Very good post!

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I have never understood how/why people who believe in the eternal, loving embrace of their God can be so horrified by death…especially in the face of pain, disease and all other kinds of suffering.

Would it have been better to read of Prince in diapers, hooked up to an IV morphine drip in hospice care? Do you enjoy imagining him in group therapy at Betty Ford talking about why he liked “to watch?’, why he wrote “Slave" on his face?, holding a mirror and talking about how much he misses Denise? Why aren’t 41 studio albums give or take a few, three movies, countless videos and 1000 crystal clear boots, etc. enough? Did you prefer that he collapse and die on stage?

I am at peace with the thought of him eternally in the loving arms of the God he believed in. I celebrate the fact that he never let de-elevator bring him down. I am glad he is no longer in pain or discomfort of any kind.

Prince was born and raised in a ‘going home’ tradition where only good and beautiful things await those who believe, once they can lay their weary burdens down and leave their suffering bodies behind.

He’s not ‘gone’, he’s in another world, space and joy.

Go to his music, feel that joy, the genius, feel Lovesexy, understand you can be with him like that for every day remaining in your own life. Give thanks to whatever you believe in for Prince…and then dance on and be happy for him and let him Rest in Peace.

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ThatWhiteDude said:

What exactly is Tyka supposed to do? She's really quite powerless to do anything.Prince is a grown man and bread winner.

daingermouz2020 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Could be true, maybe that's why she won't get more specific, she could be afraid of the backlash if Fans knew that.

What exactly is Tyka supposed to do? She's really quite powerless to do anything.Prince is a grown man and bread winner.

People can't even get their own kids into or stay in rehab.

FACTS:

No one has been arrested or charged in the death of Prince Rogers Nelson .

None of the counterfiet meds have shown up around the United States and it's known territories.

muleFunk said:

FACTS:

No one has been arrested or charged in the death of Prince Rogers Nelson .

None of the counterfiet meds have shown up around the United States and it's known territories.

I'm not sure how anyone knows that. Most articles don't say the stamping on pills, most just say Norcon, or Vicidon, or just opiodes.

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morningsong said:

muleFunk said:

FACTS:

No one has been arrested or charged in the death of Prince Rogers Nelson .

None of the counterfiet meds have shown up around the United States and it's known territories.

I'm not sure how anyone knows that. Most articles don't say the stamping on pills, most just say Norcon, or Vicidon, or just opiodes.

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It was printed back in August 2016.

That's the whole problem with this case. They made this another Opioid death but the amount found in those pills would have killed him just by touching.

muleFunk said:

morningsong said:

I'm not sure how anyone knows that. Most articles don't say the stamping on pills, most just say Norcon, or Vicidon, or just opiodes.

[Edited 11/14/17 18:40pm]

It was printed back in August 2016.

That's the whole problem with this case. They made this another Opioid death but the amount found in those pills would have killed him just by touching.

By who? Most of what I've been reading doesn't support that statement, nor does it deny it.


As I said few articles specify what was stamped on the pills in raids around the country. I just read an article about a raid in Canada, 70 million pills along with stamping machines, but no mention of what the pills were stamped as, just that they were counterfeit opiodes mixed with illegal fentanyl.

morningsong said:

muleFunk said:

It was printed back in August 2016.

That's the whole problem with this case. They made this another Opioid death but the amount found in those pills would have killed him just by touching.

By who? Most of what I've been reading doesn't support that statement, nor does it deny it.


As I said few articles specify what was stamped on the pills in raids around the country. I just read an article about a raid in Canada, 70 million pills along with stamping machines, but no mention of what the pills were stamped as, just that they were counterfeit opiodes mixed with illegal fentanyl.

Exactly. There is no autopsy report that supports the amount of fentanyl Prince had in his body. There are leaked reports of what some may assume to be true. That's the equivalent of someone asserting that because the name of Prince Rogers Nelson adds up to 666 in the amount of characters, he is exactly the spirit that personifies the enchanter. Truth, is another matter.

Menes said:

morningsong said:

By who? Most of what I've been reading doesn't support that statement, nor does it deny it.


As I said few articles specify what was stamped on the pills in raids around the country. I just read an article about a raid in Canada, 70 million pills along with stamping machines, but no mention of what the pills were stamped as, just that they were counterfeit opiodes mixed with illegal fentanyl.

Exactly. There is no autopsy report that supports the amount of fentanyl Prince had in his body. There are leaked reports of what some may assume to be true. That's the equivalent of someone asserting that because the name of Prince Rogers Nelson adds up to 666 in the amount of characters, he is exactly the spirit that personifies the enchanter. Truth, is another matter.

We have nothing official that he was given Narcan but an intial report by TMZ. Nothing was mentioned in the search warrent. Yet, people take it as the gospel truth. We have not one report of Prince being high or out of it. Numerous people saying they never saw him take drugs or so him high. No slow down in his work production. Yet some people have this idea that he was high out of his ass for 30 years.

We all know what he died from so there is no need for people not to come and say " Prince was a junkie for 20 years" Yet we keep hearing" we do not know the whole story". While eveyone ignores this comment.

We have not seen any articles about anyone else having high levels of fentenyl in their system that these so-called leaks are saying were in his system. Why would Prince be the only one dying of this high dosage and not anyone else?

We are living in the era of " believe what you want" or "just make up something to fit the narrative"

morningsong said:

daingermouz2020 said:

ThatWhiteDude said: What exactly is Tyka supposed to do? She's really quite powerless to do anything.Prince is a grown man and bread winner.

People can't even get their own kids into or stay in rehab.

While it may be difficult to get someone to enter rehab, what is clear is that the person closest to Prince was not ignorant of the fact that Prince was struggling with the consumption of opioids. As the warrant stated, Kirk had full access to Paisley Park, and therefore , more than likely, would have seen the bottles and pills since there were in plain sight. Either he was an enabler, or, someone who wanted to respect the wishes of Prince and go along with the program.

Menes said:

morningsong said:

People can't even get their own kids into or stay in rehab.

While it may be difficult to get someone to enter rehab, what is clear is that the person closest to Prince was not ignorant of the fact that Prince was struggling with the consumption of opioids. As the warrant stated, Kirk had full access to Paisley Park, and therefore , more than likely, would have seen the bottles and pills since there were in plain sight. Either he was an enabler, or, someone who wanted to respect the wishes of Prince and go along with the program.

Is that what people who live with family members dealing with dependency do?

laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

Exactly. There is no autopsy report that supports the amount of fentanyl Prince had in his body. There are leaked reports of what some may assume to be true. That's the equivalent of someone asserting that because the name of Prince Rogers Nelson adds up to 666 in the amount of characters, he is exactly the spirit that personifies the enchanter. Truth, is another matter.

We have nothing official that he was given Narcan but an intial report by TMZ. Nothing was mentioned in the search warrent. Yet, people take it as the gospel truth. We have not one report of Prince being high or out of it. Numerous people saying they never saw him take drugs or so him high. No slow down in his work production. Yet some people have this idea that he was high out of his ass for 30 years.

We all know what he died from so there is no need for people not to come and say " Prince was a junkie for 20 years" Yet we keep hearing" we do not know the whole story". While eveyone ignores this comment.

We have not seen any articles about anyone else having high levels of fentenyl in their system that these so-called leaks are saying were in his system. Why would Prince be the only one dying of this high dosage and not anyone else?

We are living in the era of " believe what you want" or "just make up something to fit the narrative"

Nope, there's not.


All that's coming the minute people are sure such statements won't hurt or enhance their careers. There have been cocaine accusations for years.


No articles tells you the level of fentanyl of anybody whose died of an overdose of it. They all start talking about heroine addiction, which I think is a disservice.

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morningsong said:

Menes said:

While it may be difficult to get someone to enter rehab, what is clear is that the person closest to Prince was not ignorant of the fact that Prince was struggling with the consumption of opioids. As the warrant stated, Kirk had full access to Paisley Park, and therefore , more than likely, would have seen the bottles and pills since there were in plain sight. Either he was an enabler, or, someone who wanted to respect the wishes of Prince and go along with the program.

Is that what people who live with family members dealing with dependency do?

Well he wasn't Prince's family. But yes, some family members/friends do enable the behavior in many different ways.

Menes said:

morningsong said:

Is that what people who live with family members dealing with dependency do?

Well he wasn't Prince's family. But yes, some family members/friends do enable the behavior in many different ways.

He wasn't a blood relative, but 3 decades is a long time to be around somebody.
I think some people just feel helpless and just haven't reached the turning their back and shutting the person out stage. If we are being realistic.

morningsong said:

Menes said:

Well he wasn't Prince's family. But yes, some family members/friends do enable the behavior in many different ways.

He wasn't a blood relative, but 3 decades is a long time to be around somebody.
I think some people just feel helpless and just haven't reached the turning their back and shutting the person out stage. If we are being realistic.

I can agree with that. We know the story of Whitney Houston very well. Many enablers were invested in keeping that behavior going for one reason or the other.

She had been doing illicit and prescribed drugs for decades and very few people in the public knew or believed that she was an addict. She would spend tens of thousands of dollars at a time, but at show time, you would never have guessed it ( this is in the early 80's and 90's). You had to know people who knew her personally. She was that good at hiding it and preserving that image . It worked for at least a time. Once the physical signs were evident, ball game over.

Menes said:

morningsong said:

He wasn't a blood relative, but 3 decades is a long time to be around somebody.
I think some people just feel helpless and just haven't reached the turning their back and shutting the person out stage. If we are being realistic.

I can agree with that. We know the story of Whitney Houston very well. Many enablers were invested in keeping that behavior going for one reason or the other.

She had been doing illicit and prescribed drugs for decades and very few people in the public knew or believed that she was an addict. She would spend tens of thousands of dollars at a time, but at show time, you would never have guessed it ( this is in the early 80's and 90's). You had to know people who knew her personally. She was that good at hiding it and preserving that image . It worked for at least a time. Once the physical signs were evident, ball game over.

something to seriously ponder as we peruse those heartbreaking photos...

Bodhitheblackdog said:

:(

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Menes said:

I can agree with that. We know the story of Whitney Houston very well. Many enablers were invested in keeping that behavior going for one reason or the other.

She had been doing illicit and prescribed drugs for decades and very few people in the public knew or believed that she was an addict. She would spend tens of thousands of dollars at a time, but at show time, you would never have guessed it ( this is in the early 80's and 90's). You had to know people who knew her personally. She was that good at hiding it and preserving that image . It worked for at least a time. Once the physical signs were evident, ball game over.

something to seriously ponder as we peruse those heartbreaking photos...

Indeed. True story... I was in a restaurant one day and Whitney is sitting one table away from me and my friends. I was staring intensely at her because she was incoherent and loud. The makeup was two different tones between the face and the neck. It was as if she had buried her face in a drum barrel full of fashion fair makeup and forgot about the neck area. The weave was cocked to one side and appeared to be matted. This was not the multi-millionaire songstress that I knew.


Her crew is saying nothing to her about the loudness. She began humming a tune of which I could not make any sense of . She would get up , walk around then disappear in the back as if she forgot where she was seated. She would return, clap at certain points, and giggle for no apparent reason. I was trying to process the picture of the beautiful girl who looked like a model in the 80's vs. this person who I was staring at. I wanted to get up and say something to her but the goons seated next to her looked to be in quite good shape. Everything I thought about her was shattered instantaneously. That was the last time I saw her in 2010. She was dead two (2) years after. When you see it, you know it. That last show was everything.

Menes said:

morningsong said:

He wasn't a blood relative, but 3 decades is a long time to be around somebody.
I think some people just feel helpless and just haven't reached the turning their back and shutting the person out stage. If we are being realistic.

I can agree with that. We know the story of Whitney Houston very well. Many enablers were invested in keeping that behavior going for one reason or the other.

She had been doing illicit and prescribed drugs for decades and very few people in the public knew or believed that she was an addict. She would spend tens of thousands of dollars at a time, but at show time, you would never have guessed it ( this is in the early 80's and 90's). You had to know people who knew her personally. She was that good at hiding it and preserving that image . It worked for at least a time. Once the physical signs were evident, ball game over.

Okay, I am uncomfortable with the word "enabler" , not because I don't believe they exist but until I know for sure, just tagging people doesn't make it so. I brought up people's children because you can't get much closer and be more helpless, and yet I wouldn't tag every parent in that situation as an enabler, but maybe that's so, I'm no expert at any of this.

We knew about Whitney's issues years before she died, and it did obviously and seriously affect her and her ability to perform. We just thought she was getting needed help as opposed to slipping back. I wouldn't say she's a good example of someone who hid it as well.

morningsong said:

Menes said:

I can agree with that. We know the story of Whitney Houston very well. Many enablers were invested in keeping that behavior going for one reason or the other.

She had been doing illicit and prescribed drugs for decades and very few people in the public knew or believed that she was an addict. She would spend tens of thousands of dollars at a time, but at show time, you would never have guessed it ( this is in the early 80's and 90's). You had to know people who knew her personally. She was that good at hiding it and preserving that image . It worked for at least a time. Once the physical signs were evident, ball game over.

Okay, I am uncomfortable with the word "enabler" , not because I don't believe they exist but until I know for sure, just tagging people doesn't make it so. I brought up people's children because you can't get much closer and be more helpless, and yet I wouldn't tag every parent in that situation as an enabler, but maybe that's so, I'm no expert at any of this.

We knew about Whitney's issues years before she died, and it did obviously and seriously affect her and her ability to perform. We just thought she was getting needed help as opposed to slipping back. I wouldn't say she's a good example of someone who hid it as well.

When you saw Whitney in the 80's, did you think or believe that she was doing anything in the 80's? I surely didn't.

Menes said:

morningsong said:

He wasn't a blood relative, but 3 decades is a long time to be around somebody.
I think some people just feel helpless and just haven't reached the turning their back and shutting the person out stage. If we are being realistic.

I can agree with that. We know the story of Whitney Houston very well. Many enablers were invested in keeping that behavior going for one reason or the other.

She had been doing illicit and prescribed drugs for decades and very few people in the public knew or believed that she was an addict. She would spend tens of thousands of dollars at a time, but at show time, you would never have guessed it ( this is in the early 80's and 90's). You had to know people who knew her personally. She was that good at hiding it and preserving that image . It worked for at least a time. Once the physical signs were evident, ball game over.

Are you kidding? . Everybody knew Whitney was on drugs. She was terrible with her skinny self and in the last decade of her life she had destroyed her voice. She was always a poor live performer almost as if she did not want to be on the stage. I think she terrible at hiding her problems.

She married Bobby Brown and pipe heads hang together. If on one figured out by then I have no words for the level of cluelessness. No one can continue to function at a good level on drugs. I am not sure why this myth continues. Prince did five times the work Whitney did and she could barely make it.

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Menes said:

morningsong said:

Okay, I am uncomfortable with the word "enabler" , not because I don't believe they exist but until I know for sure, just tagging people doesn't make it so. I brought up people's children because you can't get much closer and be more helpless, and yet I wouldn't tag every parent in that situation as an enabler, but maybe that's so, I'm no expert at any of this.

We knew about Whitney's issues years before she died, and it did obviously and seriously affect her and her ability to perform. We just thought she was getting needed help as opposed to slipping back. I wouldn't say she's a good example of someone who hid it as well.

When you saw Whitney in the 80's, did you think or believe that she was doing anything in the 80's? I surely didn't.

Nope, not in the 80s but there still were a couple of decades to go before she passed and we all saw it as plain as day within that time.

morningsong said:

Menes said:

When you saw Whitney in the 80's, did you think or believe that she was doing anything in the 80's? I surely didn't.

Nope, not in the 80s but there still were a couple of decades to go before she passed and we all saw it as plain as day within that time.

Thank you by the early 90s it was obvious. When you think about it she was toast in only a few years. She did not have no almost 40 year run like Prince had.

morningsong said:

Menes said:

When you saw Whitney in the 80's, did you think or believe that she was doing anything in the 80's? I surely didn't.

Nope, not in the 80s but there still were a couple of decades to go before she passed and we all saw it as plain as day within that time.

Well she's been doing a lot of drugs for decades. How about in the 90's? Did you see it then? Did you ever go to one of her concerts in that 20 year period?

Menes said:

morningsong said:

Nope, not in the 80s but there still were a couple of decades to go before she passed and we all saw it as plain as day within that time.

Well she's been doing a lot of drugs for decades. How about in the 90's? Did you see it then? Did you ever go to one of her concerts in that 20 year period?

By 2001 the entire world knew.

morningsong said:

Menes said:

Well she's been doing a lot of drugs for decades. How about in the 90's? Did you see it then? Did you ever go to one of her concerts in that 20 year period?

By 2001 the entire world knew.

Did you go to a concert of hers in the 90's?

Menes said:

morningsong said:

By 2001 the entire world knew.

Did you go to a concert of hers in the 90's?

Nope. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

morningsong said:

Menes said:

Did you go to a concert of hers in the 90's?

Nope. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

Have you ever attended a Rolling Stone concert?

Menes said:

morningsong said:

Nope. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

Have you ever attended a Rolling Stone concert?

Yeah. Am I taking a survey now?

morningsong said:

Menes said:

Have you ever attended a Rolling Stone concert?

Yeah. Am I taking a survey now?

No. Were you able to tell by the way Keith Richards played the guitar( notes, chords, runs, riffs) that he was a long time user of heroin?