amethyst68 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince loved women, and I'm sure Garcia already knew that before she even met him. I mean, she did stalk him (I mean, she was obsessed with him) after all.

Wrong wife. She never stalked him. Perhaps you should read her book too. I think Prince was far more obsessed with her than she was with him. Ever heard of the “Love Symbol” album.

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What? Everyone knows how Prince and Mayte met in Germany; her parents sent Prince a tape of her dancing, and they met when she was 16. Mayte even said herself that she would marry Prince or some other Mexican singer (his name escapes me).

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http://people.com/music/m...nce-at-16/

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laurarichardson said:

You should ask him but he pretty much spelled it out in 3 Chains O’ Gold.

cloveringold85 said:

Read her book. She wasn’t stalking him. Wrong wife.

amethyst68 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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What? Everyone knows how Prince and Mayte met in Germany; her parents sent Prince a tape of her dancing, and they met when she was 16. Mayte even said herself that she would marry Prince or some other Mexican singer (his name escapes me).

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http://people.com/music/m...nce-at-16/

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Read her book. She wasn’t stalking him. Wrong wife.

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I guess pre-meditation isn't considered stalking. When she was a young girl, she said she would marry Prince. That's a bit odd, in my book and kind of stalk-ish behavior.

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M2 was working for Prince, so I don't see that as stalking. Maybe she had a fascination with him, I guess. What girl wouldn't?

cloveringold85 said:

amethyst68 said:

cloveringold85 said: Read her book. She wasn’t stalking him. Wrong wife.

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I guess pre-meditation isn't considered stalking. When she was a young girl, she said she would marry Prince. That's a bit odd, in my book and kind of stalk-ish behavior.

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M2 was working for Prince, so I don't see that as stalking. Maybe she had a fascination with him, I guess. What girl wouldn't?

hmmmm yes, i think amethyst, is saying that it seems like her parents kinda directed her in his direction, that the parents were perhaps the groupies and leaned a little to hard in his direction.

there was a performance background in the family and she had been on tv, so some guiding of her

potential stardom, more than stalking, it seems. it seems that the other one's behavior was more

methodical, the long con. but both angles worked for a while. he never veered to far from script

so it would have been easy to con him a bit. as someone said on another thread if you were pretty

you were half way there ( i would say over half way, 3/4?)

purplefam99 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I guess pre-meditation isn't considered stalking. When she was a young girl, she said she would marry Prince. That's a bit odd, in my book and kind of stalk-ish behavior.

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M2 was working for Prince, so I don't see that as stalking. Maybe she had a fascination with him, I guess. What girl wouldn't?

hmmmm yes, i think amethyst, is saying that it seems like her parents kinda directed her in his direction, that the parents were perhaps the groupies and leaned a little to hard in his direction.

there was a performance background in the family and she had been on tv, so some guiding of her

potential stardom, more than stalking, it seems. it seems that the other one's behavior was more

methodical, the long con. but both angles worked for a while. he never veered to far from script

so it would have been easy to con him a bit. as someone said on another thread if you were pretty

you were half way there ( i would say over half way, 3/4?)

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If you were pretty...ha-ha! Yes, that always helps!

cloveringold85 said:

Just to correct you regarding the second wife, she is well know to have stalked Prince. Who do you know graduates from college and leaves TORONTO to go to Minneapolis to sell Prince concert memorabilia?

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amethyst68 said:

amethyst68 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I guess pre-meditation isn't considered stalking. When she was a young girl, she said she would marry Prince. That's a bit odd, in my book and kind of stalk-ish behavior.

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M2 was working for Prince, so I don't see that as stalking. Maybe she had a fascination with him, I guess. What girl wouldn't?

Just to correct you regarding the second wife, she is well know to have stalked Prince. Who do you know graduates from college and leaves TORONTO to go to Minneapolis to sell Prince concert memorabilia?

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Yes, I am familar with the M2 story. She was a Prince fanatic and he loved the attention. It's odd circumstances to meet someone under and end up marrying them, but Prince was no ordinary guy.

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince loved women, and I'm sure Garcia already knew that before she even met him. I mean, she did stalk him (I mean, she was obsessed with him) after all.

Awe now Clover....I think it was actually HE who stalked HER.

cloveringold85 said:

amethyst68 said:

cloveringold85 said: Read her book. She wasn’t stalking him. Wrong wife.

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I guess pre-meditation isn't considered stalking. When she was a young girl, she said she would marry Prince. That's a bit odd, in my book and kind of stalk-ish behavior.

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M2 was working for Prince, so I don't see that as stalking. Maybe she had a fascination with him, I guess. What girl wouldn't?

Heck when I was girl I thought I was going to marry Leif Garrett or David Cassidy, then along came Scott Baio, let's not forget John Travolta, during the Saturday Night Fever phase, and Andy Gibb too.

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I guess pre-meditation isn't considered stalking. When she was a young girl, she said she would marry Prince. That's a bit odd, in my book and kind of stalk-ish behavior.

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M2 was working for Prince, so I don't see that as stalking. Maybe she had a fascination with him, I guess. What girl wouldn't?

Heck when I was girl I thought I was going to marry Leif Garrett or David Cassidy, then along came Scott Baio, let's not forget John Travolta, during the Saturday Night Fever phase, and Andy Gibb too.

Shaun Cassidy, David's brother was cute too.

purplefam99 said:

PennyPurple said:

Heck when I was girl I thought I was going to marry Leif Garrett or David Cassidy, then along came Scott Baio, let's not forget John Travolta, during the Saturday Night Fever phase, and Andy Gibb too.

Shaun Cassidy, David's brother was cute too.

Yes, he was.

PennyPurple said:

Oh, my goodness, when I was 15 yrs old, I was convinced I was going to marry Kirk Hammett of Metallica (don't ask, I have no idea...). Then, I happened to meet him when I was 32 and within a second regressed to that 15-year old girl for a moment. The embarrassment...ugh.
Mayte's age when meeting Prince paid a big role as did her parents' somewhat sick desire to live through her and benefit financially.
Manuela on the other hand, was a fully grown adult who concocted a plan and went for it full force from 1997 on. She transformed her looks, ideology, religious beliefs (she didn't have a religious upbringing) and molded herself into what she had studied for years by that point. None of her shtick is authentic except the smug look on her face she never seems to be able to conceal even to this day. Was she an actual stalker...uhmm, that's a push, though.
Let's just say she came up with a plan and was going to execute it no matter what. The timing was in her favor.
Normally, when a couple decides to marry, the idea of starting/not starting a family is being discussed. There's no evidence of Prince having anything genetically wrong with him that resulted in the loss of a child and one early pregnancy with Mayte. So "his defective genes" argument is quite far fetched and sounds more like trolling than anything else.
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amethyst68 said:

—Okay her parents wanted her to meet him not the other way around. He then wrote the story and songs. Mayte is not an Egyptian princess it is a work of fiction. Mayte is one of a dozen women he used as a muse.
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PennyPurple said:

That is hysterical her demented parents introduce her to him and he offers her a job and he is a stalker.

laurarichardson said:

I agree with you Laura that Prince never stalked or, frankly, even pursued Mayte. He didn't have to. She was practically offered to him on a platter and I don't think she was ever "put on a pedestal" over the other ones as she wants the story to go. For whatever reason Prince wanted to hurt Nona and got engaged to Mayte who promptly got pregnant. I think Carmen Electra left because she was done and wanted to move on. I believe that's where Mayte's antipathy towards Carmen stems from.
I'm not saying he didn't love Mayte at some point. I'm sure he did and was looking forward being a dad to their child but it wasn't the love story she wants to portray. It started strangely, it seemed strange and it ended strangely.
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Susu1976 said:

—Co-sign she has made up a senerio in her mind and has sold it to her followers. It is sad and I do feel sorry for her.

Morgaine said:

laurarichardson said:

We are not discussing Prince's death on this thread. We are discussing Mrs. Garcia.

I am stated what I know to be facts many times and I have asked a lot of questions that I do not have the answers to.

You are the one who really does not know what hell you are discussing about 95% of the time.

1) Billy Sparks and a few other associates have said numerous that Prince had hip surgery in fact Billy said it was not replacement but hip surgery.

2)Scotty the engineer said Prince had a lot of pain during the Musicology Tour and

3) Tavis Smiley said he had pain. So What Are You Babbling about. If he had surgery he would of had to have that procedure performed by a doctor. Or do you think he did his own surgery.

What is Dr. S a pet doctor? These are all facts that are known to everyone but you apparently. I have known about his stuff for a year and a half and so have most people on this board. I have never said he did not have pain and certainly did see a doctor.

If you think that he could not have any other aliments that accelerated his pain you are living in La La land. If you think so many coincedental things happen and none of this was preplanned think what you like. The facts are out there.

Now stop derailing this topic.

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Facts are not hearsay - whether it's Billy or Mayte or anyone else speaking. POVs can be important & add to the overall picture but they aren't facts. Mayte does not have s psych degree any more than Billy has a medical degree. It's imperative to be able to see all sides - even those disliked - to see the whole picture. We could say it's very likely Prince had hip surgery because 3 people who knew him stated it. But that's not a fact, it's just plausible & likely. No one has to agree with another's ideas or opinions, but to personally attack because one doesn't agree just serves to muddy process of debate & learning. Intended or not, it generally defects from the subject at hand. Facts are not hearsay, second hand info, someone's POV, etc. Big difference.

Here is more proof about the surgery from the Ebony editor who set up the interview. I guess the editor, the writer, Ebony, Tavis and Billy are all lying about the surgery. Even Morris Day said he had hip replacement surgery and that he spoke to Prince about it. Do you really think all of these people are making this up?

Hip surgery confirmation

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Awe now Clover....I think it was actually HE who stalked HER.

That is hysterical her demented parents introduce her to him and he offers her a job and he is a stalker.

Yah! He basically was calling her every night when she was 15 - 16 yrs old....

Why did you add "15" in there? Did she say 15? Did she say every night? As for stalking, no one has to answer a phone. Thank Jesus that Prince had self restraint because I, for one, would never let my 16 year old daughter spend that much time with a 35 year old rock musician known for sexual lyrics and womainzing ways. Her parents irk the fuck out of me. Prince may have been wrong, but they were worse in my opinion. the reality is that rock stars are constantly approached by young girls. Many of thewse guys do not show restraint. David Bowie and Jimmy Page fucked a 14 year old groupie for God's sake (and they aren't the only ones or the worst of the bunch) . What the hell were her parents thinking (let me guess--possible fame) ? They are lucky their daughter wasn't raped at 16.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said: That is hysterical her demented parents introduce her to him and he offers her a job and he is a stalker.

Yah! He basically was calling her every night when she was 15 - 16 yrs old....

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PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said: That is hysterical her demented parents introduce her to him and he offers her a job and he is a stalker.

Yah! He basically was calling her every night when she was 15 - 16 yrs old....

She was not 15 and she was going to come and work for him when she got out of school. So of course he would have stayed in touch with her. Even Mayte has said their calls were innocent and that he did not lay a hand on her until she was in her 20s.

You are making a rockstar with a gang of girlfriends pressed for Mayte. It is funny because Mavis Staples said he was really crazy about Carmen Electra. Who was more interested in her carreer then being with him so I really think Mayte got him by default. She was his back up chick.

purplerabbithole said:

Why did you add "15" in there? Did she say 15? Did she say every night? As for stalking, no one has to answer a phone. Thank Jesus that Prince had self restraint because I, for one, would never let my 16 year old daughter spend that much time with a 35 year old rock musician known for sexual lyrics and womainzing ways. Her parents irk the fuck out of me. Prince may have been wrong, but they were worse in my opinion. the reality is that rock stars are constantly approached by young girls. Many of thewse guys do not show restraint. David Bowie and Jimmy Page fucked a 14 year old groupie for God's sake (and they aren't the only ones or the worst of the bunch) . What the hell were her parents thinking (let me guess--possible fame) ? They are lucky their daughter wasn't raped at 16.

PennyPurple said:

Yah! He basically was calling her every night when she was 15 - 16 yrs old....

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Co-sign Prince was talking to her on the phone which may not have been ethical but he was dating her since she lived in Germany with her family. Her parents are pathetic and even what she said about her and her sister being molested makes me question how much about that her parents knew about.

Normal parents do not introduced a teen girl to a rock star and certainly do not let her talk to 30 something on phone.

If she just went and worked for Prince on her own when she was 18 then fine but those parents of hers knew exactly what they were doing. Just think there is no reason Mayte could not have just gone to college even if just to study dance. Instead her parents packed her off to work for a rock star.

Yah, I don't understand the parents either. But the parents weren't forcing Prince to call her, etc. P was what 31?

purplerabbithole said:

Why did you add "15" in there? Did she say 15? Did she say every night? As for stalking, no one has to answer a phone. Thank Jesus that Prince had self restraint because I, for one, would never let my 16 year old daughter spend that much time with a 35 year old rock musician known for sexual lyrics and womainzing ways. Her parents irk the fuck out of me. Prince may have been wrong, but they were worse in my opinion. the reality is that rock stars are constantly approached by young girls. Many of thewse guys do not show restraint. David Bowie and Jimmy Page fucked a 14 year old groupie for God's sake (and they aren't the only ones or the worst of the bunch) . What the hell were her parents thinking (let me guess--possible fame) ? They are lucky their daughter wasn't raped at 16.

PennyPurple said:

Yah! He basically was calling her every night when she was 15 - 16 yrs old....

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My memory is seriously lacking here lately. I'll have to get the book out. I thought she had the chance to go to college in Ciaro and passed that chance up to be with Prince.?

laurarichardson said:

purplerabbithole said:

Why did you add "15" in there? Did she say 15? Did she say every night? As for stalking, no one has to answer a phone. Thank Jesus that Prince had self restraint because I, for one, would never let my 16 year old daughter spend that much time with a 35 year old rock musician known for sexual lyrics and womainzing ways. Her parents irk the fuck out of me. Prince may have been wrong, but they were worse in my opinion. the reality is that rock stars are constantly approached by young girls. Many of thewse guys do not show restraint. David Bowie and Jimmy Page fucked a 14 year old groupie for God's sake (and they aren't the only ones or the worst of the bunch) . What the hell were her parents thinking (let me guess--possible fame) ? They are lucky their daughter wasn't raped at 16.

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Co-sign Prince was talking to her on the phone which may not have been ethical but he was dating her since she lived in Germany with her family. Her parents are pathetic and even what she said about her and her sister being molested makes me question how much about that her parents knew about.

Normal parents do not introduced a teen girl to a rock star and certainly do not let her talk to 30 something on phone.

If she just went and worked for Prince on her own when she was 18 then fine but those parents of hers knew exactly what they were doing. Just think there is no reason Mayte could not have just gone to college even if just to study dance. Instead her parents packed her off to work for a rock star.

purplerabbithole said:

Why did you add "15" in there? Did she say 15? Did she say every night? As for stalking, no one has to answer a phone. Thank Jesus that Prince had self restraint because I, for one, would never let my 16 year old daughter spend that much time with a 35 year old rock musician known for sexual lyrics and womainzing ways. Her parents irk the fuck out of me. Prince may have been wrong, but they were worse in my opinion. the reality is that rock stars are constantly approached by young girls. Many of thewse guys do not show restraint. David Bowie and Jimmy Page fucked a 14 year old groupie for God's sake (and they aren't the only ones or the worst of the bunch) . What the hell were her parents thinking (let me guess--possible fame) ? They are lucky their daughter wasn't raped at 16.

PennyPurple said:

Yah! He basically was calling her every night when she was 15 - 16 yrs old....

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i can't even believe it either. in his hotel that night too, that she describes, that late at night having

tea, still not OK. Some people say bravo to their kids when they display maturity beyond their years.

i don't think that is praise that is always should be pushed further, you are in essence hurrying them

on out of childhood from which we can never return. so great she displayed maturity and competence

but that doesn't mean your reward that with adult activity. If we are all allowed to be kids as long

as possible we would have much more secure adults. but we want them to walk early and read by 3

because why???? they should be playing in the dirt for as long as possible because once you engage

and ripen maturity there is no turning back to the imagination and creativity that comes from

the flow of simple play. Society robs kids of childhood it should be held a crime.

PennyPurple said:

My memory is seriously lacking here lately. I'll have to get the book out. I thought she had the chance to go to college in Ciaro and passed that chance up to be with Prince.?

laurarichardson said:

Co-sign Prince was talking to her on the phone which may not have been ethical but he was dating her since she lived in Germany with her family. Her parents are pathetic and even what she said about her and her sister being molested makes me question how much about that her parents knew about.

Normal parents do not introduced a teen girl to a rock star and certainly do not let her talk to 30 something on phone.

If she just went and worked for Prince on her own when she was 18 then fine but those parents of hers knew exactly what they were doing. Just think there is no reason Mayte could not have just gone to college even if just to study dance. Instead her parents packed her off to work for a rock star.

hmmm not college in Ciaro, but dancing in ciaro. Going to Ciaro for bellydancing is like going

to New York for Ballet/modern dance it is the epicenter, best classes, teachers etc. i don't

recall it being for college.

PennyPurple said:

Yah, I don't understand the parents either. But the parents weren't forcing Prince to call her, etc. P was what 31?

purplerabbithole said:

Why did you add "15" in there? Did she say 15? Did she say every night? As for stalking, no one has to answer a phone. Thank Jesus that Prince had self restraint because I, for one, would never let my 16 year old daughter spend that much time with a 35 year old rock musician known for sexual lyrics and womainzing ways. Her parents irk the fuck out of me. Prince may have been wrong, but they were worse in my opinion. the reality is that rock stars are constantly approached by young girls. Many of thewse guys do not show restraint. David Bowie and Jimmy Page fucked a 14 year old groupie for God's sake (and they aren't the only ones or the worst of the bunch) . What the hell were her parents thinking (let me guess--possible fame) ? They are lucky their daughter wasn't raped at 16.

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they served her up but yes to the bolded. they were both wrong. Poor Mayte. childhood stolen.

What was Prince's motive? Love? artistic inspiration? Sex (he waited an awful long time for that one.)?? mid-life crisis? Really, how does Mayte's belly dancing contribute at all to Prince's career or music? What was their motivation?--possible fame for daughter extending to themselves, living vicariously through her, success for her..etc?

I don't think she sees her time with him as being pawned off.. She says she would still be with him if it weren't for the baby dying. If she is to be believed, his dumping her and cheating on her were bigger issues than his calling her at 16. It depends a little on what they talked about. If it was as innocent as she claimed and then her parents stepped in and said, "hey, this might be innocent, but I think you are too young to engage in working for him right now. Wait until after you go to college"... and he still pursued her afterward, I would think that might have let to a more successful relationship (or no relationship at all but either way healthier.) To be honest, her childhood seemed stolen with or without Prince. Bellydancing professionally in Cairo at her age driven by a stage-mom (who had once been a belly dancer), molestation, warring parents. ,...her childhood was doomed. Who knows..maybe Prince was more fun (for at least a little while) than her mom so it didn't bother her too much to go off with his entourage and work at what she loved. It wasn't all bad presumably.

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