SkipperLove said:

Prince supposedly dealt with cash only and didn't even have a credit card...go figure.

Camileyun said:

SkipperLove said:

How depressing and embarrasing it must have been for Prince to have to ask his pretty young assistant to buy him enemas? Phaedra comes off bad of course, Kirk comes off clueless and weak willed (as well as secretive and self-protective) but sometimes I think Meron might be the worst of the bunch because she was just going along for the ride. Didn't Jill Jones talk about some chick in P's house snorting coke in his bathroom when she last saw P a couple months before he died. She described her as African, young and with an afro. I suspect Prince hired her because he knew she wouldn't argue with him about his more self-destructive patterns, maybe, also because she looks like Andy Allo. What a mistake he made. By the time, he had to ask for enemas, he probably regretted it. I do recall Maya Washington talking about P's paranoia over labels being sewn into his dry cleaning and he asked if he should fire his assistant. She convinced him not to. Too bad.

And why didn't he just order them online and skip the embarrassment?

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Camileyun said:

Yeah really.

precioux said:

Ah, so he either had to get them himself, or get her to do it.

I don't assume he ordered anything online. She gave him petty cash, no questions asked. It is possible, he knew some kind of drug hook-up either through another musician or one of his staff (and there is no proof it was necessarily in-over-his-head Kirky J.). That Dr. D dude probably had it right. Prince bought a lot at a time (on tour maybe), kept it in his bag that no one else was allowed to pack and then just hid it around Paisley in his section of the estate or in his vault.. MOst folks knew he was on and off stuff (had seen doctors who gave him pills, had episodes off and on) but most didn't necessarily know the specifics or when and how much he was taking at any given time. I don't think he was taking pills in front of folks.

Camileyun said:

SkipperLove said:

How depressing and embarrasing it must have been for Prince to have to ask his pretty young assistant to buy him enemas? Phaedra comes off bad of course, Kirk comes off clueless and weak willed (as well as secretive and self-protective) but sometimes I think Meron might be the worst of the bunch because she was just going along for the ride. Didn't Jill Jones talk about some chick in P's house snorting coke in his bathroom when she last saw P a couple months before he died. She described her as African, young and with an afro. I suspect Prince hired her because he knew she wouldn't argue with him about his more self-destructive patterns, maybe, also because she looks like Andy Allo. What a mistake he made. By the time, he had to ask for enemas, he probably regretted it. I do recall Maya Washington talking about P's paranoia over labels being sewn into his dry cleaning and he asked if he should fire his assistant. She convinced him not to. Too bad.

And why didn't he just order them online and skip the embarrassment?

[Edited 7/23/18 13:11pm]

There is a reference to Meron's "possible roommate" but no follow up info. Should I assume they checked that person out? It's one of the first people she called after finding P.
[Edited 7/23/18 13:32pm]

I seriously think that discovering P's enablers/suppliers meant nothing to the investigators. They wanted the big fish (manufacturers) so they didn't do a good job of holding folks accountable. Phaedra seemed about the money but was off-site so probably relegated the daily issues to Meron, Kirky J. knew his history but didn't understand the specifics and was kept busy doing a myriad of tasks, Van JOnes was a figurehead off in L.A, but Meron was on the one who dealt with the daily, basic issues of taking care of Prince. She is also the one who has been persona non grata in every post-PRince death thing. She cried a great deal when he was found dead (apparently) but maybe that is because she knew how much she was complicit in enabling this shit to happen. She is looking worse and worse in my eyes.

Camileyun said:

There is a reference to Meron's "possible roommate" but no follow up info. Should I assume they checked that person out? It's one of the first people she called after finding P. [Edited 7/23/18 13:32pm]

SkipperLove said:

Yes, good points. Maybe her big "freak out" worked and they cut her some slack (but I really hope not)!

SkipperLove said:

How depressing and embarrasing it must have been for Prince to have to ask his pretty young assistant to buy him enemas? Phaedra comes off bad of course, Kirk comes off clueless and weak willed (as well as secretive and self-protective) but sometimes I think Meron might be the worst of the bunch because she was just going along for the ride. Didn't Jill Jones talk about some chick in P's house snorting coke in his bathroom when she last saw P a couple months before he died. She described her as African, young and with an afro. I suspect Prince hired her because he knew she wouldn't argue with him about his more self-destructive patterns, maybe, also because she looks like Andy Allo. What a mistake he made. By the time, he had to ask for enemas, he probably regretted it. I do recall Maya Washington talking about P's paranoia over labels being sewn into his dry cleaning and he asked if he should fire his assistant. She convinced him not to. Too bad.

Camileyun said:

Meron admitted to buying all those enemas for P., but knew nothing about P 's addiction to painkillers. What did she think, P. wasn't getting enough fiber with his vegetarian diet?

[Edited 7/23/18 13:11pm]

That incident didn't happen in his house.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

SkipperLove said:

How depressing and embarrasing it must have been for Prince to have to ask his pretty young assistant to buy him enemas? Phaedra comes off bad of course, Kirk comes off clueless and weak willed (as well as secretive and self-protective) but sometimes I think Meron might be the worst of the bunch because she was just going along for the ride. Didn't Jill Jones talk about some chick in P's house snorting coke in his bathroom when she last saw P a couple months before he died. She described her as African, young and with an afro. I suspect Prince hired her because he knew she wouldn't argue with him about his more self-destructive patterns, maybe, also because she looks like Andy Allo. What a mistake he made. By the time, he had to ask for enemas, he probably regretted it. I do recall Maya Washington talking about P's paranoia over labels being sewn into his dry cleaning and he asked if he should fire his assistant. She convinced him not to. Too bad.

[Edited 7/23/18 13:11pm]

That incident didn't happen in his house.

correct..wasn't it after DM memorial??

Could it had still been her? Meron traveled with him, I am assuming. My impression was that the chick in the bathroom snorting coke was in P's entourage or circle--which is why Jill was so disgusted.

precioux said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

That incident didn't happen in his house.

correct..wasn't it after DM memorial??

precioux said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

That incident didn't happen in his house.

correct..wasn't it after DM memorial??

Yes it was. It was in Oakland.

Why would someone go to the trouble of going to the doctor, have blood drawn, and an IV of fluids administered just to go home and kill themselves. Why bother turning on space heaters (unless they were already on, but left on with no one home?) to be comfortable and then lay down on the cold hard floor to kill themselves?
Why wasn't the DNA found on the white tissue paper (in addition to Ps) further investigated (it's possibly the smoking gun)? Why not eliminate the people usually in the building as suspects by testing them? Wouldn't they want to cooperate to find out what happened to P.? If not, why not?
If the enablers were truly unaware of what was going on until the last week of Ps life, as they claimed, why would none of them question if someone purposely gave him bad drugs?

Sorry for all the ?s...I just want to get them all out before this thread is closed.
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I don't know about the space heaters. But if you want people to leave you alone and not go through with shifts in which they watch you like a hawk, you submit to blood tests, agree to treatment and make sure that nothing stronger than percocet is in those tests. I am not saying it was suicide (who knows), but you less likely going to get folks to give you some space if they think you don't at all want to help yourself get better.

Camileyun said:

Why would someone go to the trouble of going to the doctor, have blood drawn, and an IV of fluids administered just to go home and kill themselves. Why bother turning on space heaters (unless they were already on, but left on with no one home?) to be comfortable and then lay down on the cold hard floor to kill themselves? Why wasn't the DNA found on the white tissue paper (in addition to Ps) further investigated (it's possibly the smoking gun)? Why not eliminate the people usually in the building as suspects by testing them? Wouldn't they want to cooperate to find out what happened to P.? If not, why not? If the enablers were truly unaware of what was going on until the last week of Ps life, as they claimed, why would none of them question if someone purposely gave him bad drugs? Sorry for all the ?s...I just want to get them all out before this thread is closed. [Edited 7/23/18 14:45pm]

Space heaters were most likely left on since KJ & Meron were there. As far as ‘making sure nothing stronger than Percocet in his system ‘ as one reason to fend off anyone babysitting him..there was Dilaudid found in his system, which is a pain med usually given to those in their last stage of cancer and are sent home to die. Not saying this was Prince’s situation, only pointing out exactly how strong this particular painkiller is. It surpasses Percocet by a landslide.

SkipperLove said:

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SkipperLove said:

Yes, until you realize that if P. didn't want to be watched like a hawk, he just had to say the word, and his enablers would look the other way, as usual.

precioux said:

Don't mean to belabor the point, but the heat was cranked up and heaters were on when the LE got there, and it seemed to be uncomfortably hot. It makes more sense that P. turned them on since he had no body fat. KJ and Meron weren't there all night...so they just left a bunch of space heaters on and left him alone?? Maybe that is how P. wanted it, but if not, that's pretty dangerous (space heaters cause fires all the time where I'm from).

Camileyun said:

Why would someone go to the trouble of going to the doctor, have blood drawn, and an IV of fluids administered just to go home and kill themselves. Why bother turning on space heaters (unless they were already on, but left on with no one home?) to be comfortable and then lay down on the cold hard floor to kill themselves? Why wasn't the DNA found on the white tissue paper (in addition to Ps) further investigated (it's possibly the smoking gun)? Why not eliminate the people usually in the building as suspects by testing them? Wouldn't they want to cooperate to find out what happened to P.? If not, why not? If the enablers were truly unaware of what was going on until the last week of Ps life, as they claimed, why would none of them question if someone purposely gave him bad drugs? Sorry for all the ?s...I just want to get them all out before this thread is closed. [Edited 7/23/18 14:45pm]

We still have a couple of weeks left before the thread self locks. Maybe if everyone would make an appeal to ALL of the active mods, maybe we can have part 12, but it's going to take all of us to appeal, not just me. If you need the list of Mods to contact, org note me and will send them to you.

I think they all had to be aware of the addiction, I don't see how they couldn't be. Like a couple of the other former associates have said, they all knew and if they say they didn't they are lying.

I'm still wondering why the vomit didn't contain the narcs?

Anyone know if the pic taken of the Confidentiality Agreement found in the blue folder was included in the released pics?
[Edited 7/23/18 15:46pm]

Camileyun said:

Totally agree on the dangerous issue- but I think that’s how he wanted it. And he returned at 8-8:30. KJ and Meron supposedly left around 10:30. Take into consideration as well that before opening PP, they had to get the place ‘up to code’ and I remember reading one of the first things to go were the massive amounts of candles. Prince would constantly burn them with no regard to it being a fire hazard. They were replaced with battery operated candles in keeping with the authentic look...from what I gathered

precioux said:

Oh yeah, the candles!! Great point.

PennyPurple said:

Co-sign on the appealing to the mods.

I think it was his former manager Crystal who said ‘if they say they don’t know-they’re lying’ -and I agree 100%! We’ve even found proof of KJ caught in that lie in the documents themselves and posted it here.


In regards to the vomit-my 1st thought was-if he threw up more than once (stain on the carpet KJ was insistent on cleaning)-maybe that’s why no narcotic in the ‘wet fluid’ found on the elevator panel and floor...but then, even if that was the case, how could there be such high levels found in the stomach fluids, if the stomach was basically emptied?

I don't know maybe the man (Prince, who was not an invalid and fully capable of turning them off and on at any point during the day in his private part of PP) turned them on himself before anyone left because he didn't want to be cold. Who knows? I don't think heaters necessarily prove anything one way or another.

precioux said:

Camileyun said:

Don't mean to belabor the point, but the heat was cranked up and heaters were on when the LE got there, and it seemed to be uncomfortably hot. It makes more sense that P. turned them on since he had no body fat. KJ and Meron weren't there all night...so they just left a bunch of space heaters on and left him alone?? Maybe that is how P. wanted it, but if not, that's pretty dangerous (space heaters cause fires all the time where I'm from).

Totally agree on the dangerous issue- but I think that’s how he wanted it. And he returned at 8-8:30. KJ and Meron supposedly left around 10:30. Take into consideration as well that before opening PP, they had to get the place ‘up to code’ and I remember reading one of the first things to go were the massive amounts of candles. Prince would constantly burn them with no regard to it being a fire hazard. They were replaced with battery operated candles in keeping with the authentic look...from what I gathered

I’m in agreement with you and basically poasted as much...did you mean to post on Camileyun’s reply??

I’m thinking Camileyun’s point was if P was hell bent on killing himself, why bother to put the space heater on. Not sure

SkipperLove said:

SkipperLove said:

Yes, I just thought he may have been in the kitchen since a heater was on in there. Do we know for sure there was no food in his stomach, or would that be part of the autopsy report we are not privy to? I know he didn't eat what was prepared for him, but he could have eaten something else (which would make the vomit issue even more strange). I'm just grasping at straws at this point, but running it by all of you helps keep me on track. Thx
[Edited 7/23/18 16:16pm]

Precioux:I’m thinking Camileyun’s point was if P was hell bent on killing himself, why bother to put the space heater on. Not sure




Yes, and why leave enemas and pills laying around if you're going to kill yourself? I go back and forth about whether this was accidental or intentional. I can make a case for both scenarios. In the end, I know it doesn't matter. I would just prefer one way, not the other.

[Edited 7/23/18 16:30pm]

Can we stop applying the logic of someone deep under the influnce of whatever pain killer to Prince. Drug effects the mind, every action he took that faithful might made perfect sense to him, even if it didn’t, that’s what drugs do.
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littlemissG said:

Can we stop applying the logic of someone deep under the influnce of whatever pain killer to Prince. Drug effects the mind, every action he took that faithful might made perfect sense to him, even if it didn’t, that’s what drugs do. In r

I agree totally but I think it's too much to accept for a lot of us that he was zombied-out towards the end...so we keep trying to come up with a narrative thread that comforts, explains and gives us 'closure'...whatever that will look like a few years from now.

precioux said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

That incident didn't happen in his house.

correct..wasn't it after DM memorial??

that paranoid story was one of the more embarrassing things i've heard after he passed. really sounds wierd, even delusional. unlike a cokehead tough, opiates don't cause paranoia do they? marvin gaye got paranoid before he died said he was "surrounded by evil" and thought someone was out to get him, someone was, the man in the mirror, same as most of these guys who kill themselves.

PeteSilas said:

precioux said:

correct..wasn't it after DM memorial??

that paranoid story was one of the more embarrassing things i've heard after he passed. really sounds wierd, even delusional. unlike a cokehead tough, opiates don't cause paranoia do they? marvin gaye got paranoid before he died said he was "surrounded by evil" and thought someone was out to get him, someone was, the man in the mirror, same as most of these guys who kill themselves.

What do you mean 'one of the more embarrassing things'? The 'story' was in regards to younger females in Prince's orbit supposedly smoking/ smelling of weed, not snorting coke as it was originally mentioned a few posts up. And as Choc stated and I connfirmed- this happened at DM's memorial, not @ PP. Are you referring to JJ as paranoid?

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