PennyPurple said:

Was the shirts her shirts to wear? Did she pay for those shirts? Did she pay for any of her belongings? I doubt anything he destroyed belonged to her. I doubt the BMW was even in her name. The truth is most people scatter ashes and I would not be surprised if Prince scattered the ashes. Her stuff he burned because one it was his to burn and that was his wsy of erasing her from his life. I do not think or say dudes do not say shit on fire or knock down houses unless some free goods were given away by the wife. If he wanted to just divorce them because he wanted to move on I doubt we would have saw this drama.

We still do not know if M1 inquiried about the Urn since he has passed.

MonaLiza said:

— The media mentions Mayte because she has never stopped using her marriage to Prince to get PR otherwise no one would care.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

So you are saying that her belongings were his to do with what he wanted?

So since you think that, why do you think the belongings that she had of his that were left in the house in Spain, were not hers to do with what she wanted? Because, that's what you've said......

Was the shirts her shirts to wear? Did she pay for those shirts? Did she pay for any of her belongings? I doubt anything he destroyed belonged to her. I doubt the BMW was even in her name. The truth is most people scatter ashes and I would not be surprised if Prince scattered the ashes. Her stuff he burned because one it was his to burn and that was his wsy of erasing her from his life. I do not think or say dudes do not say shit on fire or knock down houses unless some free goods were given away by the wife. If he wanted to just divorce them because he wanted to move on I doubt we would have saw this drama. We still do not know if M1 inquiried about the Urn since he has passed.

Twist and shout baby, twist and shout.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said: Was the shirts her shirts to wear? Did she pay for those shirts? Did she pay for any of her belongings? I doubt anything he destroyed belonged to her. I doubt the BMW was even in her name. The truth is most people scatter ashes and I would not be surprised if Prince scattered the ashes. Her stuff he burned because one it was his to burn and that was his wsy of erasing her from his life. I do not think or say dudes do not say shit on fire or knock down houses unless some free goods were given away by the wife. If he wanted to just divorce them because he wanted to move on I doubt we would have saw this drama. We still do not know if M1 inquiried about the Urn since he has passed.

Twist and shout baby, twist and shout.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

So you are saying that her belongings were his to do with what he wanted?

So since you think that, why do you think the belongings that she had of his that were left in the house in Spain, were not hers to do with what she wanted? Because, that's what you've said......

Was the shirts her shirts to wear? Did she pay for those shirts? Did she pay for any of her belongings? I doubt anything he destroyed belonged to her. I doubt the BMW was even in her name. The truth is most people scatter ashes and I would not be surprised if Prince scattered the ashes. Her stuff he burned because one it was his to burn and that was his wsy of erasing her from his life. I do not think or say dudes do not say shit on fire or knock down houses unless some free goods were given away by the wife. If he wanted to just divorce them because he wanted to move on I doubt we would have saw this drama. We still do not know if M1 inquiried about the Urn since he has passed.

You do know that the shirts he bought her can be considered as presents, right? And that they belong to her. Or are the things you buy someone for their birthdays etc yours? If you think that way it's really poor. And if he thought that way, it's poor too, because he acted like a fool, burning her stuff. It's just a little insane if you ask me.

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said: Was the shirts her shirts to wear? Did she pay for those shirts? Did she pay for any of her belongings? I doubt anything he destroyed belonged to her. I doubt the BMW was even in her name. The truth is most people scatter ashes and I would not be surprised if Prince scattered the ashes. Her stuff he burned because one it was his to burn and that was his wsy of erasing her from his life. I do not think or say dudes do not say shit on fire or knock down houses unless some free goods were given away by the wife. If he wanted to just divorce them because he wanted to move on I doubt we would have saw this drama. We still do not know if M1 inquiried about the Urn since he has passed.

You do know that the shirts he bought her can be considered as presents, right? And that they belong to her. Or are the things you buy someone for their birthdays etc yours? If you think that way it's really poor. And if he thought that way, it's poor too, because he acted like a fool, burning her stuff. It's just a little insane if you ask me.

i have to agree TWD ^^ it was poor and tacky on his behalf.

I'm pretty sure any gifts that were given to Mayte during her marriage to Prince would be her property.

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Yes, burning your Ex's things does seem a little cray-cray, but it was Prince's way of closing one chapter in his life and moving onto another. Don't hate the man because he had real life problems; we all do!

laurarichardson said:

Lies. They mention her because she was his wife, the mother of his child and the love of his life. She can continue to mention his name as long as she walks the face of this earth. You do.

cloveringold85 said:

No hate in the house for P. But yes that type of acting out
Cray cray indeed. What got into him to do something so extreme??

Repressed emotions? either Prince was going to disolve into a puddle of depression due to the disturbing nature of his son's syndrome and death or he was going to have to cope. His coping mechanism (religious zealousness) didn't align with hers. It was an extreme loss so it likely would garner an extreme reaction. If he or Mayte lost their minds a little, well, its to be expected.

purplefam99 said:

cloveringold85 said:

I'm pretty sure any gifts that were given to Mayte during her marriage to Prince would be her property.

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Yes, burning your Ex's things does seem a little cray-cray, but it was Prince's way of closing one chapter in his life and moving onto another. Don't hate the man because he had real life problems; we all do!

No hate in the house for P. But yes that type of acting out Cray cray indeed. What got into him to do something so extreme??

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purplerabbithole said:

I thought this action was in response to the end of the relationship. I didn’t view this act as a repressed emotion from the baby’s death. I don’t at all
Blame any parent for doing rash things post losing a child. This seemed to be directed more at M1 directly. And I think that extreme reaction for someone who
Moved forward easily. But I suppose repressed emotions could be at play

How could these things (the child's death and the end of their relationship) not be linked?? He destroyed "her stuff", the baby stuff and the urn. Their marital problems were partly because she wouldn't go along with his plans for salvation etc,,,a plan that started after he supposedly started blaming his and his wife's behavior for the terrible condition his child was born with. As he joined the Larry Graham cult version of JW, he also started cheating more (maybe to drive her away or test her loyalty or because they weren't talking anymore due to marital tension) Later when he burned her and the baby's stuff, even Mayte stated that Prince was cauterizing the wound when he did what he did. the man was messed up. If he was doing it just to spite his ex wife, he would have let her know. If you recall, someone else told her that he did those things. He might have been angry at her, sure. But emotions (even conflicting ones) have a way of being linked together.

I don't imagine he was already over the loss of that kid by three years later. That event changed his life and in some ways he remained changed. When he told Manuela that that the Chanhausen house was "infected", I dont think it was because of one thing that happened there (or one thing Manuela might have done), I suspect it was because of a series of losses he couldn't cope with (not excluding stuff with Mayte). I suspect that Prince was much more fragile guy than he wanted people to believe and leapt to doing things like burning down houses and stuff and joining strict religious sects when he couldn't cope with his feelings. We assume he moved on quickly and easily but unless we are in his mind we don't know how "easy" it was everytime he broke up or was broke up with. I always think about his rendition of Empty room. There is a ton of emotion coming out of him during that song.. I don't think it came from a vacuum. sometimes people feel left even when they push people away (especially people with abandonment issues.)

purplefam99 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Repressed emotions? either Prince was going to disolve into a puddle of depression due to the disturbing nature of his son's syndrome and death or he was going to have to cope. His coping mechanism (religious zealousness) didn't align with hers. It was an extreme loss so it likely would garner an extreme reaction. If he or Mayte lost their minds a little, well, its to be expected.

[Edited 12/20/17 20:41pm]

I thought this action was in response to the end of the relationship. I didn’t view this act as a repressed emotion from the baby’s death. I don’t at all Blame any parent for doing rash things post losing a child. This seemed to be directed more at M1 directly. And I think that extreme reaction for someone who Moved forward easily. But I suppose repressed emotions could be at play

[Edited 12/20/17 21:57pm]

Let's not forget that this burning stuff story isn't fact. Even Mayte doesn't state it as fact in her book, she says she was TOLD that's what happened. Did anyone else get the impression when you read this that it could have been Mani who told her? If so, I wouldn't believe a word she said. The words manipulation,jealousy and one-upmanship spring to mind.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Legally presents can be taken back. No money was exchanged for the gifts. It is not about what I think it is about reality. Also I have stated dudes do not go around burning stuff unless some booty was be given away or suspected to be given away. Mayte is never going to tell us the whole story about the burning because it would make her look bad and she needs to sell books and belly dancing lessons.

petalthecat said:

—-I think it was M2 who told her. Who the hell knows way she would listen to anything she had to say much less associate with her.

laurarichardson said:

Wow, you excuse everything he did just to portray Mayte in a Bad light even if she was the victim.

That shows once again that you personally don't like.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Wow, you excuse everything he did just to portray Mayte in a Bad light even if she was the victim. That shows once again that you personally don't like.

You got that right TWD. It's sad in a way, she's victim blaming. There were mistakes on both sides of thier marriage, but Laura thinks Mayte was to blame (and still is) for everything.

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

Legally presents can be taken back. No money was exchanged for the gifts. It is not about what I think it is about reality. Also I have stated dudes do not go around burning stuff unless some booty was be given away or suspected to be given away. Mayte is never going to tell us the whole story about the burning because it would make her look bad and she needs to sell books and belly dancing lessons.

Wow, you excuse everything he did just to portray Mayte in a Bad light even if she was the victim. That shows once again that you personally don't like.

I am not excusing I am telling you why he I think he did it. Whatever you think it was wrong or right is not important. I do not have to try and make Mayte look bad she does a great job of that on her own.

Crying and whining over a man who treated you like crap when he decided he was done with you 20 years on is not a smart move.

Prince was a dog and she knew that when and while she was married to him. He might have been a really good dad but he was not a good boyfriend or husband and she should have saw that from the begining.

JWs, Larry or M2 had nothing to do with his cave man attitude toward women. My guess is he was raised that way and he may have toned it down as he got older but he never stopped chasing women.

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said: Wow, you excuse everything he did just to portray Mayte in a Bad light even if she was the victim. That shows once again that you personally don't like.

I am not excusing I am telling you why he I think he did it. Whatever you think it was wrong or right is not important. I do not have to try and make Mayte look bad she does a great job of that on her own.

Crying and whining over a man who treated you like crap when he decided he was done with you 20 years on is not a smart move.

Prince was a dog and she knew that when and while she was married to him. He might have been a really good dad but he was not a good boyfriend or husband and she should have saw that from the begining.

JWs, Larry or M2 had nothing to do with his cave man attitude toward women. My guess is he was raised that way and he may have toned it down as he got older but he never stopped chasing women.

First of all, you are excusing his bad and poor behavior and the second thing is, you actually do portray Mayte in a bad light. Because she's not really doing anything bad, she just wrote HER STORY down and YOU got a problem with that. And who the eff are you to judge her when she's crying for Prince? She loved the man! She was married to him, she had his baby! HE wanted the divorce NOT HER, so just TRY to imagine how she must feel! But I bet you can't, because, and I'm going by your comments, you are heartless.

And wow, you are calling Prince a dog? How disrespectful is this shit? How disgusting is that? You claim to be a fan and call him a dog? "My guess is this, my guess is that" well, it doesn't mean shit Laura. You can go on and claim that you don't hate Mayte, we got a lot of comments that debunk your claims about that. And you can go on and claim you're a fan of Prince, but the truth is, calling him a dog doesn't make you look or sound like a loving fan. It's utterly disgusting, and, if you ask me, you sound like a bitter brat, for whatever reason there is.

PennyPurple said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Wow, you excuse everything he did just to portray Mayte in a Bad light even if she was the victim. That shows once again that you personally don't like.

You got that right TWD. It's sad in a way, she's victim blaming. There were mistakes on both sides of thier marriage, but Laura thinks Mayte was to blame (and still is) for everything.

I bet she'd talk differently if it was about Vanity.

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

I am not excusing I am telling you why he I think he did it. Whatever you think it was wrong or right is not important. I do not have to try and make Mayte look bad she does a great job of that on her own.

Crying and whining over a man who treated you like crap when he decided he was done with you 20 years on is not a smart move.

Prince was a dog and she knew that when and while she was married to him. He might have been a really good dad but he was not a good boyfriend or husband and she should have saw that from the begining.

JWs, Larry or M2 had nothing to do with his cave man attitude toward women. My guess is he was raised that way and he may have toned it down as he got older but he never stopped chasing women.

First of all, you are excusing his bad and poor behavior and the second thing is, you actually do portray Mayte in a bad light. Because she's not really doing anything bad, she just wrote HER STORY down and YOU got a problem with that. And who the eff are you to judge her when she's crying for Prince? She loved the man! She was married to him, she had his baby! HE wanted the divorce NOT HER, so just TRY to imagine how she must feel! But I bet you can't, because, and I'm going by your comments, you are heartless.

And wow, you are calling Prince a dog? How disrespectful is this shit? How disgusting is that? You claim to be a fan and call him a dog? "My guess is this, my guess is that" well, it doesn't mean shit Laura. You can go on and claim that you don't hate Mayte, we got a lot of comments that debunk your claims about that. And you can go on and claim you're a fan of Prince, but the truth is, calling him a dog doesn't make you look or sound like a loving fan. It's utterly disgusting, and, if you ask me, you sound like a bitter brat, for whatever reason there is.

Make up your mine. First I am excusing him and then I am disrespecting him. I am stating what are known facts. Nothing I have said is not true and I bet if Prince were alive he would agree that he was doggish in his young years. The evidence is there we all know it to be true.

Get on this planet and get in touch with reality.

ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said:

You got that right TWD. It's sad in a way, she's victim blaming. There were mistakes on both sides of thier marriage, but Laura thinks Mayte was to blame (and still is) for everything.

I bet she'd talk differently if it was about Vanity.

Vanity had enough sense to move on with her life. Remember she left him because he was cheating on her often times right in front of her face. Vanity made a smart move and left.

Keeping ingnoring the facts if you want it will not change them.

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

First of all, you are excusing his bad and poor behavior and the second thing is, you actually do portray Mayte in a bad light. Because she's not really doing anything bad, she just wrote HER STORY down and YOU got a problem with that. And who the eff are you to judge her when she's crying for Prince? She loved the man! She was married to him, she had his baby! HE wanted the divorce NOT HER, so just TRY to imagine how she must feel! But I bet you can't, because, and I'm going by your comments, you are heartless.

And wow, you are calling Prince a dog? How disrespectful is this shit? How disgusting is that? You claim to be a fan and call him a dog? "My guess is this, my guess is that" well, it doesn't mean shit Laura. You can go on and claim that you don't hate Mayte, we got a lot of comments that debunk your claims about that. And you can go on and claim you're a fan of Prince, but the truth is, calling him a dog doesn't make you look or sound like a loving fan. It's utterly disgusting, and, if you ask me, you sound like a bitter brat, for whatever reason there is.

Make up your mine. First I am excusing him and then I am disrespecting him. I am stating what are known facts. Nothing I have said is not true and I bet if Prince were alive he would agree that he was doggish in his young years. The evidence is there we all know it to be true.

Get on this planet and get in touch with reality.

bahahahahahaha since when Laura? Oh my god, seriously I am laughing so hard right now! Actually, all you EVER DID ON THIS BOARD is stating your opinion, since you ain't got the insight, just like the rest of us. I think it's You who should get in touch with reality!

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I bet she'd talk differently if it was about Vanity.

Vanity had enough sense to move on with her life. Remember she left him because he was cheating on her often times right in front of her face. Vanity made a smart move and left.

Keeping ingnoring the facts if you want it will not change them.

Mayte grew up in a household where her parents always came back together, she always believed that her and Prince would get back together 2. There's nothing wrong with that and it doesn't make her stupid.

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amethyst68 said:

laurarichardson said:

— The media mentions Mayte because she has never stopped using her marriage to Prince to get PR otherwise no one would care.

Lies. They mention her because she was his wife, the mother of his child and the love of his life. She can continue to mention his name as long as she walks the face of this earth. You do.

Funny Jill Jones said Vanity was the love of his life and he stayed in touch with her up and til 2012.

We have no evidence at all that he stayed in touch with Mayte none.

If someone were the love of you life would you at least stay in touch with them? Think about it for a minute.

laurarichardson said:

amethyst68 said:

laurarichardson said: Lies. They mention her because she was his wife, the mother of his child and the love of his life. She can continue to mention his name as long as she walks the face of this earth. You do.

Funny Jill Jones said Vanity was the love of his life and he stayed in touch with her up and til 2012.

We have no evidence at all that he stayed in touch with Mayte none.

If someone were the love of you life would you at least stay in touch with them? Think about it for a minute.

And that's an evidence? I don't remember her name, she's a bald singer and worked with prince, she stated that Mayte was his love of his life. So we got two women who claim things they can't really know.

And Mayte said they stayed in touch, that could be an evidence too. But you won't believe it because she said that. But you blindly believe Jill Jones when she claims the same shit about Vanity and Prince.

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

Funny Jill Jones said Vanity was the love of his life and he stayed in touch with her up and til 2012.

We have no evidence at all that he stayed in touch with Mayte none.

If someone were the love of you life would you at least stay in touch with them? Think about it for a minute.

And that's an evidence? I don't remember her name, she's a bald singer and worked with prince, she stated that Mayte was his love of his life. So we got two women who claim things they can't really know.

And Mayte said they stayed in touch, that could be an evidence too. But you won't believe it because she said that. But you blindly believe Jill Jones when she claims the same shit about Vanity and Prince.

The bald women is repeating what Mayte told her. Vanity's brother in law claims he has a storage locker filled with e-mails and cards between Vanity and Prince. So we have two people stating this and now photos of Vanity and Prince together years after she left his camp.

No evidence that he was anywhere around Mayte. She had to go and buy a ticket to get into a concert. Would you have to do that if you were still the love of someone's life. Would you be auctioning off stuff and banding his draws around on T.V?

Use your head.

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

And that's an evidence? I don't remember her name, she's a bald singer and worked with prince, she stated that Mayte was his love of his life. So we got two women who claim things they can't really know.

And Mayte said they stayed in touch, that could be an evidence too. But you won't believe it because she said that. But you blindly believe Jill Jones when she claims the same shit about Vanity and Prince.

The bald women is repeating what Mayte told her. Vanity's brother in law claims he has a storage locker filled with e-mails and cards between Vanity and Prince. So we have two people stating this and now photos of Vanity and Prince together years after she left his camp.

No evidence that he was anywhere around Mayte. She had to go and buy a ticket to get into a concert. Would you have to do that if you were still the love of someone's life. Would you be auctioning off stuff and banding his draws around on T.V?

Use your head.

Yeah right. Are really this slow Laura? I'm sorry, but you can't hide it. You simply never got over the fact that Prince and Vanity split years ago and that he found happiness with Mayte until this tragedy happened. You just can't wrap your head around that. And I know this pictures, it's from the 80's Laura.........and if I'm correct, it's from a press conference for Vanity 6's Album. So yeah, you make up shit.

And if her brother in law has this evidence he could show it right? But no, all he does is claiming shit, maybe he repeats what Vanity told him too???? But no, you dig her, so what I say is bullshit, right?

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

The bald women is repeating what Mayte told her. Vanity's brother in law claims he has a storage locker filled with e-mails and cards between Vanity and Prince. So we have two people stating this and now photos of Vanity and Prince together years after she left his camp.

No evidence that he was anywhere around Mayte. She had to go and buy a ticket to get into a concert. Would you have to do that if you were still the love of someone's life. Would you be auctioning off stuff and banding his draws around on T.V?

Use your head.

Yeah right. Are really this slow Laura? I'm sorry, but you can't hide it. You simply never got over the fact that Prince and Vanity split years ago and that he found happiness with Mayte until this tragedy happened. You just can't wrap your head around that. And I know this pictures, it's from the 80's Laura.........and if I'm correct, it's from a press conference for Vanity 6's Album. So yeah, you make up shit.

And if her brother in law has this evidence he could show it right? But no, all he does is claiming shit, maybe he repeats what Vanity told him too???? But no, you dig her, so what I say is bullshit, right?

I am not slow at least I know the bald women has a name. Shelby Johnson. There are a few pics of Vanity with Prince that have popped up from 86 and 87. According to her brother in law Vanity and Prince got back together around the Batman era and Vanity wrote about it in her journals.

All of this has been discussed on this board and other places on the net. Vanity's brother in law has been on this forum and he has shared some of the correspondence and discussed it all at lenght.

( Use the search button it is a valuable resource )

I have never said that Prince did not love Mayte I just do not think she was the love of his life per his own actions. Even Mavis Staples said he was really crazy about Carmen. All of this stuff about the love of his life came from Mayte after he died. ( Notice she did not say this crap when he was alive)

If someone is the love of your life you do not burn shit, try to annul the marriage and stop speaking to them. The only dim bulb here is you because the evidence is just not avalible to prove what you are saying.

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See the interview below which was done in 1990. Vanity is discussing a present she made for Prince. Stop embarassing yourself. So much info is out there and you keep spouting nonsense.

Vanity shows off a sculpture she made for Prince..

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See post from Vanity's brother in law about the box.

Reply #63 posted 12/21/17 9:40am

Toban

anangellooksdown said:

purplefam99 said:

This piece of art seems so Prince. Seems like it would fit right in His Purple Rain bedroom. Makes sense why it broke his heart when she decided Not to be apart of something that she obviously helped inspire.

I think other peoples creativity was so important to him at a very deep heart level, because he knew what his meant to him.

There is more involved in this piece than anyone could know.

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A few months back I was trying to tell Debbie about something Denise had written and about a box (for a small coffee table photo book and CD w/ a PDF file of Blame it on Vanity) she had designed, which she had made a few prototypes with gold labels that read "The Black Box."

The story and the box had the same name, but Debbie only heard the name and began telling me a story about neither.

What she said and described could only be a description of Denise making this sculpture... that it is (the first) The Black Box

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The woman and the baby... I won't speculate, as many do seem to appreciate the symbolism in her creative reasoning for each meaningful piece.

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The contract? I'd be guessing. But if he knew... if Regis and Kathy Lee knew... if you know what to look for, there is enough DNA in that sculpture to clone him; if that is The Black Box.

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Nothing too gross... as far as I know.

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"He's obsessed with me but he could never love anyone more than he loves himself."

Circa late 80's.

Evidently their obsession was mutual.

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laurarichardson said:

petalthecat said:

Let's not forget that this burning stuff story isn't fact. Even Mayte doesn't state it as fact in her book, she says she was TOLD that's what happened. Did anyone else get the impression when you read this that it could have been Mani who told her? If so, I wouldn't believe a word she said. The words manipulation,jealousy and one-upmanship spring to mind.

—-I think it was M2 who told her. Who the hell knows way she would listen to anything she had to say much less associate with her.

i will say it looked desperate in someways to invite M2 in to her" reality tv world", who in the heck

would do that????? and he was alive! i mean no way!!! I could totally see them coming together for

a bit after he died, but why in heaven did she invite her into her life like that for a silly show!!! there

is a possiblity she was manipulated into that move by the producers of the show or M2, but that was

a silly move if she agreed to that.