He'll get over it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

thesoulbrother said:

Let me play devil's advocate here for a moment. Prince is full of shit. He is always talking about linking contracts to slavery and it pisses me off each and everytime he does that. I think what people fail to grasp is that back in 1993, Prince was given a 7-year, $100 million deal. With that kind of money Prince had the potential to do some wonderful and amazing things. Not to mention, in 1985 he had his own label, Paisley Park. Michael Jackson, the number one entertainer in the world, didn't have his own label in 1985. Instead of Prince using the leverage and the tools (and the money) that he had to bless the music world with some real talent and some real music, he released bullshit from people like Dale Bozzio and Carmen Electra.

So he gets "free" and changes his name to that ridiculous symbol but scrawls "slave" on his face and becomes militant. Get the fuck outta here, man. Now all of a sudden you black? For the record I have never seen Prince with a black woman as a love interest in any of his videos, with the exception of Troy Beyer in Three Chains O' Gold but who the fuck saw it? Prince again raised all this commotion about wanting to "free the music" only to put out schlock like Newpower Soul and Larry Graham's forgettable GCS2000. Again, he had the power to be so far ahead of the game with his 1-800-NEW-FUNK and his NPG Music Club sites but he dropped the ball. He self-sabotaged his own shit before it even had a chance to grow and catch on. Everytime Prince innovated something like selling a concert ticket with a CD or selling his own singles on his site, he walked away from it. That's his own undoing.

I just find it laughable that he wants to compare record labels and contracts to slavery but yet The Time and The Family couldn't even use their own name. Regardless of whatever legal situations that entails, two of his most popular groups have to change their names just so they can go out and perform. Now what kind of sense does that make? You're gonna deny your own artists the right to use their name so they can make a living? But you wanna talk slavery? Negro please.

As far as I'm concerned, it makes no difference is he releases this album on Tidal, Spotify, iTunes, Google Play, the traditional way, or if he gives this motherfucker away. It won't mean jack shit if it's not good. Plectrumelectrum did 33,000 copies and Art Official Age did 66,000 which equals wood and double wood respectively. Jocking Jay Z will not make the masses flock to Tidal to buy his new album. Furthermore, saying silly shit in the press before the release of an album to sound pseudo-intellectual won't do any good either. The bottom line is Prince is one bitter motherfucker still trying to hold on to what little relevancy he has left in a world that passed him by years ago. This is the same artist who fought the record label tooth and nail to get his masters and now that he has them?

Don't worry. I'll wait.

^^^^^^ I might have 2 side with the devil here

Prince might not like it though

OldFriends4Sale said:

BlackandRising said:

what's dishonest about it? I personally don't think that at this point he's referring to himself with these musings, but at the system as a whole and how it treats minorities in general. I personally don't think making music these days is as important to him as effecting change in the industry.

Sorry but in each one he is connecting the music industry

Albums Matter, remember those? like books and black lives... AOA newly out

the last statement he made about blacks policing themselves or having their own police dept was connected to this new musical venture with Tidal.

This post's quote is the same.

Dreamer, Dear Mr. Man, Family Name and many others deal with this topic.

filthyrichyuppie said:

BlackandRising said:

you're inferring immaturity after answering questions the way you do? With each post, it became more and more obvious as to what kind of person you are. You didn't understand my answers, so now your posts have devolved to this.

You're asking questions about questions and...in the same breath...complain about devolution. Wow.

you should re-read my posts, which you obviously didn't read before. I never asked you any questions outside of asking if you understood something, as it's obvious you'd have no answers to provide. And I didn't complain about "devolution", I stated that your posts devolved into the last one I responded to. That's not a complaint, it was a statement.

suzysix said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Sorry but in each one he is connecting the music industry

Albums Matter, remember those? like books and black lives... AOA newly out

the last statement he made about blacks policing themselves or having their own police dept was connected to this new musical venture with Tidal.

This post's quote is the same.

Dreamer, Dear Mr. Man, Family Name and many others deal with this topic.

what do you mean? Prince has always had some degree of commentary in his music.

We are talking about 3 recent comments this year where he connects his continued issues with the Music Industry with recent (racial/cop) insidents

BlackandRising said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

You're asking questions about questions and...in the same breath...complain about devolution. Wow.

you should re-read my posts, which you obviously didn't read before. I never asked you any questions outside of asking if you understood something, as it's obvious you'd have no answers to provide. And I didn't complain about "devolution", I stated that your posts devolved into the last one I responded to. That's not a complaint, it was a statement.

I've lost interest to be honest...I can't keep repeating myself. You haven't listened to a word I've said. If you had, you wouldn't need to send out clueless missives asking why you haven't been answered. The only thing left to do is make fun of you...

I invite all of you to post on Politics and Religion threads. We have lots of fun debating issues there. Yes, I usually win. haha

filthyrichyuppie said:

BlackandRising said:

you should re-read my posts, which you obviously didn't read before. I never asked you any questions outside of asking if you understood something, as it's obvious you'd have no answers to provide. And I didn't complain about "devolution", I stated that your posts devolved into the last one I responded to. That's not a complaint, it was a statement.

I've lost interest to be honest...I can't keep repeating myself. You haven't listened to a word I've said. If you had, you wouldn't need to send out clueless missives asking why you haven't been answered. The only thing left to do is make fun of you...

then stop replying. you can't keep repeating yourself as you haven't said anything.

2freaky4church1 said:

I invite all of you to post on Politics and Religion threads. We have lots of fun debating issues there. Yes, I usually win. haha

I love wannabe moderators. They're kinda like reserve police officers, in a way.

BlackandRising said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

I've lost interest to be honest...I can't keep repeating myself. You haven't listened to a word I've said. If you had, you wouldn't need to send out clueless missives asking why you haven't been answered. The only thing left to do is make fun of you...

then stop replying. you can't keep repeating yourself as you haven't said anything.

On a forum? Another concept that seems to have escaped you.

filthyrichyuppie said:

BlackandRising said:

then stop replying. you can't keep repeating yourself as you haven't said anything.

On a forum? Another concept that seems to have escaped you.

lol you said you lost interest and that you can't keep repeating yourself, but here you are. I just wanted to see if you'd reply again.

filthyrichyuppie said:

CharismaDove said:

filthyrichyuppie said: You're free to think that way. It doesn't change the fact that Black Americans aren't treated right. Have a nice day.

You connected your own illusions to how black Americans are treated. Wow. I'm impressed.

What 'illusions'? Do you think that my claim that black Americans aren't treated right is just an 'illusion'? If so, then whatever. I've fought with you before, and you're extremely close-minded and never answer questions, instead preferring to add snide remarks.

filthyrichyuppie said:

suzysix said:

SAY that!

She just did.

*he.

pdiddy2011 said:

CharismaDove said:

The replies to this are so much different than most race topics you could search up on this site dating from 2005-07ish.. And this is an American issue, so I fail to see the posts about how "I don't care because I'm not American" is even relevant.

And if you are American and really think there's no racism towards Black Americans, screw yourself.

We know there's a lot of noble police officers out there. That doesn't change the fact that some of them fucking abuse their power and target innocent Black Americans and treat them lesser EVERY DAY. Some people on this board seem more upset about how "it's not all cops!1" than the actual reason cops are under nationwide scrutiny right now in the first place. Of course there are valiant cops out there who save people's lives and are good people.. that doesn't ersase the fact there are a huge # of horrible ones out there, so instead of derailing the subject to "not all cops do it", let's focus on and stop the cops who DO do it.

Why so many people get tensed up when Prince talks about black rights is beyond me. Maybe you miss the Prince that seemed 'multicultural and multigender', but black rights are a HUGE thing, and not at all surprising that he supports and talks about them.

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I really think your last sentence is a big deal with many Prince fans. Because Prince seemed "colorless" and sometimes "politically all-inclusive" in his younger days, he picked up fans from all walks of life. Some of those fans seem to get a bit ticked off when Prince specifically asserts his blackness and speaks specifically to his black values.

[Edited 9/4/15 9:37am]

forreal..

BlackandRising said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

On a forum? Another concept that seems to have escaped you.

lol you said you lost interest and that you can't keep repeating yourself, but here you are. I just wanted to see if you'd reply again.

Lol this guy is unbelievable. He's not worth debating with because all he does is try and keep the argument alive even if it's over, going as much as possible, responding no matter what. He seems incapable of understanding simple statements.

[Edited 9/4/15 13:15pm]

BlackandRising said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

On a forum? Another concept that seems to have escaped you.

lol you said you lost interest and that you can't keep repeating yourself, but here you are. I just wanted to see if you'd reply again.

Well, I haven't lost interested in making fun of you. That'll never happen.

CharismaDove said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

You connected your own illusions to how black Americans are treated. Wow. I'm impressed.

What 'illusions'? Do you think that my claim that black Americans aren't treated right is just an 'illusion'? If so, then whatever. I've fought with you before, and you're extremely close-minded and never answer questions, instead preferring to add snide remarks.

How's your comprehension these days? Your belief in a celestial dictator is the illusion I'm refering to. Conflating your illusion with the plight of black Americans seems to be pushing it a bit much don't you think?

CharismaDove said:

BlackandRising said:

lol you said you lost interest and that you can't keep repeating yourself, but here you are. I just wanted to see if you'd reply again.

Lol this guy is unbelievable. He's not worth debating with because all he does is try and keep the argument alive even if it's over, going as much as possible, responding no matter what. He seems incapable of understanding simple statements.

[Edited 9/4/15 13:15pm]

Yeah, I know. I'm having the same issues with him as well.

CharismaDove said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

She just did.

*he.

Sorry, the name CharismaDove sounds very feminine.

BlackandRising said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

He should just make music

bad businessman, who when he had his label it was shut down because people did not get paid

He isn't a good example of people owning lol

I personally think he's at a stage where his role should not simply be making music. Race was written when? Attitudes, thoughts, etc., change as we grow. I thought Race was a great message back in the day. Now I think it's wholly naive. And on the contrary, I think he's finally using the past to focus on what needs to be done in/for the future. What's the old adage about forgetting the past and being doomed to repeat it?

[Edited 9/4/15 11:28am]

Maybe, but I really don't understand how bringing up 'police were created to protect the property of white folks' is of any relevancy to sorting out the issue that America faces right now. I don't see how it is promting change?? And to be fair I don't think using a statement that has clearly offended/alienated some of his fans here is going to prompt them to want to change it either. You don't change situations like this by vilifying (even subtly) a whole race of people.

This is why I dislike identity based politics, I feel it just paints people with too broad of a brush rather than viewing them as a complex set of individuals.

thesoulbrother said:

thesoulbrother said:

Let me play devil's advocate here for a moment. Prince is full of shit. He is always talking about linking contracts to slavery and it pisses me off each and everytime he does that. I think what people fail to grasp is that back in 1993, Prince was given a 7-year, $100 million deal. With that kind of money Prince had the potential to do some wonderful and amazing things. Not to mention, in 1985 he had his own label, Paisley Park. Michael Jackson, the number one entertainer in the world, didn't have his own label in 1985. Instead of Prince using the leverage and the tools (and the money) that he had to bless the music world with some real talent and some real music, he released bullshit from people like Dale Bozzio and Carmen Electra.

So he gets "free" and changes his name to that ridiculous symbol but scrawls "slave" on his face and becomes militant. Get the fuck outta here, man. Now all of a sudden you black? For the record I have never seen Prince with a black woman as a love interest in any of his videos, with the exception of Troy Beyer in Three Chains O' Gold but who the fuck saw it? Prince again raised all this commotion about wanting to "free the music" only to put out schlock like Newpower Soul and Larry Graham's forgettable GCS2000. Again, he had the power to be so far ahead of the game with his 1-800-NEW-FUNK and his NPG Music Club sites but he dropped the ball. He self-sabotaged his own shit before it even had a chance to grow and catch on. Everytime Prince innovated something like selling a concert ticket with a CD or selling his own singles on his site, he walked away from it. That's his own undoing.

I just find it laughable that he wants to compare record labels and contracts to slavery but yet The Time and The Family couldn't even use their own name. Regardless of whatever legal situations that entails, two of his most popular groups have to change their names just so they can go out and perform. Now what kind of sense does that make? You're gonna deny your own artists the right to use their name so they can make a living? But you wanna talk slavery? Negro please.

As far as I'm concerned, it makes no difference is he releases this album on Tidal, Spotify, iTunes, Google Play, the traditional way, or if he gives this motherfucker away. It won't mean jack shit if it's not good. Plectrumelectrum did 33,000 copies and Art Official Age did 66,000 which equals wood and double wood respectively. Jocking Jay Z will not make the masses flock to Tidal to buy his new album. Furthermore, saying silly shit in the press before the release of an album to sound pseudo-intellectual won't do any good either. The bottom line is Prince is one bitter motherfucker still trying to hold on to what little relevancy he has left in a world that passed him by years ago. This is the same artist who fought the record label tooth and nail to get his masters and now that he has them?

Don't worry. I'll wait.

Wow...you really broke it down! Excellent post!

bashraka said:

he's right about that the whole USA is racist and it was created out of racist and evil system that still stands.

filthyrichyuppie said:

CharismaDove said:

What 'illusions'? Do you think that my claim that black Americans aren't treated right is just an 'illusion'? If so, then whatever. I've fought with you before, and you're extremely close-minded and never answer questions, instead preferring to add snide remarks.

How's your comprehension these days? Your belief in a celestial dictator is the illusion I'm refering to. Conflating your illusion with the plight of black Americans seems to be pushing it a bit much don't you think?

You really need to let things go. I believe in God. Why the FUCK is that eating at you so badly? Just get over it, bro. If you say God's an illusion, cool. I surrender, you win. Now please for heaven's sake shut the fuck up about it. I thought you were over it after the other thread got locked. And btw, it has nothing to do with the plight of Black Americans, which you cannot deny is REAL.

[Edited 9/4/15 15:10pm]

[Edited 9/4/15 15:12pm]

filthyrichyuppie said:

CharismaDove said:

Lol this guy is unbelievable. He's not worth debating with because all he does is try and keep the argument alive even if it's over, going as much as possible, responding no matter what. He seems incapable of understanding simple statements.

[Edited 9/4/15 13:15pm]

Yeah, I know. I'm having the same issues with him as well.

Actually, it was about you and how you refuse to stop rehashing old shit for no reason and arguing simply for the sake of arguing.

filthyrichyuppie said:

CharismaDove said:

*he.

Sorry, the name CharismaDove sounds very feminine.

No problem, now you know

If Prince is right, what's wrong with that?

Stop the thieves!

thesoulbrother said:

Let me play devil's advocate here for a moment. Prince is full of shit. He is always talking about linking contracts to slavery and it pisses me off each and everytime he does that. I think what people fail to grasp is that back in 1993, Prince was given a 7-year, $100 million deal. With that kind of money Prince had the potential to do some wonderful and amazing things. Not to mention, in 1985 he had his own label, Paisley Park. Michael Jackson, the number one entertainer in the world, didn't have his own label in 1985. Instead of Prince using the leverage and the tools (and the money) that he had to bless the music world with some real talent and some real music, he released bullshit from people like Dale Bozzio and Carmen Electra.

So he gets "free" and changes his name to that ridiculous symbol but scrawls "slave" on his face and becomes militant. Get the fuck outta here, man. Now all of a sudden you black? For the record I have never seen Prince with a black woman as a love interest in any of his videos, with the exception of Troy Beyer in Three Chains O' Gold but who the fuck saw it? Prince again raised all this commotion about wanting to "free the music" only to put out schlock like Newpower Soul and Larry Graham's forgettable GCS2000. Again, he had the power to be so far ahead of the game with his 1-800-NEW-FUNK and his NPG Music Club sites but he dropped the ball. He self-sabotaged his own shit before it even had a chance to grow and catch on. Everytime Prince innovated something like selling a concert ticket with a CD or selling his own singles on his site, he walked away from it. That's his own undoing.

I just find it laughable that he wants to compare record labels and contracts to slavery but yet The Time and The Family couldn't even use their own name. Regardless of whatever legal situations that entails, two of his most popular groups have to change their names just so they can go out and perform. Now what kind of sense does that make? You're gonna deny your own artists the right to use their name so they can make a living? But you wanna talk slavery? Negro please.

As far as I'm concerned, it makes no difference is he releases this album on Tidal, Spotify, iTunes, Google Play, the traditional way, or if he gives this motherfucker away. It won't mean jack shit if it's not good. Plectrumelectrum did 33,000 copies and Art Official Age did 66,000 which equals wood and double wood respectively. Jocking Jay Z will not make the masses flock to Tidal to buy his new album. Furthermore, saying silly shit in the press before the release of an album to sound pseudo-intellectual won't do any good either. The bottom line is Prince is one bitter motherfucker still trying to hold on to what little relevancy he has left in a world that passed him by years ago. This is the same artist who fought the record label tooth and nail to get his masters and now that he has them?

Don't worry. I'll wait.

Even though I agree with a lot of the points you made, I don't think what Prince said can really lead us to that conclusion. Just my honest opinion.

[Edited 9/4/15 15:27pm]

iZsaZsa said: