Menes said:

Menes said:

Ah here we go> 4-25-2016 results are back. Test results show positive for opiates. Hydrocodone 253 ng/ml and hydromorphone 87ng/ml for levels. page 86. # 51. This was done @ Schulenberg's office.

*In addition , the lie Kirk made up was that he had hurt his back lifting equipment and needed something for pain relief. Page 66 # 51-52

Can someone please make screen shots of these things? 'Cause when I done with this stuff , Im done. This has caused me a lot of sex . She gets upset if I even ask Siri for directions these days.

HAHA...if it had "caused" you a lot of sex you would be a happy dude...I think you meant "cost"...your friendly editor...

PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

Oh, anything is possible, Im just saying that he is feeding from whatever is already in that house. This is a very, very smart man, Penny.

The question is, why start on the fentanyl? Short answer, the codene had probably stopped working?? Because of the tolerance factor. Those pills KJ got for him wasn't cutting it.

Was he asking for help to throw KJ off the trail, and really never wanted the help?

OR, he was saving his super-duper custom made fent pills for the exact moment of his choosing, and the exact place. Not in his bed. Not on his sound stage or in Studio A...he was trying to punch a higher floor.

Menes said:

Menes said:

Hope we can all see, that so far, Prince is feeding continually even after Moline and pretends to not know why anything is happening. I also don't see anything that resembles that he would not be a combination user of multiple things.

Also, there does not seem to be a grand and opportune time to go fetch a new batch that has a bad "pill" in it. There is fentanyl in that house way before that fateful night. How he escapes dying from it on any other night previously , is beyond me. Very unlucky man .

Ah here we go> 4-25-2016 results are back. Test results show positive for opiates. Hydrocodone 253 ng/ml and hydromorphone 87ng/ml for levels. page 86. # 51. This was done @ Schulenberg's office.

*In addition , the lie Kirk made up was that he had hurt his back lifting equipment and needed something for pain relief. Page 66 # 51-52

Room #6 ( same as Prince room/green room) as is mentioned by the detectives .

In this same room, remaining 853s found (49/27)

* Tidibit, > Prince's name was changed to "Peter Vang" and Kirks name was changed to "John Pellegrino" in hospital records on the day they visited Dr. Schulenberg( per last video)

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

The question is, why start on the fentanyl? Short answer, the codene had probably stopped working?? Because of the tolerance factor. Those pills KJ got for him wasn't cutting it.

Was he asking for help to throw KJ off the trail, and really never wanted the help?

OR, he was saving his super-duper custom made fent pills for the exact moment of his choosing, and the exact place. Not in his bed. Not on his sound stage or in Studio A...he was trying to punch a higher floor.

Everyone is "thrown off", intentionally. Look at some of his responses. He is denying doing anything but asking the Dr. about the symtoms of withdrawals?

Menes said:

Menes said:

Menes said:

Ah here we go> 4-25-2016 results are back. Test results show positive for opiates. Hydrocodone 253 ng/ml and hydromorphone 87ng/ml for levels. page 86. # 51. This was done @ Schulenberg's office.

*In addition , the lie Kirk made up was that he had hurt his back lifting equipment and needed something for pain relief. Page 66 # 51-52

Room #6 ( same as Prince room/green room) as is mentioned by the detectives .

In this same room, remaining 853s found (49/27)

* Tidibit, > Prince's name was changed to "Peter Vang" and Kirks name was changed to "John Pellegrino" in hospital records on the day they visited Dr. Schulenberg( per last video)

What became of the "items of interest" that were found in the dumpster?

Menes said:

Menes said:

Room #6 ( same as Prince room/green room) as is mentioned by the detectives .

In this same room, remaining 853s found (49/27)

* Tidibit, > Prince's name was changed to "Peter Vang" and Kirks name was changed to "John Pellegrino" in hospital records on the day they visited Dr. Schulenberg( per last video)

What became of the "items of interest" that were found in the dumpster?

Moline excerpts/condensed:

EMS Fredercksen account-

EMS describes pupils as very pinpointed. EMS questions KJ ans KJ replies that "sometimes Prince takes a percocet after a show".

EMs administers (2) mg dose of narcan via IV. Pretty ineffective. According to EMS ( 10 years experience), (1) mg of narcan will usually wake up a causal user of opiates. (2) mg of narcan is for heavier users.

A second (2)mg dose of narcan was given = 4 mgs total. Prince takes a large gasp and finally wakes up.Prince stated he felt "fuzzy". EMS states this is an unusual amount for casual user.

Prince arrives at hospital in Illinois.

Prince refuses EKG, blood draw and toxicology test ( Standard tests for overdoses)

Page 103-104

[Edited 6/25/18 21:22pm]

purplefam99 said:

Menes said:

Ah here we go> 4-25-2016 results are back. Test results show positive for opiates. Hydrocodone 253 ng/ml and hydromorphone 87ng/ml for levels. page 86. # 51. This was done @ Schulenberg's office.

*In addition , the lie Kirk made up was that he had hurt his back lifting equipment and needed something for pain relief. Page 66 # 51-52

So with those test results can we assume that he had not taken pills with any fent. Prior . Only hydrocodone and hydromorphone. Sounds like from feeding to feeding he wasn’t ever consistantly taking the same drug. He never knew what was what.

Except that there are so many glaring patterns of deception. I posit that there are different pills for desired effect @ differnt times.

Menes said:

purplefam99 said:

Menes said: So with those test results can we assume that he had not taken pills with any fent. Prior . Only hydrocodone and hydromorphone. Sounds like from feeding to feeding he wasn’t ever consistantly taking the same drug. He never knew what was what.

Except that there are so many glaring patterns of deception. I posit that there are different pills for desired effect @ differnt times.

I agree totally. The evidence is pointing to his extreme familiarity with and long use of opiates. I don't think it was 'luck' that kept him from injesting a fatal dose of fent while at PP (as posited in the 'Russian Roulette'...he was a lucky guy theory)...I think he knew what he was doing. And then...things unravelled because what he didn't know was how hooked he had become and how ravaged his body was...denial... I think as this reality slowly dawned after Moline...he gave up.

Menes said:

Menes said:

What became of the "items of interest" that were found in the dumpster?

Moline excerpts/condensed:

EMS Fredercksen account-

EMS describes pupils as very pinpointed. EMS questions KJ ans KJ replies that "sometimes Prince takes a percocet after a show".

EMs administers (2) mg dose of narcan via IV. Pretty ineffective. According to EMS ( 10 years experience), (1) mg of narcan will usually wake up a causal user of opiates. (2) mg of narcan is for heavier users.

A second (2)mg dose of narcan was given = 4 mgs total. Prince takes a large gasp and finally wakes up.Prince stated he felt "fuzzy". EMS states this is an unusual amount for casual user.

Prince arrives at hospital in Illinois.

Prince refuses EKG, blood draw and toxicology test ( Standard tests for overdoses)

Page 103-104

[Edited 6/25/18 21:22pm]

Quick tidbits from Kirk:

The same clothing Prince was wearing when Kirk dropped him off (2000hrs =8pm from the Dr. ), is the same clothing he was found in on the 21st...to include jacket and gloves on floor?

Kirk exclaims" I am very pissed off how he hid this so well"

Kirk claims that security camera was in place at tome point but that Prince was very self -conscious about being watched. page 126 #25

Menes said:

Menes said:

Moline excerpts/condensed:

EMS Fredercksen account-

EMS describes pupils as very pinpointed. EMS questions KJ ans KJ replies that "sometimes Prince takes a percocet after a show".

EMs administers (2) mg dose of narcan via IV. Pretty ineffective. According to EMS ( 10 years experience), (1) mg of narcan will usually wake up a causal user of opiates. (2) mg of narcan is for heavier users.

A second (2)mg dose of narcan was given = 4 mgs total. Prince takes a large gasp and finally wakes up.Prince stated he felt "fuzzy". EMS states this is an unusual amount for casual user.

Prince arrives at hospital in Illinois.

Prince refuses EKG, blood draw and toxicology test ( Standard tests for overdoses)

Page 103-104

[Edited 6/25/18 21:22pm]

Quick tidbits from Kirk:

The same clothing Prince was wearing when Kirk dropped him off (2000hrs =8pm from the Dr. ), is the same clothing he was found in on the 21st...to include jacket and gloves on floor?

Kirk exclaims" I am very pissed off how he hid this so well"

Kirk claims that security camera was in place at tome point but that Prince was very self -conscious about being watched. page 126 #25

Getting warm here:

5-31 -2016 Sgt Meier received information from BCA agent Chris Olso regarding test results of some of the pills found @ PP. The lab determined that the white oval pills stamped watson 853 in the bayer bottle, along with the white pills stamped watson 853 found in the tissue jewelry box, both tested positive for fentanyl. The lab also tested item #82 which was identified as a plastic baggie located in the dumpster of PP. The results of tha tests indicated the presence of MDMA(ecstacy). These were only preliminary findings. page 149 #148-149

Menes said:

Menes said:

Quick tidbits from Kirk:

The same clothing Prince was wearing when Kirk dropped him off (2000hrs =8pm from the Dr. ), is the same clothing he was found in on the 21st...to include jacket and gloves on floor?

Kirk exclaims" I am very pissed off how he hid this so well"

Kirk claims that security camera was in place at tome point but that Prince was very self -conscious about being watched. page 126 #25

Getting warm here:

5-31 -2016 Sgt Meier received information from BCA agent Chris Olso regarding test results of some of the pills found @ PP. The lab determined that the white oval pills stamped watson 853 in the bayer bottle, along with the white pills stamped watson 853 found in the tissue jewelry box, both tested positive for fentanyl. The lab also tested item #82 which was identified as a plastic baggie located in the dumpster of PP. The results of tha tests indicated the presence of MDMA(ecstacy). These were only preliminary findings. page 149 #148-149

I think we can put that "he didn't know" /"it was just one pill" theory to bed now. This is not a new batch that was fetched with the new and improved "deadly"fentanyl in it. He is feeding off of the same batch, people. Sorry, so far, I see know evidence of ignorance at work here.

Menes said:

Menes said:

Getting warm here:

5-31 -2016 Sgt Meier received information from BCA agent Chris Olso regarding test results of some of the pills found @ PP. The lab determined that the white oval pills stamped watson 853 in the bayer bottle, along with the white pills stamped watson 853 found in the tissue jewelry box, both tested positive for fentanyl. The lab also tested item #82 which was identified as a plastic baggie located in the dumpster of PP. The results of tha tests indicated the presence of MDMA(ecstacy). These were only preliminary findings. page 149 #148-149

I think we can put that "he didn't know" /"it was just one pill" theory to bed now. This is not a new batch that was fetched with the new and improved "deadly"fentanyl in it. He is feeding off of the same batch, people. Sorry, so far, I see know evidence of ignorance at work here.

To be continued. Good night.

Menes said:

Menes said:

I think we can put that "he didn't know" /"it was just one pill" theory to bed now. This is not a new batch that was fetched with the new and improved "deadly"fentanyl in it. He is feeding off of the same batch, people. Sorry, so far, I see know evidence of ignorance at work here.

To be continued. Good night.

SWEET DREAMS!!!

PennyPurple said:

disch said:

the issue wasn't that stuff was deleted off the laptop's hard drive (the investigators brought in a forensic expert to retrieve all that). It was that someone logged on via the laptop to Prince's gmail account and deleted nearly all his emails, and by the time the investigators addressed it, Google was unable to retrieve the emails from their servers.

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I still can't understand how Google couldn't retrieve those messages.

Thought i read something about the servers being overseas and the warrants don't cover overseas and had been wiped off already.

[Edited 6/26/18 2:59am]

Menes said:

Menes said:

Quick tidbits from Kirk:

The same clothing Prince was wearing when Kirk dropped him off (2000hrs =8pm from the Dr. ), is the same clothing he was found in on the 21st...to include jacket and gloves on floor?

Kirk exclaims" I am very pissed off how he hid this so well"

Kirk claims that security camera was in place at tome point but that Prince was very self -conscious about being watched. page 126 #25

Getting warm here:

5-31 -2016 Sgt Meier received information from BCA agent Chris Olso regarding test results of some of the pills found @ PP. The lab determined that the white oval pills stamped watson 853 in the bayer bottle, along with the white pills stamped watson 853 found in the tissue jewelry box, both tested positive for fentanyl. The lab also tested item #82 which was identified as a plastic baggie located in the dumpster of PP. The results of tha tests indicated the presence of MDMA(ecstacy). These were only preliminary findings. page 149 #148-149

Ecstacy? Really? Crap..

A syringe was also found, but I do not remember where.

Menes said:

Menes said:

Getting warm here:

5-31 -2016 Sgt Meier received information from BCA agent Chris Olso regarding test results of some of the pills found @ PP. The lab determined that the white oval pills stamped watson 853 in the bayer bottle, along with the white pills stamped watson 853 found in the tissue jewelry box, both tested positive for fentanyl. The lab also tested item #82 which was identified as a plastic baggie located in the dumpster of PP. The results of tha tests indicated the presence of MDMA(ecstacy). These were only preliminary findings. page 149 #148-149

I think we can put that "he didn't know" /"it was just one pill" theory to bed now. This is not a new batch that was fetched with the new and improved "deadly"fentanyl in it. He is feeding off of the same batch, people. Sorry, so far, I see know evidence of ignorance at work here.

What was in the Aleve bottle? How did that test?

Menes said:

kmama07 said:

Menes said:

I think we can put that "he didn't know" /"it was just one pill" theory to bed now. This is not a new batch that was fetched with the new and improved "deadly"fentanyl in it. He is feeding off of the same batch, people. Sorry, so far, I see know evidence of ignorance at work here.

Just throwing this out here then: So do you think: A). Family/friends are fully aware how big problem was and are/were covering up due to his image/privacy concerns ? B). Intent was there (by his own hand). Those who found him also found evidence to prove that and made sure authorities did not ? C). Intent wasn't necessarily there but he had been feeding for so long with different doses/combos he just overdid it (no intent) and it cost him his life? I honestly don't know,anymore. Either way it sucks balls.

Well KJ did tell the LE officer that he was reaching out to people I assume his past associates and nobody would tell him anything. And we have heard rumors that frantic phone calls were being made to figure out how to handle this. All they were wanting was guidance, people weren't willing to admit he had a problem. We know they reached out to Hazelton. We know KJ tried to help him by taking him to his own Dr.

I'm kinda leaning towards it kinda took KJ by surprise when he started to put it all together after Moline. By KJ's own comments he knew P had a problem with this before.

Meron, didn't know anything, about him using or his past history, until they started trying to get P help. I don't want to insult the girl, so I'll just leave it at that.

Now the next question is how did he get them? By the looks of the cars in the garage he didn't take one of them out. He rode his bike, but like Menes said after Moline all eyes were on him, so I agree he already had those pills.

If we can find out what was in the Aleve bottle and if none of those had fentanyl, then he did seperate them and he did know about the fentanyl.

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

kmama07 said:

Menes said: Just throwing this out here then: So do you think: A). Family/friends are fully aware how big problem was and are/were covering up due to his image/privacy concerns ? B). Intent was there (by his own hand). Those who found him also found evidence to prove that and made sure authorities did not ? C). Intent wasn't necessarily there but he had been feeding for so long with different doses/combos he just overdid it (no intent) and it cost him his life? I honestly don't know,anymore. Either way it sucks balls.

Well KJ did tell the LE officer that he was reaching out to people I assume his past associates and nobody would tell him anything. And we have heard rumors that frantic phone calls were being made to figure out how to handle this. All they were wanting was guidance, people weren't willing to admit he had a problem. We know they reached out to Hazelton. We know KJ tried to help him by taking him to his own Dr.

I'm kinda leaning towards it kinda took KJ by surprise when he started to put it all together after Moline. By KJ's own comments he knew P had a problem with this before.

Meron, didn't know anything, about him using or his past history, until they started trying to get P help. I don't want to insult the girl, so I'll just leave it at that.

Now the next question is how did he get them? By the looks of the cars in the garage he didn't take one of them out. He rode his bike, but like Menes said after Moline all eyes were on him, so I agree he already had those pills.

If we can find out what was in the Aleve bottle and if none of those had fentanyl, then he did seperate them and he did know about the fentanyl.

That's my opinion for a while now. See reply #143:

"Re Prince's comment to JH about sleeping a lot lately, or more than usual, and nearly falling sleep on stage at some point, and dreamig a lot, etc, which was very unusual for him (the sleep), and the dozing off on the plane, etc:

Was reading that Rolling Stone interview (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/music-fentanyl-opioid-crisis-drug-killed-prince-tom-petty-w521674) and came across this comment, which suddenly made a lot of sense:

*

"On tour in Florida a few years ago, singer-songwriter Todd Snider was looking for OxyContin to help with shoulder and back pain. The dealer didn’t have any, but did give him a fentanyl patch and lollipop. Snider immediately felt the difference. “All the other drugs wake me up,” he says, “but this one knocked me out.” He vowed to never use it again. “I really did get lucky,” he says. “I dodged that one.”

Perhaps Prince WAS taking fentanyl already for a while, but in small doses, and did not know it, cause they were illegal drugs laced with the substance."

kmama07 said:

PennyPurple said:

Well KJ did tell the LE officer that he was reaching out to people I assume his past associates and nobody would tell him anything. And we have heard rumors that frantic phone calls were being made to figure out how to handle this. All they were wanting was guidance, people weren't willing to admit he had a problem. We know they reached out to Hazelton. We know KJ tried to help him by taking him to his own Dr.

I'm kinda leaning towards it kinda took KJ by surprise when he started to put it all together after Moline. By KJ's own comments he knew P had a problem with this before.

Meron, didn't know anything, about him using or his past history, until they started trying to get P help. I don't want to insult the girl, so I'll just leave it at that.

Now the next question is how did he get them? By the looks of the cars in the garage he didn't take one of them out. He rode his bike, but like Menes said after Moline all eyes were on him, so I agree he already had those pills.

If we can find out what was in the Aleve bottle and if none of those had fentanyl, then he did seperate them and he did know about the fentanyl.

I'll throw another wrench in (and I'm not a conspiracy theorist, just a thought) Was KJ in fact truly just putting this all together for the first time after Moline incident? Or was he trying to cover himself due to the fact he procured the percocets from his dentist for Prince...or a little of both? And ya, I can't wrap my head around anything regarding Meron. [Edited 6/26/18 6:08am]

No, KJ came clean and he also spoke with the dentist and Dr. S. and apologized to them for doing that.

MMJas said:

PennyPurple said:

Well KJ did tell the LE officer that he was reaching out to people I assume his past associates and nobody would tell him anything. And we have heard rumors that frantic phone calls were being made to figure out how to handle this. All they were wanting was guidance, people weren't willing to admit he had a problem. We know they reached out to Hazelton. We know KJ tried to help him by taking him to his own Dr.

I'm kinda leaning towards it kinda took KJ by surprise when he started to put it all together after Moline. By KJ's own comments he knew P had a problem with this before.

Meron, didn't know anything, about him using or his past history, until they started trying to get P help. I don't want to insult the girl, so I'll just leave it at that.

Now the next question is how did he get them? By the looks of the cars in the garage he didn't take one of them out. He rode his bike, but like Menes said after Moline all eyes were on him, so I agree he already had those pills.

If we can find out what was in the Aleve bottle and if none of those had fentanyl, then he did seperate them and he did know about the fentanyl.

That's my opinion for a while now. See reply #143:

"Re Prince's comment to JH about sleeping a lot lately, or more than usual, and nearly falling sleep on stage at some point, and dreamig a lot, etc, which was very unusual for him (the sleep), and the dozing off on the plane, etc:

Was reading that Rolling Stone interview (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/music-fentanyl-opioid-crisis-drug-killed-prince-tom-petty-w521674) and came across this comment, which suddenly made a lot of sense:

*

"On tour in Florida a few years ago, singer-songwriter Todd Snider was looking for OxyContin to help with shoulder and back pain. The dealer didn’t have any, but did give him a fentanyl patch and lollipop. Snider immediately felt the difference. “All the other drugs wake me up,” he says, “but this one knocked me out.” He vowed to never use it again. “I really did get lucky,” he says. “I dodged that one.”

Perhaps Prince WAS taking fentanyl already for a while, but in small doses, and did not know it, cause they were illegal drugs laced with the substance."

I'm kinda leaning towards he knew it was fentanyl.

PennyPurple said:

PennyPurple said:

MMJas said:

PennyPurple said:

Well KJ did tell the LE officer that he was reaching out to people I assume his past associates and nobody would tell him anything. And we have heard rumors that frantic phone calls were being made to figure out how to handle this. All they were wanting was guidance, people weren't willing to admit he had a problem. We know they reached out to Hazelton. We know KJ tried to help him by taking him to his own Dr.

I'm kinda leaning towards it kinda took KJ by surprise when he started to put it all together after Moline. By KJ's own comments he knew P had a problem with this before.

Meron, didn't know anything, about him using or his past history, until they started trying to get P help. I don't want to insult the girl, so I'll just leave it at that.

Now the next question is how did he get them? By the looks of the cars in the garage he didn't take one of them out. He rode his bike, but like Menes said after Moline all eyes were on him, so I agree he already had those pills.

If we can find out what was in the Aleve bottle and if none of those had fentanyl, then he did seperate them and he did know about the fentanyl.

That's my opinion for a while now. See reply #143:

"Re Prince's comment to JH about sleeping a lot lately, or more than usual, and nearly falling sleep on stage at some point, and dreamig a lot, etc, which was very unusual for him (the sleep), and the dozing off on the plane, etc:

Was reading that Rolling Stone interview (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/music-fentanyl-opioid-crisis-drug-killed-prince-tom-petty-w521674) and came across this comment, which suddenly made a lot of sense:

*

"On tour in Florida a few years ago, singer-songwriter Todd Snider was looking for OxyContin to help with shoulder and back pain. The dealer didn’t have any, but did give him a fentanyl patch and lollipop. Snider immediately felt the difference. “All the other drugs wake me up,” he says, “but this one knocked me out.” He vowed to never use it again. “I really did get lucky,” he says. “I dodged that one.”

Perhaps Prince WAS taking fentanyl already for a while, but in small doses, and did not know it, cause they were illegal drugs laced with the substance."

This is what I believe!. I believe he knew those pills were stronger. But didn't exactly know they were laced with fentanyl. Also I believe he didn't have those pills for a very long time or he would have overdosed a long time ago besides the Moline incident.. They were used only as his back up secret pills that he used as cocktails with others as needed. Which is why he cleared PP out to a select few and away from his "cozy" bedroom.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

This is what I believe!. I believe he knew those pills were stronger. But didn't exactly know they were laced with fentanyl. Also I believe he didn't have those pills for a very long time or he would have overdosed a long time ago besides the Moline incident.. They were used only as his back up secret pills that he used as cocktails with others as needed. Which is why he cleared PP out to a select few and away from his "cozy" bedroom.

He did have several over doses, I believe there was one in 2013 where people actually thought he died and fans started to wear their Prince shirts, but he came out of that one.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

The question is, why start on the fentanyl? Short answer, the codene had probably stopped working?? Because of the tolerance factor. Those pills KJ got for him wasn't cutting it.

Was he asking for help to throw KJ off the trail, and really never wanted the help?

OR, he was saving his super-duper custom made fent pills for the exact moment of his choosing, and the exact place. Not in his bed. Not on his sound stage or in Studio A...he was trying to punch a higher floor.

You may be right Bodi. He must have had some reason for his super secret stash wrapped in tissue in his jewelry box - I'm assuming he was the only one who would have access to such personal stuff. There could be many reasons why he would stash just these pills in such a secretive way - maybe as you say, to choose his own time/place. Maybe just like any addict, to have a 'just in case' stash, especially if he was thinking of detoxing. I am ashamed to say that I've done the same thing myself when I've tried to quit smoking - stow just a couple in the glove box of my car or some such stupid thing "just in case". The brain wants what the brain wants when you're addicted to something, even nicotine, despite the full knowledge of the damage it's doing.

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I've been doing a bit more reading on Narcan and fentanyl. Since the overdose in Moline took place on April 15th, just 6 days before his death, I can now see that he would have been feeling very sick indeed during that time. If he was as intolerant of the distressing symptoms of withdrawal as most addicts are, he might have gone straight back to dosing himself (maybe even more than usual, to counteract the withdrawals?).

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When someone is revived with naloxone (Narcan), addiction symptoms — primarily withdrawal symptoms — are unavoidable. In order to reverse an overdose, Narcan cancels out the effects of opioid drugs. While it is necessary to save someone’s life, Narcan plunges the body into immediate withdrawal. Common side effects of Narcan use mirror those of severe opioid withdrawal, and include: Body aches, Fever, Sweating, A runny nose, Sneezing, Yawning, Diarrhea, Increased heart rate, Goosebumps, Nausea, Vomiting, Nervousness, Restlessness, Irritability, Abdominal cramping, Increased blood pressure, Weakness.

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A 2 mg dosage of the drug might not be sufficient for a long-term user who takes a high dosage of opioids. While naloxone can save someone’s life during an overdose, it is not a cure for opioid addiction. Once a person suffering from opioid addiction has been treated with Narcan for an overdose, they are still addicted to opioids. Narcan reverses opioid overdoses and saves lives, but it does not cure drug addiction. A number of people who are treated with naloxone in an emergency room after an overdose will die from a second, third or fourth overdose within a year.

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With respect to Fentanyl and how difficult it is to track down the dealers/producers: The DEA estimates that drug traffickers can buy a kilogram of fentanyl powder for $3,300 and sell it on the streets for more than 300 times that, generating nearly a million dollars. Fentanyl is often trafficked through the cartels' standard maze of routes through Mexico and into the U.S. But sometimes it's simply ordered on the notorious dark web and shows up straight from China in the buyer's mailbox (sometimes called China White or China Girl).

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The pills are often labeled as various well-known pharmaceutical drugs. They look like perfect replicas of the real deal. None was labeled as fentanyl, but that is what most of them actually were. "Just one could kill you," "We have to test them. We can no longer rely on the database and our naked eye." "Addicts are migrating to fentanyl”. "They are driven to it because it's a quicker, bigger high. Yet it is something that you don't recover from when you get that super-high and it can kill in as little as 2 minutes”.

Can I just say that no matter how toxic the pill, it is not possible to swallow it and then suddenly die. It can take anything from 15 to 30 minutes for the most soluble and easily metabolized pills to take effect. Even Fentanyl lozengers which are digested both through the membranes in the mouth and through the digestive system do not take effect for up to an hour (depending on stomach contents, metabolism etc). So all those folks working on the logic that the pills must have been close to the elevator are incorrect. he could have taken the pill, wandered downstairs to get something, had a cup of tea and then as the effects were kicking in decided to head back upstairs to his bedroom.

It is true that the high levels of fentanyl would mean the transition from feeling normal to being in deep shit would be very rapid, but the pill still needs to go through the digestive system and then get metabolized in the liver before that sudden onset.

Prince took that pill and had a little bit of time to do stuff before the shit hit the fan. Once the fent kicked in, I doubt he had much time to even consider what was happening if the levels of fent are to be believed. But he did have time to walk around whilst it was being digested.

Rebeljuice said:

Can I just say that no matter how toxic the pill, it is not possible to swallow it and then suddenly die. It can take anything from 15 to 30 minutes for the most soluble and easily metabolized pills to take effect. Even Fentanyl lozengers which are digested both through the membranes in the mouth and through the digestive system do not take effect for up to an hour (depending on stomach contents, metabolism etc). So all those folks working on the logic that the pills must have been close to the elevator are incorrect. he could have taken the pill, wandered downstairs to get something, had a cup of tea and then as the effects were kicking in decided to head back upstairs to his bedroom.

It is true that the high levels of fentanyl would mean the transition from feeling normal to being in deep shit would be very rapid, but the pill still needs to go through the digestive system and then get metabolized in the liver before that sudden onset.

Prince took that pill and had a little bit of time to do stuff before the shit hit the fan. Once the fent kicked in, I doubt he had much time to even consider what was happening if the levels of fent are to be believed. But he did have time to walk around whilst it was being digested.

That's basically what Mene's said, that it wasn't instant.