EFFDUBB said:

Screw any of you racist punks for not wanting to deal with the truth to the wickedness of racism. Prince isn't speaking about the police in the Netherlands or any other place except America in this instance. You don't live here, and don't know the gravity of what happens here. You never had to truly deal with racism so you talk out of your ass. You hate that Prince is a grown ass man and not your little music slave. He is a person first, musician second. The police were and still are a big instrument for the institution and support of an evil ideology called white supremacy. If the truth hurts don't get mad at Prince. Address the evil bastards that started all of this racist evil terrorist shit. Call out the evil racist terrorists who spent and continue to spend ridiculous amounts of resources to terrorize another group of people so they can have a genetic advantage. That's what racism truly is. It's the need and desire for a genetic advantage in the world. If you don't have experience of police officers terrorizing you then just say it's never happened to you, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened to others. You love the police so much because they've been right by you for the most part. But they haven't been right by everyone. That's the silly assumption you make when you think of the police. It's inaccurate. They're selective about whom they treat with respect and dignity. And most times the unselected are not white. So when those who have been terrorized by the police speak on it, you struggle to believe your precious little protector can be so evil. The truth is...THEY CAN.

Thank you so fucking much for this post. I was beginning to lose hope about this thread..

EFFDUBB said:

darkroman said:

I don't know why Prince needs to use race to try to sell his relationship with Tidal.

Isn't that just outdated politics? The USA is and always has been made up of multi-national communities. Surely, it's time they all got on together and stopped blaming 'white' people for all their problems. Move on!

To imply other groups of people are just blaming white people for all of their problems shows how ignorant you are. Have you talked to any of these people? Are you acting like the laws of our country didn't give white people an advantage over other peoples? Why did they want a genetic advantage? Has there ever been a law that makes it illegal for white people to read in this country? Has the police ever shot white people because they're white? Have the police every targeted white people specifically to harrass?

For real. So tired of that bullshit 'what about the white people?' sentiment. I know at least a hundred nice white people so when someone is talking about 'white privilege' it's not an insult to them. White privilege is extremely prevalent in America.

EFFDUBB said:

RJOrion said:

i love it when Prince gets on his pro-Black, or so-called "conspiracy theory" shit ...

its a healthy, natural progression for a brother his age, and has been a long time coming...black men of that age, have seen, heard, and have been exposed to alot of social and political injustice in their lives, whether they themselves have dealt with it personally, or through others...he has every right to speak on these things, and as a black man of his age and prominence, its his DUTY to do so

Seriously. In an ideal world, we can talk about how "everyone is equal" and "slavery was a long time ago." But this doesn't change the fact that Prince, as a 57 year old black man, has experienced racism in his life. I recall the quote when Tyka said that she and Prince used to be bullied as kids for being one of the few blacks in Minnesota.

The replies to this are so much different than most race topics you could search up on this site dating from 2005-07ish.. And this is an American issue, so I fail to see the posts about how "I don't care because I'm not American" is even relevant.

And if you are American and really think there's no racism towards Black Americans, screw yourself.

We know there's a lot of noble police officers out there. That doesn't change the fact that some of them fucking abuse their power and target innocent Black Americans and treat them lesser EVERY DAY. Some people on this board seem more upset about how "it's not all cops!1" than the actual reason cops are under nationwide scrutiny right now in the first place. Of course there are valiant cops out there who save people's lives and are good people.. that doesn't ersase the fact there are a huge # of horrible ones out there, so instead of derailing the subject to "not all cops do it", let's focus on and stop the cops who DO do it.

Why so many people get tensed up when Prince talks about black rights is beyond me. Maybe you miss the Prince that seemed 'multicultural and multigender', but black rights are a HUGE thing, and not at all surprising that he supports and talks about them.

[Edited 9/4/15 9:14am]

The police were designed to patrol and round up slaves, WebSheriff was designed to patrol and round up masters.

CharismaDove said:

The replies to this are so much different than most race topics you could search up on this site dating from 2005-07ish.. And this is an American issue, so I fail to see the posts about how "I don't care because I'm not American" is even relevant.

And if you are American and really think there's no racism towards Black Americans, screw yourself.

We know there's a lot of noble police officers out there. That doesn't change the fact that some of them fucking abuse their power and target innocent Black Americans and treat them lesser EVERY DAY. Some people on this board seem more upset about how "it's not all cops!1" than the actual reason cops are under nationwide scrutiny right now in the first place. Of course there are valiant cops out there who save people's lives and are good people.. that doesn't ersase the fact there are a huge # of horrible ones out there, so instead of derailing the subject to "not all cops do it", let's focus on and stop the cops who DO do it.

Why so many people get tensed up when Prince talks about black rights is beyond me. Maybe you miss the Prince that seemed 'multicultural and multigender', but black rights are a HUGE thing, and not at all surprising that he supports and talks about them.

[Edited 9/4/15 9:14am]

I really think your last sentence is a big deal with many Prince fans. Because Prince seemed "colorless" and sometimes "politically all-inclusive" in his younger days, he picked up fans from all walks of life. Some of those fans seem to get a bit ticked off when Prince specifically asserts his blackness and speaks specifically to his black values.

[Edited 9/4/15 9:37am]

CharismaDove said:

EFFDUBB said:

Screw any of you racist punks for not wanting to deal with the truth to the wickedness of racism. Prince isn't speaking about the police in the Netherlands or any other place except America in this instance. You don't live here, and don't know the gravity of what happens here. You never had to truly deal with racism so you talk out of your ass. You hate that Prince is a grown ass man and not your little music slave. He is a person first, musician second. The police were and still are a big instrument for the institution and support of an evil ideology called white supremacy. If the truth hurts don't get mad at Prince. Address the evil bastards that started all of this racist evil terrorist shit. Call out the evil racist terrorists who spent and continue to spend ridiculous amounts of resources to terrorize another group of people so they can have a genetic advantage. That's what racism truly is. It's the need and desire for a genetic advantage in the world. If you don't have experience of police officers terrorizing you then just say it's never happened to you, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened to others. You love the police so much because they've been right by you for the most part. But they haven't been right by everyone. That's the silly assumption you make when you think of the police. It's inaccurate. They're selective about whom they treat with respect and dignity. And most times the unselected are not white. So when those who have been terrorized by the police speak on it, you struggle to believe your precious little protector can be so evil. The truth is...THEY CAN.

Thank you so fucking much for this post. I was beginning to lose hope about this thread..

Aren't you the one that believes in fairies?

EFFDUBB said:

itsjustaroundthecorner said:

i think i officially hate prince.

more hate for the police when he has no idea how difficult their jobs are. and how he short-sidedly insults brave men and women who try to serve our communities, help protect us and bring justice to victims.

i hate this kind of idiotic speech from someone who's head hasnt been on planet earth in about 30 years.

what a total d*ck

jesus christ Prince.org has become a bastion of anti-thought. Articulating what may have been the impetus of what we now know as law enforcement doesn't diminish what they do by and large now. He's didn't say that the modern version of law enforcement isn't difficult or required; he's simply pointing out, IMHO, one of the things about America that made America, and how the ripples of that system in some ways are still present. In his world, he's using it to bring light to what he feels are the shortcomings of parts of the music industry.

BlackandRising said:

itsjustaroundthecorner said:

i think i officially hate prince.

more hate for the police when he has no idea how difficult their jobs are. and how he short-sidedly insults brave men and women who try to serve our communities, help protect us and bring justice to victims.

i hate this kind of idiotic speech from someone who's head hasnt been on planet earth in about 30 years.

what a total d*ck

jesus christ Prince.org has become a bastion of anti-thought. Articulating what may have been the impetus of what we now know as law enforcement doesn't diminish what they do by and large now. He's didn't say that the modern version of law enforcement isn't difficult or required; he's simply pointing out, IMHO, one of the things about America that made America, and how the ripples of that system in some ways are still present. In his world, he's using it to bring light to what he feels are the shortcomings of parts of the music industry.

Obviously, a lot of what you say must be true. But facts have to play a part too. Prince is saying the Police force was created as a racist institution. This is wrong. Anywone who comes on here and catalogs the number of Police wrongs throughout its history might be right too, but they're not addressing what he said. If you think that there's no difference between the South African apartheid government of the 80's (which really was a racist institution) and the NYPD well, that's what you think.

filthyrichyuppie said:

BlackandRising said:

jesus christ Prince.org has become a bastion of anti-thought. Articulating what may have been the impetus of what we now know as law enforcement doesn't diminish what they do by and large now. He's didn't say that the modern version of law enforcement isn't difficult or required; he's simply pointing out, IMHO, one of the things about America that made America, and how the ripples of that system in some ways are still present. In his world, he's using it to bring light to what he feels are the shortcomings of parts of the music industry.

Obviously, a lot of what you say must be true. But facts have to play a part too. Prince is saying the Police force was created as a racist institution. This is wrong. Anywone who comes on here and catalogs the number of Police wrongs throughout its history might be right too, but they're not addressing what he said. If you think that there's no difference between the South African apartheid government of the 80's (which really was a racist institution) and the NYPD well, that's what you think.

my point is, who are you to say that it is wrong? Here's an article that relates to what he is stating: http://plsonline.eku.edu/...n-policing

To simply say that he is wrong is the height of ignorance, especially when it comes to American history. It's literally whitewashed. That whitewashing is continuing today. Just research the changes to AP History that were recently approved, then tell me that he's "wrong".

BlackandRising said:

itsjustaroundthecorner said:

i think i officially hate prince.

more hate for the police when he has no idea how difficult their jobs are. and how he short-sidedly insults brave men and women who try to serve our communities, help protect us and bring justice to victims.

i hate this kind of idiotic speech from someone who's head hasnt been on planet earth in about 30 years.

what a total d*ck

jesus christ Prince.org has become a bastion of anti-thought. Articulating what may have been the impetus of what we now know as law enforcement doesn't diminish what they do by and large now. He's didn't say that the modern version of law enforcement isn't difficult or required; he's simply pointing out, IMHO, one of the things about America that made America, and how the ripples of that system in some ways are still present. In his world, he's using it to bring light to what he feels are the shortcomings of parts of the music industry.

Prince has made about 2-3 'statements' somehow connected to some current cop issues. But they all are always connected with his Musical venture...

That is what I find dishonest. I have no problem dealing with realities of racial injustice.

Nothing Prince said is connected with the music industry. Black have power in the music industry
Prince had it too, had his own label. Prince isn't the best manager or businessman. Racism wasn't the problem and neither was WB.

Albums Matter, remember those?

BlackandRising said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

Obviously, a lot of what you say must be true. But facts have to play a part too. Prince is saying the Police force was created as a racist institution. This is wrong. Anywone who comes on here and catalogs the number of Police wrongs throughout its history might be right too, but they're not addressing what he said. If you think that there's no difference between the South African apartheid government of the 80's (which really was a racist institution) and the NYPD well, that's what you think.

my point is, who are you to say that it is wrong? Here's an article that relates to what he is stating: http://plsonline.eku.edu/...n-policing

To simply say that he is wrong is the height of ignorance, especially when it comes to American history. It's literally whitewashed. That whitewashing is continuing today. Just research the changes to AP History that were recently approved, then tell me that he's "wrong".

America fucked up. What can I say? As I stated elsewhere, the Police Force was invented not with this in mind. By defintion, it's not racist. Is this really hard to understand?

filthyrichyuppie said:

BlackandRising said:

my point is, who are you to say that it is wrong? Here's an article that relates to what he is stating: http://plsonline.eku.edu/...n-policing

To simply say that he is wrong is the height of ignorance, especially when it comes to American history. It's literally whitewashed. That whitewashing is continuing today. Just research the changes to AP History that were recently approved, then tell me that he's "wrong".

America fucked up. What can I say? As I stated elsewhere, the Police Force was invented not with this in mind. By defintion, it's not racist. Is this really hard to understand?

lol the point, again, is that you saying that the police force as a system wasn't invented with that in mind and that by definition, was not racist, is historically false. I think (based on the vast amount undeniable proof of what was a hyper-racist society) that the system that we now know as a police force was started as a system to keep what they thought at the time were sub-human beings, in check. Given the history of the US, which opinion is most likely correct?

The Early Days of American Law Enforcement

The Watch

More than 350 years ago, America’s first known system of law enforcement was established in Boston. As soon as colonists had settled there in 1630, local ordinances had allowed for constables to be appointed. Soon after, in April 1631, the townspeople formed a “watch” made up of six watchmen, one constable, and several volunteers who patrolled at night, walking the rounds.

Initially run by a combination of obligatory and voluntary participation, the 17th century watch typically reported fires, maintained order in the streets, raised the “hue and cry” (pursuing suspected criminals with loud cries to raise alarm), and captured and arrested lawbreakers. Constables had similar tasks, which included maintaining health and sanitation and bringing suspects and witnesses to court—frequently for such conduct as working on the Sabbath, cursing in public places, and failing to pen animals properly.

In the more rural, sparsely populated areas of the Colonies, the sheriff was the main law enforcement figure. Appointed by the governor, sheriffs’ duties included serving legal documents such as writs, appearing in court, and collecting taxes. In many cases, the sheriff was paid a fixed amount for each task he performed, some, for example, receiving payment based on the amount of taxes they collected. Occasionally, these tasks proved dangerous. In fact, the first known American peace officer to be killed in the line of duty was Columbia County (NY) Sheriff Cornelius Hogeboom, who was shot on October 22, 1791, as he attempted to serve a writ of ejectment.

This early policing system was modeled after the English structure, which incorporated the watch, constables, and sheriffs (derived from the British term, “shire-reeves”) in a community-based police organization. (Interestingly, the British system developed from “kin policing” dating back to about 900 A.D., in which law enforcement power was in the people’s hands, and they were responsible for their families or “kin.”) Early law enforcement was reactionary, rather than pre-emptive—the watch usually responded to criminal behavior only when requested by victims or witnesses. And, with monetary incentive in certain areas, apprehending criminals was not always a priority.

OldFriends4Sale said:

BlackandRising said:

jesus christ Prince.org has become a bastion of anti-thought. Articulating what may have been the impetus of what we now know as law enforcement doesn't diminish what they do by and large now. He's didn't say that the modern version of law enforcement isn't difficult or required; he's simply pointing out, IMHO, one of the things about America that made America, and how the ripples of that system in some ways are still present. In his world, he's using it to bring light to what he feels are the shortcomings of parts of the music industry.

Prince has made about 2-3 'statements' somehow connected to some current cop issues. But they all are always connected with his Musical venture...

That is what I find dishonest. I have no problem dealing with realities of racial injustice.

Nothing Prince said is connected with the music industry. Black have power in the music industry
Prince had it too, had his own label. Prince isn't the best manager or businessman. Racism wasn't the problem and neither was WB.

Albums Matter, remember those?

what's dishonest about it? I personally don't think that at this point he's referring to himself with these musings, but at the system as a whole and how it treats minorities in general. I personally don't think making music these days is as important to him as effecting change in the industry.

BlackandRising said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Prince has made about 2-3 'statements' somehow connected to some current cop issues. But they all are always connected with his Musical venture...

That is what I find dishonest. I have no problem dealing with realities of racial injustice.

Nothing Prince said is connected with the music industry. Black have power in the music industry
Prince had it too, had his own label. Prince isn't the best manager or businessman. Racism wasn't the problem and neither was WB.

Albums Matter, remember those?

what's dishonest about it? I personally don't think that at this point he's referring to himself with these musings, but at the system as a whole and how it treats minorities in general. I personally don't think making music these days is as important to him as effecting change in the industry.

Sorry but in each one he is connecting the music industry

Albums Matter, remember those? like books and black lives... AOA newly out

the last statement he made about blacks policing themselves or having their own police dept was connected to this new musical venture with Tidal.

This post's quote is the same.

BlackandRising said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

America fucked up. What can I say? As I stated elsewhere, the Police Force was invented not with this in mind. By defintion, it's not racist. Is this really hard to understand?

lol the point, again, is that you saying that the police force as a system wasn't invented with that in mind and that by definition, was not racist, is historically false. I think (based on the vast amount undeniable proof of what was a hyper-racist society) that the system that we now know as a police force was started as a system to keep what they thought at the time were sub-human beings, in check. Given the history of the US, which opinion is most likely correct?

Do you even knwo what policing means? Or is? Do you know where and when the modern police force was invented? Do you know who invented it? But, if a University of Kentucky document makes you feel vindicated. Fine.

OldFriends4Sale said:

BlackandRising said:

what's dishonest about it? I personally don't think that at this point he's referring to himself with these musings, but at the system as a whole and how it treats minorities in general. I personally don't think making music these days is as important to him as effecting change in the industry.

Sorry but in each one he is connecting the music industry

Albums Matter, remember those? like books and black lives... AOA newly out

the last statement he made about blacks policing themselves or having their own police dept was connected to this new musical venture with Tidal.

This post's quote is the same.

i didn't disagree that he's connecting it to the music industry. that's kind of my point. i'm not shre what you're getting at with the "Albums Matter" thing. And yea, the last part he's saying blacks need to do things for themselves. Totally parallels what he's been saying for a long time. What's the problem?

He's contradicting everything he sang about in "race";

"Down with history, and all this BS propoganda

Keeping you from me, and me from you as we grow

I don't wanna know

Why those before us hated each other"

That's exactly what he is doing. Concentrating on the past rather than thinking of ways to improve the situation at hand. Be the statement accurate or not.

filthyrichyuppie said:

BlackandRising said:

lol the point, again, is that you saying that the police force as a system wasn't invented with that in mind and that by definition, was not racist, is historically false. I think (based on the vast amount undeniable proof of what was a hyper-racist society) that the system that we now know as a police force was started as a system to keep what they thought at the time were sub-human beings, in check. Given the history of the US, which opinion is most likely correct?

Do you even knwo what policing means? Or is? Do you know where and when the modern police force was invented? Do you know who invented it? But, if a University of Kentucky document makes you feel vindicated. Fine.

that was just one example that I found in like, a nanosecond. Point being if you were openminded, you could do some research to see if there is some history

BlackandRising said:

BlackandRising said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Sorry but in each one he is connecting the music industry

Albums Matter, remember those? like books and black lives... AOA newly out

the last statement he made about blacks policing themselves or having their own police dept was connected to this new musical venture with Tidal.

This post's quote is the same.

i didn't disagree that he's connecting it to the music industry. that's kind of my point. i'm not shre what you're getting at with the "Albums Matter" thing. And yea, the last part he's saying blacks need to do things for themselves. Totally parallels what he's been saying for a long time. What's the problem?

He is taking advantage of these issues. Prince is so far disconnected from those po people down in Louisiana, but doesn't seem to know there are many black owned business in Ferguson(the ones that were being destroyed by the rioting)

Prince's music issues have nothing to do with these people's plite.

BlackandRising said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

Do you even knwo what policing means? Or is? Do you know where and when the modern police force was invented? Do you know who invented it? But, if a University of Kentucky document makes you feel vindicated. Fine.

that was just one example that I found in like, a nanosecond. Point being if you were openminded, you could do some research to see if there is some history

Like I said, some of what you say must be true--concerning police abuse; early on in America especially. Are you just being stubborn, though? Would you agree that this is a time and a place and not indicative of the police as an institution? Also, asking me to do some resarch on the subject is funny, considering you can't even tell me who invented the police. If you're gonna engage, please have the courtesy to know the basics.

filthyrichyuppie said:

BlackandRising said:

that was just one example that I found in like, a nanosecond. Point being if you were openminded, you could do some research to see if there is some history

Like I said, some of what you say must be true--concerning police abuse; early on in America especially. Are you just being stubborn, though? Would you agree that this is a time and a place and not indicative of the police as an institution? Also, asking me to do some resarch on the subject is funny, considering you can't even tell me who invented the police. If you're gonna engage, please have the courtesy to know the basics.

I already stated that what he said doesn't diminish what the police do today. And I'm not here to tell you who "invented" the police, as that was anywhere near anything I stated in my post. I simply stated that what Prince said cannot be simply dismissed as false. You stated that it was, I responded with an alternative opinion that I found in a nanosecond. Are you following? Because you're getting kind of snippy here. ala ""please have the courtesy to know the basics". What does that even mean?

BlackandRising said:

filthyrichyuppie said:

Like I said, some of what you say must be true--concerning police abuse; early on in America especially. Are you just being stubborn, though? Would you agree that this is a time and a place and not indicative of the police as an institution? Also, asking me to do some resarch on the subject is funny, considering you can't even tell me who invented the police. If you're gonna engage, please have the courtesy to know the basics.

I already stated that what he said doesn't diminish what the police do today. And I'm not here to tell you who "invented" the police, as that was anywhere near anything I stated in my post. I simply stated that what Prince said cannot be simply dismissed as false. You stated that it was, I responded with an alternative opinion that I found in a nanosecond. Are you following? Because you're getting kind of snippy here. ala ""please have the courtesy to know the basics". What does that even mean?

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what I'm up against.

Angelsoncrack said:

He's contradicting everything he sang about in "race";

"Down with history, and all this BS propoganda

Keeping you from me, and me from you as we grow

I don't wanna know

Why those before us hated each other"

That's exactly what he is doing. Concentrating on the past rather than thinking of ways to improve the situation at hand. Be the statement accurate or not.

He should just make music

bad businessman, who when he had his label it was shut down because people did not get paid

He isn't a good example of people owning lol

filthyrichyuppie said:

BlackandRising said:

I already stated that what he said doesn't diminish what the police do today. And I'm not here to tell you who "invented" the police, as that was anywhere near anything I stated in my post. I simply stated that what Prince said cannot be simply dismissed as false. You stated that it was, I responded with an alternative opinion that I found in a nanosecond. Are you following? Because you're getting kind of snippy here. ala ""please have the courtesy to know the basics". What does that even mean?

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what I'm up against.

lol so, tell me then, you stated prince was wrong, I supplied another opinion. That is called debating. What exactly do you think you're up against?