payed.

People who really care don't play the game, both my uncles are alcoholics, one of them visited us a couple days ago and he said: "Can you bring me a beer?" He doesn't drink anymore (at leadt I hope) and maybe he was joking but I was kind of mad and I said no. I would NEVER do that. He's addicted to cannabis now and that's were all his money goes. I'd never give him money because I know how he's using it.

I also hate it when some say: "Well it's hard to say no when someone struggles." Why? Why is it hard? You know exactly that giving them the drug is worse than to say no. I don't get it, you claim you care about them but you'de give them the drugs? Then you don't care, sorry but that's how I see it.

I would've left Paisley Park this would've been the right thing to do. Maybe everyone should've left to show Prince how serious it is. Maybe, if they would've left him he would've noticed that he really needs help or else no one will be there anymore. I don't know, it's too late to think about what ifs. I also think he knew that they enabled him and that's the reason they were there, he wanted it that way and when he realized that there's problem it was already too late.

SkipperLove said:

I hear ya. I do understand. My emotions are all over the place about these people. I am going to say something controversial. I don't think anyone wanted him dead. But I do think that maybe Prince himself in some ways was a train wreck waiting to happen. I don't think he had the control over his own emotions that he thought he had, needed some therapy, was way too good at being cryptic, detached/controlling of people's access to him when he needed real help, was secretive to the point of unhealthiness, too hardworking, and relied too much on star status/eccentricity/mystery/weird charm/religion to combat any conflict.. He was a hard man to help. I was surprised he died at first due to his little-engine-that-could work ethic and quiet public persona. Now, I am starting to feel surprised that he lasted as long as he did. I feel for him and to some extent everyone around him who were confounded about him. I suspect he was just as confounded. Its hard to help a skittish man in denial or who is too scared to admit that he doesn't have control.

Camileyun said:

SkipperLove said: If I knew any of these people personally, I'd be asking them a lot of questions. But since I don't, I'm just looking at their own words and actions. You're so right about this not being a simple situation, but, because of the result, I can't help but think it was not handled well, and that it was a train wreck waiting to happen...just my opinion.

[Edited 7/23/18 18:26pm]

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Reply #1811 posted 07/23/18 6:58pm

Bodhitheblackd
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SkipperLove said:

I hear ya. I do understand. My emotions are all over the place about these people. I am going to say something controversial. I don't think anyone wanted him dead. But I do think that maybe Prince himself in some ways was a train wreck waiting to happen. I don't think he had the control over his own emotions that he thought he had, needed some therapy, was way too good at being cryptic, detached/controlling of people's access to him when he needed real help, was secretive to the point of unhealthiness, too hardworking, and relied too much on star status/eccentricity/mystery/weird charm/religion to combat any conflict.. He was a hard man to help. I was surprised he died at first due to his little-engine-that-could work ethic and quiet public persona. Now, I am starting to feel surprised that he lasted as long as he did. I feel for him and to some extent everyone around him who were confounded about him. I suspect he was just as confounded. Its hard to help a skittish man in denial or who is too scared to admit that he doesn't have control.

Camileyun said:

SkipperLove said: If I knew any of these people personally, I'd be asking them a lot of questions. But since I don't, I'm just looking at their own words and actions. You're so right about this not being a simple situation, but, because of the result, I can't help but think it was not handled well, and that it was a train wreck waiting to happen...just my opinion.

[Edited 7/23/18 18:26pm]

wow, some tough love here...co-sign and thanks for saying it...

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Reply #1812 posted 07/23/18 7:27pm

che777x

PennyPurple said:

Camileyun said:

Yes, I just thought he may have been in the kitchen since a heater was on in there. Do we know for sure there was no food in his stomach, or would that be part of the autopsy report we are not privy to? I know he didn't eat what was prepared for him, but he could have eaten something else (which would make the vomit issue even more strange). I'm just grasping at straws at this point, but running it by all of you helps keep me on track. Thx [Edited 7/23/18 16:16pm]

With as skinny as Prince was, he was probably cold all the time.


As far as the vomit, it didn't look like any food particles in it unless it was cottage cheese. It just doesn't makes sense to have that much fentanyl in the blood and in the stomach but the vomit had none?? And vomit was found in his throat also.

I think somebody ate something. There's a crumb or dot of something on the table, a reddish brown crumb directly in front of the plastic container on the right. It's shows in the video of the little kitchen. You can see it clearer on the video in the investigative files than the video on YouTube. In a previous posting, I mentioned that it might have been a cookie as a dessert, but after talking with friend who is familiar with the take-outs, I was reminded that it is usually a brownie, a small very moist brownie, about two inches square, usually in a small round container.

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Reply #1813 posted 07/23/18 7:55pm

Camileyun

ThatWhiteDude said:

Goddamnit my laptop crashed now I have to type this all over again biggrin So, here we go: I think those who didn't want him dead weren't around him anymore. I think that's the sad truth here, like, I look at it this way: If one of my friends or a family member was in the same situation like Prince I wouldn't enable their addiction. I would try my best to help them and if I noticed that they don't want my help, I'd leave. Because if you stay and the only thing you do is enable the whole thing (even if you don't buy anything, just acting like nothing's wrong even if you know that the person is addicted) you are to blame too. And Kirk, Meron and Phaedra all did either buy stuff or ignore the problem as long as they got payed.



People who really care don't play the game, both my uncles are alcoholics, one of them visited us a couple days ago and he said: "Can you bring me a beer?" He doesn't drink anymore (at leadt I hope) and maybe he was joking but I was kind of mad and I said no. I would NEVER do that. He's addicted to cannabis now and that's were all his money goes. I'd never give him money because I know how he's using it.



I also hate it when some say: "Well it's hard to say no when someone struggles." Why? Why is it hard? You know exactly that giving them the drug is worse than to say no. I don't get it, you claim you care about them but you'de give them the drugs? Then you don't care, sorry but that's how I see it.



I would've left Paisley Park this would've been the right thing to do. Maybe everyone should've left to show Prince how serious it is. Maybe, if they would've left him he would've noticed that he really needs help or else no one will be there anymore. I don't know, it's too late to think about what ifs. I also think he knew that they enabled him and that's the reason they were there, he wanted it that way and when he realized that there's problem it was already too late.




SkipperLove said:


I hear ya. I do understand. My emotions are all over the place about these people. I am going to say something controversial. I don't think anyone wanted him dead. But I do think that maybe Prince himself in some ways was a train wreck waiting to happen. I don't think he had the control over his own emotions that he thought he had, needed some therapy, was way too good at being cryptic, detached/controlling of people's access to him when he needed real help, was secretive to the point of unhealthiness, too hardworking, and relied too much on star status/eccentricity/mystery/weird charm/religion to combat any conflict.. He was a hard man to help. I was surprised he died at first due to his little-engine-that-could work ethic and quiet public persona. Now, I am starting to feel surprised that he lasted as long as he did. I feel for him and to some extent everyone around him who were confounded about him. I suspect he was just as confounded. Its hard to help a skittish man in denial or who is too scared to admit that he doesn't have control.




Camileyun said:


SkipperLove said: If I knew any of these people personally, I'd be asking them a lot of questions. But since I don't, I'm just looking at their own words and actions. You're so right about this not being a simple situation, but, because of the result, I can't help but think it was not handled well, and that it was a train wreck waiting to happen...just my opinion.


[Edited 7/23/18 18:26pm]





Can't disagree with anything either of you said.
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Reply #1814 posted 07/23/18 8:12pm

purplefam99

Bodhitheblackdog said:



ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:




precioux said:


IF that was put together the day of, KJ could’ve possibly admitted something, hired a lawyer and retracted his statement (?) PennyPurple said:



If KJ admitted something it would be in the police investigative file whether it was retracted or not.




An admission would also give the police probable cause to get a much more extensive search warrant including a search of KJ's home, etc.




ISLIJAG: based on your long professional experience, why do you think KJ was initially characterized as an offender???

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Could it be racial that KJ was so quickly given the role of offender
On the document?
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Reply #1815 posted 07/23/18 8:18pm

precioux

purplefam99 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ISLIJAG: based on your long professional experience, why do you think KJ was initially characterized as an offender???

[Edited 7/23/18 8:49am]

Could it be racial that KJ was so quickly given the role of offender On the document?

falloff

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Reply #1816 posted 07/23/18 8:21pm

Camileyun

precioux said:



purplefam99 said:


Bodhitheblackdog said:


ISLIJAG: based on your long professional experience, why do you think KJ was initially characterized as an offender???


[Edited 7/23/18 8:49am]



Could it be racial that KJ was so quickly given the role of offender On the document?

falloff


Ha, if that's the case, why not include Meron and Phaedra?
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Reply #1817 posted 07/23/18 8:29pm

precioux

Camileyun said:

precioux said:

falloff

Ha, if that's the case, why not include Meron and Phaedra?

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Reply #1818 posted 07/23/18 8:46pm

Bodhitheblackd
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precioux said:

Camileyun said:

precioux said: Ha, if that's the case, why not include Meron and Phaedra?

nod

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Reply #1819 posted 07/23/18 8:53pm

purplefam99

Camileyun said:

precioux said:



purplefam99 said:


Bodhitheblackdog said:


ISLIJAG: based on your long professional experience, why do you think KJ was initially characterized as an offender???


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Could it be racial that KJ was so quickly given the role of offender On the document?

falloff


Ha, if that's the case, why not include Meron and Phaedra?


Black male has always been a convenient “go to” more so than female.
He was there the doc is dated 4/21... idk just a thought. Lock the case up
Quickly??? Crazy perhaps but Don’t act like it is completely unheard of.
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Reply #1820 posted 07/23/18 9:00pm

purplefam99

Perhaps a hair of thought might be given that direction as to why the case was
Investigated so poorly. We keep questioning why the case was handled so shoddly.
Just saying.
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Reply #1821 posted 07/23/18 9:13pm

precioux

purplefam99 said:

Perhaps a hair of thought might be given that direction as to why the case was Investigated so poorly. We keep questioning why the case was handled so shoddly. Just saying.

A hair of thought is exactly what you need. Are you seriously playing the fucking race card here? And insinuating this investigation by Barney Fife was inept because ALL parties involved were black? Get a phucking grip already

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Reply #1822 posted 07/23/18 9:15pm

Bodhitheblackd
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purplefam99 said:

Perhaps a hair of thought might be given that direction as to why the case was Investigated so poorly. We keep questioning why the case was handled so shoddly. Just saying.

IMO, it wasn't bc Prince was black...even if his drug use was NOT known to LE...picture the scene: the deceased is emaciated, known to be secretive and eccentric, no immediately apparent signs of terminal illness (i.e. the presence of legit meds, his staff volunteering that he was under a doctors' care) the cloud of Moline, PILLS ALL AROUND...LE took it all in and it became an open and shut case...drug user OD's...

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Reply #1823 posted 07/23/18 9:36pm

SkipperLove

So, three people wished Prince was dead. WOW, that's a bit harsh. I get how enabling is not a good way to love or care for someone. But enabling, i believe, is more of a weakness/cowardness than it is an intentional wish for harm. They may not have loved him enough or even liked/known him enough to stand up to him; but I doubt they wanted him dead. I think their feelings are more complex than that. Do you think Whitney HOuston's family (which enabled the hell out of her) actually wanted her dead. I doubt it. Family members, employees etc often convince themselves that everything will be fine or pass the buck until its too late. They love badly, but its usually not because they wish they would die. Sometimes, people get wrapped up in the celebrity of that person as well, forgetting that they are human and falliable. Everyone now talks now about Prince being so scrawny before his deathetc, but Morris Day said an interesting thing recently. He talked to Prince 3 months before he died. He said P looked pretty skinny but he said Prince was "always fragile" physically so it didn't totally occur to him until after he died. Jill Jones also saw him thin and looking find of loopy. She was concerned but she didn't run over to PP or call the police. Many people thought something was up and were probably worried/concerned but did any of them think that his time on earth was that limited. I doubt it. I think they thought his people had more time to figure it out. Morris Hayes talked about folks in Prince's inner camp calling him two days before his death concerned with a lot of the weird stuff going on where Prince's behavior was concerned. He told them that if it was that weird, its probably a bigger problem than they thought. He told them "they need to get a handle on it". He did not come back to PP though probably due to a sense of helplessness/lack of influence due to being out of P's loop.. After Prince died, he stated that he felt extremely guilty for not making the trip. I believe that people like MOrris Hayes really didn't figure that Prince would die so quickly after the issues started resurfacing. I think everyone thought they had more time to figure this stuff out and get him back on his feet or at least functional. . It turns out they were wrong.

Camileyun said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Goddamnit my laptop crashed now I have to type this all over again biggrin So, here we go: I think those who didn't want him dead weren't around him anymore. I think that's the sad truth here, like, I look at it this way: If one of my friends or a family member was in the same situation like Prince I wouldn't enable their addiction. I would try my best to help them and if I noticed that they don't want my help, I'd leave. Because if you stay and the only thing you do is enable the whole thing (even if you don't buy anything, just acting like nothing's wrong even if you know that the person is addicted) you are to blame too. And Kirk, Meron and Phaedra all did either buy stuff or ignore the problem as long as they got payed.

People who really care don't play the game, both my uncles are alcoholics, one of them visited us a couple days ago and he said: "Can you bring me a beer?" He doesn't drink anymore (at leadt I hope) and maybe he was joking but I was kind of mad and I said no. I would NEVER do that. He's addicted to cannabis now and that's were all his money goes. I'd never give him money because I know how he's using it.

I also hate it when some say: "Well it's hard to say no when someone struggles." Why? Why is it hard? You know exactly that giving them the drug is worse than to say no. I don't get it, you claim you care about them but you'de give them the drugs? Then you don't care, sorry but that's how I see it.

I would've left Paisley Park this would've been the right thing to do. Maybe everyone should've left to show Prince how serious it is. Maybe, if they would've left him he would've noticed that he really needs help or else no one will be there anymore. I don't know, it's too late to think about what ifs. I also think he knew that they enabled him and that's the reason they were there, he wanted it that way and when he realized that there's problem it was already too late.

Can't disagree with anything you both said.

[Edited 7/23/18 22:13pm]

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Reply #1824 posted 07/23/18 10:12pm

SkipperLove

Don't get me wrong. I adore Prince, warts and all. He seemed like a funny, curious, brilliant, warm man in many of the descriptions of him..and I believe them. But he also was an enigma in many ways and probably hard to reach..PLus, his status and obsessive need for privacy probably would have made him a bit intimidating. I would have wanted to help him but I am not sure I would have known how to do so. Plus, his quality of life would have also been a concern, not just the length of his life..if that makes sense. Anyone seen the movie Leaving Las Vegas? Thought provoking movie .

Bodhitheblackdog said:

SkipperLove said:

I hear ya. I do understand. My emotions are all over the place about these people. I am going to say something controversial. I don't think anyone wanted him dead. But I do think that maybe Prince himself in some ways was a train wreck waiting to happen. I don't think he had the control over his own emotions that he thought he had, needed some therapy, was way too good at being cryptic, detached/controlling of people's access to him when he needed real help, was secretive to the point of unhealthiness, too hardworking, and relied too much on star status/eccentricity/mystery/weird charm/religion to combat any conflict.. He was a hard man to help. I was surprised he died at first due to his little-engine-that-could work ethic and quiet public persona. Now, I am starting to feel surprised that he lasted as long as he did. I feel for him and to some extent everyone around him who were confounded about him. I suspect he was just as confounded. Its hard to help a skittish man in denial or who is too scared to admit that he doesn't have control.

[Edited 7/23/18 18:26pm]

wow, some tough love here...co-sign and thanks for saying it...

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Reply #1825 posted 07/23/18 10:14pm

peggyon

precioux said:

purplefam99 said:

Perhaps a hair of thought might be given that direction as to why the case was Investigated so poorly. We keep questioning why the case was handled so shoddly. Just saying.

A hair of thought is exactly what you need. Are you seriously playing the fucking race card here? And insinuating this investigation by Barney Fife was inept because ALL parties involved were black? Get a phucking grip already

Precioux:

That statement came across as harsh and kind of insulting. Though I am not African-American, I do live in Oakland and what Purplefam99 states has some truth ( from my living in the milieu.) I personally do not believe it impacted the investigtion, but I can see how those with different life experiences could have a different "take".

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Reply #1826 posted 07/24/18 3:33am

CatB

Camileyun said:

precioux said:
Space heaters were most likely left on since KJ & Meron were there. As far as ‘making sure nothing stronger than Percocet in his system ‘ as one reason to fend off anyone babysitting him..there was Dilaudid found in his system, which is a pain med usually given to those in their last stage of cancer and are sent home to die. Not saying this was Prince’s situation, only pointing out exactly how strong this particular painkiller is. It surpasses Percocet by a landslide. [Edited 7/23/18 15:03pm]
Don't mean to belabor the point, but the heat was cranked up and heaters were on when the LE got there, and it seemed to be uncomfortably hot. It makes more sense that P. turned them on since he had no body fat. KJ and Meron weren't there all night...so they just left a bunch of space heaters on and left him alone?? Maybe that is how P. wanted it, but if not, that's pretty dangerous (space heaters cause fires all the time where I'm from).



His sleeping in an overheated room was nothing new. He had done so before.


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Reply #1827 posted 07/24/18 3:52am

TheEnglishGent

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CatB said:

Camileyun said:

precioux said: Don't mean to belabor the point, but the heat was cranked up and heaters were on when the LE got there, and it seemed to be uncomfortably hot. It makes more sense that P. turned them on since he had no body fat. KJ and Meron weren't there all night...so they just left a bunch of space heaters on and left him alone?? Maybe that is how P. wanted it, but if not, that's pretty dangerous (space heaters cause fires all the time where I'm from).



His sleeping in an overheated room was nothing new. He had done so before.


There seems to be a big thing made of the heater being left on. Would the room have been overheated if he hadn't died? Is there any possibiillty the heaters would have been switched off at some point?

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Reply #1828 posted 07/24/18 4:17am

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purplefam99 said:

Could it be racial that KJ was so quickly given the role of offender On the document?

No.

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Reply #1829 posted 07/24/18 4:22am

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

SkipperLove said:

I hear ya. I do understand. My emotions are all over the place about these people. I am going to say something controversial. I don't think anyone wanted him dead. But I do think that maybe Prince himself in some ways was a train wreck waiting to happen. I don't think he had the control over his own emotions that he thought he had, needed some therapy, was way too good at being cryptic, detached/controlling of people's access to him when he needed real help, was secretive to the point of unhealthiness, too hardworking, and relied too much on star status/eccentricity/mystery/weird charm/religion to combat any conflict.. He was a hard man to help. I was surprised he died at first due to his little-engine-that-could work ethic and quiet public persona. Now, I am starting to feel surprised that he lasted as long as he did. I feel for him and to some extent everyone around him who were confounded about him. I suspect he was just as confounded. Its hard to help a skittish man in denial or who is too scared to admit that he doesn't have control.

[Edited 7/23/18 18:26pm]

wow, some tough love here...co-sign and thanks for saying it...

Remember what Lenny Kravitz said - was it April 21 or the day after - he said in a radio interview that he thought he knew what happened. If Prince committed suicide, I don't think Lenny knew that would happen, but I believe he knew Prince was addicted, and he supposed it was a drug overdose. So it wasn't just the people in Prince's employ who knew.

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