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NuPwrSoul said: errant said: The track is a lot better if you minimize the window that the player is in so that he's not staring back at you looking like some greasy-ass giraffe.
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Yes the original is better ...even the version performed at Nokia had more of a kick...
perhaps it was just meant for the Montreux site , it surely would've been nice to share it on Lotusflow3r but who knows whats going on with P.  | |
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Yeah, I agree that for the money we spending on his website that we shoulda had it first!!
That aside, I like the vibe of the track and I like it when he gets a little muso and jazzy with the band. Wish I could get to the gigs this weekend 
I think he coulda made the recording a bit dirtier though, little more edgey maybe . . . I also like the older version, but the drumming much better in this version!  | |
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Whistler said: purplemansionFL said: I want to see how these princeFANTAICS justify not getting this mp3 through lotusflo3r.com.
Is for free not better than only post it on the paid site?  Not if you paid the money | |
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You know what? (Although most of you won't care and probably not agree)
I am so fucking sick of having to jump through hoops and webpages and fucking files and whatnot to hear a fucking song!!!! I mean how fucking hard is it? Yo Prince do you want my fucking money? 
If Wendy and Lisa can deliver music in a variety of ways to cater to everyone (mp3s, flac, physically through the post) then why the fuck can't you? I mean seriously, you shit gold compared to me. I have to pay $77 dollars for shit quality videos or be a fucking web-hound on some festival website? I don't want someone to have to tell me how to change the url of a file so I can then use some fucking program to record a shitty low quality version of a song and then lose it when a computer crashes!!!!
Print it on a disc in a properly mastered version (which obviously exists) and I will give you money for it! No hoops....no fucking "web exclusive" bullshit. Hey, I'll even pay you to ship it to me? What a fucking novel idea!!!!! ok you can all tell me to  now 
Edit - what's next? I gotta stick my USB in prince's arse? [Edited 7/16/09 4:53am] "...and If all of this Love Talk ends with Prince getting married to someone other than me, all I would like to do is give Prince a life size Purple Fabric Cloud Guitar that I made from a vintage bedspread that I used as a Christmas Tree Skirt." Tame, Feb | |
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And my biggest beef of course is that once again lotusflow3r.com has demonstrated its uselessness in getting (1) prince music to us & (2) getting prince news to us.[/quote]
Did you expect anything more?? I mean we've all been fucked over royaly for this "amazing" new site. PFFFT!!!! [Edited 7/16/09 5:17am] | |
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errant said: damn, when did everyone around here start top-posting in their replies?
it confused the shit out of me! is it the call sign of some new splinter group or cult ? | |
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BartVanHemelen said: Graycap23 said: Critical of a song that u got 4 free that Prince was kind enough 2 share?
Seems a bit over the top IMHO. Prince did NOT have 2 put this track up. Prince did not have to make you look like a fool. Yet he did. lol.....once again u have the game TWISTED. But I'm NOT surprised. | |
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threeseed said: okay, there's 2 things i just gotta say that i don't think anyone else has said - to the weirdo-gonna-defend-prince-no-matter-what-chick, i'm not sure you even understand or listen to music in the same way that nupwrsl, dre, myself, and others perhaps do. I don't need to see visual documentation of this, or hardly any of his recording sessions, per se. His ever-changing studio roster has made that quite easy-i know for a fact that if i hear a tune that obviously contains(to use an exmple other than w&l)dez dickerson's guitar and vocals, that it probably ain't an Exodus outtake-capice? I know the sounds of those players, both as individual musicians, and as a collective group of players-one that undoubtably had amazing "chemistry", synergy, whatever one wishes to call it, and a very specific "vibe". To suggest they didn't is either blind rubbish or true ignorance-he kept many of those players, in different configurations, for years; are you inferring Prince would have that poor of taste in musicians/collaborators-??
I can't argue with anything you've said. I'm just glad I'm not cursed by a musically technical ear and can enjoy this for what it is.
For example, though it's his own composition, to hear gilberto perform girl from ipanema(to use a commonly known song) without the one-of-a-kind chemistry of getz' brilliant saxophone playing, your ears know something's missing. (by the way, your ears know stan getz when you hear him, he's like no one else in his playing style, likewise is true of eric leeds-and i've never seen nor need to see eric talking about the session for my ears to know he's on that recording) And yes, as jazz recordings go, this is rather uninspired, bland, and unimaginative. It sounds like it's trying so hard to not be the original, one can't help but compare them. The recording itself sounds as if it's been made in comparison to the original, which is what draws the bob belden reference i think. BTW, Prince knew "that one"(if u prefer it not be called the original[but it is!]) before this one too... Anyway, point number two is that, in that transparent effort to not be the original, he butchered a wonderful vocal melody! This new one is fey and intentionally astray frome the (eek!) "original" melody of the vocal line, moreso than the timing or whatever it was that someone pointed out, tho i get that too. It supersux that as a result there is no followable vocal-you can't sing with it!!-and the "previously circulating vintage pirated cassette tape" version was hella fun to sing with!! Okay, one more point, a humorous one-hell yeah he's aware of fansite activity and chatter, and the misheard "woman with a dick in her hand" lyric-is a common enough misinterpretation that it's even listed on www.amirite.com -and considering he's still playing mister purity, he was gonna make damn(oop, sorry prince, dang) sure he pronounced e-v-e-r-y letter of the word drink lol -go listen again!-it's so obvious! Like he knew we'd be listening for that line specifically! Oh, wait! Being prince we're talkin about, it's entirely possible that it was dick and he changed it to drink! lol [Edited 7/15/09 22:04pm] EDIT: OMG folx i'm so sorry, but amirite is gone! It was the best! Huge bank of misheard lyrics, user-sumitted style-maybe if you check the internet archive...Wonder if P had them taken down? hmmm...well anyway trust me, LOTS of people have heard the line as "dick" -in the "previously circulating vintage pirated cassette tape" version that is... [Edited 7/15/09 22:10pm] But it's got me wondering, is there a crystal clear version of the original circulating? I've got 3 copies of it and they all sound like they're several generations old, muddy and noisy. RIP | |
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RodeoSchro said: This makes me feel really good about spending $77 on Lotusflow3r.
Really....Makes me feel good about not spending..... Oh. You're being sarcastic! I like the song but I think I would like to hear the original as well. [Edited 7/16/09 7:24am] | |
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Still sucks.
Although the piano near the end is nice. [Edited 7/16/09 8:03am] | |
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No, some of these folks do not have enough commonsense to check out the goods before slapping down their money or to dispute the charge with their credit company or file a complaint with the BBB.
It is makes more sense to come to this board and complain it. 
medion said: When purchasing, always check the goods before you hand over the money, didn't you learn that at school? anyway I am sure Prince has surprises in store 
errant said: Well, yeah, that was nice of him to give the world something for free... On the other hand... I think a lot of us would be a little happier if we'd gotten a little more return on our yearly investement of $77 before he just started throwing the free shit out there. You know? That's my take. | |
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LOL-yeah, cuz this board's only here for saying nice stuff.....
mabey we don't wanna see someone else waste $77 and lol at the commonsense crack-half the problem was-we trusted in Prince-we put our money where our mouth is-and got stiffed-idiots like you expect folk to quietly fade away so you can have your rose tinted party..? you do get the concept of discussion.yes.no ? im gonna stop now-cuz i have a feeling i'm talking to a ten year old | |
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quite disappointing.
a friend of mind said it very well, it sounds like something that should be played @ a JW picnic populated exclusively by folks taken from their literature, viz 
‘TRA-LA LA LA, LA LA LA LA, SHA LA LA LA LA, SHA-LA-LA!’ and musically he replaced most everything i liked about the original! (sheila, eric, that little keyboard burst every other line that sounds like a power-up from a videogame or something, the line about little MFers talking big stuff in your face, and the HUGE production)…and why does he pronounce it 'pinny' now??? i wonder how long he spent on this…sounds like it was probably knocked out in an afternoon. compare to: It was May of 1986 and Prince was going thru a period of renewal and change. Parade, his latest album was just released to good reviews and the first single, KISS, was #1 on the charts. At #2 was The Bangles MANIC MONDAY, which was also written by Prince, so he his professional life was going well. The second single, MOUNTAINS, was about to be released, and the world was waiting for his 2nd movie, “Under The Cherry Moon”. Not one to ever rest on his laurels, Prince had already begun creating his next project. The previous weeks had him holed up in Minneapolis, where he was recording a great deal and trying not to focus on the demise of his relationship with Susannah Melvoin. She had recently moved out of his home in Minneapolis and he decided to fly to Los Angeles and bury himself in his recording. Saturday, May 3, 1986 Studio 3, Sunset Sound, Los Angeles Prince asked his engineer Coke Johnson to set up the studio for a new batch of recordings. Because the Revolution was rehearsing and touring together during much of this period, they were invited into the studio. Coke arrived at the studio at 11:30 and began the set up for a band recording, but it wasn’t until 4 that people started showing up. During group jams, it wasn't uncommon for Prince and whoever was invited in the studio to just groove and record the entire session. Sometimes Prince would be inspired, sometimes he would hear something amazing and that would dictate the direction of the session. It was not an exact science and sometimes people got left off of credits, depending on Prince's mood and generosity. On other occasions, a familiar song would come up in the groove and everyone would start focusing on recording a cover of that song. On this day, Wendy Melvoin, Lisa Coleman, Sheila E., Levi Seacer Jr., Eric Leeds, and Matt Blistan joined Prince to work on the classic song “Get On Up” by The Esquires (from their 1967 release on Bunky Records). After laying down the familiar jam, Prince led them into recording a new jazz-fusion song called “In A Large Room With No Light” (sometimes inaccurately referred to as “Welcome 2 The Ratrace”). The song was based on a jam by Wendy and Lisa. Eric Leeds remembered this session: “We also did … another song that Wendy and Lisa...we recorded live with Wendy and Lisa. I cannot remember whether Levi was there, I want to believe he was. Sheila played drums, the vocals, the background vocals were done by Sheila and Wendy and Lisa. Susannah might have been there but I don't remember. The horns were myself, Matt Blisston, and Norbert Stachel, who was Sheila's saxophone player by now, Eddie M having left. He was there for that session, playing alto sax, for a song called "Have you ever felt that love was like looking for a penny in a large room with no light”. It is like....Prince does Fifth Dimension. It was one of my favorite songs we ever did. It was an absolutely wonderful performance live, Sheila just absolutely kicked butt on it, it was just a great song, and unlike anything Prince has ever done. Very unique song, and a great song. It was another one of those cases where I thought, just really felt that we were part of something special on that one. And that's a song that I really hope sees the light of day some time, personally." The recordings took place until midnight. Sunday, May 4, 1986 Studio 3, Sunset Sound Prince asked various members of the Revolution to show up for overdubs for yesterday’s session. Prince also included Sheila’s band member, Norbert Stachel to record various saxophone overdubs. From 3pm to midnight, additional layers were added to GET ON UP and to IN A LARGE ROOM WITH NO LIGHT. Prince and Coke spent the next 5 hours mixing the tracks. At 5 in the morning, Prince realized the mixes were missing some additional vocals so he spent the next 7 hours adding his vocals as well as other background vocals to the tracks. If you listen closely to LARGE ROOM, you can hear the layered vocals behind the busy track. Monday, May 5, 1986 Studio 3, Sunset Sound The session didn’t stop. It was not uncommon for Prince to continue for hours at a time if he felt like he had a mission. This was one of those instances. From noon to 2:30 pm, Prince spent the time mixing the new vocals into the song and copying them on to cassette (2 TDK C-60 tapes). Prince left the studio for a short time but soon afterwards, asked to be set up for some additional mixing. Apparently he wasn’t completely happy with the songs once he played them in the car and wanted to continue working on them. Although Coke set up for the next session, Susan Rogers was called in to take over for Coke now that he had been in the studio for over 24 hours straight. Prince showed back up just after 8pm and he and Susan spent the next 5 hours working on crossfades and edits in the tracks. Prince would continue to tweak the track over the next few days, eventually adding it to the collection he was compiling called “Dream Factory” but that is another story for another day. - this information is from an early draft of PRINCE: The Studio Sessions. | |
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laurarichardson said: No, some of these folks do not have enough commonsense to check out the goods before slapping down their money or to dispute the charge with their credit company or file a complaint with the BBB.
It is makes more sense to come to this board and complain it.
medion said: When purchasing, always check the goods before you hand over the money, didn't you learn that at school? anyway I am sure Prince has surprises in store
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so let me get this straight, if wendy and lisa were not on the version from 1985-1986 and let's just say boni boyer was on it instead, people would bitch about this new version cause boni wouldn't b on it?  damnman, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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errant said: laurarichardson said: No, some of these folks do not have enough commonsense to check out the goods before slapping down their money or to dispute the charge with their credit company or file a complaint with the BBB.
It is makes more sense to come to this board and complain it.
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SomeFoolDramaQueen said: quite disappointing.
a friend of mind said it very well, it sounds like something that should be played @ a JW picnic populated exclusively by folks taken from their literature, viz
‘TRA-LA LA LA, LA LA LA LA, SHA LA LA LA LA, SHA-LA-LA!’ and musically he replaced most everything i liked about the original! (sheila, eric, that little keyboard burst every other line that sounds like a power-up from a videogame or something, the line about little MFers talking big stuff in your face, and the HUGE production)…and why does he pronounce it 'pinny' now??? i wonder how long he spent on this…sounds like it was probably knocked out in an afternoon. compare to: It was May of 1986 and Prince was going thru a period of renewal and change. Parade, his latest album was just released to good reviews and the first single, KISS, was #1 on the charts. At #2 was The Bangles MANIC MONDAY, which was also written by Prince, so he his professional life was going well. The second single, MOUNTAINS, was about to be released, and the world was waiting for his 2nd movie, “Under The Cherry Moon”. Not one to ever rest on his laurels, Prince had already begun creating his next project. The previous weeks had him holed up in Minneapolis, where he was recording a great deal and trying not to focus on the demise of his relationship with Susannah Melvoin. She had recently moved out of his home in Minneapolis and he decided to fly to Los Angeles and bury himself in his recording. Saturday, May 3, 1986 Studio 3, Sunset Sound, Los Angeles Prince asked his engineer Coke Johnson to set up the studio for a new batch of recordings. Because the Revolution was rehearsing and touring together during much of this period, they were invited into the studio. Coke arrived at the studio at 11:30 and began the set up for a band recording, but it wasn’t until 4 that people started showing up. During group jams, it wasn't uncommon for Prince and whoever was invited in the studio to just groove and record the entire session. Sometimes Prince would be inspired, sometimes he would hear something amazing and that would dictate the direction of the session. It was not an exact science and sometimes people got left off of credits, depending on Prince's mood and generosity. On other occasions, a familiar song would come up in the groove and everyone would start focusing on recording a cover of that song. On this day, Wendy Melvoin, Lisa Coleman, Sheila E., Levi Seacer Jr., Eric Leeds, and Matt Blistan joined Prince to work on the classic song “Get On Up” by The Esquires (from their 1967 release on Bunky Records). After laying down the familiar jam, Prince led them into recording a new jazz-fusion song called “In A Large Room With No Light” (sometimes inaccurately referred to as “Welcome 2 The Ratrace”). The song was based on a jam by Wendy and Lisa. Eric Leeds remembered this session: “We also did … another song that Wendy and Lisa...we recorded live with Wendy and Lisa. I cannot remember whether Levi was there, I want to believe he was. Sheila played drums, the vocals, the background vocals were done by Sheila and Wendy and Lisa. Susannah might have been there but I don't remember. The horns were myself, Matt Blisston, and Norbert Stachel, who was Sheila's saxophone player by now, Eddie M having left. He was there for that session, playing alto sax, for a song called "Have you ever felt that love was like looking for a penny in a large room with no light”. It is like....Prince does Fifth Dimension. It was one of my favorite songs we ever did. It was an absolutely wonderful performance live, Sheila just absolutely kicked butt on it, it was just a great song, and unlike anything Prince has ever done. Very unique song, and a great song. It was another one of those cases where I thought, just really felt that we were part of something special on that one. And that's a song that I really hope sees the light of day some time, personally." The recordings took place until midnight. Sunday, May 4, 1986 Studio 3, Sunset Sound Prince asked various members of the Revolution to show up for overdubs for yesterday’s session. Prince also included Sheila’s band member, Norbert Stachel to record various saxophone overdubs. From 3pm to midnight, additional layers were added to GET ON UP and to IN A LARGE ROOM WITH NO LIGHT. Prince and Coke spent the next 5 hours mixing the tracks. At 5 in the morning, Prince realized the mixes were missing some additional vocals so he spent the next 7 hours adding his vocals as well as other background vocals to the tracks. If you listen closely to LARGE ROOM, you can hear the layered vocals behind the busy track. Monday, May 5, 1986 Studio 3, Sunset Sound The session didn’t stop. It was not uncommon for Prince to continue for hours at a time if he felt like he had a mission. This was one of those instances. From noon to 2:30 pm, Prince spent the time mixing the new vocals into the song and copying them on to cassette (2 TDK C-60 tapes). Prince left the studio for a short time but soon afterwards, asked to be set up for some additional mixing. Apparently he wasn’t completely happy with the songs once he played them in the car and wanted to continue working on them. Although Coke set up for the next session, Susan Rogers was called in to take over for Coke now that he had been in the studio for over 24 hours straight. Prince showed back up just after 8pm and he and Susan spent the next 5 hours working on crossfades and edits in the tracks. Prince would continue to tweak the track over the next few days, eventually adding it to the collection he was compiling called “Dream Factory” but that is another story for another day. - this information is from an early draft of PRINCE: The Studio Sessions. Did you get permission to post that picture?  | |
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Okay, I get it.
We Prince fans have (though we are not supposed to) bootlegs and have "lived" with "In a Large Room..." for years now. Therefore, we are entitled to bitch and moan when this new version doesn't sound like the original, which is essentially a demo version. Also... Since this is the "official" release of the song, shouldn't it be treated as the official release and not as the "2009" version. Do you call the version of "Kiss" the 1986 3rd version? No. Why not? Because you, most likely, heard the demo and Mazarati version afterwards. I am not attempting to argue quality (different strokes etc.), just pondering the silliness of fan entitlement based on bootlegs we shouldn't have. [Edited 7/16/09 9:58am] "New Power slide...." |
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L4OATheOriginal said: so let me get this straight, if wendy and lisa were not on the version from 1985-1986 and let's just say boni boyer was on it instead, people would bitch about this new version cause boni wouldn't b on it?
damnum, except Boni isn't on the original and W&L are 
I don't think it has anything to do with who's playing on it, except for the fact that the people who played on it originally made it one hell of a kick ass track compared to what this new version is. | |
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skywalker said: Okay, I get it.
We Prince fans have (though we are not supposed to) bootlegs and have "lived" with "In a Large Room..." for years now. Therefore, we are entitled to bitch and moan when this new version doesn't sound like the original, which is essentially a demo version. Also... Since this is the "official" release of the song, shouldn't it be treated as the official release and not as the "2009" version. Do you call the version of "Kiss" the 1986 3rd version? No. Why not? Because you, most likely, heard the demo and Mazarati version afterwards. I am not attempting to argue quality (different strokes etc.), just pondering the silliness of fan entitlement based on bootlegs we shouldn't have. [Edited 7/16/09 9:58am] I'm not really sure what your point is. I'd call this the official version and the old one the original version. Doesn't seem that confusing to me, really. | |
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I wonder why the track wasn't posted on Prince's subscription web site LotusScam.com for paying members? | |
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...can anyone post the lyrics to this song?...PLEASE!..thankx in advance 
. ...prince sounds like he is having FUN with this one... ..if u can pass ur history class...u will be alright...L-O-V-E IT!!.. ..mzsexybaby  ..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind | |
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love it ! sounds great. | |
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Good jazzy song with a good pace. | |
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i don't understand how this track can get anyone as passionately polarized as what i'm seeing on this thread. it's not great and it's not horrible. the fact that he remade the song in the first place has great novelty value to me - i think it's fun that he did it at all. when i saw the news, i didn't expect the new version to be earth-shattering, but i knew i'd find it interesting. and i was right on all counts.
i don't think it's the most horrible thing prince has ever done. far, FAR from it. and for those who think it's just the most amazing thing ever, well, good for you, i guess. if you like it that much, then making the track wasn't a wasted effort on prince's part. 
the only "passionate" opinion i can agree with on here is that it should have been made available on LF.com, or at the very least he should have sent out a message about it on the LF.com mailing list. the fact that he didn't sends a message loud and clear that his official web site is D-E-A-D. | |
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Wow, just listened to the promo piece again.....
evokes the image of the  beating down on your skin....sitting in a meadow or on a hill, blanket beneath...picnic basket full of exotic  light crackers or fresh baked bread, a bottle of chardonnay or your favorite red...assorted berries with a touch of grand marnier...you bring the salad and I'll bring the pasta...I made some fried chicken--cause you like it--don't forget the sunscreen and a sweater (just in case it gets chilly when the sun goes down.) 
Cheers, L'Chaim [Edited 7/16/09 10:31am] | |
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muleFunk said: Some people would criticize Jesus if he gave them a glass of ice water in Hell.
Well, yea. He's Jesus. Don't you think the son of God could do a bit better than a glass of ice water? If he came all the way to Hell, least he could do is get you out of there. Studies have shown the ass crack of the average Prince fan to be abnormally large. This explains the ease and frequency of their panties bunching up in it. |
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