PennyPurple said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

first of all thanks to Penny and Precioux you 2 are doing a really good job on this thread.

So, now I got a question about this offender and victim thing. Did they think that KJ didn't only buy these pills, like, did they believe he also migh have known that they contained fentanyl and that he knew they will kill Prince? I'm sorry it's late here in germany ( 3 am ) and I'm a bit tired, so maybe that question is stupid.

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Precioux found it, she's got some good eyes!

Yes, she definitely got some good eyes. But you're also still doing a good job here.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

first of all thanks to Penny and Precioux you 2 are doing a really good job on this thread.

So, now I got a question about this offender and victim thing. Did they think that KJ didn't only buy these pills, like, did they believe he also migh have known that they contained fentanyl and that he knew they will kill Prince? I'm sorry it's late here in germany ( 3 am ) and I'm a bit tired, so maybe that question is stupid.

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No, WD, not stupid AT ALL. It's the crux of the case from a LE perspective:IMO it indicated that LE from the beginning never thought it was a suicide, and therefore 'deadly' pills would have had to have been supplied TO Prince by someone else and they ASSUMED Prince took those pills unaware of their lethality.

Personally, I disagree with that thesis, but I would love to hear more from LE about why/how they came to believe the scenario revealed in this document.

What scenario do you believe in? (Sorry if you already stated it somewhere on this thread).

Okay, now I googled the definition of both victim and offender and these are the results:

You’re obviously correct on the definitions, and being this label appears to have been given to KJ on the day of, not quite sure. We know for sure who was going to have charges supposedly brought against him and why he lawyered up immediately. Did they not have enough evidence? How could they determine he was the offender the day of, as that is when this report was drafted along with the swabs and the ME present? This was even before the results came back. I am not in the legal feild, but I do analyze the f*ck out of everything and have a basic knowledge of legal terms, hence how I caught this.

ThatWhiteDude said:

precioux said:

You’re obviously correct on the definitions, and being this label appears to have been given to KJ on the day of, not quite sure. We know for sure who was going to have charges supposedly brought against him and why he lawyered up immediately. Did they not have enough evidence? How could they determine he was the offender the day of, as that is when this report was drafted along with the swabs and the ME present? This was even before the results came back. I am not in the legal feild, but I do analyze the f*ck out of everything and have a basic knowledge of legal terms, hence how I caught this. ThatWhiteDude said:

I wonder what made them come to that conclusion so early (1st day) in the investigation?

IF that was put together the day of, KJ could’ve possibly admitted something, hired a lawyer and retracted his statement (?)

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

That is possible. Plus Dr. S admitted in his interview about the prescription in K J name for Prince?

precioux said:

IF that was put together the day of, KJ could’ve possibly admitted something, hired a lawyer and retracted his statement (?) PennyPurple said:

I wonder what made them come to that conclusion so early (1st day) in the investigation?

If KJ admitted something it would be in the police investigative file whether it was retracted or not.

An admission would also give the police probable cause to get a much more extensive search warrant including a search of KJ's home, etc.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

precioux said:

IF that was put together the day of, KJ could’ve possibly admitted something, hired a lawyer and retracted his statement (?) PennyPurple said:

If KJ admitted something it would be in the police investigative file whether it was retracted or not.

An admission would also give the police probable cause to get a much more extensive search warrant including a search of KJ's home, etc.

ISLIJAG: based on your long professional experience, why do you think KJ was initially characterized as an offender???

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

If KJ admitted something it would be in the police investigative file whether it was retracted or not.

An admission would also give the police probable cause to get a much more extensive search warrant including a search of KJ's home, etc.

ISLIJAG: based on your long professional experience, why do you think KJ was initially characterized as an offender???

I have finished the reports and the warrant file. The only real loose end is to tie the item numbers together, but that is hard. The CCSO, DEA and initial reference items are all over the place.

Here is the link to the document:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vAGeRbaWkdo85vozpoQFVUp2ufGWCayEkhFOjxTDaG8/edit?usp=sharing

Let me know if I missed anything.

nelcp777 said:

I have finished the reports and the warrant file. The only real loose end is to tie the item numbers together, but that is hard. The CCSO, DEA and initial reference items are all over the place.

Here is the link to the document:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vAGeRbaWkdo85vozpoQFVUp2ufGWCayEkhFOjxTDaG8/edit?usp=sharing

Let me know if I missed anything.

Thank you very much Nelp! A lot of work went into that and it is appreciated!

nelcp777 said:

I have finished the reports and the warrant file. The only real loose end is to tie the item numbers together, but that is hard. The CCSO, DEA and initial reference items are all over the place.

Here is the link to the document:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vAGeRbaWkdo85vozpoQFVUp2ufGWCayEkhFOjxTDaG8/edit?usp=sharing

Let me know if I missed anything.

Awesome!

Thanks for all the time you put into this spreadsheet.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ISLIJAG: based on your long professional experience, why do you think KJ was initially characterized as an offender???

Seriously, I dont know why it appears KJ is listed as an offender (good catch Precioux). A cause of death had not been determined at that time. Or it could be the report was dated 4/21/16 but not drafted until much later, and KJ was a person of interest.

But, if you recall Kirk gave a statement to the police and would have continued talking to the Detective if he had not been interrupted.

Meron, on the other hand refused to talk to the police citing the NDA, asked to be taken to her hotel room, refused to answer the door when the police officer went looking for her after she was gone way too long, but then she showed back up at PP later.

What was Meron doing in her hotel room, and why wouldnt she answer the door?

I also think it is shady that Phaedra refused to talk to the police. She was his manager FFS.

It is also mysterious as to why Attorney Diane Frappier whose place of business is in Oakland, California, was at the scene. Why didnt the police interview her?

Yeah, I'm still not understanding why Atty. Diane was already at the scene? There is no way she could've came from Oakland that fast, she must've already been in town??

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

You’re obviously correct on the definitions, and being this label appears to have been given to KJ on the day of, not quite sure. We know for sure who was going to have charges supposedly brought against him and why he lawyered up immediately. Did they not have enough evidence? How could they determine he was the offender the day of, as that is when this report was drafted along with the swabs and the ME present? This was even before the results came back. I am not in the legal feild, but I do analyze the f*ck out of everything and have a basic knowledge of legal terms, hence how I caught this. ThatWhiteDude said:

I wonder what made them come to that conclusion so early (1st day) in the investigation?

My thanks to all of you for remaining on this thread and not continually focusing just on the drug that killed him. I think that the investigative materials were published for more than the obvious reason -- To be investigated and perhaps something would be discovered that the investigators did not or could not see. Before I came to this site, I saw an article that described Prince fans as a very intelligent, open minded fanbase, who know their artist, among other attributes, and I suspect that the authorities know this and they know that their investigation is going to be investigated. So, why waste valuable time? Afterall, isn't this thread ito be closed soon???

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ISLIJAG: based on your long professional experience, why do you think KJ was initially characterized as an offender???

Seriously, I dont know why it appears KJ is listed as an offender (good catch Precioux). A cause of death had not been determined at that time. Or it could be the report was dated 4/21/16 but not drafted until much later, and KJ was a person of interest.

But, if you recall Kirk gave a statement to the police and would have continued talking to the Detective if he had not been interrupted.

Meron, on the other hand refused to talk to the police citing the NDA, asked to be taken to her hotel room, refused to answer the door when the police officer went looking for her after she was gone way too long, but then she showed back up at PP later.

What was Meron doing in her hotel room, and why wouldnt she answer the door?

I also think it is shady that Phaedra refused to talk to the police. She was his manager FFS.

It is also mysterious as to why Attorney Diane Frappier whose place of business is in Oakland, California, was at the scene. Why didnt the police interview her?

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Maybe they did consider KJ a person of interest after he flat out lied to the detectives on 4/21?:

Pg. 126 “Kirk told me that he did not know where Prince was obtaining the narcotic medications. Kirk told me that Prince never asked Kirk to get a prescription for him. (I would later find out this information contradicts the statement provided by Dr. Schulenberg when Dr. Schulenberg admitted to Detective Chris Nelson that he gave a prescription for Percocet to Prince, but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson’s name at Kirk’s request because Prince did not want to be tied to the narcotic prescription.)

Ultimately, they "charged?" Dr.S for writing a presrcription in KJ's name because the dr. performed the illegal action by writing the Rx, and they were never able to tie KJ to procuring the street drugs.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

In regards to the attorney from Ca, when he/she got there, Meron said to ‘let them (the attorneys) in because they were probably there to speak with her’. The detective informed Meron that in fact they were NOT there for her...what was that about?

Back to the criminal report- that was my thought-that they backdated it to 4/21, and if KJ admitted something then by attorneys advice, retracted it (like I was insinuating)- could they still go back on him?

nelcp777 said:

Thank you sooo much for your selfless time invested, and you’re ‘accounting/OCD’ knowledge of being able to piece this together


..and yes, I agree that these files were placed into the public realm for more reasons than one

nelcp777 said:

I have finished the reports and the warrant file. The only real loose end is to tie the item numbers together, but that is hard. The CCSO, DEA and initial reference items are all over the place.

Here is the link to the document:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vAGeRbaWkdo85vozpoQFVUp2ufGWCayEkhFOjxTDaG8/edit?usp=sharing

Let me know if I missed anything.

Thank you for doing this nelcp

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ISLIJAG: based on your long professional experience, why do you think KJ was initially characterized as an offender???

Seriously, I dont know why it appears KJ is listed as an offender (good catch Precioux). A cause of death had not been determined at that time. Or it could be the report was dated 4/21/16 but not drafted until much later, and KJ was a person of interest.

But, if you recall Kirk gave a statement to the police and would have continued talking to the Detective if he had not been interrupted.

Meron, on the other hand refused to talk to the police citing the NDA, asked to be taken to her hotel room, refused to answer the door when the police officer went looking for her after she was gone way too long, but then she showed back up at PP later.

What was Meron doing in her hotel room, and why wouldnt she answer the door?

I also think it is shady that Phaedra refused to talk to the police. She was his manager FFS.

It is also mysterious as to why Attorney Diane Frappier whose place of business is in Oakland, California, was at the scene. Why didnt the police interview her?

THIS. And after all Theo London said they didn't think of talking to the people he mentioned? It was one of the most interesting interviews out of the files........

Completely off subject, but I wonder if P. was in the habit of leaving space heaters on all over the place...seems a little dangerous. It makes me wonder if he went to the kitchen, turned on the space heater and put his food, glasses and CD on the table, and went upstairs to wash up (after touching surfaces in a Dr 's office) , took something to relieve the withdrawal symptoms that KJ said he was experiencing on the way home, and intended to come back down to eat. Did we ever find out what was in that food container left on the table?

Camileyun said:

Completely off subject, but I wonder if P. was in the habit of leaving space heaters on all over the place...seems a little dangerous. It makes me wonder if he went to the kitchen, turned on the space heater and put his food, glasses and CD on the table, and went upstairs to wash up (after touching surfaces in a Dr 's office) , took something to relieve the withdrawal symptoms that KJ said he was experiencing on the way home, and intended to come back down to eat. Did we ever find out what was in that food container left on the table?

The food the chef prepared for Prince, was never touched, it was the same place the chef left it at in the fridge.

Don't know whose food that was on the table, but don't forget that could've been from several days later since the PD didn't get a warrant right away.

PennyPurple said:

I never downloaded the pics, but why take pictures of someone's lunch thrown on a table after days of people traipsing through PP? Were they Ps glasses? And why throw your stupid lunch down on a table and leave Ps glasses laying there? Makes no sense! Then when Kirk asked the LE if he could stay at PP after they were done, they LET HIM!!? After he lied to them??!!Did they tell him not to touch anything, because they'd be back? Were these the Keystone Cops from Podunk??!!
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che777x said:

If this is true, they're mostly going to learn about all the questions that SHOULD have been asked of the 3 enablers during their investigation. Too late now!

Camileyun said:

che777x said:

My thanks to all of you for remaining on this thread and not continually focusing just on the drug that killed him. I think that the investigative materials were published for more than the obvious reason -- To be investigated and perhaps something would be discovered that the investigators did not or could not see. Before I came to this site, I saw an article that described Prince fans as a very intelligent, open minded fanbase, who know their artist, among other attributes, and I suspect that the authorities know this and they know that their investigation is going to be investigated. So, why waste valuable time? Afterall, isn't this thread ito be closed soon???

If this is true, they're mostly going to learn about all the questions that SHOULD have been asked of the 3 enablers during their investigation. Too late now!

Too late indeed. I'm really pissed that there's no chance for a second investigation! What's done is done and the enablers can live their lifes in peace. I wonder if the authorities are proud of their work

Meron admitted to buying all those enemas for P., but knew nothing about P 's addiction to painkillers. What did she think, P. wasn't getting enough fiber with his vegetarian diet?

ThatWhiteDude said:

nelcp777 said:

I have finished the reports and the warrant file. The only real loose end is to tie the item numbers together, but that is hard. The CCSO, DEA and initial reference items are all over the place.

Here is the link to the document:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vAGeRbaWkdo85vozpoQFVUp2ufGWCayEkhFOjxTDaG8/edit?usp=sharing

Let me know if I missed anything.

Thank you for doing this nelcp

co-sign

How depressing and embarrasing it must have been for Prince to have to ask his pretty young assistant to buy him enemas? Phaedra comes off bad of course, Kirk comes off clueless and weak willed (as well as secretive and self-protective) but sometimes I think Meron might be the worst of the bunch because she was just going along for the ride. Didn't Jill Jones talk about some chick in P's house snorting coke in his bathroom when she last saw P a couple months before he died. She described her as African, young and with an afro. I suspect Prince hired her because he knew she wouldn't argue with him about his more self-destructive patterns, maybe, also because she looks like Andy Allo. What a mistake he made. By the time, he had to ask for enemas, he probably regretted it. I do recall Maya Washington talking about P's paranoia over labels being sewn into his dry cleaning and he asked if he should fire his assistant. She convinced him not to. Too bad.

Camileyun said:

Meron admitted to buying all those enemas for P., but knew nothing about P 's addiction to painkillers. What did she think, P. wasn't getting enough fiber with his vegetarian diet?

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

Yes, thank you...so much easier to use than poring through the report for answers!!

JJ said she 'smelled marijuana' in the bathroom where a younger crowd of girls were hanging out in the bathroom, and she didn't agree with him only surronding himself supposedly with that type, and it shocked her...IF it was JJ who said it, don't remember who, but do remember it was in regards to marijuana, not coke.

SkipperLove said:

How depressing and embarrasing it must have been for Prince to have to ask his pretty young assistant to buy him enemas? Phaedra comes off bad, but sometimes I think Meron might be the worst of the bunch because she was just going alone for the ride. Didn't Jill Jones talk about some chick in P's house snorting coke in his bathroom when she last saw P a couple months before he died. She described her as African, young and with an afro. I suspect Prince hired her because he knew she wouldn't argue with him about his more self-destructive patterns. Maybe, also because she looks like Andy Allo. What a mistake he made. By the time, he had to ask for enemas, he probably regretted it. I do recall Maya Washington talking about P's paranoia over labels being sewn into his dry cleaners and he asked if he should fire his assistant. She convinced him not to. Too bad.

Camileyun said:

Meron admitted to buying all those enemas for P., but knew nothing about P 's addiction to painkillers. What did she think, P. wasn't getting enough fiber with his vegetarian diet?