Menes said:

Nola said:

I haven't been able to find this out - when a big hit of Narcan (2 doses for Prince) hits the opioid receptors and wipes the drug out of the system essentially, do people lose their previous tolerances? We know they are thrown straight into withdrawal, but I wonder if the previously acquired tolerance is also wiped out? Meaning that the usual doses, increased steadily over time in order to achieve the desired result, could easily cause an overdose if there was no drug tolerance remaining. Just wondering if anyone knows.

Naloxone - Medical Counte...se - CHEMM

On a related item... if you get a chance, look at the mean peak value of ng/ml for one to overdose on hydrocodone . Compare that with was found in toxicology report. More so, if you can find the usage/dosage recommendations for the 853's, then compare it with what is in the tox.report, you may see something alarming . Alarming as in: He must have understood, the what , the when, and the how much. Caution to the wind goes hand in hand with these things and here is where I believe the rubber met the road.

I researched this many months ago and am just not able to go thru it again. I stand by what I've said for almost two years. My opinion is that this is not just a one and off "mistake"/"accident", nor is it just one pill. I do know he was regulating his usage, and at times, I believe he threw caution to the wind. I can not determine what he may have meant to do in an instant, but hey, neither can the ME. That's the rub.

Nola said:

PennyPurple said:

I'm like you all over the map. Never did believe it was murder either. It is looking like he knew what was in the Bayer bottle. The pills in the Aleve bottle was basically nothing, so if he was taking those he would've been in withdrawal, plus the narcan threw him in withdrawal. The 15 pills in his jewelry box is upsetting that he put those back, but like another poster said, when they quit smoking they always put a cig or 2 back.

Another thing that is upsetting is that KJ did try to get help for him and reached out to former associates, and he didn't get anywhere with them. These are the same associates who knew he had drug problems for years and yet deny he was on drugs.....I bet LG knew too.

Some people are saying that if the lawsuit against the Moline Hospital and Walgreens goes forward more documents might be released that goes into more details and we will be shocked at what those documents say and the people it involves.

I'm still not 100% certain on the suicide thing. I wouldn't think that Prince would be one to do that, but again I wouldn't have thought my grandma would've done it either.

When I was doing research last night I found some gossip site that said he left a note and an insider found it but never turned it over. It's not a credible site but it does make one think???

I'm with you Penny. There are aspects to this whole thing that just don't seem to fit well. As for the gossip site reveal? I have NO doubt that had he committed suicide and left a note, one of his 'people' would have taken it and not turned it over to the police. I have no trouble believing that for a minute, given all the other tampering that went on.

Ah the note, a most telling note...It's such a "daze".

Menes said:

I would have been very surprised if he had left a note--who would it be to, and what would it say? "Goodbye cruel world"? He cared about his privacy, not following some suicide etiquette - if he wanted anyone to know, he probably prepared them while he was here.

of course I think suicide is very possible, then the question is why? the reasons i've come up with even not long after he died were in no particular order 1. He didn't like getting older, he didn't like what he saw in the mirror and he knew it was all downhill from here on out. 2. some kind of illness('). 3. Depression 4. Just boredom. It may have been one or a combo of any but I think it was intentional.

Menes said:

Menes said:

Naloxone - Medical Counte...se - CHEMM

On a related item... if you get a chance, look at the mean peak value of ng/ml for one to overdose on hydrocodone . Compare that with was found in toxicology report. More so, if you can find the usage/dosage recommendations for the 853's, then compare it with what is in the tox.report, you may see something alarming . Alarming as in: He must have understood, the what , the when, and the how much. Caution to the wind goes hand in hand with these things and here is where I believe the rubber met the road.

I researched this many months ago and am just not able to go thru it again. I stand by what I've said for almost two years. My opinion is that this is not just a one and off "mistake"/"accident", nor is it just one pill. I do know he was regulating his usage, and at times, I believe he threw caution to the wind. I can not determine what he may have meant to do in an instant, but hey, neither can the ME. That's the rub.

Nola said:

Menes said:

Taking the statement"if it happens , it happens"... one would have to consider the historicity(of said user), aggregate information, and intent

As to being a smoker, there has never been any aggregate information to support that because one is aware of cancer, one can, and does smoke to get cancer. However, there is an overwhelming amount of information to support that "x" amount of the populus who overdose ,is clearly doing so to induce cessation of life....<<<insert here the myriad of reasons why. Therefore, with such tangible facts at ones disposable, the only thing to determine said outcome is this nagging preface that only an ME can determine the said intent . It has never been universally accepted that the ME's determination is binding or arbitrary. It is simply a regulating tool that is based upon a very strict guideline and can vary from examiner to examiner. In essence, persons who are emplyed by a regulating body, are merely legal assignees.

As to my example ( russian roulette), there is a plurality of circumstances that can lead one to assume that either the player is unaware of how this game is played, or, is willing to play the game until an end result is achieved. This is where the historicity( of said user), aggregate information, ( events, timelines, patterns and end result) is used as a combined tool in considering probability.

All things being equal, my opinion is that "undetermined" has a far more profound definition than accidental in this case (if the guidelines were not so strictly enforced in one state).Within the scope of "undetermined", one should take into consideration all that has been presented to determine how the game was played.

I'd love to know how the experts settled on 'accidental overdose' - surely they must have more experiential knowledge to go on in cases like this than a missing suicide note since many people just check out and don't ever leave a note. I really do wonder how they arrived at their conclusion.

Basically, from what I understand, it's all down to what remains undigested in the stomach. Suicide by pill usually entails someone taking a lot of pills. More than enough to overdose. What happens is once the required amount to kill has metabolized you will die. There will still be several undigested pills in the stomach. It is therefore an easy determination to make that it was suicide because the person clearly took way more pills than is safe. But if only one pill contains enough to kill you (ie an illigal counterfeit pill) then there will not be any trace of further pills in the stomach. Therefore it cannot be determined that taking that pill was a deliberate attempt at suicide. The ME would have to rule accidental considering there was no suicide note either. They simply have err on the side of caution and state the person only took one pill (maybe two) indicating there is no evidence of intent to die.

Of course, what the ME does not know, and can not possibly know, is if the person KNEW one or two pills was enough to die. The only person who knows that answer is the person that is dead. Therefore, they cannot make a guess in that regard and have to state accidental.

So it is possible Prince committed suicide. but for that to be the case he would have to have known only one (maybe two) pills would do the job. He didn't swallow a dozen pills because if he did, the ME could have safely ruled his death as suicide. So the question is really whether Prince knew he had a lethal batch and knew only one or two pills would be enough to end it all, or whether he was oblivious to the fact he was walking around with kill pills. That can be the only determining factor that would answer the accidental vs suicide question.

It is possible to deduce that after Moline he surely must have known what he had on his hands and therefore knew the Bayer bottle contained deadly pills. But reading JH's interview with the police, it sounds like Prince thought his OD in moline was because he mixed his pills. Implying he took one regular percocet (?) and one from the Bayer bottle. And because they didn't test the pill in Moline or conduct any blood tests, Prince left that hospital none the wiser.

It could be that deep down he knew exactly what caused the problem in Moline and was just playing dumb, indicating the second OD may have been deliberate. Or he just as easily could have genuinely thought it was all down to mixing two pills, meaning on that fateful night he thought he would be safe as long as he didn't mix his pills, indicating accidental overdose. It could also be possible the Moline incident was no accident either.

I don't think we will ever get the answer to this. It is just not possible to know what he was thinking at the time. One thing we do know is that Prince was an addict. he was also an addict that was in dire trouble. Now what goes on in the mind of an addict does not equate to what normal folk would call rational. So those last few days will probably always remain a mystery.

Nola said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

difficult, if not impossible, to be "image conscious" and "desperate" at the same time. I believe his 'desperation' re his growing addiction was FAR MORE IMPORTANT to him than his museum plans...he was dope sick...he was looking for the next time he could feel better....he was not curating his stage costumes and guitars (which were stashed rather disrespectfully, IMO, in what looked like a maintenance storage closet)...he was living from fix to fix. Get real...Maybe he was blindsided in Moline, but after that, he knew what was up and it wasn't 'bad soup.'

Exactly Bohi. If he was blindsided in Moline and overdosed almost to the point of death, he might have been inclined/scared enough to keep his fingers out of that Bayer bottle with the fentanyl in it. But no...he went for it again. Deliberately or accidentally? I wonder if we'll ever know. But for sure he was dope sick - in fact he would have been viciously sick altogether, given the double dose of Narcan mere days earlier. He would have been battling full blown withdrawals - he reached for the Bayer bottle again. I also agree that his house was a mess, his belongings not being cared for, his instruments laying around. It looked to me like he didn't care anymore - most likely what you said...he was living from fix to fix at that point.

He was in a lot of trouble by this time. And yet he still had the need to show the world he was all good by throwing a party. It really goes to show how important his image was to the outside world and probably even to those around him. If someone as sick as he was by that point was still protecting his image first and foremost, it is no wonder so many people around him were non the wiser to any problems. The man simply would not accept help and he would not accept defeat. I dont even think he had come to accept he needed help in those last few days. I think he was paying lip service to KJ and those around him those last few days. He may have taken that last pill in order to get himself into workable shape for when the withdrawal doc arrived in the morning. Just so he could tell him all was good and his services were not required. Bye bye doc, thanks but no thanks, all is good and under control.

Rebeljuice said:

Nola said:

Exactly Bohi. If he was blindsided in Moline and overdosed almost to the point of death, he might have been inclined/scared enough to keep his fingers out of that Bayer bottle with the fentanyl in it. But no...he went for it again. Deliberately or accidentally? I wonder if we'll ever know. But for sure he was dope sick - in fact he would have been viciously sick altogether, given the double dose of Narcan mere days earlier. He would have been battling full blown withdrawals - he reached for the Bayer bottle again. I also agree that his house was a mess, his belongings not being cared for, his instruments laying around. It looked to me like he didn't care anymore - most likely what you said...he was living from fix to fix at that point.

He was in a lot of trouble by this time. And yet he still had the need to show the world he was all good by throwing a party. It really goes to show how important his image was to the outside world and probably even to those around him. If someone as sick as he was by that point was still protecting his image first and foremost, it is no wonder so many people around him were non the wiser to any problems. The man simply would not accept help and he would not accept defeat. I dont even think he had come to accept he needed help in those last few days. I think he was paying lip service to KJ and those around him those last few days. He may have taken that last pill in order to get himself into workable shape for when the withdrawal doc arrived in the morning. Just so he could tell him all was good and his services were not required. Bye bye doc, thanks but no thanks, all is good and under control.

This is what I been trying to tell them OVER & OVER again. Prince's image meant the WORLD to him. He would NOT had deliberately took his life like that. It was an ACCIDENTAL OVERDOSE!

Also your analogy of a suicide overdose was simply BRILLIANT.

Rebeljuice said:

Wow. You all are writing what I’ve been thinking. But we will never know for sure because P is the only one who knows and it comes down to did he know that what he took would surely end his life that night. Did he know that only a few pills were ‘necessary’ or did he truly believe that what caused the OD on the plane was simply mixing the pills (as opposed to just taking one type of pill at one time).

To me, suicide is fair game based on the police interviews with JH and others. If he was saying things like ‘if I’m not here in summer, you will do the show without me, right?’ and acknowledging that he was depressed, was bored with singing his songs/making his music, and just wanted to sleep, well then those things could have combined with the access to pills to create a perfect storm. If his peeps say it could have been suicide then ... who am I to say absolutely not when I didn’t know the man. We will never know. Only he knows what he knew (or didn’t) on that night.

What I have read was that the amount of fent in his system was huge... and we know that he knew that something about those pills was possibly not legit given that he refused to tell folks at the hospital where and how he got them. But maybe they worked for his hand pain. Maybe he had randomly only used the ‘good’ fent pills from the bottle prior to the OD but randomly picked two ‘bad’ fent pills the night he died. Some pills could have had below .05% while others could have been 100% fent in the same bottle. But why would he submit to blood and urinalysis in MN at the end if he knew what he was taking and that it would show up in the results? If he was trying to hide what he was taking, then agreeing to be tested wasn’t the smartest move... unless he felt that the damage was done so F it. I could definitely see P trying to wean himself off of the pills as he had done before but I could not have envisioned him entering a treatment facility/program and that was precisely the next step (and based on the pamphlets they found in the house, I think he realized that at the end and maybe decided to be the ultimate control freak instead).

My vote is 50/50. 50% chance that he knew what he was taking that night would quickly kill him. 50% chance that he didn’t know because he thought he had figured out what caused the plane OD and could control it this time. The Narcan effectively only gave him a few more days. It spared his life temporarily but also created immediate withdrawal which is a dangerous time for people who can ensure that they are surrounded by friends/family... impossibly dangerous for those individuals who have the ability to isolate themselves while maintaining access to opiates.

I wish I knew the answers. I wish I knew the truth. The family may know more than we do but I somehow doubt that.

Menes said:

Perhaps you are correct. Perhaps he had a laissez-faire attitude at that point.
Ugh.

PeteSilas said:

The "why" of it will be speculated on until the end of time. Without a note or specific conversation with someone it's hard to say for sure. I think even with those things it's hard to say for sure what is really in the mind of someone in a mental/emotional place where he/she is settled with the prospect of ending their own life.

You really think they knew something? Do you think they spent so much time with him, that they had to of known something?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

I don't think the Welton's knew anything, they never seen him take anything but Aleve. Well guess what was in the Aleve bottle................

I dont believe for a minute they didnt know.

They dont get a pass either.

PennyPurple said:

You really think they knew something? Do you think they spent so much time with him, that they had to of known something?

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I dont believe for a minute they didnt know.

They dont get a pass either.

They knew. I think they all knew. The cash register, however, had to be kept alive in order for everyone to prosper.

1Sasha said:

I believe that to be the case as well.

1Sasha said:

PennyPurple said:

You really think they knew something? Do you think they spent so much time with him, that they had to of known something?

They knew. I think they all knew. The cash register, however, had to be kept alive in order for everyone to prosper.

Even Judith?

Y’all underestimate the evil that is the medical industry ... the german concentration camps moved to the usa ... the purpose is addiction for income and death for depopulation ... once hooked the outcome is inevitable... pain pills increase pain after they wear off .. so you need more ... anti depressants cause depression so u will take more .. all of it affects decision making .. if p had too difficult withdrawals to quit he was likely too far gone to pull the medical claws of death out of his soul ... he seems to heve tried to quit too late 15 years earlier and he may have had a chance

PennyPurple said:

Not sure about Judith, but I'm inclined to say she had no idea until she started putting two-and -two together after Moline.

Rebeljuice said:

Nola said:

I'd love to know how the experts settled on 'accidental overdose' - surely they must have more experiential knowledge to go on in cases like this than a missing suicide note since many people just check out and don't ever leave a note. I really do wonder how they arrived at their conclusion.

Basically, from what I understand, it's all down to what remains undigested in the stomach. Suicide by pill usually entails someone taking a lot of pills. More than enough to overdose. What happens is once the required amount to kill has metabolized you will die. There will still be several undigested pills in the stomach. It is therefore an easy determination to make that it was suicide because the person clearly took way more pills than is safe. But if only one pill contains enough to kill you (ie an illigal counterfeit pill) then there will not be any trace of further pills in the stomach. Therefore it cannot be determined that taking that pill was a deliberate attempt at suicide. The ME would have to rule accidental considering there was no suicide note either. They simply have err on the side of caution and state the person only took one pill (maybe two) indicating there is no evidence of intent to die.

Of course, what the ME does not know, and can not possibly know, is if the person KNEW one or two pills was enough to die. The only person who knows that answer is the person that is dead. Therefore, they cannot make a guess in that regard and have to state accidental.

So it is possible Prince committed suicide. but for that to be the case he would have to have known only one (maybe two) pills would do the job. He didn't swallow a dozen pills because if he did, the ME could have safely ruled his death as suicide. So the question is really whether Prince knew he had a lethal batch and knew only one or two pills would be enough to end it all, or whether he was oblivious to the fact he was walking around with kill pills. That can be the only determining factor that would answer the accidental vs suicide question.

It is possible to deduce that after Moline he surely must have known what he had on his hands and therefore knew the Bayer bottle contained deadly pills. But reading JH's interview with the police, it sounds like Prince thought his OD in moline was because he mixed his pills. Implying he took one regular percocet (?) and one from the Bayer bottle. And because they didn't test the pill in Moline or conduct any blood tests, Prince left that hospital none the wiser.

It could be that deep down he knew exactly what caused the problem in Moline and was just playing dumb, indicating the second OD may have been deliberate. Or he just as easily could have genuinely thought it was all down to mixing two pills, meaning on that fateful night he thought he would be safe as long as he didn't mix his pills, indicating accidental overdose. It could also be possible the Moline incident was no accident either.

I don't think we will ever get the answer to this. It is just not possible to know what he was thinking at the time. One thing we do know is that Prince was an addict. he was also an addict that was in dire trouble. Now what goes on in the mind of an addict does not equate to what normal folk would call rational. So those last few days will probably always remain a mystery.

Yes, this all makes sense - great answer. Thank you!

Rebeljuice said:

Nola said:

Exactly Bohi. If he was blindsided in Moline and overdosed almost to the point of death, he might have been inclined/scared enough to keep his fingers out of that Bayer bottle with the fentanyl in it. But no...he went for it again. Deliberately or accidentally? I wonder if we'll ever know. But for sure he was dope sick - in fact he would have been viciously sick altogether, given the double dose of Narcan mere days earlier. He would have been battling full blown withdrawals - he reached for the Bayer bottle again. I also agree that his house was a mess, his belongings not being cared for, his instruments laying around. It looked to me like he didn't care anymore - most likely what you said...he was living from fix to fix at that point.

He was in a lot of trouble by this time. And yet he still had the need to show the world he was all good by throwing a party. It really goes to show how important his image was to the outside world and probably even to those around him. If someone as sick as he was by that point was still protecting his image first and foremost, it is no wonder so many people around him were non the wiser to any problems. The man simply would not accept help and he would not accept defeat. I dont even think he had come to accept he needed help in those last few days. I think he was paying lip service to KJ and those around him those last few days. He may have taken that last pill in order to get himself into workable shape for when the withdrawal doc arrived in the morning. Just so he could tell him all was good and his services were not required. Bye bye doc, thanks but no thanks, all is good and under control.

This makes very good sense. One thing seems very clear - he would have been very sick and in very rough shape by this point. He knew the withdrawal doc was coming (or his son in this case) with the meds he needed to get him through the withdrawal symptoms. Whether he was sincere in his desire to quit or paying lip service, I think the mind of an addict is a stubborn thing, and I believe that many addicts facing the reality of losing their crutch, will often binge right before making the final commitment regardless of the specific addiction. Gotta have those few last cigarettes, last Big Macs, or whatever.

Nola said:

Agreed

Rebeljuice said:

Nola said:

I'd love to know how the experts settled on 'accidental overdose' - surely they must have more experiential knowledge to go on in cases like this than a missing suicide note since many people just check out and don't ever leave a note. I really do wonder how they arrived at their conclusion.

Basically, from what I understand, it's all down to what remains undigested in the stomach. Suicide by pill usually entails someone taking a lot of pills. More than enough to overdose. What happens is once the required amount to kill has metabolized you will die. There will still be several undigested pills in the stomach. It is therefore an easy determination to make that it was suicide because the person clearly took way more pills than is safe. But if only one pill contains enough to kill you (ie an illigal counterfeit pill) then there will not be any trace of further pills in the stomach. Therefore it cannot be determined that taking that pill was a deliberate attempt at suicide. The ME would have to rule accidental considering there was no suicide note either. They simply have err on the side of caution and state the person only took one pill (maybe two) indicating there is no evidence of intent to die.

Of course, what the ME does not know, and can not possibly know, is if the person KNEW one or two pills was enough to die. The only person who knows that answer is the person that is dead. Therefore, they cannot make a guess in that regard and have to state accidental.

So it is possible Prince committed suicide. but for that to be the case he would have to have known only one (maybe two) pills would do the job. He didn't swallow a dozen pills because if he did, the ME could have safely ruled his death as suicide. So the question is really whether Prince knew he had a lethal batch and knew only one or two pills would be enough to end it all, or whether he was oblivious to the fact he was walking around with kill pills. That can be the only determining factor that would answer the accidental vs suicide question.

It is possible to deduce that after Moline he surely must have known what he had on his hands and therefore knew the Bayer bottle contained deadly pills. But reading JH's interview with the police, it sounds like Prince thought his OD in moline was because he mixed his pills. Implying he took one regular percocet (?) and one from the Bayer bottle. And because they didn't test the pill in Moline or conduct any blood tests, Prince left that hospital none the wiser.

It could be that deep down he knew exactly what caused the problem in Moline and was just playing dumb, indicating the second OD may have been deliberate. Or he just as easily could have genuinely thought it was all down to mixing two pills, meaning on that fateful night he thought he would be safe as long as he didn't mix his pills, indicating accidental overdose. It could also be possible the Moline incident was no accident either.

I don't think we will ever get the answer to this. It is just not possible to know what he was thinking at the time. One thing we do know is that Prince was an addict. he was also an addict that was in dire trouble. Now what goes on in the mind of an addict does not equate to what normal folk would call rational. So those last few days will probably always remain a mystery.

WOW! what a BRILLIANT summation!!!

PennyPurple said:

1Sasha said:

They knew. I think they all knew. The cash register, however, had to be kept alive in order for everyone to prosper.

Even Judith?

I think she knew something was going on. Yes, people can hide addiction, but where did she sleep? What bathroom did she use? When you are living with someone for two weeks, then you leave him and go away for two weeks, then come back ... You can see or sense things. She wasn't there exclusively so she wouldn't have missed little changes. He looked skeletal in that video she made with him. Really? She didn't notice?

[Edited 6/27/18 8:15am]

1Sasha said:

PennyPurple said:

Even Judith?

I think she knew something was going on. Yes, people can hide addiction, but where did she sleep? What bathroom did she use? When you are living with someone for two weeks, then you leave him and go away for two weeks, then come back ... You can see or sense things. She wasn't there exclusively so she wouldn't have missed little changes. He looked skeletal in that video she made with him. Really? She didn't notice?

[Edited 6/27/18 8:15am]

Yeah but most of the time he shipped her out to the motel. LOL

PennyPurple said:

1Sasha said:

I think she knew something was going on. Yes, people can hide addiction, but where did she sleep? What bathroom did she use? When you are living with someone for two weeks, then you leave him and go away for two weeks, then come back ... You can see or sense things. She wasn't there exclusively so she wouldn't have missed little changes. He looked skeletal in that video she made with him. Really? She didn't notice?

[Edited 6/27/18 8:15am]

Yeah but most of the time he shipped her out to the motel. LOL

I remember hearing about that ... That would be a red flag for me. My lover doesn't want me around? Even more reason to think she would notice odd things about him.

1Sasha said:

PennyPurple said:

Yeah but most of the time he shipped her out to the motel. LOL

I remember hearing about that ... That would be a red flag for me. My lover doesn't want me around? Even more reason to think she would notice odd things about him.

Well her and KJ said that now they know why he had the mood swings.

Mayte said back in January/16 that she heard he wasn't doing well.

[Edited 6/27/18 8:35am]

PennyPurple said:

1Sasha said:

I remember hearing about that ... That would be a red flag for me. My lover doesn't want me around? Even more reason to think she would notice odd things about him.

Well her and KJ said that now they know why he had the mood swings.

Mayte said back in January/16 that she heard he wasn't doing well.

[Edited 6/27/18 8:35am]

such a sad coda to their journey tgether...and further proof that even those who had not been in contact with him for years 'KNEW"...for all the love that so many professed for him, I only hope they feel shame for their cowardice in not standing up and speaking out...

PennyPurple said:

1Sasha said:

I think she knew something was going on. Yes, people can hide addiction, but where did she sleep? What bathroom did she use? When you are living with someone for two weeks, then you leave him and go away for two weeks, then come back ... You can see or sense things. She wasn't there exclusively so she wouldn't have missed little changes. He looked skeletal in that video she made with him. Really? She didn't notice?

[Edited 6/27/18 8:15am]

Yeah but most of the time he shipped her out to the motel. LOL

That's not a very pleasant thing to say. U weren't even there to assume anything.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

Yeah but most of the time he shipped her out to the motel. LOL

That's not a very pleasant thing to say. U weren't even there to assume anything.

It's in Judith's statement to police, we don't have to assume anything.

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

That's not a very pleasant thing to say. U weren't even there to assume anything.

It's in Judith's statement to police, we don't have to assume anything.

I know it's in the statement. But U clearly made a joke out of it in a sarcastic way.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

It's in Judith's statement to police, we don't have to assume anything.

I know it's in the statement. But U clearly made a joke out of it in a sarcastic way.

And?

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I know it's in the statement. But U clearly made a joke out of it in a sarcastic way.

And?

and maybe we're supposed to think that getting bounced to a motel by your 'boyfriend' when you're visiting him is an example of him being caring and concerned that you might be turned off by the condition of his private living quarters and he doesn't want to skeeve you out.