skywalker said:

LaceyB said:

MoBetterBliss said:

another clueless post... epiphone didn't start out as gibson's bitch... older epiphones can be great guitars that go for big money... and it's not even about the money

i wish people who had no idea what they're talking about would just shut up

Not clueless, correct. I NEVER, EVER said how Epiphone started out (nor is their ancient history in any way relevant to the current discussion). Old Epiphones are fine. But Epiphone IS now the budget brand of Gibson, Sirclueless, and has been for a long time now. The guitar in question was A NEWISH EPIPHONE. Therefore, this was not some priceless Fender masterbuilt Custom Shop or Gibson special. Please do get a clue before posting. I know FAR more about guitars that you ever will (if only you knew who you were saying this too!). Not a subject you want to challenge me on, son.

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Nope. You're wrong, son. Kirk's guitar is a 1961 Crestwood. There's one on eBay right now for $8,000. American-made and very nice. It was not a new-ish Epiphone and is worth more than MOST new Fenders and Gibsons, custom shop, special or whatever. It's abundantly clear from your attitude that you really don't know much of anything about guitars, son.

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Prince apologized right after it happened and said he'd take care of it. Why this Kirk Douglas dude has to go on and on about "human decency" is a mystery, and makes him sound like Mr. Whiny Whinerson.

But now I don't care about all that. I only care about one thing:

Who is LaceyB?

Because if we only knew who he was, apparently we'd believe every single thing he has to say about guitars.

Prince throws another musician's guitar just to promote his crappy new band, practically every move Prince makes must be a big mystery, he shuts down fans, and has acted like an immature ass for most of his life but it's a mystery why Kirk Douglas has to go on and on about human decency and he sounds whiney.

Sassey said:

Prince throws another musician's guitar just to promote his crappy new band, practically every move Prince makes must be a big mystery, he shuts down fans, and has acted like an immature ass for most of his life but it's a mystery why Kirk Douglas has to go on and on about human decency and he sounds whiney.

Yeah, he does sound like a whiney child. Sounds like he got his feelings hurt because Prince wouldn't give him an autograph.

But since you think Prince's new band is crappy, and that Prince poops all over his fans, I'm sure there's nothing Prince could possibly have done to make this right in your mind.

Why would you hang out on a website dedicated to an artist that appears to constantly disappoint you?

Is your name Bart?!?

EDIT: Holy crap, THAT was your first post ever on this website?

.

[Edited 3/4/13 14:19pm]

RodeoSchro said:

Prince apologized right after it happened and said he'd take care of it. Why this Kirk Douglas dude has to go on and on about "human decency" is a mystery, and makes him sound like Mr. Whiny Whinerson.

to be honest i get it... the guitar is his number 1.. his baby... and he's a pro musician

if i lent my number 1 guitar to a musician i admired, and they broke it through an act of complete carelessness, i'd be gutted... no matted who it was

i think "human decency" is the perfect term regarding what happened.. it's just a really shitty thing to do... regradless of his apology etc

MoBetterBliss said:

RodeoSchro said:

Prince apologized right after it happened and said he'd take care of it. Why this Kirk Douglas dude has to go on and on about "human decency" is a mystery, and makes him sound like Mr. Whiny Whinerson.

to be honest i get it... the guitar is his number 1.. his baby... and he's a pro musician

if i lent my number 1 guitar to a musician i admired, and they broke it through an act of complete carelessness, i'd be gutted... no matted who it was

i think "human decency" is the perfect term regarding what happened.. it's just a really shitty thing to do... regradless of his apology etc

Well, it depends on what was supposed to happen. If, as I tend to think, someone was supposed to catch it and Prince made a mistake with the guitar cord, then it was just that - a mistake. And Prince seems to have done everything he can to make up for it.

If Prince just threw it up in the air with the intent of letting it crash, then that's a different matter altogether. But that's not what I think happened. Prince has been in the business for 40 years and isn't known for wrecking his own equipment, much less anyone else's. And Prince has been throwing guitars in the air for years, and generally always to someone waiting to catch it.

But the part the gets me is that this guy first goes online to say Prince apologized, promised to make it right, etc., and then after the fact this dude starts railing on about "human decency".

If he thought Prince was such a jerk, why'd he accept Prince's apology?

RodeoSchro said:

MoBetterBliss said:

to be honest i get it... the guitar is his number 1.. his baby... and he's a pro musician

if i lent my number 1 guitar to a musician i admired, and they broke it through an act of complete carelessness, i'd be gutted... no matted who it was

i think "human decency" is the perfect term regarding what happened.. it's just a really shitty thing to do... regradless of his apology etc

Well, it depends on what was supposed to happen. If, as I tend to think, someone was supposed to catch it and Prince made a mistake with the guitar cord, then it was just that - a mistake. And Prince seems to have done everything he can to make up for it.

If Prince just threw it up in the air with the intent of letting it crash, then that's a different matter altogether. But that's not what I think happened. Prince has been in the business for 40 years and isn't known for wrecking his own equipment, much less anyone else's. And Prince has been throwing guitars in the air for years, and generally always to someone waiting to catch it.

But the part the gets me is that this guy first goes online to say Prince apologized, promised to make it right, etc., and then after the fact this dude starts railing on about "human decency".

If he thought Prince was such a jerk, why'd he accept Prince's apology?

what is he going to do? not accept an apology from the one and only Prince?

it was still a retarded move to throw it up in the air (who does that anymore?)

even more retarded that he did it at the end of Bambi, a song most people don't even know or really care for (except prince fans that know all his songs)

Why the hell do people keep assuming someone was supposed to catch the man's guitar? If that was the case, the catcher would have tried to run up and dive out to still do his/her job once he/she saw the instrument was thrown wrong, even if it meant being seen on stage and on camera, and Jimmy would have likely been pointing and laughing at the person. That did not happen, so Prince excuse-makers need to stop making shit up and respect Kirk's frustration. Apology be damned, Kirk has a right to be angry.

7230 said:

Why the hell do people keep assuming someone was supposed to catch the man's guitar? If that was the case, the catcher would have tried to run up and dive out to still do his/her job once he/she saw the instrument was thrown wrong, even if it meant being seen on stage and on camera, and Jimmy would have likely been pointing and laughing at the person. That did not happen, so Prince excuse-makers need to stop making shit up and respect Kirk's frustration. Apology be damned, Kirk has a right to be angry.

I assume so because I've seen Prince throw his guitar in the air a couple dozen times and there's always been someone there to catch it.

I assume so because Prince does not have the reputation of someone that smashes other peoples' stuff.

I laugh at you guys that would disregard 40 years' worth of documented, on-stage behavior in favor of something totally out of character from a 54-year-old veteran performer.

And I heartily laugh at the fact that you, sassey and 3rdeyedude don't have 100 posts on this website between you.

Newbies, LOL.

Really, Kirk is entitled to feel however he feels, say whatever he wants to say and just generally respond in whatever way he wants to respond.

That said, I DO wish that he'd posted about the handshake/apology/reparations FIRST, as the fact that he was posting photos and comments, but hadn't mentioned anything about an apology, implied that he was still waiting for one.

Whether Prince intended for someone to catch it, did it in the heat of the moment, or planned to trash it all along, the facts that have emerged now is that he apologised immediately after and said he'd make it right.

Whatever our personal opinions on what happened, surely there's nothing left to debate?

Prince has done his best to make it right. Kirk is dealing with what happened the best way he can.

At this point, it's even less of our business than it was in the beginning.

It's over. Time to move on.

Chiquetet said:

Really, Kirk is entitled to feel however he feels, say whatever he wants to say and just generally respond in whatever way he wants to respond.

That said, I DO wish that he'd posted about the handshake/apology/reparations FIRST, as the fact that he was posting photos and comments, but hadn't mentioned anything about an apology, implied that he was still waiting for one.

Yeah, what's up with that?

Causin all this drama with those tweets and such.

RodeoSchro said:

7230 said:

Why the hell do people keep assuming someone was supposed to catch the man's guitar? If that was the case, the catcher would have tried to run up and dive out to still do his/her job once he/she saw the instrument was thrown wrong, even if it meant being seen on stage and on camera, and Jimmy would have likely been pointing and laughing at the person. That did not happen, so Prince excuse-makers need to stop making shit up and respect Kirk's frustration. Apology be damned, Kirk has a right to be angry.

I assume so because I've seen Prince throw his guitar in the air a couple dozen times and there's always been someone there to catch it.

I assume so because Prince does not have the reputation of someone that smashes other peoples' stuff.

I laugh at you guys that would disregard 40 years' worth of documented, on-stage behavior in favor of something totally out of character from a 54-year-old veteran performer.

And I heartily laugh at the fact that you, sassey and 3rdeyedude don't have 100 posts on this website between you.

Newbies, LOL.

Its just an excuse to try & tear Prince's character down again. Like most on this site do everyday. They just sit & wait 4 (A human) to make a mistake. So they can throw him under the bus again. I'm sick of it..

RodeoSchro said:

7230 said:

Why the hell do people keep assuming someone was supposed to catch the man's guitar? If that was the case, the catcher would have tried to run up and dive out to still do his/her job once he/she saw the instrument was thrown wrong, even if it meant being seen on stage and on camera, and Jimmy would have likely been pointing and laughing at the person. That did not happen, so Prince excuse-makers need to stop making shit up and respect Kirk's frustration. Apology be damned, Kirk has a right to be angry.

I assume so because I've seen Prince throw his guitar in the air a couple dozen times and there's always been someone there to catch it.

I assume so because Prince does not have the reputation of someone that smashes other peoples' stuff.

I laugh at you guys that would disregard 40 years' worth of documented, on-stage behavior in favor of something totally out of character from a 54-year-old veteran performer.

And I heartily laugh at the fact that you, sassey and 3rdeyedude don't have 100 posts on this website between you.

Newbies, LOL.

^ that's true. prince isn't a destructive guy. overall i'd chalk the whole thing up to an accident, he's human, we all mess up.

XxAxX said:

RodeoSchro said:

I assume so because I've seen Prince throw his guitar in the air a couple dozen times and there's always been someone there to catch it.

I assume so because Prince does not have the reputation of someone that smashes other peoples' stuff.

I laugh at you guys that would disregard 40 years' worth of documented, on-stage behavior in favor of something totally out of character from a 54-year-old veteran performer.

And I heartily laugh at the fact that you, sassey and 3rdeyedude don't have 100 posts on this website between you.

Newbies, LOL.

^ that's true. prince isn't a destructive guy. overall i'd chalk the whole thing up to an accident, he's human, we all mess up.

Shit happens... Like when Prince tossed his guitar to a guy in the crowd in Oakland at the W2A concert and the guy got into a scuffle over it. And then claimed it was his because he caught it. He didn't want to give it back. I think he was even considering a law suit, if I remember right... He ended up with a guitar pick, scrapes, bruises, and a bruised ego...

RodeoSchro said:

7230 said:

Why the hell do people keep assuming someone was supposed to catch the man's guitar? If that was the case, the catcher would have tried to run up and dive out to still do his/her job once he/she saw the instrument was thrown wrong, even if it meant being seen on stage and on camera, and Jimmy would have likely been pointing and laughing at the person. That did not happen, so Prince excuse-makers need to stop making shit up and respect Kirk's frustration. Apology be damned, Kirk has a right to be angry.

I assume so because I've seen Prince throw his guitar in the air a couple dozen times and there's always been someone there to catch it.

I assume so because Prince does not have the reputation of someone that smashes other peoples' stuff.

I laugh at you guys that would disregard 40 years' worth of documented, on-stage behavior in favor of something totally out of character from a 54-year-old veteran performer.

And I heartily laugh at the fact that you, sassey and 3rdeyedude don't have 100 posts on this website between you.

Newbies, LOL.

I don't care about what you've seen at past shows, or some "reputation" you believe in. You didn't see any guitar-catcher in front of the audience, or any stagehand after the performance who could have even looked like a guitar-catcher, on Jimmy Fallon's show. Why didn't this guitar-catcher immediately go pick it up after it fell and malfunctioned, like he/she would have if it had been Prince's guitar? Why didn't Jimmy nod for any guitar-catcher but instead acted confused? And why would Kirk be so upset, posting passive-aggressive tweets on the internet, if he saw that his guitar's fall was nothing but a damn innocent displacement error? This argument is so fucking stupid.

And regardless of how long you've been registered in this forum, you don't know a damn thing about Prince's "character," so your 22,372 posts don't mean shit, Oldie.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

...I'm sick of it..

Yeah, it must really suck, having to put up with people on this site who just post the same thing, over and over again

someone was supposed to catch it?... it happened because the chord was still plugged in?... really?

that may be the case... but i doubt it

and he said sorry.... big deal... he didn't trip and fall people... he threw the damn thing

i'm gonna go and kick someone in the nuts and then say "sorry about that bro here's $100 for some new nuts"... because that'll make everything ok... particularly if i'm more famous that the guys who's nuts i kicked

and WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT if prince lent his guitar to someone, and they threw it and broke it, you people would be after blood

this place is a damn trip

it's only an epiphone

he should be honoured that prince did it

how dare the guy be upset about it etc etc

rubbish

it IS common decency to look after something someone has been kind enough to let you use

and this guitar is more than just a possession to this guy... it's something that he's created art with... it's a different level

let me get your most prized posession and break it... see if "sorry i'll pay for it" cuts it

bashraka said:

Chiquetet said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

...I'm sick of it..

Yeah, it must really suck, having to put up with people on this site who just post the same thing, over and over again

3rdeyedude said:

Amazing how the conflict has been resolved but people are still in a melt down about it...

can't wait 2 c what happens @ The Carnegie Hall Tribute this Thursday. This puts a whole new spin on it....

On Captain Kirks FB page

making up old Aesops tales and shit about children's bikes, and a bunch of other soft ass shit, like nigga here is a napkin, now sit yo ass down, aint nobody ever heard of this Captain Kirk nigga, until Prince smashed his guitar on some Ill teach this no name nigga a lesson

lesson 1 - dont ask prince for an autograph, like how dumb was that
lesson 2 - prince is known to throw guitars in the air, why the hell would he treat your shit any different
lesson 3 - meeting your Idols always suck

I just wish he would have smashed Quest drum kit, that nigga would have fainted and jizzed in his paints LOL

lwr001 said:

On Captain Kirks FB page

making up old Aesops tales and shit about children's bikes, and a bunch of other soft ass shit, like nigga here is a napkin, now sit yo ass down, aint nobody ever heard of this Captain Kirk nigga, until Prince smashed his guitar on some Ill teach this no name nigga a lesson

lesson 1 - dont ask prince for an autograph, like how dumb was that
lesson 2 - prince is known to throw guitars in the air, why the hell would he treat your shit any different
lesson 3 - meeting your Idols always suck

I just wish he would have smashed Quest drum kit, that nigga would have fainted and jizzed in his paints LOL

Oh, damn! I wish you hadn't given me that mental picture...

So wait, Prince apologized to him right after the guitar smash and he still made those posts? The fuck?

Guess he was trying to make it a media story.

Like I said earlier, if Prince apologized and offered to take care of it, that should have been the end of it. The dramatization on Kirk's part made it seem like Prince was a being a prick about it and we all know that he can be like that, at times but in this instance, it eventually showed that he wasn't and now Kirk's the one looking bad for being whiny. Hopefully, Thursday all will have been made right and the show will go on without any hard feelings.

PS...I think if Prince had busted Questlove's drum, he'd have had to be restrained.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Like I said earlier, if Prince apologized and offered to take care of it, that should have been the end of it. The dramatization on Kirk's part made it seem like Prince was a being a prick about it and we all know that he can be like that, at times but in this instance, it eventually showed that he wasn't and now Kirk's the one looking bad for being whiny. Hopefully, Thursday all will have been made right and the show will go on without any hard feelings.

PS...I think if Prince had busted Questlove's drum, he'd have had to be restrained.

C.J.: Immature Prince treats borrowed guitar like his own before tossing it

Article by: C.J. , Star Tribune

Updated: March 4, 2013 - 10:16 PM

Reports of the maturation of Prince are grossly premature after he hurled a guitar he didn’t own to the floor before marching off “The Jimmy Fallon Show” stage Friday.

How will this rock ’n’ roll child ever learn what is acceptable behavior if nobody tells him?

Well, the man who owned the guitar is trying. Roots guitarist Kirk Douglas, known on Twitter as @CaptainKDouglas, tweeted: “Maybe it’s because I’m a dad, but I think framing the guitar is a little like rewarding bad behavior.”

Capt. Kirk gets it!

Among those who didn’t are most of those quoted at the website Muck Rack. Under the headline “What journalists are sayi...ut #prince,” there was ample Twitter recitation of the basic info.

“#Prince borrows guitar, uses during @LateNightJimmy show, refuses to autograph, THEN slams it to floor in the end! #rockgodstatus,” wrote @blackthought.

On Muck Rack I found only a single tweet that might be considered even mildly critical of Symbolina’s outlandishly rude behavior: “I feel bad for Capt. Kirk’s guitar,” tweeted Dan DeLuca, the Philadelphia Inquirer’s pop music critic.

Of course, Capt. Kirk must not know much about Prince to have thought that Symbolina would ever autograph the instrument. Only place I’ve ever seen Symbolina’s autograph was on a court document.

While thinking Prince would autograph the instrument was silly, if it’s true, Capt. Kirk was naive not to know that when you give an instrument to a child — of the regular or petulant rock ’n’ roll variety — you cannot reasonably expect your property to be treated respectfully.

And can’t you just imagine that shortly after tossing the electric guitar (which landed close enough to something else electrical to cause feedback that had Jimmy Fallon looking for the off button), Symbolina was probably arrogantly averring: Broken or not, I just enhanced the value of that guitar.

Sadly, he’s probably right. While Prince fans believe he can do no wrong, this was egregious given the ownership of the guitar.

Someone as upstanding as Prince — who always makes sure his property taxes are paid promptly and would never paint a house he was renting purple — is probably just trying to decide when is the best time to deliver a check or another guitar to Capt. Kirk. (Insert hysterical laughter here.)

Lyrics a problem?

“Screwdriver” sounds like it should be added to that Prince.org list of songs that Prince doesn’t perform anymore because they are too racy.

“I’m your driver and you’re my screw,” the key lyrics go.

You don’t have to be Freud or Masters and Johnson to get the gist of those lyrics, and they probably shouldn’t pass the lips of someone whose religion caused him to drop certain staple songs from his act. Interesting that “Screwdriver,” the first song Prince sang Friday to an overjoyed Jimmy Fallon and his audience, is the ditty with the lyric “We smash guitars and shatter glass.”

And the “Bambi” song has homophobic overtones:

“You had another lover and she looked just like you/Bambi, can’t you understand?/Bambi, it’s better with a man"

Those “Screwdriver” lyrics could make you glad that Prince knows a girl with a pocket full of horses, some of which are Trojans.

bashraka said:

C.J.: Immature Prince treats borrowed guitar like his own before tossing it

Article by: C.J. , Star Tribune

Updated: March 4, 2013 - 10:16 PM

Reports of the maturation of Prince are grossly premature after he hurled a guitar he didn’t own to the floor before marching off “The Jimmy Fallon Show” stage Friday.

How will this rock ’n’ roll child ever learn what is acceptable behavior if nobody tells him?

Well, the man who owned the guitar is trying. Roots guitarist Kirk Douglas, known on Twitter as @CaptainKDouglas, tweeted: “Maybe it’s because I’m a dad, but I think framing the guitar is a little like rewarding bad behavior.”

Capt. Kirk gets it!

Among those who didn’t are most of those quoted at the website Muck Rack. Under the headline “What journalists are sayi...ut #prince,” there was ample Twitter recitation of the basic info.

“#Prince borrows guitar, uses during @LateNightJimmy show, refuses to autograph, THEN slams it to floor in the end! #rockgodstatus,” wrote @blackthought.

On Muck Rack I found only a single tweet that might be considered even mildly critical of Symbolina’s outlandishly rude behavior: “I feel bad for Capt. Kirk’s guitar,” tweeted Dan DeLuca, the Philadelphia Inquirer’s pop music critic.

Of course, Capt. Kirk must not know much about Prince to have thought that Symbolina would ever autograph the instrument. Only place I’ve ever seen Symbolina’s autograph was on a court document.

While thinking Prince would autograph the instrument was silly, if it’s true, Capt. Kirk was naive not to know that when you give an instrument to a child — of the regular or petulant rock ’n’ roll variety — you cannot reasonably expect your property to be treated respectfully.

And can’t you just imagine that shortly after tossing the electric guitar (which landed close enough to something else electrical to cause feedback that had Jimmy Fallon looking for the off button), Symbolina was probably arrogantly averring: Broken or not, I just enhanced the value of that guitar.

Sadly, he’s probably right. While Prince fans believe he can do no wrong, this was egregious given the ownership of the guitar.

Someone as upstanding as Prince — who always makes sure his property taxes are paid promptly and would never paint a house he was renting purple — is probably just trying to decide when is the best time to deliver a check or another guitar to Capt. Kirk. (Insert hysterical laughter here.)

Lyrics a problem?

“Screwdriver” sounds like it should be added to that Prince.org list of songs that Prince doesn’t perform anymore because they are too racy.

“I’m your driver and you’re my screw,” the key lyrics go.

You don’t have to be Freud or Masters and Johnson to get the gist of those lyrics, and they probably shouldn’t pass the lips of someone whose religion caused him to drop certain staple songs from his act. Interesting that “Screwdriver,” the first song Prince sang Friday to an overjoyed Jimmy Fallon and his audience, is the ditty with the lyric “We smash guitars and shatter glass.”

And the “Bambi” song has homophobic overtones:

“You had another lover and she looked just like you/Bambi, can’t you understand?/Bambi, it’s better with a man"

Those “Screwdriver” lyrics could make you glad that Prince knows a girl with a pocket full of horses, some of which are Trojans.

Billy Jack Bitch!