Vashtix said:

amethyst68 said:

Vashtix said: Prince met Carmen in 1991. He met Mayte in 1990. She had his heart, hence The Love Symbol album he recorded from 1990-1992.

Why do you think the love symbol album was for M1?

Because Prince said it was. He mentions it in their wedding program. Have you listened to the album?

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See your point. But why such an elaborate construct? What motivates someone to do that? It takes a degree of effort that natural social interaction seldom requires. Neverland in Peter Pan is an elaborate place constructed by an author..its a fiction and its requires its main character to stubbornly stay in childhood, to remove himself from the world and live in a fantasy world. why do that? There are certainly egotists out there who don't go to this kind of effort. Yes, people enabled Prince but his self-protective attempt to control everything around him (IMO) seems to imply a kind of vulnerabilty that I find kind of disturbing. The thing is that a rock star can just fuck around (excuse the language but it applies) with groupies and gold-diggers and lavish them with gifts (and continue being as promiscious as they want--with NDA's and money being thrown around) without having to manipulate or construct these kind of mind tricks (that I suspect he played not only on others but also on himself.) I suspect that Prince was not fearless where emotions and his social life was concerned. I suspect that he compensated for abandonment issues and paranoia by constructing a delusion that allowed him to romanticize relationships, compartmentalize himself into little pieces so that not one person had all the pieces in their possession, shift from relationship to relationship and keep women on retainer in order to insure that he was never alone but he was never totally possessed by any one person. I suspect that Prince that deep down his confidence in himself as just himself in natural state was lacking. He compensated in so many ways, it was almost funny. I do think P had fondness for the women in his life...genuinely. He was too attentive to not have genuine fondness but I do think he was terrified of true long-term unconditional intimacy. Being fearless in art, sex, and business, obviously does not make one fearless in all ways.

This is all theory, mind you, but considering how Prince's life began and how it ended (and all the control and effort in between) , there obviously was something deeper going on than just a spoiled rock star with a libido and a big ego.

purplefam99 said:

purplerabbithole said:

So Prince was Peter Pan from Never never land...is that what you mean? Delusional? Insular? Child-like? When you said Prince had a neverland too even though it was different--I couldn't help but think you were talking about MJ's neverland ranch..its an understandable assumption , is it not?

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Please see where I said “his Neverland was different” Different, not Peter’s. I think he had one of his own design And characteristics.

Good point. Her mother might be a bigger gold-digger than she ever was. The book is making money though (and that kind of taints things a bit.)

purplefam99 said:

purplerabbithole said:

I never said you didn't like his women. I am geniunely trying to understand the two thumbs up comment.

Ok i didn't want to be thrown into one of those protege camps that I hear Exist. I was worried when you said “ do I just sympathize with her” Made me nervous. Ok good now onward. Oh perhaps the two thumbs up was over zealous. Just saying that I’m ok with the book I read it, thought she was speaking her side which I think her right. I didn’t like the timing of it at all!!! That was tacky. To me any memoirs shouldnt be coming out till 3 yr after 4/21. But If her mama set her up to gold dig mayte didn’t in the divorce and I respect that. To me that action shows love/care. I like that action she did with that decision.

purplerabbithole said:

Well just quickly, Prince was an author too, of his songs. He needed imaginative places to create his songs. I think it was part of his process.

purplerabbithole said:

Well she did share “her” story and took the time to write it so I can’t begrudge her and monetary gain she makes when that is what writers get paid to do.

purplefam99 said:

Vashtix said:

Prince was not into that M1 marriage- it seems he played mind games on many women and that includes his wives.

Yes his Neverland was different but he had one none the less.

Geniuses are different than the rest of us and I am not gonna judge.

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Prince was Prince and he is missed.

Good point.

I don't understand the notion that he forced her to wait 2 years. He was controlling but at this point did she not still have other options? I always wondered where this 'force' is coming from. Was he going to sabotage her career in Cairo if she didn't go along with him? Was he a sexual harraser? If she was worried about her career, she and her parents should have just gone to Cairo. If I decide to go to the college my potential boyfriend attends (for example) and my parents go along with it and then the relationship doesn't work out in the long run, is it my boyfriend's fault entirely (even if he did use guilt trips to try to get me to go where he was..)

BTW, do you honestly buy that being a belly dancer in Cairo (ultimately) would have made her more famous and more money than working for Prince front and center?. Even if she had continued making money in Cairo, her shelf-life would have been short. Do you know of any particularly successful belly dancers in Cairo. Mayte had enough connections after Prince to date another rock star so she was living and existing in social circles she never had access to as a dancer in Cairo. She has pride in her work as a dancer and the money she was able to make as a kid but its just a niche type of talent. I can't imagine it translating into a long career and I think her mom understood that. It didn't work out like they thought it would. The reality is that the entertainment industry is a tough one and there are no guarantees even if a famous rock star (or two) backs you or. Dancing is not the most lucrative job in the entertainment industry but its harder for those who don't have a resume like Mayte (dancing and appearing in numerous Prince vidoes and stage shows) She didn't try to get a lot of his money 20 years ago but if she knew how tough the entertainment industry would be for her in the long run, she might have tried to get more of his money. But that all being said, I imagine reality shows and "tell-all" books are more lucrative than being a 44 year old belly dancer.

Vashtix said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

The people who say that Mayte stalked him forget, that it was Prince who called all the time, it was Prince who told her she was in the band, but the first video she apeared in was in 1992, so if I got this right, she waited for two years and missed her chance with cairo, because he made her wait.

And yes she could've gone to cairo, but don't forget her age, and I think she was a little naive too. Because she was so young and in awe, because she met prince and even better, he called her too, they were talking on the phone. Just imagine it was one of you, you would've forgot ciaro too.

I would never blame Mayte, if I would have to blame anyone, I would blame her parents, especially her mother. She was the one who urged Mayte to do the video, Mayte didn't want to do it at first because she thought that he wouldn't be interested in it. But she couldn't know that Prince falls in love with her looks.

I think he respected what she did and that she did it since she was a child. I think he loved her passion for belly dancing. And she loved him and his passion for his music.

I wouldn't say they didn't love each other, because you could see it up until the tragic loss of their child and the misscariage. He loved her and she loved him, that's for sure.

But was it right? Well, if it's true that he waited with the relationship until she was 20 or older, than I see nothing wrong because both are adults, I don't care if their adults and there are a lot of couples with great age gaps that really do work but they managed to begin the relationship on the same level, Prince didn't do that. Prince manipulated her from the beginning, making her wait for two years, and telling her she can't go to cairo, because she's in the band. I don't think that's right. He should've started the relationship in another way. But Prince was controlling, Mayte is not the first person to say that, and the funny thing is, she protects him in every interview I've seen so far. She even protects him when it comes to his controlling ways, she never really attacks him for that.

Is she blind? Maybe, but that only shows you how much she still loves the man. Because love can make you blind. And don't forget her age when she was married to him.

You forget that this was all in book that came out after he died. We will never know what really went down cause Prince was not around to tell his side of the story.

[Edited 12/17/17 21:40pm]

purplerabbithole said:

I think because he got away with so much woman wise he was able to use
That realm and create his Construct he used it to fuel his music. I feel
This way no one else has too btw. I think if he had run into road blocks in the
Cheating on women department his Construct would look different. But it really never suffered serious road blocks, that is why I think we see no growth
In this area for him. But beats me. Edited out Neverland to avoid more MJ
Confusion.
[Edited 12/17/17 21:43pm]
[Edited 12/17/17 21:44pm]

Are you saying he created romantic and sexual drama for himself so that he could have something to write about in his songs? I am just trying to understand. Do you think his art/music comes from a vacuum that he had to fill with artificial romantic fantasy?

Also, why do you think women enabled him so? What did they see in him? I know what I see in him from a far but what do you think they saw in him? Also, what kind of roadblocks are you talking about? Abandonment by most women? Public shaming? Did he not get some fall-out for his behavior while he was alive? There have been a lot of books about him, have there not? Would he have had to have had someone attack him physically or press sexual harassment charges against to change this construct or could it had been that women stopped coming around years ago?

purplefam99 said:

purplerabbithole said:

See your point. But why such an elaborate construct? What motivates someone to do that? It takes a degree of effort that natural social interaction seldom requires. Neverland in Peter Pan is an elaborate place constructed by an author..its a fiction and its requires its main character to stubbornly stay in childhood, to remove himself from the world and live in a fantasy world. why do that? There are certainly egotists out there who don't go to this kind of effort. Yes, people enabled Prince but his self-protective attempt to control everything around him (IMO) seems to imply a kind of vulnerabilty that I find kind of disturbing. The thing is that a rock star can just fuck around (excuse the language but it applies) with groupies and gold-diggers and lavish them with gifts (and continue being as promiscious as they want--with NDA's and money being thrown around) without having to manipulate or construct these kind of mind tricks (that I suspect he played not only on others but also on himself.) I suspect that Prince was not fearless where emotions and his social life was concerned. I suspect that he compensated for abandonment issues and paranoia by constructing a delusion that allowed him to romanticize relationships, compartmentalize himself into little pieces so that not one person had all the pieces in their possession, shift from relationship to relationship and keep women on retainer in order to insure that he was never alone but he was never totally possessed by any one person. I suspect that Prince that deep down his confidence in himself as just himself in natural state was lacking. He compensated in so many ways, it was almost funny. I do think P had fondness for the women in his life...genuinely. He was too attentive to not have genuine fondness but I do think he was terrified of true long-term unconditional intimacy. Being fearless in art, sex, and business, obviously does not make one fearless in all ways.

This is all theory, mind you, but considering how Prince's life began and how it ended (and all the control and effort in between) , there obviously was something deeper going on than just a spoiled rock star with a libido and a big ego.

I think because he got away with so much woman wise he was able to use That realm and create his Neverland, he used it to fuel his music. I feel This way no one else has too btw. I think if he had run into road blocks in the Cheating on women department his Neverland would look different. But it really never suffered serious road blocks, that is why I think we see no growth In this area for him. But beats me. [Edited 12/17/17 21:43pm]

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Vashtix said:

purplefam99 said:

endiadj said: If you had the look you for sure had a seat at the table.

Yes and M1 knew it.

Carmen was the woman when M1 showed up and Nona was around too- M1 never had him exclusively-what she did have was a baby. Much respect to the pregnancy.

It is sort of sad in a way.

Prince was never a 1 woman man. Look at all the ones he had when Vanity showed up.

The book was written before he died.

Vashtix said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

The people who say that Mayte stalked him forget, that it was Prince who called all the time, it was Prince who told her she was in the band, but the first video she apeared in was in 1992, so if I got this right, she waited for two years and missed her chance with cairo, because he made her wait.

And yes she could've gone to cairo, but don't forget her age, and I think she was a little naive too. Because she was so young and in awe, because she met prince and even better, he called her too, they were talking on the phone. Just imagine it was one of you, you would've forgot ciaro too.

I would never blame Mayte, if I would have to blame anyone, I would blame her parents, especially her mother. She was the one who urged Mayte to do the video, Mayte didn't want to do it at first because she thought that he wouldn't be interested in it. But she couldn't know that Prince falls in love with her looks.

I think he respected what she did and that she did it since she was a child. I think he loved her passion for belly dancing. And she loved him and his passion for his music.

I wouldn't say they didn't love each other, because you could see it up until the tragic loss of their child and the misscariage. He loved her and she loved him, that's for sure.

But was it right? Well, if it's true that he waited with the relationship until she was 20 or older, than I see nothing wrong because both are adults, I don't care if their adults and there are a lot of couples with great age gaps that really do work but they managed to begin the relationship on the same level, Prince didn't do that. Prince manipulated her from the beginning, making her wait for two years, and telling her she can't go to cairo, because she's in the band. I don't think that's right. He should've started the relationship in another way. But Prince was controlling, Mayte is not the first person to say that, and the funny thing is, she protects him in every interview I've seen so far. She even protects him when it comes to his controlling ways, she never really attacks him for that.

Is she blind? Maybe, but that only shows you how much she still loves the man. Because love can make you blind. And don't forget her age when she was married to him.

You forget that this was all in book that came out after he died. We will never know what really went down cause Prince was not around to tell his side of the story.

PennyPurple said:

But did he ever read a copy of it? Maybe he simply heard she was writing a book about him/them and put a stop to it never knowing what was inside.

endiadj said:

PennyPurple said:

The book was written before he died.

But did he ever read a copy of it? Maybe he simply heard she was writing a book about him/them and put a stop to it never knowing what was inside.

I don't think he read a copy of the book. I think it was just him being the controll freak he was.

endiadj said:

He didn’t put a stop to Mayte’s book.

amethyst68 said:

So in 17 years she just didn't want to put the book out but as soon as Prince drops dead she does? Why?

ThatWhiteDude said:

endiadj said:

PennyPurple said: But did he ever read a copy of it? Maybe he simply heard she was writing a book about him/them and put a stop to it never knowing what was inside.

I don't think he read a copy of the book. I think it was just him being the controll freak he was.

He is a control freak because he did not want his ex-wife discussing one of the most horrible times in his life for the sole purpose of making a buck.

Imagine the nerve of wanting to keep your private life private.

endiadj said:

Why do you ask the same questions over and over again when Mayte has said she was writing the book before his death. She started writing the book in 2015. What is so hard to understand about it? It’s her life story to tell when she decided to tell it. She has every right to write about her life AND make money from it. After all, she spent over 20 years listening to other people tell her story or what they assumed was her story. Now you’re mad because she decides to speak about it?

amethyst68 said:

Let's face it, no one would read a book about Mayte's life. It was Prince who was of interest to the GP. Same with any other person associated with him who writes a book. And, no, I don't take her word for it that she didn't want to write a book and put it out while he was alive. Like she said, she didn't get any of that Purple Rain money, so when he died, it was her opportunity to cash in, finally.

endiadj said:

PennyPurple said:

The book was written before he died.

But did he ever read a copy of it? Maybe he simply heard she was writing a book about him/them and put a stop to it never knowing what was inside.

I don't think he stopped it. He probably didn't read it, because he died.

endiadj said:

amethyst68 said:

He didn’t put a stop to Mayte’s book.

So in 17 years she just didn't want to put the book out but as soon as Prince drops dead she does? Why?

Probably for the same reason everyone else is writing books.

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I don't think he read a copy of the book. I think it was just him being the controll freak he was.

He is a control freak because he did not want his ex-wife discussing one of the most horrible times in his life for the sole purpose of making a buck.

Imagine the nerve of wanting to keep your private life private.

It was also her child, she has the right to talk about it.

endiadj said:

If she wants to cash in on HER lifestory, she can. It’s her story! I’m glad she told it because like I said others have tried to tell it for years. The same goes with Prince. Big deal if you don’t choose to read but plenty people did that’s why it was a New York Times Bestseller.

amethyst68 said:

endiadj said:

Let's face it, no one would read a book about Mayte's life. It was Prince who was of interest to the GP. Same with any other person associated with him who writes a book. And, no, I don't take her word for it that she didn't want to write a book and put it out while he was alive. Like she said, she didn't get any of that Purple Rain money, so when he died, it was her opportunity to cash in, finally.

If she wants to cash in on HER lifestory, she can. It’s her story! I’m glad she told it because like I said others have tried to tell it for years. The same goes with Prince. Big deal if you don’t choose to read but plenty people did that’s why it was a New York Times Bestseller.

Yep. It's really a great book and I don't get all the hate.

PennyPurple said:

Exactly!

Empress said:

Poor orghorse.

amethyst68 said:

endiadj said:

Let's face it, no one would read a book about Mayte's life. It was Prince who was of interest to the GP. Same with any other person associated with him who writes a book. And, no, I don't take her word for it that she didn't want to write a book and put it out while he was alive. Like she said, she didn't get any of that Purple Rain money, so when he died, it was her opportunity to cash in, finally.

If she wants to cash in on HER lifestory, she can. It’s her story! I’m glad she told it because like I said others have tried to tell it for years. The same goes with Prince. Big deal if you don’t choose to read but plenty people did that’s why it was a New York Times Bestseller.

Then she should have just told her side. You cannot speak for someone that you have not interacted with in 20 years and think you know their thoughts.

Why would other people want to or need to tell this story? What is the purpose other then to make money which you so proudly point out she was able to do. He never talked about this chick in public at all and it is common decentcy for her to do the same but she has none so this is what you get.

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

He is a control freak because he did not want his ex-wife discussing one of the most horrible times in his life for the sole purpose of making a buck.

Imagine the nerve of wanting to keep your private life private.

It was also her child, she has the right to talk about it.

But she spends more time talking about Prince then the child. The child only lived a week for goodness sake. No one in this world would care about Mayte if she was never married to Prince. That is the reason his face is splashed on the front cover of the book.

No one outside of the fan base cares about this women and as far as I know the proceeds do not go to charity to help find a cure for birth defects. It is not about that child it is all about her.

You are delusional if you cannot see that.

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laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

It was also her child, she has the right to talk about it.

But she spends more time talking about Prince then the child. The child only lived a week for goodness sake. No one in this world would care about Mayte if she was never married to Prince. That is the reason his fact is splashed on the front cover of the book.

No one outside of the fan base cares about this women and as far as I know the proceeds do not go to charity to help find a cure for birth defects. It is not about that child it is all about her.

You are delusional if you cannot see that.

Bla bla bla

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

But she spends more time talking about Prince then the child. The child only lived a week for goodness sake. No one in this world would care about Mayte if she was never married to Prince. That is the reason his fact is splashed on the front cover of the book.

No one outside of the fan base cares about this women and as far as I know the proceeds do not go to charity to help find a cure for birth defects. It is not about that child it is all about her.

You are delusional if you cannot see that.

Bla bla bla

You just proved my point but continue to live in La La land.