PennyPurple said:

Menes said:

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

I think Law Enforcement knows exactly if, and what disease he had. At this point if they are still investigating it, it's only to find out who is making and pushing the pills.

Hmmm, well they are too many pushers and manufacturers worldwide to narrow that down. What I think is still of interest is how did Prince get the pills for himself.

I don't believe that a person(street pusher) gave those pills to Prince. I don't think he would risk that kind of exposure. They never released the contents of all the electronic forensics for us to see. I do agree that there is a source.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Please, everyone stay calm and rational, but perhaps out of wisdom/knowledge gained from her own battles with drug addiction she saw 2 years before his death that if he didn't get into locked-down treatment immediately..there was going to be an inevitable crash and burn two years down the road.

Want to know every little thing about drugs and what they do to your body? Ask a drug user. She knew. An I'm sure when she mentioned treatment (Like Prince had paid for for her...like any loving sister would have suggeted) he said ,'No way'...so that's why she was prepared for the call. It's never been mysterious to me.

Could be true, maybe that's why she won't get more specific, she could be afraid of the backlash if Fans knew that.

Thanks White Dude, excellent point. Makes perfect sense. I can see the Orgers. flaming her along the lines of 'why didn't you have him physically dragged into treatment?'...but she knew him and loved him and wouldn't have disrespected him that brutally. I'll wager that from the time he was 17, if Prince had any control of a situation he NEVER did anything unless he wanted to. It was his downfall, his tragic weakness, his Achilles heel. RIP.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

Please, everyone stay calm and rational, but perhaps out of wisdom/knowledge gained from her own battles with drug addiction she saw 2 years before his death that if he didn't get into locked-down treatment immediately..there was going to be an inevitable crash and burn two years down the road.

Want to know every little thing about drugs and what they do to your body? Ask a drug user. She knew. An I'm sure when she mentioned treatment (Like Prince had paid for for her...like any loving sister would have suggeted) he said ,'No way'...so that's why she was prepared for the call. It's never been mysterious to me.

Knowing what you know of her( as in , she talks too much), and what you know of Prince, do you think that Prince would risk telling her such a thing?

As a reminder ,didn't she drag Andre Cymone's name into something? I don't think he wanted any part of that.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Could be true, maybe that's why she won't get more specific, she could be afraid of the backlash if Fans knew that.

Thanks White Dude, excellent point. Makes perfect sense. I can see the Orgers. flaming her along the lines of 'why didn't you have him physically dragged into treatment?'...but she knew him and loved him and wouldn't have disrespected him that brutally. I'll wager that from the time he was 17, if Prince had any control of a situation he NEVER did anything unless he wanted to. It was his downfall, his tragic weakness, his Achilles heel. RIP.

It's sad, but that's very true tho

Menes said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Please, everyone stay calm and rational, but perhaps out of wisdom/knowledge gained from her own battles with drug addiction she saw 2 years before his death that if he didn't get into locked-down treatment immediately..there was going to be an inevitable crash and burn two years down the road.

Want to know every little thing about drugs and what they do to your body? Ask a drug user. She knew. An I'm sure when she mentioned treatment (Like Prince had paid for for her...like any loving sister would have suggeted) he said ,'No way'...so that's why she was prepared for the call. It's never been mysterious to me.

Knowing what you know of her( as in , she talks too much), and what you know of Prince, do you think that Prince would risk telling her such a thing?

As a reminder ,didn't she drag Andre Cymone's name into something? I don't think he wanted any part of that.

Did he say something about that Interview and that she mentioned him? Would be interesting to know what he thinks about that.

TypoQueen said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

Menes said:

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

What i don't understand is if she knew he was going to die within 3 years why did she let him die alone in a elevator [Edited 11/2/17 18:10pm]

Strawberry,

i am sure she did everything she could. Someone can only do so much. I can’t say I relate to her exactly but I know there comes a time when you have to respect people’s wishes. My mom died of cancer, when she was diagnosed, she refused treatment! No amount of pleading, yelling, crying… nothing would change her mind. She said she would rather have 2 years of relatively good quality of life than 5 years of chemo and being sick for the entire time. None of us could change her mind.

~~DD55

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Did he say something about that Interview and that she mentioned him? Would be interesting to know what he thinks about that.

Okay at this point you did not even bother to listen to the interview and have made up your mind to attack this women for talking about her brother (not your brother) and still not really telling us everything. She and all the other people who say we do not know the whole story are all working together to blow your victim of the opiad crisis dream😳

Just like your dream that P had cancer or some other illness? It's really arrogant to think that people who believe the opiote crisis theorie are dumb and simply dreaming and that you know as a fact that he was terminal ill.

laurarichardson said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

What i don't understand is if she knew he was going to die within 3 years why did she let him die alone in a elevator [Edited 11/2/17 18:10pm]

Because he wanted to be alone. He sent everyone away and he turned off those cameras. He did just what he wanted to do and do not assume that anything could be done.

It's killing me, but I agree with you on this one, LR.

He played at the Chanhassen Supper club in March ...and yes he did look good

www.startribune.com/prince-gives-surprise-brief...chanhassen-dinner.../371944961/

laurarichardson said:

4 of the drugs listed came from Dr. S. From what I am reading he should not have been given all these anti-anxiety meds along with the Hydro. Even if Dr. S is telling the truth and he wrote the pain meds for Kirk he had to have been aware that P was having a problem with pain meds especially if he was seeing him for joint pain.

It does not make sense for the doctor to have prescribed all that stuff. It was not found that he was a long term user of Fentanyl so I believe that was something he was not aware of.

I cannot figure out why take the bootleg pills if Kirk had the real thing. So we have to think he got confused ( thus accidental o.d) or he just did not care. After all he got a rack of drugs from Dr. S and he still took the bootleg stuff as well.

He could have gone anywhere to get Subxone and been straight.

I still say the anti-nausea drugs are suspect as they are mainly used for cancer treatment but at the same time Prince was out the day before riding a bike and had gone to a night club.

Looks like a million bucks playing at the Channahsen Supper Club back in January.

[Edited 11/2/17 19:07pm]

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laurarichardson said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

What i don't understand is if she knew he was going to die within 3 years why did she let him die alone in a elevator [Edited 11/2/17 18:10pm]

Because he wanted to be alone. He sent everyone away and he turned off those cameras. He did just what he wanted to do and do not assume that anything could be done.

Correct. Sent them all off, and was not heard or seen from from since 8pm on 4-20-2016. It seems that when Kirk went to Walgreens to pick up the prescription( on the same day), that would be the last time he saw Prince.

I don't know if that picture on TMZ of Prince in the parking lot is accurate or not, but if it is, you can see there are some clues there in reference to time of day.

Menes said:

PennyPurple said:

2 paramedics, I beleive.

That may be it.

I am still try to process why Tyka is not mentioned in the documents if she had some knowledge of him passing in the way that she mentions? It is clear that they were not aware of this "(3) year" business.

Why would she mention it now and not then? There is an ongoing investigation ( clearly investigators think a crime was committed) and I'm not sure how what she says plays into the whole thing. It is as if it eliminates any need for further investigation.

Thoughts anyone?

Tyka is not mentioned because information she provided was not needed in the narrative to obtain the search warrants.

I am certain they interviewed Tyka and her interview is in the investigative file that we will never see.

TypoQueen said:

laurarichardson said:

Do you really think it is hard for a doctor to not realize that some of the meds working together are going to cause adverse reactions. How many pain relievers and aniexity meds does one person need at one time. Look some of these up they cannot be mixed with other drugs.

I am on all them and a lot more. My choice at this moment in time is medication and risk adverse reactions. An operation that is highly likely to leave me paralysed needing round the clock care along with a life time of medications is something I am not willing to do. I know the risks. Doctors know the risks. Doctors prescribe these drugs in hope to give you a quality of life. Sometimes science gives us no option but to take medications that can cause other organ damage while trying to stop pain that’s intolerable.

i hope you recover

CooperC62057 said:

First, thank you Menes for taking the time to list the search warrant information on the org again. It is easy to become confused between the factual and the hearsay. I would suggest that anyone who wishes to keep this info for reference to take note of it since I can see the same battle lines over these issues being developed already and the thread will eventually vanish. That being said, for what it’s worth, I know someone who had an opiate addiction who had the same exact three medications prescribed to them to treat the symptoms of withdrawal so no points are PROVEN that these meds were prescribed for pain or cancer. Could have been any of them. Also note that when someone has pain AND an opiate addiction, that pain will actually increase in intensity. Further, during opiate addiction, a person may be trying to wean off of them, show signs of withdrawal, take a smaller than usual dosage and bounce back to normal for several hours (times when he was seen in public) and repeat this behavior until detoxed and entering into a rehab facility. Don’t get me wrong, he could have had an illness (although in those warrants there is absolutely NO mention or indication in that direction, he could have had pain, but it is quite apparent he had an addiction issue. One thing I am certain of, someone KNEW whether they wanted to admit it to themselves or others, they KNEW.

MANY people knew, I swear this is true. And the most difficult thing for me to accept is that they knew for YEARS.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

CooperC62057 said:

First, thank you Menes for taking the time to list the search warrant information on the org again. It is easy to become confused between the factual and the hearsay. I would suggest that anyone who wishes to keep this info for reference to take note of it since I can see the same battle lines over these issues being developed already and the thread will eventually vanish. That being said, for what it’s worth, I know someone who had an opiate addiction who had the same exact three medications prescribed to them to treat the symptoms of withdrawal so no points are PROVEN that these meds were prescribed for pain or cancer. Could have been any of them. Also note that when someone has pain AND an opiate addiction, that pain will actually increase in intensity. Further, during opiate addiction, a person may be trying to wean off of them, show signs of withdrawal, take a smaller than usual dosage and bounce back to normal for several hours (times when he was seen in public) and repeat this behavior until detoxed and entering into a rehab facility. Don’t get me wrong, he could have had an illness (although in those warrants there is absolutely NO mention or indication in that direction, he could have had pain, but it is quite apparent he had an addiction issue. One thing I am certain of, someone KNEW whether they wanted to admit it to themselves or others, they KNEW.

MANY people knew, I swear this is true. And the most difficult thing for me to accept is that they knew for YEARS.

Yes Bodhi, I think you are correct.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

CooperC62057 said:

First, thank you Menes for taking the time to list the search warrant information on the org again. It is easy to become confused between the factual and the hearsay. I would suggest that anyone who wishes to keep this info for reference to take note of it since I can see the same battle lines over these issues being developed already and the thread will eventually vanish. That being said, for what it’s worth, I know someone who had an opiate addiction who had the same exact three medications prescribed to them to treat the symptoms of withdrawal so no points are PROVEN that these meds were prescribed for pain or cancer. Could have been any of them. Also note that when someone has pain AND an opiate addiction, that pain will actually increase in intensity. Further, during opiate addiction, a person may be trying to wean off of them, show signs of withdrawal, take a smaller than usual dosage and bounce back to normal for several hours (times when he was seen in public) and repeat this behavior until detoxed and entering into a rehab facility. Don’t get me wrong, he could have had an illness (although in those warrants there is absolutely NO mention or indication in that direction, he could have had pain, but it is quite apparent he had an addiction issue. One thing I am certain of, someone KNEW whether they wanted to admit it to themselves or others, they KNEW.

MANY people knew, I swear this is true. And the most difficult thing for me to accept is that they knew for YEARS.

yep...and the person that knew the most (Kirk Johnson), is talking the least.... as it should be..

laurarichardson said:

Astasheiks said:

Worth Repeating From Menes:

d. The investigation reveals that interviews of those who were there when Prince was found that morning, are inconsistent and contradictory at times.

Because they have something to hide. People who are honest are not contradictory. They did hang around for 45 minutes before even finding him knowing he was ill. What does that say?

They panicked. Were caught between doing the right thing and keeping his privacy intact. All of a sudden, the person calling the shots and giving them instructions was dead. What do you do? Who do you turn to for advice? The panic they felt in those mniutes must have been overwhelming...

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

Because they have something to hide. People who are honest are not contradictory. They did hang around for 45 minutes before even finding him knowing he was ill. What does that say?

They panicked. Were caught between doing the right thing and keeping his privacy intact. All of a sudden, the person calling the shots and giving them instructions was dead. What do you do? Who do you turn to for advice? The panic they felt in those mniutes must have been overwhelming...

Good points here.

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

Because they have something to hide. People who are honest are not contradictory. They did hang around for 45 minutes before even finding him knowing he was ill. What does that say?

They panicked. Were caught between doing the right thing and keeping his privacy intact. All of a sudden, the person calling the shots and giving them instructions was dead. What do you do? Who do you turn to for advice? The panic they felt in those mniutes must have been overwhelming...

What does "Many" include? John Blackwell, Wendy Melvoin, Lisa Coleman, Mayte, MOrris Hayes, Manuella, Shelby J, Bobby Z, Jonelle Monae, etc? Are you implying that they all just said "fuck him". That's kind of harsh. I know P had people signing non-disclosure agreements, but I can't imagine there wouldn't be at least a few former employees anonymously or not anonymously (depending on the legality of talking after employment ceases) being paid by tabloids for drug addict tidbits while he was alive. Couldn't they have gone to prince hater C.J. with anonymous tidbits for a few extra bucks. Why was it never used as blackmail or anything of that nature that we know off. Even if nobody gave a shit about his wellbeing, a drug addiction is a big deal and rumors get circulated. Other than some rumors of pain pill popping in 2009, there ain't much. I am not saying people didn't suspect that he was self-medicating for pain issues, i am saying that most folks probably thought he had a handle on it until they suspected in his last days that something was up but they were too out of the inner circle to know what to do about it or how bad it really was. Its funny but P's old assistant fro 2011-2013 (former employee) sent him an email after his first overdose wishing him well. She probably knew something was up, but what is a former employee going to do but wish him well? Old musician friends were kept out of the loop until P decided to reunite or reach out to them. I notice in Andre's recent interview that he talked to P when P randomly reached out to him. I question why he never seemed to attempt to reach out to P, but maybe he just didn't have the avenue to do so (no personal email etc) becuase Andre did state that whenever P did call, it was a different unlisted phone number. P's isolation at times was disturbing and probably how he was able to keep his addiction somewhat vague to others.

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

MANY people knew, I swear this is true. And the most difficult thing for me to accept is that they knew for YEARS.

Yes Bodhi, I think you are correct.

Good Points but you are wasting your time. Some people want to believe that P was pill popping straight for 20 years in front of people and never had an Rx. He was doing all this and no one notices, blackmailed him or ran their mouth to the tabs.

It is obvious that he had some medical issues and he had surgery so at some point he did have an RX for these meds. At some point he began to take to many and things spun out of control. I think all of this happend in the last months of his life and very few people knew anything about it at all.

He had a very small staff around him going back at least to the start of the 3rd Eye Girl era. Around 2013 and 2014. You know right around the time Tkya said she got the e-mail and picture.

Not really that hard to use some common sense and put this all together but some people are hell bent on making up their own narrative.

They will not even acknowledge Myra Brown his assistant from 2015 who said he was certainly not on drugs when she worked for him because he out worked her and she quit because she was exhausted and something must have happend after she left at the end of 2015. She said when they were on the road it was nothing to do a 20 hour day and Prince never slowed down. Do pain pills give people super human powers that they are able to work 20 hours a day?

purplerabbithole said:

What does "Many" include? John Blackwell, Wendy Melvoin, Lisa Coleman, Mayte, MOrris Hayes, Manuella, Shelby J, Bobby Z, Jonelle Monae, etc? Are you implying that they all just said "fuck him". That's kind of harsh. I know P had people signing non-disclosure agreements, but I can't imagine there wouldn't be at least a few former employees anonymously or not anonymously (depending on the legality of talking after employment ceases) being paid by tabloids for drug addict tidbits while he was alive. Couldn't they have gone to prince hater C.J. with anonymous tidbits for a few extra bucks. Why was it never used as blackmail or anything of that nature that we know off. Even if nobody gave a shit about his wellbeing, a drug addiction is a big deal and rumors get circulated. Other than some rumors of pain pill popping in 2009, there ain't much. I am not saying people didn't suspect that he was self-medicating for pain issues, i am saying that most folks probably thought he had a handle on it until they suspected in his last days that something was up but they were too out of the inner circle to know what to do about it or how bad it really was. Its funny but P's old assistant fro 2011-2013 (former employee) sent him an email after his first overdose wishing him well. She probably knew something was up, but what is a former employee going to do but wish him well? Old musician friends were kept out of the loop until P decided to reunite or reach out to them. I notice in Andre's recent interview that he talked to P when P randomly reached out to him. I question why he never seemed to attempt to reach out to P, but maybe he just didn't have the avenue to do so (no personal email etc) becuase Andre did state that whenever P did call, it was a different unlisted phone number. P's isolation at times was disturbing and probably how he was able to keep his addiction somewhat vague to others.

PennyPurple said:

Yes Bodhi, I think you are correct.

Something of note. In all of the search warrant documents, there is not one mention of any pills labeled "fentanyl" found on the property.

The questions for me during examination of the contents , were whether or not any of the pills that were found could produce the effect of fentanyl, and result in death. I also wanted to know whether such a pill was found in abundance.


That lead me to double back and take a hard look at the poison pill theory ( as in a single pill that was laced with levels of fentanyl that would produce toxicity).


Now, each of these pills have assigned "street names" that mirror the actual drug. This is important because it may run parallel to when the pills showed up on the streets with said names.


As I examine all of the pills that were taken into custody , I am starting to get a clearer picture of whether pain management was the goal , or was it to feed an addiction. The lines are heavily blurred but it's worth the research.

As an example, the pills that were found with the imprint "194" could be mistaken for acetaminophen and oxycodone hydrochloride 325mg/10mg(street percocet) if they were yellow in color. However, the pills taken into custody are green . The warrant will not explain the significance of that. What is so important about that? Well, that "green " pill was found in a Vitamin D bottle. That green pill with the imprint "194" is actually Vitamin D 50,000 USP units or (ergocalciferol 1.25 mg) This is not a controlled substance. It is supplied by Paddock Industries.

So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?

In summary, I can say that the more I research about the combination of pills , their specific chemical properties and usage , the more I realize how methodical and disciplined of a person it took to put it all together.

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

paulludvig said:

Menes said:

Something of note. In all of the search warrant documents, there is not one mention of any pills labeled "fentanyl" found on the property.

The questions for me during examination of the contents , were whether or not any of the pills that were found could produce the effect of fentanyl, and result in death. I also wanted to know whether such a pill was found in abundance.


That lead me to double back and take a hard look at the poison pill theory ( as in a single pill that was laced with levels of fentanyl that would produce toxicity).


Now, each of these pills have assigned "street names" that mirror the actual drug. This is important because it may run parallel to when the pills showed up on the streets with said names.


As I examine all of the pills that were taken into custody , I am starting to get a clearer picture of whether pain management was the goal , or was it to feed an addiction. The lines are heavily blurred but it's worth the research.

As an example, the pills that were found with the imprint "194" could be mistaken for acetaminophen and oxycodone hydrochloride 325mg/10mg(street percocet) if they were yellow in color. However, the pills taken into custody are green . The warrant will not explain the significance of that. What is so important about that? Well, that "green " pill was found in a Vitamin D bottle. That green pill with the imprint "194" is actually Vitamin D 50,000 USP units or (ergocalciferol 1.25 mg) This is not a controlled substance. It is supplied by Paddock Industries.

So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?

In summary, I can say that the more I research about the combination of pills , their specific chemical properties and usage , the more I realize how methodical and disciplined of a person it took to put it all together.

"So why would you need 50,000 usp units of Vitamin D2 ? What is it for? Where would you buy that?" Any idea?

For starters:
VITAMIN D (Ergocalciferol...USP Units)

Strawberrylova123 said:

laurarichardson said:

Good Points but you are wasting your time. Some people want to believe that P was pill popping straight for 20 years in front of people and never had an Rx. He was doing all this and no one notices, blackmailed him or ran their mouth to the tabs.

It is obvious that he had some medical issues and he had surgery so at some point he did have an RX for these meds. At some point he began to take to many and things spun out of control. I think all of this happend in the last months of his life and very few people knew anything about it at all.

He had a very small staff around him going back at least to the start of the 3rd Eye Girl era. Around 2013 and 2014. You know right around the time Tkya said she got the e-mail and picture.

Not really that hard to use some common sense and put this all together but some people are hell bent on making up their own narrative.

They will not even acknowledge Myra Brown his assistant from 2015 who said he was certainly not on drugs when she worked for him because he out worked her and she quit because she was exhausted and something must have happend after she left at the end of 2015. She said when they were on the road it was nothing to do a 20 hour day and Prince never slowed down. Do pain pills give people super human powers that they are able to work 20 hours a day?

No laura your the one who never has common sense and your the one who is following your own narrative, post proof that prince had a terminal illness.

We have what Tyka is telling us now not once but twice. We have loads of stitutions that point to it and it is all been mentioned on this board a million times. We have more evidence that he was ill then we do that he was some life long pill head and the lack of evidence for that is nonexistent but that does not stop people from believing it.

We have no proof at all that he refused to go to rehab due to pride or embarrassment but people have made up this senerio. I am sure that if Tyka writes a book or continues to do interviews we will find out and then we will see how common sense was not used

Oh I forgt to mention that only superman could consume massive quatnties of pain pills and not have any effect on their organs and over all health but the lack of common sense can take you on that type of journey. You know Prince was superhuman and would never ever have a sickness or illness.