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Printable I realize his performances are in the present as any coherent individual would. And I love hearing him play his old stuff OF COURSE. However, hearing him censor himself leaves a bad taste in my mouth and implies a certain sense shame in my opinion, and I would rather him not perform the song at all in that case. I never once said Prince should repeat the past. I would love a LOTUSFLOW3R tour that focuses on new material. It's my personal preference regarding his treatment of old songs that is the issue here, and I don't think it's one that makes me shallow.
lezama said: piepie1976 said: Please. This has nothing to do with Prince choosing not to curse and has everything to do with Prince trying to rewrite history. If you're ashamed of the art you once created and ultimately of the person you once were, then just leave the past alone and stop pretending it didn't happen. "The Christ" is the grossest example.
Prince's performances of old material isn't in the past though, its in the present. Thats like saying a person's present & future should be determined by and merely repeat the past. Any existence that precludes change or growth would be pretty shallow imo. [Edited 7/18/09 7:52am] [Edited 7/18/09 8:36am] | |
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bombpop said: NpgSoldier said: Am I the only idiot who likes both versions?
I must be an idiot too. I like them both. I just have to figure out how to get this into my car! It ain't a hit until I'm blasting it in my car. I like them both...just to a lead out of my lap top to my hifi, and it sounds much fuller cranked through that...listening to it on crappy PC speaker doesn't do it justice! I will never tire of this tune...if i had to pay everytime Prince put a smile on my face the debt collectors would be hauling all my possessions out of my house right now | |
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Most of this entire thread proves why a lot of folks think the Org is filled with petty, obsessed with the past lunatics...lol...
Shit, some of yall need to burn your Prince stash and just walk away...It's not that serious, folks... | |
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holy crap that was bad. prince has to quit with the 'jazz' already. lounge/vegas jazz is as close as he gets. it's completely uninspired and derivative. the original is fearless and packs such a punch.there really should be no comparison... Baby, that was much too fast... 1958-2016 | |
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Vendetta1 said: I like it. I'm not fond of the bootleg.
Y'know...my feeling about the original has always been that, while it displays crazy energy (and I mean that in a good way), it's really unfocused. You know how the lyrics talk about, "a sophisticated, mass-produced cacophony"? That's what the original recording was (to my ears). I couldn't understand the lyrics...and I didn't really care for Prince's monotone delivery on the verse. (The chorus is better in that regard.) This version makes better use of Prince's voice, IMO. And I like the simpler arrangement. The Prince who recorded the original (the one who, when 24 tracks weren't enough, told his engineer, "Make more room") didn't understand the value of white space. This Prince does.  [Edited 7/18/09 10:32am] We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Sorry ya'll not feeling that one, a little 2 light 4 me but nice though!  | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: OldFriends4Sale said: Yeah, I don't understand why people do that, it wasn't just about Wendy or Lisa(:the co-creator of that songs) but also Sheila E and Eric Leeds Atlanta Bliss A lot of us are fans of these people sound and collaborations too here is the point ..all hypothetical tho, if any of his songs had a different combination of players on them that recorded the song, then years later he took another set of players 2 play the same song, would the response b as adverse as it has been in this thread? xample ...if the whole parade album was originally done by the new power generation then years later prince did it with the revolution, would u feel differently about it? cause this is what's been done live by the way but the constant thing is prince .. it depends on what the end result sounds like, really. personally, i have no issue with WHO played on what version. i could care less. but i know that this new version of In A Large Room With No Light, while a nice surprise to hear/get, is completely lifeless and uninteresting compared to the original version. and i don't even think it has anything to do with the players involved. it's got more to do with Prince himself. the 1986 version has a fire, an ambition, a drive, an engergy, a hunger. the 2009 version has taken that song which had a previously badass recording of it and turned it into the same bland light jazz snoozefest that he's been in love with for this entire decade. had he put one iota of the same effort and inspiration into the new recording as he did the 1986 version, then i'd be jumping up and down with delight, no matter WHO played on it. | |
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This version is great the way Prince sings chorus in this new version is much better then old version. | |
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errant said: L4OATheOriginal said: here is the point ..all hypothetical tho, if any of his songs had a different combination of players on them that recorded the song, then years later he took another set of players 2 play the same song, would the response b as adverse as it has been in this thread? xample ...if the whole parade album was originally done by the new power generation then years later prince did it with the revolution, would u feel differently about it? cause this is what's been done live by the way but the constant thing is prince .. it depends on what the end result sounds like, really. personally, i have no issue with WHO played on what version. i could care less. but i know that this new version of In A Large Room With No Light, while a nice surprise to hear/get, is completely lifeless and uninteresting compared to the original version. and i don't even think it has anything to do with the players involved. it's got more to do with Prince himself. the 1986 version has a fire, an ambition, a drive, an engergy, a hunger. the 2009 version has taken that song which had a previously badass recording of it and turned it into the same bland light jazz snoozefest that he's been in love with for this entire decade. had he put one iota of the same effort and inspiration into the new recording as he did the 1986 version, then i'd be jumping up and down with delight, no matter WHO played on it. I feel the same way... like much of his recent work, he is displaying a high level of skill & proficiency in his playing (perhaps the best of his career), but with little or no passion. These days in his recordings, it sounds like he is playing (playing very well!) but not emoting. (Live, of course, is a different story--he will play the hell outta a song live!) "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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It's cool to hear P embrace his Revolution-era unreleased stuff but I prefer the original.
I wonder if this is gonna be on his proposed "jazz" album. If that ever sees the light of day. Not bad though. I Like the outro bit the best. It does give me the same feeling as his live/remake of Dorothy Parker. You know all jazzed out and loungey. Not bad, just different. I prefer the originals in both cases. Fantasy is reality in the world today. But I'll keep hangin in there, that is the only way. | |
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murph said: Most of this entire thread proves why a lot of folks think the Org is filled with petty, obsessed with the past lunatics...lol...
Shit, some of yall need to burn your Prince stash and just walk away...It's not that serious, folks...  I'll die in your arms under the cherry moon... | |
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The original is far superior, but i'm still beside myself with glee that one of my favorite Prince songs has finally seen the light of day in an official, high quality version. * * *
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Not bad, sounds unfinished for some reason. Slightly claustrophobic compared to the original... sounds like this song was recorded in a SMALL room. LOL
The original version had that live spaciousness and of course, the interplay of Wendy and Lisa. Prince is hit or miss when he does alternate versions. Mostly miss since the late 80's, he fails too capture the energy and feel of the original versions. He's grown more savvy and sophisticated as a musician but it has not translated to his songwriting. This new version is a nice composition and the guitar solos are outstanding. *Sidenote* If you're using the Firefox browser, there's extensions that you can use to download the song | |
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NoVideo said: The original is far superior, but i'm still beside myself with glee that one of my favorite Prince songs has finally seen the light of day in an official, high quality version.
Isn't it a 96kbps mp3 embedded in a flv file? There's nothing high quality nor official about that, right? Official high quality would be being able to buy the actual track in a physical format or a properly downloadable high quiality file? Or am I missing some little secret here?  "...and If all of this Love Talk ends with Prince getting married to someone other than me, all I would like to do is give Prince a life size Purple Fabric Cloud Guitar that I made from a vintage bedspread that I used as a Christmas Tree Skirt." Tame, Feb | |
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Good effort and I like it, but I love the "welcome to the rat race" part in the original and his vocals were better deeper and rougher. I'm hot and I don't care who knows it...I got a job to do.  | |
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murph said: Most of this entire thread proves why a lot of folks think the Org is filled with petty, obsessed with the past lunatics...lol...
Shit, some of yall need to burn your Prince stash and just walk away...It's not that serious, folks... BINGO! | |
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Just hearing this. Yeah I'm days late. But anyway...
There are things that I always disliked about the booted 1986 version but it did have a fuller sound. Thus I like it better compared with the re-worked version he just posted. This released version is a little uh, sterile or sanitized sounding to my ears. 
But, I will say the re-worked version posted at the Montreaux Jazz site it appropriate for the audience it's targeted to. . [Edited 7/19/09 8:43am] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Anxiety said: i don't understand how this track can get anyone as passionately polarized as what i'm seeing on this thread. it's not great and it's not horrible. the fact that he remade the song in the first place has great novelty value to me - i think it's fun that he did it at all. when i saw the news, i didn't expect the new version to be earth-shattering, but i knew i'd find it interesting. and i was right on all counts.
i don't think it's the most horrible thing prince has ever done. far, FAR from it. and for those who think it's just the most amazing thing ever, well, good for you, i guess. if you like it that much, then making the track wasn't a wasted effort on prince's part. 
the only "passionate" opinion i can agree with on here is that it should have been made available on LF.com, or at the very least he should have sent out a message about it on the LF.com mailing list. the fact that he didn't sends a message loud and clear that his official web site is D-E-A-D. So, I didn't read this enite thread but I can imagine the comments.  I agree with you here, the track is ok but not earth shattering and would, as someone else, said have fit in well on The Vault album.
As fare the LF website goes -- I think it would have been a nice treat if he put the up the 1986 booted version for the members. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Vendetta1 said: I like it. I'm not fond of the bootleg.
Really? Why aren't you fond of the boot version? Let me just say that that I always did have a few problems with the boot version but it seemed like most everybody else loved it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said: Vendetta1 said: I like it. I'm not fond of the bootleg.
Really? Why aren't you fond of the boot version? Let me just say that that I always did have a few problems with the boot version but it seemed like most everybody else loved it. Unlike a lot of Prince fans, I can totally understand why a lot of Prince boots were not released. | |
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Some people here have listened to so many bootlegs that they ruined their ears forever  | |
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 (I hope that they make it officially available for download).
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FonkAy said: ONEDERFUL
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OldFriends4Sale said: L4OATheOriginal said: lost his sound? well i guess that if he were 2 continue using the same sound that he was using over and over and over and over (not growing musically) his fans would b satisfied until they start saying "damn when will he change his sound?" damned if he does, damned if he don't When I say, lost his sound, I don't mean staying the same(same as what? since his sound was as diverse as 4U - Lovesexy Batman even as well as Madhouse, the Family:Screams of Passion, YES Nothing Compares, Sheila E:Dear Michaelangelo Love on a Blue Train, Shortberry Strawcake, the Time:I Don't Want 2 Leave U, Ice Cream Castles) Prince had/has a definate sound, and your hear it in a diverse groups of songs just like those I listed above. A lot his music was timeless in my opinion, vvery different and distinct. I'm not saying that none of his music after Batman or Diamonds & Pearls did not have it, I just hear less of it, there are a lot of Prince songs that sound like regular rnb or pop or rock. Space Tangerine (the Rainbow Children album) have that sound. I know a lot of u may like it, but Love Sign sounds like a regular rnb song, then there are a lot of songs from Rave that, I would not be able to point out as Prince, there are also the James Brownish songs that don't have the Purple touch like:Irrisistable Bitch, Love or Money, Housequake had (those are songs that have a James Brownish inspiration but is definately Prince music. 'Love Or Money' James Brownish????  | |
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NuPwrSoul said: I don't understand why people keep saying "well it's JAZZ for a JAZZ FEST" as though that is supposed to explain the limpness of this track. Do y'all listen to jazz? And I'm not talking about the easy listening quiet storm jazz station on your radio. I"m talking about JAZZ. That has life, energy, improvisation, experimentation.
This version, on its own terms, in no comparison to any other version that may exist illegally or not... this version is cautious, breezy, and pleasant. But it's not compelling. It doesn't make you stop what you're doing and want to hit rewind because some note or lyric or vocal just made you say WHOA. It's just MEH. Even his vocals sound tentative, almost hesitant, on this track. The drumming while quick on the snare is light on the kick, the bass is unremarkable, though the key/synth work does tickle. But that's it. By JAZZ standards this song is an unremarkable but pleasant listening experience. It's kind of weak jazz fusion to me. | |
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Appears he's still on a 'quality elevator music' kick. | |
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Genesia said: Y'know...my feeling about the original has always been that, while it displays crazy energy (and I mean that in a good way), it's really unfocused. You know how the lyrics talk about, "a sophisticated, mass-produced cacophony"? That's what the original recording was (to my ears). I couldn't understand the lyrics...and I didn't really care for Prince's monotone delivery on the verse. (The chorus is better in that regard.) You might feel differently if you heard a better quality version... none of the bootlegs that I've heard sounded very good, no matter how often it's been EQ-ed and tweaked. I think we're missing a lot of subtly, and an officially released version (from the masters) would be far better sonically. You'd be able to hear the vocals better and there would be less of the cacophonic sound. [Edited 7/19/09 18:03pm] | |
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abierman said: OldFriends4Sale said: When I say, lost his sound, I don't mean staying the same(same as what? since his sound was as diverse as 4U - Lovesexy Batman even as well as Madhouse, the Family:Screams of Passion, YES Nothing Compares, Sheila E:Dear Michaelangelo Love on a Blue Train, Shortberry Strawcake, the Time:I Don't Want 2 Leave U, Ice Cream Castles) Prince had/has a definate sound, and your hear it in a diverse groups of songs just like those I listed above. A lot his music was timeless in my opinion, vvery different and distinct. I'm not saying that none of his music after Batman or Diamonds & Pearls did not have it, I just hear less of it, there are a lot of Prince songs that sound like regular rnb or pop or rock. Space Tangerine (the Rainbow Children album) have that sound. I know a lot of u may like it, but Love Sign sounds like a regular rnb song, then there are a lot of songs from Rave that, I would not be able to point out as Prince, there are also the James Brownish songs that don't have the Purple touch like:Irrisistable Bitch, Love or Money, Housequake had (those are songs that have a James Brownish inspiration but is definately Prince music. 'Love Or Money' James Brownish???? yeah [this is not some official term] just a term I use When describing certain Prince songs that seem to have a bit of that James Brown inspired grove the Work is like that too but it's TOO James Brown | |
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I can't pinpoint the performance link on Lotusflow3r.com.  | |
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OldFriends4Sale said: abierman said: 'Love Or Money' James Brownish???? yeah [this is not some official term] just a term I use When describing certain Prince songs that seem to have a bit of that James Brown inspired grove the Work is like that too but it's TOO James Brown I agree with you on 'The Work', but 'Love or Money' is just very Prince to me.....the Prince I like! | |
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