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Reply #240 posted 02/26/10 6:58am

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Identity said:

The song sucks and Prince continues to churn out the same watered-down funk and rock. I'll giving "Pause & Reject" one big yawn.



Pause & Reject....priceless! thumbs up!
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Reply #241 posted 02/26/10 6:58am

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thedance said:

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Reply #242 posted 02/26/10 6:58am

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I wonder what Prince thinks when he reads threads in response to his new tracks... Purple and Gold (lol) and now this one.

Does he sit there and think "They don't know what they're talking about... this song rules!", "I've lost it... I don't have the magic touch anymore.", or "I'm not going to release any vault songs until everyone agrees my new music is as good as my old music!" Or maybe he just doesn't care. But from listening to some of his music, it's clear Prince reads opinions on himself and his music that people post on the various threads. So I'd say he's a little hurt when his true fans don't like his new music.

But I can't get down on Prince's music too much. He just gave the wrong track to the radio station. For every bad song he records, there have to be great ones, he probably just can't tell the difference. That's what Randy Newman said about him... that Prince doesn't know what songs of his are good and which are bad. It's too bad his recording engineer and the people that work for him can't tell Prince is something is hot or not. They probably fear for their jobs. But then again maybe Prince is putting the song out there to see what people think about it. That's why I gave specific reasons why I don't like the song instead of just saying "it sucks."

Prince, tell us what you think!
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Reply #243 posted 02/26/10 6:59am

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i like it!!
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Reply #244 posted 02/26/10 6:59am

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Mindflux said:

IstenSzek said:



the lyrics are actually covering just 1 concept. it's about him wondering
what it'd be like if he had the chance to go back and talk to his former
self and pondering about what he would do different if he had the chance
to start over again. inbetween he mentions his current belief and state of
mind.

it makes me sad though that he would call his former body of brilliant 80s
work "nothing to remember but a lot to forget".

well he didn't exactly say it was his 80s work but that's the essence of
the message.


I don't think he's referring to his past work, just past misdeeds. He does say that "he wouldn't change a thing" - I don't think he looks at his past work as sinful but, perhaps, some of the things he's done....just like any of us, of course.

The song is explaining where he is at - and its that he's no longer the superstar, he's grown up. But, the way that is put across seems like he feels he should have learned that sooner in life. And, after all this reflection, we get a verse telling us to be more positive etc etc so that we have fewer regrets when we all, eventually, grow up. Its a mature song, fitting for its subject matter.
[Edited 2/26/10 6:48am]


agree with most of what your saying, thanks IstenSzek for the quick lyrics, but i think your missing the point of the song, like most Prince stuff hidden meaning are all over the place because he does not want to get sued by a former somebody , so he changes things around and never makes a song about just one person or moment in time ...smart cool

I think Prince is talking abit about himself and other people in his lyrics.. wink
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Reply #245 posted 02/26/10 7:00am

MacDaddy

The song is called "Cause and Effect," and it's a rocker - filled with virtuosic guitar work, explosive drum breaks, a poppy chorus, trademark shrieks and whoops, some intriguing lyrics

Sounds more like something you'd read on the backside of a B-movie you found on the lower shelf at your local video store.

It's not a recommendation, it's a warning!!!
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Reply #246 posted 02/26/10 7:00am

novabrkr

The parts with the simplistic guitar riff and the "hey", "hey" -chants sound like a children's version of "The Beautiful People".
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Reply #247 posted 02/26/10 7:00am

rwn

All these people hating Prince´s work for years and still immediately listen to every new song from him. What a bunch of incredible losers lol
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Reply #248 posted 02/26/10 7:00am

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CallMeCarrie said:

Identity said:

The song sucks and Prince continues to churn out the same watered-down funk and rock. I'll giving "Pause & Reject" one big yawn.



Pause & Reject....priceless! thumbs up!


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Reply #249 posted 02/26/10 7:02am

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IstenSzek said:

Mindflux said:



Well, its either JB (though, a bit rocky for him) or Michael Bland (certainly fits more his style). But, I'm having trouble deciding!


well don't count out cora yet. i know a lot of people think she ain't
that good but she held herself up well enough at a lot of the O2 gigs
and her work on the few lotusflower tracks she was on was very good.

she might have stepped up a notch, you know how prince manages to get
everyone playing beyond what they did before.


Quite right - for a moment, I had forgotten about Cora! boxed

She killed it at the O2 and aftershows wink
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Reply #250 posted 02/26/10 7:02am

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novabrkr said:

He's done better songs in the past. wink



naw....ya dont say.... biggrin
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Reply #251 posted 02/26/10 7:02am

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MacDaddy said:

The song is called "Cause and Effect," and it's a rocker - filled with virtuosic guitar work, explosive drum breaks, a poppy chorus, trademark shrieks and whoops, some intriguing lyrics

Sounds more like something you'd read on the backside of a B-movie you found on the lower shelf at your local video store.

It's not a recommendation, it's a warning!!!


i'm still a bit baffled though where they came up with saying that
is was like foo fighters and radiohead. i'm sure i read that on the
current's promo bit.
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #252 posted 02/26/10 7:03am

swanny

rwn said:

All these people hating Prince´s work for years and still immediately listen to every new song from him. What a bunch of incredible losers lol



Because despite the long years of drought we all hope Prince can rediscover his songwriting form.

Alas that appears ever more remote as the years pass.
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Reply #253 posted 02/26/10 7:03am

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Mindflux said:

IstenSzek said:



well don't count out cora yet. i know a lot of people think she ain't
that good but she held herself up well enough at a lot of the O2 gigs
and her work on the few lotusflower tracks she was on was very good.

she might have stepped up a notch, you know how prince manages to get
everyone playing beyond what they did before.


Quite right - for a moment, I had forgotten about Cora! boxed

She killed it at the O2 and aftershows wink


i love love love her skills on that ROCK aftershow

headbang
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #254 posted 02/26/10 7:04am

NeoGeo24bit

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All these people hating Prince´s work for years and still immediately listen to every new song from him. What a bunch of incredible losers lol


Well, that's a testament to how great of an artist Prince is. His body of work is nearly unmatched. When you're in the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame, have written so many great released and unreleased songs, and you're a verifiable musical genius, people who care about music are going to care about Prince. And thus his fans are highly intelligent and/or musically and culturally diverse elitists. Most of us aren't listening to mainstream artists, watching American Idol, we're all well schooled in important music, bands, and artists.
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Reply #255 posted 02/26/10 7:04am

sonofman2010

cause and effect - cool song title - bad song!

sad to say the more i hear new prince music the less of a fan i become - and ive been a fan since 1984 with Lotus flower being the first Prince record i didnt buy becuase it contained poorly written / produced songs with substance that sounded like "cause and effect"

the only thing i can count on from Prince for lately is releasing out of touch dated sounding music - strange but true
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Reply #256 posted 02/26/10 7:04am

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NeoGeo24bit said:



It's too bad his recording engineer and the people that work for him can't tell Prince is something is hot or not. They probably fear for their jobs.


That's what Wendy & Lisa used to do. "That's crap" or "That sounds too much like such-and-such". Susan Rogers did too to a certain extent. She hated Adonis & Bathsheba so much and Prince got all upset.

Those people are gone now, all he has are yes men and fams will lap up anything thrown their way... He no longer has any perspective.

Prince, feel free to ring me at 3 AM like you used to with Morris Day, etc to play a new tune down the phone, I'll give you an honest answer! wink

Erik
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Reply #257 posted 02/26/10 7:05am

novabrkr

rwn said:

All these people hating Prince´s work for years and still immediately listen to every new song from him. What a bunch of incredible losers lol


That's because he has done also hundreds of mindblowingly good songs. Talent doesn't really disappear. Ability to focus on your output however does.
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Reply #258 posted 02/26/10 7:05am

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MacDaddy said:

The song is called "Cause and Effect," and it's a rocker - filled with virtuosic guitar work, explosive drum breaks, a poppy chorus, trademark shrieks and whoops, some intriguing lyrics

Sounds more like something you'd read on the backside of a B-movie you found on the lower shelf at your local video store.

It's not a recommendation, it's a warning!!!



I swear that's what I took it to be! nod
I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart.
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Reply #259 posted 02/26/10 7:05am

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xlr8r said:

CallMeCarrie said:




Pause & Reject....priceless! thumbs up!


falloff



How about Pause and EJECT!
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Reply #260 posted 02/26/10 7:06am

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swanny said:

rwn said:

All these people hating Prince´s work for years and still immediately listen to every new song from him. What a bunch of incredible losers lol



Because despite the long years of drought we all hope Prince can rediscover his songwriting form.

Alas that appears ever more remote as the years pass.


according to some fuckers not all fuckers. U dig.
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Reply #261 posted 02/26/10 7:06am

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NeoGeo24bit said:

Review of the song "Cause and Effect"

The first half minute or so is interesting, I like the poppy breaks here and there. But the longer it went on, the less I liked it. It has the problem a lot of later era Prince songs have... it just rambles on and on with no pure structure at all. A song like I Could Never Take The Place of Your Man has a beautiful structure... hook... chorus... and real lyrics you can understand. That's why it's a great song and will be loved and remembered forever.

But Cause and Effect doesn't have any of that. It just rambles on, sort of like Rock 'n Roll is Alive and Cybersingle. At the end Prince throws in a token guitar solo but that can't save this song at all. There's no real structure, hook, chorus, and the lyrics are too self centered and preachy to ever be a hit or a fan favorite.

It was definitely embarrassing to hear so many great songs on The Current (Sloop John B!) and then hear this dreck from Prince, a rock 'n roll hall of famer. Listening to Cause and Effect, you'd never know Prince was a great musician. He should be writing songs that are meaningful... at the very least, songs that are well structured and enjoyable, especially after so many years of making music. I think he's spending too much time reading the Bible and hanging out alone at Paisley Park. It's time for Prince to make some music that touches people... and not in ways they'd rather not be touched. smile

I'm gonna go listen to Pet Sounds now.

Final Grade for Cause and Effect: D-
Final Grade for Sloop John B: A+
[Edited 2/26/10 6:16am]


Now this is a review!

I cant wait to hear it on lunch break. Im not expecting anything..just a one off tune. Could be good could be bad. Who knows.
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Reply #262 posted 02/26/10 7:06am

alexnvrmind

I am here. Where are you?

Well I'm obviously not where you are! 'Cause if I was, I'd probably understand better what the heck you are trying to Effect with your music lately! I'm just saying!

So anyway...

Lyrically - not great! Music wise - pretty good! Could have definitely done without the audience noise! If I want live (or live like) I'll go to a concert.

Honestly though I think it's time for Prince to do a 'just music' album(s) like Joe Satriani or something (with LOTS of guitar) but without being heavy on the jazzy feel.

Just my 2 cents!

However one thing is true without a doubt and that is Cause & Effect is 100% freakin' better than the 'fight' song for the Vikings. Of course after that song there was nowhere else to go but up or retirement.

Peace!
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Reply #263 posted 02/26/10 7:07am

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IstenSzek said:

Mindflux said:



Quite right - for a moment, I had forgotten about Cora! boxed

She killed it at the O2 and aftershows wink


i love love love her skills on that ROCK aftershow

headbang


Indeed!

Well, I'd love to stay in the discussion, but I got a gig in Camden in a few hours (by Camden Lock, if any Londoners are short of something to do tonight).

Can't wait to see how this thread has developed by tomorrow! Opinion, as ever, is extremely divided! Someone asked how Prince would react to it? He's used to it and I don't think he's that bothered about it - as an artist, you really can't be. Start believing what anyone writes and it will affect you. He's stayed remarkably true to his own vision throughout his career and that's because he thinks he's right and follows himself. I, for one, am glad he's done that, whether or not I've always liked the results!
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Reply #264 posted 02/26/10 7:07am

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rwn said:

All these people hating Prince´s work for years and still immediately listen to every new song from him. What a bunch of incredible losers lol



Why to all fams take someone's dislike to something so personal and instantly start dishing out insults?

Think you need to look up the word hater yourself, bud.

wink

Erik
[Edited 2/26/10 7:09am]
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Reply #265 posted 02/26/10 7:08am

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I wonder what Prince thinks when he reads threads in response to his new tracks... Purple and Gold (lol) and now this one.

Does he sit there and think "They don't know what they're talking about... this song rules!", "I've lost it... I don't have the magic touch anymore.", or "I'm not going to release any vault songs until everyone agrees my new music is as good as my old music!" Or maybe he just doesn't care. But from listening to some of his music, it's clear Prince reads opinions on himself and his music that people post on the various threads. So I'd say he's a little hurt when his true fans don't like his new music.

But I can't get down on Prince's music too much. He just gave the wrong track to the radio station. For every bad song he records, there have to be great ones, he probably just can't tell the difference. That's what Randy Newman said about him... that Prince doesn't know what songs of his are good and which are bad. It's too bad his recording engineer and the people that work for him can't tell Prince is something is hot or not. They probably fear for their jobs. But then again maybe Prince is putting the song out there to see what people think about it. That's why I gave specific reasons why I don't like the song instead of just saying "it sucks."

Prince, tell us what you think!



I think he looks at the grammys, brits, WMA, AMA's, Oscars etc.., in his house on the hill looking over his land, checks his bank balance, reads the music press about EMI losses, thinks about the 21 Nights Concert Record that still stands and laughs out loud...."maybe i do know something about music"

Really ...we on the org may say this and that...but when Prince says i'm playing live we all (including the haters) dig into our pockets and buy a ticket...

We really don't know what we are talking about when it comes to music ...we just choose when to buy and when not to buy his records...end of story. lol
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Reply #266 posted 02/26/10 7:08am

NeoGeo24bit

sonofman2010 said:

cause and effect - cool song title - bad song!

sad to say the more i hear new prince music the less of a fan i become - and ive been a fan since 1984 with Lotus flower being the first Prince record i didnt buy becuase it contained poorly written / produced songs with substance that sounded like "cause and effect"

the only thing i can count on from Prince for lately is releasing out of touch dated sounding music - strange but true


I think Lotusflow3r is a 4 star album. I loved it. Especially the last six tracks on the album (Love Like Jazz/77 Beverly Park/Wall of Berlin/Money/Dreamer/Return to the Lotus. Those tracks were incredible.
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Reply #267 posted 02/26/10 7:08am

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alexnvrmind said:

I am here. Where are you?

Well I'm obviously not where you are! 'Cause if I was, I'd probably understand better what the heck you are trying to Effect with your music lately! I'm just saying!

So anyway...

Lyrically - not great! Music wise - pretty good! Could have definitely done without the audience noise! If I want live (or live like) I'll go to a concert.

Honestly though I think it's time for Prince to do a 'just music' album(s) like Joe Satriani or something (with LOTS of guitar) but without being heavy on the jazzy feel.

Just my 2 cents!

However one thing is true without a doubt and that is Cause & Effect is 100% freakin' better than the 'fight' song for the Vikings. Of course after that song there was nowhere else to go but up or retirement.

Peace!


thanks for your insightful thoughts..NOT

Next..
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Reply #268 posted 02/26/10 7:09am

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novabrkr said:

rwn said:

All these people hating Prince´s work for years and still immediately listen to every new song from him. What a bunch of incredible losers lol


That's because he has done also hundreds of mindblowingly good songs. Talent doesn't really disappear. Ability to focus on your output however does.

Well stated.
Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #269 posted 02/26/10 7:09am

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So this never appeared on lotusflow3r.com? Not surprising, but damn.
If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot.
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