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Reply #180 posted 11/05/17 6:41pm

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per Forbes:

Watson 385 is no longer sold in pharmacies.


Watson Pharmaceuticals no longer exists. Watson changed its name to Actavis Generics in 2013.

Actavis then purchased Allergan AGN -0.26% in November 2014 which was subsequently purchased by the generic drug giant Teva Pharmaceuticals in a deal that just closed last week.

A query is pending with the global media director of Teva Pharmaceuticals as to whether the company is aware of counterfeits of this discontinued product.



https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2016/08/22/princes-death-from-fentanyl-may-have-been-due-to-counterfeit-generic-drugs/2/#7d037087fd68

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Reply #181 posted 11/05/17 6:45pm

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Menes said:

morningsong said:



According to the warrant there were a lot of the counterfeit pills. According to the media many of the counterfeit pills were tested and were found with high concentrations of fentanyl. The difference between the 2 reports is the actual number stamped on the pills. No media report has printed a retraction.


From a Billboard article:




One pill with the "Watson 385" stamp that was analyzed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension tested positive for fentanyl, lidocaine and another drug.

Officials found nearly two dozen pills similar to the one that was tested, the official said.

Another aspirin bottle had 64 counterfeit tablets in it. Some pills that were analyzed contained fentanyl, lidocaine and U-4770 -- a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine.



Obviously this is the article that misprinted the U-47700 and must have later corrected their mistake

Search warrant states (15) Watson853 found in 2nd flr dressing room. (64-1/2) Watson853 found in Bayer bottle. (20-1/2) Watson853 in an Aleve bottle

Just to be clear, the point of the thread was to disregard all tabloid information and focus soley on the facts in the warrants . In addition, we use those facts to compile additonal information relevant to what is written in the warrants. I've posted numerous links in this thread where tabloid and news agencies misquoted the facts in the warrants. That is not what we are doing here.



Fair enough, but I do see information used that was only provided by the media. So if only the search warrant info is being used then nothing from the media should be used since most outside of Vanity Fair have repeated that it was Watson385.

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Reply #182 posted 11/05/17 7:01pm

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morningsong said:

Menes said:

Just to be clear, the point of the thread was to disregard all tabloid information and focus soley on the facts in the warrants . In addition, we use those facts to compile additonal information relevant to what is written in the warrants. I've posted numerous links in this thread where tabloid and news agencies misquoted the facts in the warrants. That is not what we are doing here.



Fair enough, but I do see information used that was only provided by the media. So if only the search warrant info is being used then nothing from the media should be used since most outside of Vanity Fair have repeated that it was Watson385.

It's not that all of the information provided by the media is false, but there was/is information that was erroneous that we were led to believe was accurate. I think reply #122 in the thread is a good example to show the numerous errors. Those errors also led to the reason people believed that whatever was leaked( from some of the same erroneous reporting) was true.

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Reply #183 posted 11/05/17 7:08pm

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Menes said:

morningsong said:



Fair enough, but I do see information used that was only provided by the media. So if only the search warrant info is being used then nothing from the media should be used since most outside of Vanity Fair have repeated that it was Watson385.

It's not that all of the information provided by the media is false, but there was/is information that was erroneous that we were led to believe was accurate. I think reply #122 in the thread is a good example to show the numerous errors. Those errors also led to the reason people believed that whatever was leaked( from some of the same erroneous reporting) was true.



I agree with you but outside of "385", what is false and what is true?

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Reply #184 posted 11/05/17 7:12pm

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Strawberrylova123 said:

laurarichardson said: No laura your the one who never has common sense and your the one who is following your own narrative, post proof that prince had a terminal illness.

We have what Tyka is telling us now not once but twice. We have loads of stitutions that point to it and it is all been mentioned on this board a million times. We have more evidence that he was ill then we do that he was some life long pill head and the lack of evidence for that is nonexistent but that does not stop people from believing it.

We have no proof at all that he refused to go to rehab due to pride or embarrassment but people have made up this senerio. I am sure that if Tyka writes a book or continues to do interviews we will find out and then we will see how common sense was not used

Oh I forgt to mention that only superman could consume massive quatnties of pain pills and not have any effect on their organs and over all health but the lack of common sense can take you on that type of journey. You know Prince was superhuman and would never ever have a sickness or illness.

so I'll delete my comment since we're only discussing what was in the warrant.

[Edited 11/5/17 19:21pm]

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Reply #185 posted 11/05/17 7:36pm

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Menes said:

morningsong said:



According to the warrant there were a lot of the counterfeit pills. According to the media many of the counterfeit pills were tested and were found with high concentrations of fentanyl. The difference between the 2 reports is the actual number stamped on the pills. No media report has printed a retraction.


From a Billboard article:

One pill with the "Watson 385" stamp that was analyzed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension tested positive for fentanyl, lidocaine and another drug.

Officials found nearly two dozen pills similar to the one that was tested, the official said.

Another aspirin bottle had 64 counterfeit tablets in it. Some pills that were analyzed contained fentanyl, lidocaine and U-4770 -- a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine.



Obviously this is the article that misprinted the U-47700 and must have later corrected their mistake

Search warrant states (15) Watson853 found in 2nd flr dressing room. (64-1/2) Watson853 found in Bayer bottle. (20-1/2) Watson853 in an Aleve bottle

Just to be clear, the point of the thread was to disregard all tabloid information and focus soley on the facts in the warrants . In addition, we use those facts to compile additonal information relevant to what is written in the warrants. I've posted numerous links in this thread where tabloid and news agencies misquoted the facts in the warrants. That is not what we are doing here.

I would only believe what the warrants say. The media gets things wrong all the time.

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Reply #186 posted 11/05/17 7:41pm

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Menes said:

Just wanted to say that I took away for these reports (coupled wth some other reports that I have) a strong sense of pain that was undeniable, and in no uncertaing terms , pointing to the end of the road.

The "don't ask, dont tell" choir is quite apparent and is indicative of the type of person he was.

There is one central figure in this story (besides Prince)whom the investigators certainly focused on very early on.

I do not believe that the amount of pills found are an indication of relief for merely "hip pain" or, that they soley represent addiction . Rather, that there was a more serious underlying illness, coupled with other ailments that compounded the problem of addiction. This cascading narrative inevitably was going to lead to a full disclosure of everything that was once guarded and impenetrable.

Accidental or not, I don't think he was in a very good space regardless of what he had planned for the future and he knew that.


For your records:


In Re: The Investigation into the Death of Prince Rogers Nelson

So I want to make sure that I'm complying with staying on topic, are we only discussing what is in the warrants; or is it okay to give our opinions about what we take away from the warrants?

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Reply #187 posted 11/05/17 7:43pm

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Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

Menes said: —The is interesting as this means he had the Suboxne already before Andrew came and I wondered on this board why he did not just get some to ween himself off which I now think he was trying to do. Perhaps withdrawing on an outpatient basis while dealing with other issues. It is the only thing that explains how he was able to get around. [Edited 11/3/17 16:43pm]

Let's keep in mind that even with the ondanestron, there was no prescription for it. Let's think about that for a second. Zofran is not in the least bit a popular drug on the street that dealers are distributing. If you don't have a prescription for that, you either have access to a pill mill (domestic or foreign), or, have someone on the inside to get it for you ( as in a doctor or pharmacist).

A lot of these drugs may not have been bought from "off the street". Just look at the way that bottle ended up in Kirk's name yet , with no prescription. It is as if someone intentionally orchestrated that.

Maybe I misread but pretty sure the warrant indicates that their was a pill bottle from CVS for this medication prescribed to Kirk Johnson. Yeah right underneath the Bayer bottle notation.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2017/images/04/17/prince.search.warrant.pdf

[Edited 11/5/17 19:45pm]

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Reply #188 posted 11/05/17 7:57pm

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Menes said:

Menes said:

Something of note. In all of the search warrant documents, there is not one mention of any pills labeled "fentanyl" found on the property.

The questions for me during examination of the contents , were whether or not any of the pills that were found could produce the effect of fentanyl, and result in death. I also wanted to know whether such a pill was found in abundance.


That lead me to double back and take a hard look at the poison pill theory ( as in a single pill that was laced with levels of fentanyl that would produce toxicity).


Now, each of these pills have assigned "street names" that mirror the actual drug. This is important because it may run parallel to when the pills showed up on the streets with said names.


As I examine all of the pills that were taken into custody , I am starting to get a clearer picture of whether pain management was the goal , or was it to feed an addiction. The lines are heavily blurred but it's worth the research.

As an example, the pills that were found with the imprint "194" could be mistaken for acetaminophen and oxycodone hydrochloride 325mg/10mg(street percocet) if they were yellow in color. However, the pills taken into custody are green . The warrant will not explain the significance of that. What is so important about that? Well, that "green " pill was found in a Vitamin D bottle. That green pill with the imprint "194" is actually Vitamin D 50,000 USP units or (ergocalciferol 1.25 mg) This is not a controlled substance. It is supplied by Paddock Industries.

So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?

In summary, I can say that the more I research about the combination of pills , their specific chemical properties and usage , the more I realize how methodical and disciplined of a person it took to put it all together.


In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

"One (1) orange pill with the inscription #8".

1.This pill appears to be buprenorphine ( a scheduled III substance). It is pirmarily used to treat withdrawals from opiod addiction, but is also used to reduce pain and produce feelings of well being as it binds with the opioid receptors.

2. The brand name for buprenorphine is Subutex.

3. Suboxone is the commercial name for Buprenorphine when combined with Naloxone.

4. Andrew Kornfeld brought Buprenorphine with him for his scheduled visit with Prince on 4-20-16.

Though procured illegally, I think we can ascertain that on its own , or in interaction with the other substances, it is unlikely that this produced lethal toxicity.


Short Summary



So far, we have what appeaear to be the following: A substantial need to increas Vitamain D intake: Which may be the result of a host of issues , to include, but not limited to; dietary inadequacy, impaired absorption and use, increased requirement, limited sun light exposure, kidneys that cannot convert it , digestive tract is inadequate ,and the all of the other things that many of you (LR, Stlmuziqlvr,Dibblekins, Penny) mentioned previously.

I wanted to add that there is precedent and correlation for us to assume that inadequate Vitamin D levels is linked to the amount of narcotic medication for those with chronic pain who are ingesting opioids as they are seeking relief from certain cancer types.

* For your records.

Low Vitamin D Levels Are ...ose in ...



Buprenorphine: A New Treatment Option for Opioid Addiction

Buprenorphine Safety, Adverse Reactions, and Drug Interactions












Vitamin D deficiency is very prevalent and not necessarily related to another underlying health condition.

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/4/1126.full

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4018438/

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Reply #189 posted 11/05/17 8:27pm

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True. Kirk's name was on the script for ondanestron and the script for Vitamin D both from CVS.

And there were no scripts found from Walgreen's

Asenath0607 said:

Menes said:

Let's keep in mind that even with the ondanestron, there was no prescription for it. Let's think about that for a second. Zofran is not in the least bit a popular drug on the street that dealers are distributing. If you don't have a prescription for that, you either have access to a pill mill (domestic or foreign), or, have someone on the inside to get it for you ( as in a doctor or pharmacist).

A lot of these drugs may not have been bought from "off the street". Just look at the way that bottle ended up in Kirk's name yet , with no prescription. It is as if someone intentionally orchestrated that.

Maybe I misread but pretty sure the warrant indicates that their was a pill bottle from CVS for this medication prescribed to Kirk Johnson. Yeah right underneath the Bayer bottle notation.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2017/images/04/17/prince.search.warrant.pdf

[Edited 11/5/17 19:45pm]

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Reply #190 posted 11/05/17 8:31pm

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Asenath0607 said:

Menes said:

Just wanted to say that I took away for these reports (coupled wth some other reports that I have) a strong sense of pain that was undeniable, and in no uncertaing terms , pointing to the end of the road.

The "don't ask, dont tell" choir is quite apparent and is indicative of the type of person he was.

There is one central figure in this story (besides Prince)whom the investigators certainly focused on very early on.

I do not believe that the amount of pills found are an indication of relief for merely "hip pain" or, that they soley represent addiction . Rather, that there was a more serious underlying illness, coupled with other ailments that compounded the problem of addiction. This cascading narrative inevitably was going to lead to a full disclosure of everything that was once guarded and impenetrable.

Accidental or not, I don't think he was in a very good space regardless of what he had planned for the future and he knew that.


For your records:


In Re: The Investigation into the Death of Prince Rogers Nelson

So I want to make sure that I'm complying with staying on topic, are we only discussing what is in the warrants; or is it okay to give our opinions about what we take away from the warrants?

Absolutely we should discuss our opinions, speculations, conjecture , assumptions , theories, hypothesis and anything else we can think of that would help to explain what happened. Point being ,we have the actual documents (warrants)and no longer need to depend on second hand information. Our discussion within the confines of the warrants , is ours, and not those of the Star Tribune, NY times, Billboard, AP, etc.

If I have projected anything else, that was/is not the intent of the thread.

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Reply #191 posted 11/05/17 11:44pm

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People keep asking about WalGreens.


A Prescription Monitoring Warrant was issued as a part of this investigation. The results of that search warrant have shown that Prince was not prescribed any of the controlled substances located in the residence.

Your Affiant has learned through this investigation that Kirk Johnson was known to have contacted a Minnesota doctor, Dr. Schulenberg, to help Prince with regards to hip pain. Dr. Schulenberg met with Prince and prescribed him Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam.

On 4/20/2016, Johnson went to Walgreen’s in Minnetonka, located at 4950 Co Rd 101, and picked up Prince’s prescription medication. Johnson told Investigators this was the first time he had ever done something like that for Prince.

During a search warrant executed at Paisley Park on 4/21/2016 (the day Prince was found deceased), a suitcase was found in Prince’s bedroom next to his bed. Among the items inside that suitcase were prescription pill bottles in the name of Johnson.

A closer examination of those pill bottles revealed that not all the pills inside the containers were the pills listed on the prescription.

One of the pill bottles, a Vitamin D bottle, was found to contain the controlled substance Ondanselron Hydrochloride.

A second prescription bottle, said to contain Ondansetron, was found to contain the controlled substance Acetarninophen/oxycodone hydrochloride.

The date those medications were prescribed to Johnson, according to the pill bottles, was 4/7/2016. The medications were prescribed by Dr. Schulenberg.




Not sure what it means. The earlier warrants say that a few prescriptions were in Kirk's name. Like the one above. The later ones say Kirk had only one prescription in his name. Like the one below.



On Monday, 05-09-16 I learned that Sgt. Meier had received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel from the Midwest Medical Examiner’s Office.

In speaking to Dr. Strobel, we learned that the results from Prince’s toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic Fentanyl in his system.

Your affiant along with the DEA conducted a Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program warrant and learned that Prince Rogers Nelson had no prescriptions issued to him and that Kirk Johnson had only one, Oxycodone which was prescribed on 04-14-16 by Dr. Michael Schulenberg, the same doctor who was at the scene of Paisley Park on 04-21-16 when deputies arrived and the same doctor who admitted in a statement to Detective Chris Nelson that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy.

[Edited 11/5/17 23:46pm]

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Reply #192 posted 11/05/17 11:53pm

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morningsong said:

People keep asking about WalGreens.


A Prescription Monitoring Warrant was issued as a part of this investigation. The results of that search warrant have shown that Prince was not prescribed any of the controlled substances located in the residence.

Your Affiant has learned through this investigation that Kirk Johnson was known to have contacted a Minnesota doctor, Dr. Schulenberg, to help Prince with regards to hip pain. Dr. Schulenberg met with Prince and prescribed him Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam.

On 4/20/2016, Johnson went to Walgreen’s in Minnetonka, located at 4950 Co Rd 101, and picked up Prince’s prescription medication. Johnson told Investigators this was the first time he had ever done something like that for Prince.

During a search warrant executed at Paisley Park on 4/21/2016 (the day Prince was found deceased), a suitcase was found in Prince’s bedroom next to his bed. Among the items inside that suitcase were prescription pill bottles in the name of Johnson.

A closer examination of those pill bottles revealed that not all the pills inside the containers were the pills listed on the prescription.

One of the pill bottles, a Vitamin D bottle, was found to contain the controlled substance Ondanselron Hydrochloride.

A second prescription bottle, said to contain Ondansetron, was found to contain the controlled substance Acetarninophen/oxycodone hydrochloride.

The date those medications were prescribed to Johnson, according to the pill bottles, was 4/7/2016. The medications were prescribed by Dr. Schulenberg.




Not sure what it means. The earlier warrants say that a few prescriptions were in Kirk's name. Like the one above. The later ones say Kirk had only one prescription in his name. Like the one below.



On Monday, 05-09-16 I learned that Sgt. Meier had received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel from the Midwest Medical Examiner’s Office.

In speaking to Dr. Strobel, we learned that the results from Prince’s toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic Fentanyl in his system.

Your affiant along with the DEA conducted a Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program warrant and learned that Prince Rogers Nelson had no prescriptions issued to him and that Kirk Johnson had only one, Oxycodone which was prescribed on 04-14-16 by Dr. Michael Schulenberg, the same doctor who was at the scene of Paisley Park on 04-21-16 when deputies arrived and the same doctor who admitted in a statement to Detective Chris Nelson that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy.

[Edited 11/5/17 23:46pm]



What's odd is that even though it was said there were prescriptions picked up at Walgreens, there wasn't any mention of Walgreens on the pill bottles found at PP. They were CVS bottles... So if Kirk picked up his (Prince's) prescription medication at Walgreens, where are the pill bottles from Walgreens? Where were those prescriptions?




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Reply #193 posted 11/06/17 12:00am

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Mumio said:

morningsong said:

People keep asking about WalGreens.


A Prescription Monitoring Warrant was issued as a part of this investigation. The results of that search warrant have shown that Prince was not prescribed any of the controlled substances located in the residence.

Your Affiant has learned through this investigation that Kirk Johnson was known to have contacted a Minnesota doctor, Dr. Schulenberg, to help Prince with regards to hip pain. Dr. Schulenberg met with Prince and prescribed him Clonidine, Hydroxyzine Pamoate and Diazepam.

On 4/20/2016, Johnson went to Walgreen’s in Minnetonka, located at 4950 Co Rd 101, and picked up Prince’s prescription medication. Johnson told Investigators this was the first time he had ever done something like that for Prince.

During a search warrant executed at Paisley Park on 4/21/2016 (the day Prince was found deceased), a suitcase was found in Prince’s bedroom next to his bed. Among the items inside that suitcase were prescription pill bottles in the name of Johnson.

A closer examination of those pill bottles revealed that not all the pills inside the containers were the pills listed on the prescription.

One of the pill bottles, a Vitamin D bottle, was found to contain the controlled substance Ondanselron Hydrochloride.

A second prescription bottle, said to contain Ondansetron, was found to contain the controlled substance Acetarninophen/oxycodone hydrochloride.

The date those medications were prescribed to Johnson, according to the pill bottles, was 4/7/2016. The medications were prescribed by Dr. Schulenberg.




Not sure what it means. The earlier warrants say that a few prescriptions were in Kirk's name. Like the one above. The later ones say Kirk had only one prescription in his name. Like the one below.



On Monday, 05-09-16 I learned that Sgt. Meier had received a phone call from Dr. Quin Strobel from the Midwest Medical Examiner’s Office.

In speaking to Dr. Strobel, we learned that the results from Prince’s toxicology screening showed Prince had a lethal dose of the narcotic Fentanyl in his system.

Your affiant along with the DEA conducted a Minnesota Prescription Monitoring Program warrant and learned that Prince Rogers Nelson had no prescriptions issued to him and that Kirk Johnson had only one, Oxycodone which was prescribed on 04-14-16 by Dr. Michael Schulenberg, the same doctor who was at the scene of Paisley Park on 04-21-16 when deputies arrived and the same doctor who admitted in a statement to Detective Chris Nelson that he had prescribed Prince a prescription for oxycodone the same day as the emergency plane landing but put the prescription in Kirk Johnson’s name for Prince’s privacy.

[Edited 11/5/17 23:46pm]



What's odd is that even though it was said there were prescriptions picked up at Walgreens, there wasn't any mention of Walgreens on the pill bottles found at PP. They were CVS bottles... So if Kirk picked up his (Prince's) prescription medication at Walgreens, where are the pill bottles from Walgreens? Where were those prescriptions?






Hm. I got the impression from the earlier warrants that the bottles were found but there was a mixture of pills in those bottles not just what was presribed.

During a search warrant executed at Paisley Park on 4/21/2016 (the day Prince was found deceased), a suitcase was found in Prince’s bedroom next to his bed. Among the items inside that suitcase were prescription pill bottles in the name of Johnson.

A closer examination of those pill bottles revealed that not all the pills inside the containers were the pills listed on the prescription.


CVS bottles are on the very 1st warrant, not sure if those items were listed on the 21st or the 27th. I assumed those items were picked up on the 21st. Seems odd for WalGreen bottles to disappear in one day.

[Edited 11/6/17 0:22am]

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Reply #194 posted 11/06/17 1:43am

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Asenath0607 said:



Menes said:




Menes said:


Something of note. In all of the search warrant documents, there is not one mention of any pills labeled "fentanyl" found on the property.

The questions for me during examination of the contents , were whether or not any of the pills that were found could produce the effect of fentanyl, and result in death. I also wanted to know whether such a pill was found in abundance.


That lead me to double back and take a hard look at the poison pill theory ( as in a single pill that was laced with levels of fentanyl that would produce toxicity).


Now, each of these pills have assigned "street names" that mirror the actual drug. This is important because it may run parallel to when the pills showed up on the streets with said names.


As I examine all of the pills that were taken into custody , I am starting to get a clearer picture of whether pain management was the goal , or was it to feed an addiction. The lines are heavily blurred but it's worth the research.

As an example, the pills that were found with the imprint "194" could be mistaken for acetaminophen and oxycodone hydrochloride 325mg/10mg(street percocet) if they were yellow in color. However, the pills taken into custody are green . The warrant will not explain the significance of that. What is so important about that? Well, that "green " pill was found in a Vitamin D bottle. That green pill with the imprint "194" is actually Vitamin D 50,000 USP units or (ergocalciferol 1.25 mg) This is not a controlled substance. It is supplied by Paddock Industries.

So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?

In summary, I can say that the more I research about the combination of pills , their specific chemical properties and usage , the more I realize how methodical and disciplined of a person it took to put it all together.




In continuation of the pills that were found at Paisley Park and taken into custody:

"One (1) orange pill with the inscription #8".

1.This pill appears to be buprenorphine ( a scheduled III substance). It is pirmarily used to treat withdrawals from opiod addiction, but is also used to reduce pain and produce feelings of well being as it binds with the opioid receptors.

2. The brand name for buprenorphine is Subutex.

3. Suboxone is the commercial name for Buprenorphine when combined with Naloxone.

4. Andrew Kornfeld brought Buprenorphine with him for his scheduled visit with Prince on 4-20-16.

Though procured illegally, I think we can ascertain that on its own , or in interaction with the other substances, it is unlikely that this produced lethal toxicity.


Short Summary



So far, we have what appeaear to be the following: A substantial need to increas Vitamain D intake: Which may be the result of a host of issues , to include, but not limited to; dietary inadequacy, impaired absorption and use, increased requirement, limited sun light exposure, kidneys that cannot convert it , digestive tract is inadequate ,and the all of the other things that many of you (LR, Stlmuziqlvr,Dibblekins, Penny) mentioned previously.

I wanted to add that there is precedent and correlation for us to assume that inadequate Vitamin D levels is linked to the amount of narcotic medication for those with chronic pain who are ingesting opioids as they are seeking relief from certain cancer types.

* For your records.

Low Vitamin D Levels Are ...ose in ...



Buprenorphine: A New Treatment Option for Opioid Addiction

Buprenorphine Safety, Adverse Reactions, and Drug Interactions

















Vitamin D deficiency is very prevalent and not necessarily related to another underlying health condition.



http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/4/1126.full



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4018438/


Do you think a drug addict would be concerned about his vitamin D levels? You can only get those with an Rx. Prince had been seeing some doctor before Dr. S came along and if he had RXs in Kirk’s name he surely had Rxs written in other people’s name in the past. He did not get that 65k medical expense for illegal street drugs. People also get Vitamin D pills due to radiation therapy.
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Reply #195 posted 11/06/17 2:24am

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laurarichardson said:

Asenath0607 said:

Vitamin D deficiency is very prevalent and not necessarily related to another underlying health condition.

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/4/1126.full

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4018438/

Do you think a drug addict would be concerned about his vitamin D levels? You can only get those with an Rx. Prince had been seeing some doctor before Dr. S came along and if he had RXs in Kirk’s name he surely had Rxs written in other people’s name in the past. He did not get that 65k medical expense for illegal street drugs. People also get Vitamin D pills due to radiation therapy. [Edited 11/6/17 1:44am]

Vegetarians and vegans also get vitamin D.

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The very high doses of Vit D you need a prescription for, but you can buy Vit D over the counter, because I'm on the OTC and I take 20,000IU a week.

laurarichardson said:

Asenath0607 said:

Vitamin D deficiency is very prevalent and not necessarily related to another underlying health condition.

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/4/1126.full

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4018438/

Do you think a drug addict would be concerned about his vitamin D levels? You can only get those with an Rx. Prince had been seeing some doctor before Dr. S came along and if he had RXs in Kirk’s name he surely had Rxs written in other people’s name in the past. He did not get that 65k medical expense for illegal street drugs. People also get Vitamin D pills due to radiation therapy. [Edited 11/6/17 1:44am]

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If Menes was correct about the pill ( I will have to go back and read for myself) Prince would have needed an Rx for those pills. I actually have prescription Vitamin D in my medicence cabinet that fit the descripiton that Menes gave. These pills are mega doses of Vitamin D. I was given an Rx because a random blood test showed by D to be down to nothing because I simpley do not like milk and do not drink any. I have started drinking more and sometimes drink Soy with Vitamin D.

What does not make sense is that Prince mentioned Soy Milk and it comes with Vitamin D so I have to think if he needed a mega dose then something was going on. I also like Menes do not see a dope addict worrying about his lact of Vitamin D, throwing up, or blood pressure.

Remember Vitamin D is prescribed for people under going Radiation treatment and so is Zorfran and we did see a media report that one empty bottle they found was for Oxycontin with some women's name on it.

What I think we all should think is weird in the amount of drugs that Dr. S wrote for him. He took two percocets and had a drug overdose on the plane but the good Dr wrote Hydrocone for him on the 14th? He had Subxone which helps ween you off but he also had two different anti-anxiety drugs one of which the Dr. wrote for him. Some of these drugs should not be taken together.

I am with Menes it all seems to be addiction with some other underlying issues.

PennyPurple said:

The very high doses of Vit D you need a prescription for, but you can buy Vit D over the counter, because I'm on the OTC and I take 20,000IU a week.

laurarichardson said:

Asenath0607 said: Do you think a drug addict would be concerned about his vitamin D levels? You can only get those with an Rx. Prince had been seeing some doctor before Dr. S came along and if he had RXs in Kirk’s name he surely had Rxs written in other people’s name in the past. He did not get that 65k medical expense for illegal street drugs. People also get Vitamin D pills due to radiation therapy. [Edited 11/6/17 1:44am]

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MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

Asenath0607 said: Do you think a drug addict would be concerned about his vitamin D levels? You can only get those with an Rx. Prince had been seeing some doctor before Dr. S came along and if he had RXs in Kirk’s name he surely had Rxs written in other people’s name in the past. He did not get that 65k medical expense for illegal street drugs. People also get Vitamin D pills due to radiation therapy. [Edited 11/6/17 1:44am]

Vegetarians and vegans also get vitamin D.

You get Vitamin D by drinking Soy Milk.

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IDK, either some mistakes were made on the first warrant, such as the pill bottles with Kirk's name were actually from Walgreens or Kirk lied when he told the investigators he never did anything like that before, and has actually picked up scripts for Prince at CVS before or they use the same names, Walgreens and CVS.
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doesn't it seem odd to anyone else that drugs were found all over Paisley Park? i mean, would't common sense dictate that one would keep them on the down low and not all over in backpacks and drawers and etc? without wishing to rouse the old conspiracy theories, there is too much that is utterly strange about this case.

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doesn't it seem odd to anyone else that drugs were found all over Paisley Park? i mean, would't common sense dictate that one would keep them on the down low and not all over in backpacks and drawers and etc? without wishing to rouse the old conspiracy theories, there is too much that is utterly strange about this case.




Gathering from how the warrants were written, The only backpack was Dr. Kornfields son's. There were those found in the traveling bag in Prince's bedroom iirc under the bed, then those in the laundry/wardrobe room.
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Reply #202 posted 11/06/17 7:05am

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Morgaine said:


The presence of the 1 non-RX Suboxone pill is confusing. There's so much that can be suggested by this pill - what it is used for, how it can affect opiate usage, as well as inferring a level of awareness about opiate dependency. Peace & Be Wild


Was it just one though? The warrant states 1 orange pill with #8; but also states "8 orange oval pills". Could the 8 orange oval pills also been Suboxone?



It's possible, but without knowing the imprint, there's no way to know for sure.
The presence of any Suboxone is confusing because of the implications that arise.
It's not an easy prescription to legally obtain (not all doctors prescribe) and is generally only given for detox/chronic pain.
Frustrating to not have information that could add clarity.:(

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Reply #203 posted 11/06/17 7:18am

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morningsong said:




Morgaine said:


Menes said: Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that some of the hydrocodone pills (853) were found to have varying amounts of fentanyl. If true, it would be extremely difficult for a person to know which pill(s) to ingest to achieve a desired effect be it pain relief or death as they are identically marked according to what was reported. I do seem to recall this was "leaked" information that hasn't been verified or discredited by any law enforcement agencies. It would be helpful to have either. Peace & Be Wild



According to the warrant there were a lot of the counterfeit pills. According to the media many of the counterfeit pills were tested and were found with high concentrations of fentanyl. The difference between the 2 reports is the actual number stamped on the pills. No media report has printed a retraction.


From a Billboard article:


One pill with the "Watson 385" stamp that was analyzed by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension tested positive for fentanyl, lidocaine and another drug.

Officials found nearly two dozen pills similar to the one that was tested, the official said.


Another aspirin bottle had 64 counterfeit tablets in it. Some pills that were analyzed contained fentanyl, lidocaine and U-4770 -- a synthetic drug that is eight times more powerful than morphine.





Obviously this is the article that misprinted the U-47700 and must have later corrected their mistake

Search warrant states (15) Watson853 found in 2nd flr dressing room. (64-1/2) Watson853 found in Bayer bottle. (20-1/2) Watson853 in an Aleve bottle



Just to be clear, the point of the thread was to disregard all tabloid information and focus soley on the facts in the warrants . In addition, we use those facts to compile additonal information relevant to what is written in the warrants. I've posted numerous links in this thread where tabloid and news agencies misquoted the facts in the warrants. That is not what we are doing here.



That's my point - because law enforcement hasn't released additional information, there is no way to know what or how he ingested the fentanyl that killed him. Which makes it more difficult to formulate a hypothesis, let alone theorize.
I'm not trying to derail what you have or are trying to accomplish, I just don't see how it's possible to get answers without more information.
Plesse (anyone) prove me wrong.

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Reply #204 posted 11/06/17 7:32am

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doesn't it seem odd to anyone else that drugs were found all over Paisley Park? i mean, would't common sense dictate that one would keep them on the down low and not all over in backpacks and drawers and etc? without wishing to rouse the old conspiracy theories, there is too much that is utterly strange about this case.



It's not odd if he was addicted, abusing, and/or abusing meds, it's actually common behavior to 'hide' it, similar to people with alcohol issues 'hiding' bottles in the linen drawer, garage, etc.
If you wanted to hide your meds, putting them in vitamin bottles, etc is pretty smart.
I'm in no way saying that's what occurred, but this, along with other indicators definitely makes the idea of P having abuse/dependency issues more viable.
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XxAxX said:


doesn't it seem odd to anyone else that drugs were found all over Paisley Park? i mean, would't common sense dictate that one would keep them on the down low and not all over in backpacks and drawers and etc? without wishing to rouse the old conspiracy theories, there is too much that is utterly strange about this case.

Well per the search warrants they were all found in the living quarters. It is the media that said they were all over the park. It was a 65k square foot facility if he wanted to hide something so no one could find it he could have but everything was neatly availble for the police.

The case is filled with convienent coincedences and I must say Prince knew just how gulliable the public really is. After all he had us thinking his real ass was hanging on T.V for 20 years.

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laurarichardson said:

XxAxX said:


doesn't it seem odd to anyone else that drugs were found all over Paisley Park? i mean, would't common sense dictate that one would keep them on the down low and not all over in backpacks and drawers and etc? without wishing to rouse the old conspiracy theories, there is too much that is utterly strange about this case.

Well per the search warrants they were all found in the living quarters. It is the media that said they were all over the park. It was a 65k square foot facility if he wanted to hide something so no one could find it he could have but everything was neatly availble for the police.

The case is filled with convienent coincedences and I must say Prince knew just how gulliable the public really is. After all he had us thinking his real ass was hanging on T.V for 20 years.

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MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

Asenath0607 said: Do you think a drug addict would be concerned about his vitamin D levels? You can only get those with an Rx. Prince had been seeing some doctor before Dr. S came along and if he had RXs in Kirk’s name he surely had Rxs written in other people’s name in the past. He did not get that 65k medical expense for illegal street drugs. People also get Vitamin D pills due to radiation therapy. [Edited 11/6/17 1:44am]

Vegetarians and vegans also get vitamin D.

So do people with liver failure. See below about Walter Payton.

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Walter Payton had liver problems due to bile duct cancer. See article below. It took about six months from his diagnois to death. I doubt Walter Payton was addicted to pain pills but we know he took them and these meds destroy your organs and it does not even take long for it to happen. You can have liver failure from taking to many aspirians.

With treatment and if these types of cancers go into remission and person could make it for 10 years. It is possible that if Prince had used pain pills going back to the 90s he might have known about damage as long as a decade ago.

Keep in mind if he was aware of any sort of organ problem he would have been able to let his sister know his prognois and there would have been nothing else that anyone would be able to do.

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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1999-11-02/news/9911020076_1_liver-transplant-cancer-chicago-hospitals

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https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=10910

The signs and symptoms of PSC include jaundice (yellowing), generalized pruritus (itching all over the body), upper abdominal pain, and infection.

The disease causes irreversible scarring of the liver (cirrhosis) and liver failure, leading to the consideration of liver transplantation. PSC is, in fact, one of the more common reasons for a liver transplant.

The diagnosis of PSC is confirmed by demonstration of thickened bile ducts using a special radiological test called cholangiography in which dye is injected into the bile ducts and then x-rays are taken of the injected ducts.

The treatment of PSC (short of liver transplantation) includes the drug cholestyramine (QUESTRAN) to diminish itching, antibiotics for infection, and vitamin D and calcium to prevent bone loss (osteoporosis). Sometimes, balloon dilatation (a procedure in which the bile ducts are stretched open) or surgery to bypass an obstructed bile duct are performed.

The expected length of survival depends on the age of the person, their

degree of jaundice (based on their blood bilirubin level), how advanced the PSC is by liver biopsy (whether cirrhosis has developed or not), and the size of the spleen (splenomegaly).

The long-term prognosis for PSC is poor. Wwithout a liver transplant, most patients die within 10 years of the time of diagnosis of the disease.

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XxAxX said:


doesn't it seem odd to anyone else that drugs were found all over Paisley Park? i mean, would't common sense dictate that one would keep them on the down low and not all over in backpacks and drawers and etc? without wishing to rouse the old conspiracy theories, there is too much that is utterly strange about this case.



laurarichardson said:

Well per the search warrants they were all found in the living quarters. It is the media that said they were all over the park. It was a 65k square foot facility if he wanted to hide something so no one could find it he could have but everything was neatly availble for the police.

The case is filled with convienent coincedences and I must say Prince knew just how gulliable the public really is. After all he had us thinking his real ass was hanging on T.V for 20 years.



Yes. Very convenient and many aren't seeing that. nod


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Reply #209 posted 11/06/17 8:26am

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Morgaine said:

Menes said:

Just to be clear, the point of the thread was to disregard all tabloid information and focus soley on the facts in the warrants . In addition, we use those facts to compile additonal information relevant to what is written in the warrants. I've posted numerous links in this thread where tabloid and news agencies misquoted the facts in the warrants. That is not what we are doing here.



That's my point - because law enforcement hasn't released additional information, there is no way to know what or how he ingested the fentanyl that killed him. Which makes it more difficult to formulate a hypothesis, let alone theorize. I'm not trying to derail what you have or are trying to accomplish, I just don't see how it's possible to get answers without more information. Plesse (anyone) prove me wrong. Peace & Be Wild



This is exactly the reason why I had said previously that there has been too much unsubstantiated information from "sources" that's been used as real proof of whatever. It's nothing more than guesswork if there is no official documentation of what these "sources" are always leaking to the media. It's bullshit.

And no one is going to be able to prove you wrong, for that reason wink



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