Because U felt the need to announce it.
I amended my post: the bubble that Prince fans need to step away from is that racial one about Police How much is it this time?
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announcing it would have been something like starting an actual thread about it. I simply made a comment in a thread as to what I thought about you. I don't think Prince cares about what you need or don't need him to say. I hope he starts caring even less. | |
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Album Matter HitNRun
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that's awesome. I'll bet you have gb's of prince pics | |
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Come on let's be honest here. It isn't race baiting because anytime Prince whispers the term 'Black' or say anything in relation to that, or promotes a Black artist, many fans 'act out' so-to-speak, in many ways, and sometimes very, ugly ways in this forum. We've seen that happen all over this forum for many years. I think some fans just get pissed if Prince shows interest or concern towards the Black community or care about Black artists ownership of music. I believe many of Prince's fans never accepted prince as a Black musician, because of the music he played and during the early 80s, he surrounded himself with many non-Black musicians, girlfriends and wives, but none of that dismissed the fact folks that he was still Black, the whole time. When did some of you miss that? He may not have portrayed that to some fans who have a delusional idea of how a Black man's image/character is or should be, but at the end of the day...in 2015 he is still a musician who happens to be....wait get ready....wait for the drumroll.....who happens to be .... BLACK. So should he not express the reason behind hooking up with Tidal? He was trying to explain the importance of Black ownership in the music industry, and how that has to be protected and supported, and apparently he gave quite an example that pissed some folks off..because now we're having a 2-day discussion on it. So really, what is everybody all upset about? Lol. [Edited 9/5/15 13:02pm] | |
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So let me get this straight; because you've followed him since 82, been to several concerts, own each album 3 times over, etc., etc., and because he was "raceless" in the past, his speaking out about race now is playing...the race card? LMAO
See, this is why there can never be an adult discussion aroudn these things. I sincerely hope Prince becomes more amd nore adamant about acticulating these messages.
And I really think Prince recognizes this about his past and this is a delibrate attempt to divest himself of this exact type of thinking from his fans. This one post perfectly captures the issue with these threads and, IMHO, his fan base.
I'm hoping that he's thinking along the lines of, if you want to live in the past, more power to you. But I'm moving on, if you don't want to hang, peace out. Maybe he does recognize the whole race thing he pulled in the past, but you have to admit, he talks about this way too much. How are black artist suffering these days? They're the highest paid and biggest sellers in the industry. He always brings up race while talking about his music or contracts. Now, if wants to just discuss the problem with racism as a whole, then so be it. But just lay off trying to connect it to him and his music, or the music of other black artists. | |
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he said what? He must be over using that Paco Rabinni becasue his mind is fried... funny how he is all anti gun and anti police but hires cops with guns at his shows.... "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" | |
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Prince was never "raceless". he's been black since 1958. | |
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Yes, and it is ridiculous. | |
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No, he talks about it way to little. you obviously don't understand what he's saying if your rationale for why he shouldn't be doing this around music is that black artists are " the highest paid and biggest sellers in the industry". And he brings up race in the context through which he views it...should he bring it up around something he's not a player in? Astrophysics perhaps? It's laughable that your issue is that he's relating it to music, which has literally been his life. | |
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I'm quoting this from the link below about Tidal
Now I think Prince could have really connected with this part, because it sorta has connection with his long term campaign for artists owning their own music. That line ^ vs the Police line... . Albums. Remember those? Albums still matter. albums still matter. Tonight and always,"
. Prince’s new album HITNRUN will be a Tidal exclusiveWritten byon Friday, August 7 2015“(Fans) care about black-owned, don’t they? Go over (to other services) if you want.
Our VerdictTidal is a superb music streaming service, ideal for anyone with a penchant for hi-fidelity audio. For everyone else, it's worth taking up the one week trial to see if the added quality is worth the extra cash. For
Against
Tidal has changed since we first reviewed it seven months ago. It used to be a plucky new underdog from the makers of WiMP in Sweden, a Spotify-like streaming service with a unique focus on CD-quality music. It was a shining beacon of opportunity for music lovers who coveted sound quality over everything else; a chance to combine the convenience and mobility of Spotify with the fidelity and prestige of a CD collection. But while Spotify remains to this day a plucky upstart from Sweden, albeit a rather popular one these days, Tidal has since been acquired by little-known rap star "Jay Z" (ahem) for 56 million American dollars. Tidal is consequently now the first major music service to be owned by artists themselves, and claims to pay higher royalties to artists and songwriters. Whether it actually does that or not is unproven, and certainly the controversial American relaunch earlier in 2015 - during which Jay Z dished out shares in the service live on stage not to young, up-and-coming musicians but to some of the wealthiest artists on the planet including wife Beyoncé, Coldplay and Madonna - is seen by some as a curious way of achieving its stated aim. But whatever your opinion on that, Tidal as a CD-quality alternative to Spotify and a high-quality rival to Deezer Elite remains a compelling proposition and one thoroughly worthy of your consideration.
How much does Tidal cost?When it launched at the back-end of 2014, Tidal cost £19.99/$19.99 for the CD quality service, but seven months on, the service now operates a two-tier system. Tidal Premium now matches Spotify's Premium price of 9.99 per month and offers music at the same bitrate - 320kbps. That's lossy but still not too bad compared to an MP3 at a lower bitrate. To get the "lossless high fidelity" sound Tidal hangs its hat on, you'll still need to shell out 19.99 a month for a "Tidal HiFi" membership.
http://www.techradar.com/us/reviews/audio-visual/hi-fi-and-audio/music/tidal-1270607/review
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this is in line with right-wingers saying that because Obama wants sensible gun control, then he should remove his bodyguards or take their guns. What passes for logic these days is is simply heartbreaking. | |
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they should feel extremely priveleged...for a couple different reasons | |
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pdiddy2011 said:
Wow, you get upset when you don't get your way!
Cherry picking? You spoke to Prince's credibility - which speaks to qualification. I apologize for using a word you didn't approve of beforehand.
If people keep using "All Lives Matter" the way it has been lately, that "reaction" could easily be labled a movement - but you call it what you like. You claim it is a reaction by "reasoned people"; actions/activities by a group of people many times make up what is referred to as a "movement", but hey, you're the wordsmith.
We obviously look at the "All Lives Matter", "reaction", as you put it, completely differently. I look at the reaction as an offense taken by people who feel they've been insulted because some people in their race are being called on the carpet for their racist behavior. "All Lives Matter" wants to focus on unity? I don't think so. "All Lives Matter" wants to be offended instead of saying yes, there's a problem, let's fix it.
Next, I believe the Black Lives Matter initiative began after the Trayvon Martin incident (not the Michael Brown incident you referenced as the beginning of the movement); it continued in the wake of the Michael Brown incident.
I don't have to race bait. The issues are the issues. If there isn't a racial inequality/police discrimination/profiling issue, you tell me and back that up with some evidence. Making a statement to further awareness and meaningful change is about helping your community and being a good citizen. Just because some people don't want to hear it doesn't make it race baiting.
Race baiting tends to involve anger and intimidation. Which one of us, between me and you, really sounds like a race baiter? [Edited 9/5/15 8:28am] [Edited 9/5/15 8:29am] You are correct, BLM started after Trayvon was murdered, not when Mike Brown was murdered. Off-topic for just a bit but: I believe the reason why many don't get the 'BLM' term, is because they are not making an effort to understand the reason behind the phrase. They allow their egos to get in the way of comprehending it. If all lives mattered, then bad police wouldn't immediately use the shoot-to-kill tactic, towards unarmed Black males, upon 1st approach, if they didn't already have a negative, stereotyped mindset of Bkack males possibly being armed. If they were properly trained and some cops not bring their stereotyped views of all unarmed Black males, to the job, and instead, use trained, alternative measures, as many do when they approach unarmed, non-Black males, then maybe there would be a different public reaction to these situations, but it's been too much of s pattern over the years. That's just the hard truth. [Edited 9/5/15 13:43pm] | |
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when someone like prince says take all the guns away i say You first. and you are misuing the word logic... "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" | |
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"Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" | |
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So this must be the documentary Murph and Babynoz were talking about that was shown on the History Channel. Maybe this will help educate some of you on what Prince was talking about. Here is some info on t.
: ' https://www.fsu.edu/news/...e.patrols/ [Edited 9/5/15 14:46pm] | |
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OnlyNDaUsa said:
My comment stays. If you don't like it, that's just too bad. It won't change. You can take your grievance to P&R. [Edited 9/5/15 14:06pm] | |
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lol this is a headshaker. he's a songwriter. they use their imagination. When he sings about a blue sailboat taking you away from your dreams he's not being literal. maybe in this instance he's singing about what a world would be like if there were no guns as there'd be a shitload less violence in the world even though he knows it's an impossiblity | |
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i am sure there were slave catchers but it is just silly to say that before slavery in North America there was no such thing as police. Now maybe what prince meant to say was prior to such there were few such officials in the colonies or country but there were police... and remember prince also claims that George Washington was not the first president of the united states because under the AOC there was a position with a similar name... and he belives in chem trails too... he is delusional and a conspiracy loon.
I bet he also thinks that slavery of afericans was invented by white people...
and that Black people were once legaly only 3/5 of a person "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" | |
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OnlyNDaUsa said: i am sure there were slave catchers but it is just silly to say that before slavery in North America there was no such thing as police. Now maybe what prince meant to say was prior to such there were few such officials in the colonies or country but there were police... and remember prince also claims that George Washington was not the first president of the united states because under the AOC there was a position with a similar name... and he belives in chem trails too... he is delusional and a conspiracy loon.
I bet he also thinks that slavery of afericans was invented by white people...
and that Black people were once legaly only 3/5 of a person No, the problem is that many Americans get pissed off anytime some bring up how whites owned African slaves in this country. No other country is responsible for what happened on American soil but those who took part in the acts of slavery, abuse, terror, and the racist laws that was created. It is best not to sugarcoat what happened on American soil, by trying to downplay, sugarcoat or put blame on another country, for what people 'in' this country did to others here. [Edited 9/5/15 14:04pm] | |
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I certainly agree with your sentiment in general. | |
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white lies matter | |
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If Prince had said "a lot of police departments started as slave catchers" or "slavery was one of the most important factors in the development of this country's law enforcement," then I think some people here (including me) would be totally fine with his statement. But he gave an oversimplified, dumber down, and inaccurate version of history. YES, slavery was a huge factor in police history. And YES, protecting the property of whites played a critical role in the mission of many police departments. But that's not the whole story. He presented it like it was. An incomplete truth is still not the truth. As far as people saying Prince doesn't have the right to talk about racial issues, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this site. He has the right to talk about anything he wants. And he hasn't been able to escape the effects of institutional racism and white privilege just because he's had a successful career in popular music. That's not how systemic racism works. To summarize, I like it when Prince addresses critical current events. But when he oversimplifies, I find it grating. "Drop that stereo before I blow your Goddamn nuts off, asshole!"
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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I would remind you that he also has black, white, men and women in the band he is working with as we speak. That wasn't limited to the Revolultion and there's absolutely nothing here to be upset about. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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prince can not play the race card... he has no concept of what it is to be human much less experience hardship. his childhood is so long forgotten he can not cling to that....His own brother said as soon as he got his first record deal he was a different person. "Keep on shilling for Big Pharm!" | |
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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