Nola said:

PennyPurple said:

I'm like you all over the map. Never did believe it was murder either. It is looking like he knew what was in the Bayer bottle. The pills in the Aleve bottle was basically nothing, so if he was taking those he would've been in withdrawal, plus the narcan threw him in withdrawal. The 15 pills in his jewelry box is upsetting that he put those back, but like another poster said, when they quit smoking they always put a cig or 2 back.

Another thing that is upsetting is that KJ did try to get help for him and reached out to former associates, and he didn't get anywhere with them. These are the same associates who knew he had drug problems for years and yet deny he was on drugs.....I bet LG knew too.

Some people are saying that if the lawsuit against the Moline Hospital and Walgreens goes forward more documents might be released that goes into more details and we will be shocked at what those documents say and the people it involves.

I'm still not 100% certain on the suicide thing. I wouldn't think that Prince would be one to do that, but again I wouldn't have thought my grandma would've done it either.

When I was doing research last night I found some gossip site that said he left a note and an insider found it but never turned it over. It's not a credible site but it does make one think???

I'm with you Penny. There are aspects to this whole thing that just don't seem to fit well. As for the gossip site reveal? I have NO doubt that had he committed suicide and left a note, one of his 'people' would have taken it and not turned it over to the police. I have no trouble believing that for a minute, given all the other tampering that went on.

And since we're at least thinking out loud that a suicide note could have been stuffed into someone's pocket and not turned over....what about a Will? Does anyone else think it was strange that someone with as many assets as Prince did not have a Will? He certainly had exposure to lawyers and legal battles over the years - surely one of them might have asked him outright if he had a Will in place. And if he did...how easy it would have been to just stuff it in a pocket and deny it's existence. PP was not secure and it seems like at least one or more persons were rummaging around in his personal business (I'm thinking of all those missing emails on the unsecured computer as a starting point).

Nola said:

Nola said:

I'm with you Penny. There are aspects to this whole thing that just don't seem to fit well. As for the gossip site reveal? I have NO doubt that had he committed suicide and left a note, one of his 'people' would have taken it and not turned it over to the police. I have no trouble believing that for a minute, given all the other tampering that went on.

And since we're at least thinking out loud that a suicide note could have been stuffed into someone's pocket and not turned over....what about a Will? Does anyone else think it was strange that someone with as many assets as Prince did not have a Will? He certainly had exposure to lawyers and legal battles over the years - surely one of them might have asked him outright if he had a Will in place. And if he did...how easy it would have been to just stuff it in a pocket and deny it's existence. PP was not secure and it seems like at least one or more persons were rummaging around in his personal business (I'm thinking of all those missing emails on the unsecured computer as a starting point).

my understanding is that any will drawn up by a lawyer would have surfaced by now bc the attorneys involved would have a legal obligation to come forward. I don't know the criteria (anyone out there?) for a hand-written will in Mn...but I imagine such a document would at least have to had been witnessed and I believe any witnesses would have come forward by now...so we have what we have...a dead Prince, no Will, no real estate planning, greedy relatives, PP turned into a dead rock star tourist attraction, a paltry amount of new music released after 2 years, and a whole bunch of other unpleasant, unforseen things that have haunted his fans....and will continue to haunt them.

[Edited 6/26/18 18:10pm]

No, I don't think there was a will I don't think he was into that. He might have had 1 with each wife, but that's pretty normal when you're married and might be starting a family.

[Edited 6/26/18 18:32pm]

Nola said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

difficult, if not impossible, to be "image conscious" and "desperate" at the same time. I believe his 'desperation' re his growing addiction was FAR MORE IMPORTANT to him than his museum plans...he was dope sick...he was looking for the next time he could feel better....he was not curating his stage costumes and guitars (which were stashed rather disrespectfully, IMO, in what looked like a maintenance storage closet)...he was living from fix to fix. Get real...Maybe he was blindsided in Moline, but after that, he knew what was up and it wasn't 'bad soup.'

Exactly Bohi. If he was blindsided in Moline and overdosed almost to the point of death, he might have been inclined/scared enough to keep his fingers out of that Bayer bottle with the fentanyl in it. But no...he went for it again. Deliberately or accidentally? I wonder if we'll ever know. But for sure he was dope sick - in fact he would have been viciously sick altogether, given the double dose of Narcan mere days earlier. He would have been battling full blown withdrawals - he reached for the Bayer bottle again. I also agree that his house was a mess, his belongings not being cared for, his instruments laying around. It looked to me like he didn't care anymore - most likely what you said...he was living from fix to fix at that point.

PP was in the MIDDLE of a RENOVATION to be turned into a MUSEUM!

His WHOLE place was NOT a MESS!

Nola said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Nola said:

Exactly Bohi. If he was blindsided in Moline and overdosed almost to the point of death, he might have been inclined/scared enough to keep his fingers out of that Bayer bottle with the fentanyl in it. But no...he went for it again. Deliberately or accidentally? I wonder if we'll ever know. But for sure he was dope sick - in fact he would have been viciously sick altogether, given the double dose of Narcan mere days earlier. He would have been battling full blown withdrawals - he reached for the Bayer bottle again. I also agree that his house was a mess, his belongings not being cared for, his instruments laying around. It looked to me like he didn't care anymore - most likely what you said...he was living from fix to fix at that point.

PP was in the MIDDLE of a RENOVATION to be turned into a MUSEUM!

His WHOLE place was NOT a MESS!

Yes, it was a mess. His private living space wasn't being turned into a museum, so what is the excuse there?

Do I expect him to clean it up...no. Meron wasn't doing her job on hiring people to keep it clean.

Zipfile 5 page 168. Judith's testimony.

She said she talked to P about not taking anymore pills and he said he if he didn't he couldn't perform because of his hands, even though she had never heard him complain about them before. That is when he told her, he thinks he may have just mixed up the two. I won't do that anymore. (mix the 2).

He also thinks what the Medics gave him (narcan) is what started the whole thing.

When they questioned JH more, about him saying he mixed the 2 pills up, Judith said he told her he took 2 of the ones in the Bayer bottle.

Page 169 She said she started asking around and Trevor and some others had said that this happened before, a few years ago.

Kirk told JH that he has a feeling that he's been hiding this and KJ, JH started putting things together like his mood swings and such.

She also talks about KJ at the memorial service saying, that it all makes sense now, that's why P was asking them if KJ and JH would still do the shows if P wasn't there.

She told Phaedra about Moline and Phaedra said he was just sleeping.

P asked if KJ would be around and KJ said he was taking a vacation and going on cruise.

Judith said Prince would use the elevator all the time.

And let's not forget SheilaE told JH that she couldn't say anything and if she needed a lawyer they would lawyer her up.

I would guess Judith didn't know anything about the drug use, until Moline.

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

kmama07 said:

purplefam99 said: I can't speak for anyone else but I'm wide open right now. Never (and still don't) bought into the "murder" theory. Initially thought an underlying illness was a possibility but after reading investigation, nothing came up to coaborate that (other than chronic pain). Was surprised by the fact he was taking prescriptions in the way he was since for years he had the image and portrayed himself as a clean living person. Certainly don't fault him for the pills getting the best of him...it happens all the time to people who are taking them for real pain and they get in over their heads. Suicide? Didn't really cross my mind. Honestly thought it was like any other addict's "I'm gonna have one last fix and get clean tomorrow", and like many addicts, unfortunately and unintentionally, shit hit the fan. I guess I'm saying I'm no longer discounting a potential suicide. But honestly, I'm all over the map now. Just fucking sad all the way around. [Edited 6/26/18 14:19pm] [Edited 6/26/18 14:21pm]

I'm like you all over the map. Never did believe it was murder either. It is looking like he knew what was in the Bayer bottle. The pills in the Aleve bottle was basically nothing, so if he was taking those he would've been in withdrawal, plus the narcan threw him in withdrawal. The 15 pills in his jewelry box is upsetting that he put those back, but like another poster said, when they quit smoking they always put a cig or 2 back.

Another thing that is upsetting is that KJ did try to get help for him and reached out to former associates, and he didn't get anywhere with them. These are the same associates who knew he had drug problems for years and yet deny he was on drugs.....I bet LG knew too.

Some people are saying that if the lawsuit against the Moline Hospital and Walgreens goes forward more documents might be released that goes into more details and we will be shocked at what those documents say and the people it involves.

I'm still not 100% certain on the suicide thing. I wouldn't think that Prince would be one to do that, but again I wouldn't have thought my grandma would've done it either.

When I was doing research last night I found some gossip site that said he left a note and an insider found it but never turned it over. It's not a credible site but it does make one think???

The absence of something, doesn't mean that something isn't in existence.Would you could consider a gunshot wound to the head from playing "Russian roulette" , accidental, or intentional?

Menes said:

The absence of something, doesn't mean that something isn't in existence.Would you could consider a gunshot wound to the head from playing "Russian roulette" , accidental, or intentional?

An unlucky draw.

Here ya go Bodhi.

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

The absence of something, doesn't mean that something isn't in existence.Would you could consider a gunshot wound to the head from playing "Russian roulette" , accidental, or intentional?

An unlucky draw.

Now , all thing being equal, one would consider whether the player in such a game , has played this game before, and is acutely aware that the probability of playing such a game, will eventually result in the end of the game. Is the subsequent result (end of the game) accidental or intentional?

Ah, now we're thinking! By all prejudicial accounts, some would have you believe it was one pill and done. Until you understand the feeding habits... Which is as bright as the sun on a clear summer day. The report is designed to show a toxic level, as opposed to a quantitative pill amount to produce that amount. If you notice in the report, she sites an example of the cancer patient changing the patch every 3 hours or so. There are numerous way to ingest Fent. to produce same said effects.She did not equate the amount ingested( # of pills ) to a toxic level number.

Camileyun said:

PennyPurple said:

Here ya go Bodhi.

[/quote Do we know which type of pill was found in the bedding? I ask because the water bottle on the nightstand is nearly empty and since the investigation report did not quantify the number of pills that were ingested, it is possible that P poured out a handful (from the Bayer bottle) and one fell on the floor and it took more than one swig to wash it all down. I find it strange that the number of pills ingested was not included in the ME report.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

An unlucky draw.

Now , all thing being equal, one would consider whether the player in such a game , has played this game before, and is acutely aware that the probability of playing such a game, will eventually result in the end of the game. Is the subsequent result (end of the game) accidental or intentional?

That's 2 fold. For example I'm a smoker. I've tried and tried to kick the habit and can't quite get there. Do I know it's bad? Yes. Do I keep doing it. Yes. Do I know it will probably kill me? Yes. I'm not intentially trying to kill myself, and it's not accidental, because I'm clearly a nicotine addict. So I know what will happen, I just can't kick the habit. Sort of like Prince. And like Prince when I go thru withdrawals I say screw it and light one up. He probably thought if it happens, it happens, but didn't think it would happen.

PennyPurple said:

Camileyun said:

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Now , all thing being equal, one would consider whether the player in such a game , has played this game before, and is acutely aware that the probability of playing such a game, will eventually result in the end of the game. Is the subsequent result (end of the game) accidental or intentional?

That's 2 fold. For example I'm a smoker. I've tried and tried to kick the habit and can't quite get there. Do I know it's bad? Yes. Do I keep doing it. Yes. Do I know it will probably kill me? Yes. I'm not intentially trying to kill myself, and it's not accidental, because I'm clearly a nicotine addict. So I know what will happen, I just can't kick the habit. Sort of like Prince. And like Prince when I go thru withdrawals I say screw it and light one up. He probably thought if it happens, it happens, but didn't think it would happen.

Taking the statement"if it happens , it happens"... one would have to consider the historicity(of said user), aggregate information, and intent

As to being a smoker, there has never been any aggregate information to support that because one is aware of cancer, one can, and does smoke to get cancer. However, there is an overwhelming amount of information to support that "x" amount of the populus who overdose ,is clearly doing so to induce cessation of life....<<<insert here the myriad of reasons why. Therefore, with such tangible facts at ones disposable, the only thing to determine said outcome is this nagging preface that only an ME can determine the said intent . It has never been universally accepted that the ME's determination is binding or arbitrary. It is simply a regulating tool that is based upon a very strict guideline and can vary from examiner to examiner. In essence, persons who are emplyed by a regulating body, are merely legal assignees.

As to my example ( russian roulette), there is a plurality of circumstances that can lead one to assume that either the player is unaware of how this game is played, or, is willing to play the game until an end result is achieved. This is where the historicity( of said user), aggregate information, ( events, timelines, patterns and end result) is used as a combined tool in considering probability.

All things being equal, my opinion is that "undetermined" has a far more profound definition than accidental in this case (if the guidelines were not so strictly enforced in one state).Within the scope of "undetermined", one should take into consideration all that has been presented to determine how the game was played.

PennyPurple said:

I don't think the Welton's knew anything, they never seen him take anything but Aleve. Well guess what was in the Aleve bottle................

I dont believe for a minute they didnt know.

They dont get a pass either.

PennyPurple said:

No, I don't think there was a will I don't think he was into that. He might have had 1 with each wife, but that's pretty normal when you're married and might be starting a family.

Ruth Azarte, P's manager/assistant said that she talked to P about a will and he shrugged it off.

Ruth says she asked P, "Do you know who is going to get everything if you die without a will?"

P asked her "Who?"

Ruth told him "The government"
There was no will.

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Now , all thing being equal, one would consider whether the player in such a game , has played this game before, and is acutely aware that the probability of playing such a game, will eventually result in the end of the game. Is the subsequent result (end of the game) accidental or intentional?

That's 2 fold. For example I'm a smoker. I've tried and tried to kick the habit and can't quite get there. Do I know it's bad? Yes. Do I keep doing it. Yes. Do I know it will probably kill me? Yes. I'm not intentially trying to kill myself, and it's not accidental, because I'm clearly a nicotine addict. So I know what will happen, I just can't kick the habit. Sort of like Prince. And like Prince when I go thru withdrawals I say screw it and light one up. He probably thought if it happens, it happens, but didn't think it would happen.

Penny I think you and I are soul sisters in some way. I was thinking this very thing when I wrote my note earlier today about all the times I've tried to quit smoking, but kept a little secret stash 'just in case'. The addict's brain is a funny thing (speaking as a nicotine addict also). It fools us into thinking we can't bear the discomfort of withdrawals and makes us think "I'll start over again next week" or "it won't happen to me". I get it.

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PP was in the MIDDLE of a RENOVATION to be turned into a MUSEUM!

His WHOLE place was NOT a MESS!

Yes, it was a mess. His private living space wasn't being turned into a museum, so what is the excuse there?

Do I expect him to clean it up...no. Meron wasn't doing her job on hiring people to keep it clean.

I agree. I saw things in those pictures that made me wonder why she wasn't being more diligent about keeping the cleaning staff on track. It's one thing to leave a heap of dried bedsheets on top of your own dryer - quite another to do it in an employer's home when you're being paid. I highly doubt Prince was doing his own laundry, and even if he was, surely someone who was being (likely well) paid, could have put them away. There were a lot of those little things. Not just the filthy bathroom in his own quarters - maybe he didn't allow the cleaning staff in there - who knows. But the laundry room? Mine is cleaner and tidier than that, and I don't have a staff.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

That's 2 fold. For example I'm a smoker. I've tried and tried to kick the habit and can't quite get there. Do I know it's bad? Yes. Do I keep doing it. Yes. Do I know it will probably kill me? Yes. I'm not intentially trying to kill myself, and it's not accidental, because I'm clearly a nicotine addict. So I know what will happen, I just can't kick the habit. Sort of like Prince. And like Prince when I go thru withdrawals I say screw it and light one up. He probably thought if it happens, it happens, but didn't think it would happen.

Taking the statement"if it happens , it happens"... one would have to consider the historicity(of said user), aggregate information, and intent

As to being a smoker, there has never been any aggregate information to support that because one is aware of cancer, one can, and does smoke to get cancer. However, there is an overwhelming amount of information to support that "x" amount of the populus who overdose ,is clearly doing so to induce cessation of life....<<<insert here the myriad of reasons why. Therefore, with such tangible facts at ones disposable, the only thing to determine said outcome is this nagging preface that only an ME can determine the said intent . It has never been universally accepted that the ME's determination is binding or arbitrary. It is simply a regulating tool that is based upon a very strict guideline and can vary from examiner to examiner. In essence, persons who are emplyed by a regulating body, are merely legal assignees.

As to my example ( russian roulette), there is a plurality of circumstances that can lead one to assume that either the player is unaware of how this game is played, or, is willing to play the game until an end result is achieved. This is where the historicity( of said user), aggregate information, ( events, timelines, patterns and end result) is used as a combined tool in considering probability.

All things being equal, my opinion is that "undetermined" has a far more profound definition than accidental in this case (if the guidelines were not so strictly enforced in one state).Within the scope of "undetermined", one should take into consideration all that has been presented to determine how the game was played.

I'd love to know how the experts settled on 'accidental overdose' - surely they must have more experiential knowledge to go on in cases like this than a missing suicide note since many people just check out and don't ever leave a note. I really do wonder how they arrived at their conclusion.

When I was in grad school, I took a course on human dynamics. We discussed the different mindsets and relationships of individuals that were poor, middle class, and rich. The interesting thing about the studies we looked at were poor people that suddenly became rich (such as winning a lottery) did not change their mindsets or the type of relationships they developed. Poor people tended to seek more familial type of relationships. The people they knew were who they knew because they grew up with them. The relationships were familiar, and at times, dysfunctional. Middle class individuals leaned towards family but also had those business type of connections, "What can this relationship provide for me financially?" Rich people were less familial and were more about the connections that could bring them more prestige, more power.

The studies, however, with the poor individuals that suddenly became rich, their mindset and relationship templates didn't change (ie they kept close to the same people they'd always kept close to, no matter how dysfunctional). This would often result in them losing all their money, or at the very least continuing to have dysfunctional and chaotic relationships.

The studies that were done on the mindsets of the rich, middle class, and poor were really interesting. I bring this up, because while Prince definitely became rich and famous, his developmental years, his childhood, and his teen years, were built from a "poor individual's" mindset. Remember the story of being outside McDonald's and smelling the burgers, but not being able to buy any? That kind of poor mindset. While he developed new relationships and let go of a lot of people over the years, that mindset of family and close ties would have remained with him. He kind of dabbled in the middle class and rich dynamics of relationships, but when push comes to shove, his core was still that little boy who didn't have a lot.

Someone asked about the look of his bedroom and mentioned Prince being "image conscious". The result from those studies was that individuals tend towards what they are comfortable with, no matter how rich they become. That green bedroom looks like many bedrooms I had when I was growing up poor. Sparse furnishings, little to nothing on the walls, etc. The image conscious Prince was for public consumption, but in the privacy of his own home, he would tend towards what he had always felt comfortable with.

As far as the cleanliness of Paisley Park, it sounds like towards the end, Prince didn't have a lot of people working for him, just a skeleton crew really. It sounded like he was the one going through everything and deciding what would be put in a museium, etc. Prince was someone whose focus would change quickly, so while he might start out hot and heavy on getting things ready for a museum, if something else caught his attention, he'd put everything aside to focus on what captured his interest in that moment (true Gemini personality). That would explain how disheveled everything looked. He got into it, something else captured his attention, he focused on that other thing for awhile, then went back to the museum. In that situation, if he had no one helping him really, then it does not suprise me about the condition of Paisley Park, especially the private areas of Paisley Park. If he was doing it by himself, it was bound to look disheveled as music, tours, or other things captured his attention inbetween working on it.

[Edited 6/26/18 21:21pm]

Camileyun said:

Menes said:

Hope we can all see, that so far, Prince is feeding continually even after Moline and pretends to not know why anything is happening. I also don't see anything that resembles that he would not be a combination user of multiple things.

Also, there does not seem to be a grand and opportune time to go fetch a new batch that has a bad "pill" in it. There is fentanyl in that house way before that fateful night. How he escapes dying from it on any other night previously , is beyond me. Very unlucky man .

The expiration dates stamped on the Bayer and Aleve bottles could possibly indicate (if the dates were recent) when he may have procured the batch of bad pills. Not a scientific conclusion, but I doubt he would transfer pills he's had for a while into new bottles.

Well, here's a scientific consideration for you . A very long time ago, the numbers were determined from a toxicology report concerning the amount of hydrocodone in Prince's system prior to his death. Of note, there is no fentanyl in his system for this report , but there is a glaring consideration for the amount of hydrocodone in his system.

There is also consideration for the things like metabolc rate, half life, and dosage amount AFTER MOLINE that can and should be considered when looking at the results/ numerical values from the toxicology report of Dr. Schulenberg.

Now, if one were to measure what is being personally regulated, this is a wonderful starting point. I don't wan't to run the risk of sounding cynical about everything, but either this person is arbitrarily selecting a pill,dosage etc, or these numerical equations are pre- determinative, as in, (I wont take what I took before, and,... I am aware of what I am taking to produce said effect).

Since there is no prescription for them, (and hes not a scientist), there must be some determined pattern in order to exact a pattern of usage to produce desired effect. There is a huge difference from what happened in Moline, and this toxicology result. It clearly shows a varying degree of what to use and how much to use. A parallel conclusion to exactly what you are saying...

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Nola said:

And since we're at least thinking out loud that a suicide note could have been stuffed into someone's pocket and not turned over....what about a Will? Does anyone else think it was strange that someone with as many assets as Prince did not have a Will? He certainly had exposure to lawyers and legal battles over the years - surely one of them might have asked him outright if he had a Will in place. And if he did...how easy it would have been to just stuff it in a pocket and deny it's existence. PP was not secure and it seems like at least one or more persons were rummaging around in his personal business (I'm thinking of all those missing emails on the unsecured computer as a starting point).

my understanding is that any will drawn up by a lawyer would have surfaced by now bc the attorneys involved would have a legal obligation to come forward. I don't know the criteria (anyone out there?) for a hand-written will in Mn...but I imagine such a document would at least have to had been witnessed and I believe any witnesses would have come forward by now...so we have what we have...a dead Prince, no Will, no real estate planning, greedy relatives, PP turned into a dead rock star tourist attraction, a paltry amount of new music released after 2 years, and a whole bunch of other unpleasant, unforseen things that have haunted his fans....and will continue to haunt them.

[Edited 6/26/18 18:10pm]

Yes, I guess I didn't think that through - being such a public figure, any lawyer who prepared a Will for Prince would have come forward by now. Where I live, the lawyer doesn't retain copies of Wills, Personal Directives or Enduring Power of Attorney in the case of death (just had ours done recently). Both copies came into our hands with instructions to give one copy to executor, etc. and the other to be stored ideally in a fireproof safe in the home. I remember being surprised that the lawyer didn't keep a copy in his files.

Menes said:

Camileyun said:

Menes said: The expiration dates stamped on the Bayer and Aleve bottles could possibly indicate (if the dates were recent) when he may have procured the batch of bad pills. Not a scientific conclusion, but I doubt he would transfer pills he's had for a while into new bottles.

Well, here's a scientific consideration for you . A very long time ago, the numbers were determined from a toxicology report concerning the amount of hydrocodone in Prince's system prior to his death. Of note, there is no fentanyl in his system for this report , but there is a glaring consideration for the amount of hydrocodone in his system.

There is also consideration for the things like metabolc rate, half life, and dosage amount AFTER MOLINE that can and should be considered when looking at the results/ numerical values from the toxicology report of Dr. Schulenberg.

Now, if one were to measure what is being personally regulated, this is a wonderful starting point. I don't wan't to run the risk of sounding cynical about everything, but either this person is arbitrarily selecting a pill,dosage etc, or these numerical equations are pre- determinative, as in, (I wont take what I took before, and,... I am aware of what I am taking to produce said effect).

Since there is no prescription for them, (and hes not a scientist), there must be some determined pattern in order to exact a pattern of usage to produce desired effect. There is a huge difference from what happened in Moline, and this toxicology result. It clearly shows a varying degree of what to use and how much to use. A parallel conclusion to exactly what you are saying...

I haven't been able to find this out - when a big hit of Narcan (2 doses for Prince) hits the opioid receptors and wipes the drug out of the system essentially, do people lose their previous tolerances? We know they are thrown straight into withdrawal, but I wonder if the previously acquired tolerance is also wiped out? Meaning that the usual doses, increased steadily over time in order to achieve the desired result, could easily cause an overdose if there was no drug tolerance remaining. Just wondering if anyone knows.

Nola said:

Yes, I guess I didn't think that through - being such a public figure, any lawyer who prepared a Will for Prince would have come forward by now. Where I live, the lawyer doesn't retain copies of Wills, Personal Directives or Enduring Power of Attorney in the case of death (just had ours done recently). Both copies came into our hands with instructions to give one copy to executor, etc. and the other to be stored ideally in a fireproof safe in the home. I remember being surprised that the lawyer didn't keep a copy in his files.

I have copies of all my clients' wills for the past 30 years.

Nola said:

Menes said:

Well, here's a scientific consideration for you . A very long time ago, the numbers were determined from a toxicology report concerning the amount of hydrocodone in Prince's system prior to his death. Of note, there is no fentanyl in his system for this report , but there is a glaring consideration for the amount of hydrocodone in his system.

There is also consideration for the things like metabolc rate, half life, and dosage amount AFTER MOLINE that can and should be considered when looking at the results/ numerical values from the toxicology report of Dr. Schulenberg.

Now, if one were to measure what is being personally regulated, this is a wonderful starting point. I don't wan't to run the risk of sounding cynical about everything, but either this person is arbitrarily selecting a pill,dosage etc, or these numerical equations are pre- determinative, as in, (I wont take what I took before, and,... I am aware of what I am taking to produce said effect).

Since there is no prescription for them, (and hes not a scientist), there must be some determined pattern in order to exact a pattern of usage to produce desired effect. There is a huge difference from what happened in Moline, and this toxicology result. It clearly shows a varying degree of what to use and how much to use. A parallel conclusion to exactly what you are saying...

I haven't been able to find this out - when a big hit of Narcan (2 doses for Prince) hits the opioid receptors and wipes the drug out of the system essentially, do people lose their previous tolerances? We know they are thrown straight into withdrawal, but I wonder if the previously acquired tolerance is also wiped out? Meaning that the usual doses, increased steadily over time in order to achieve the desired result, could easily cause an overdose if there was no drug tolerance remaining. Just wondering if anyone knows.

Naloxone - Medical Counte...se - CHEMM

benni said: