Now Stevie Nicks is speaking out and is an expert. Wonder how many years it was since she seen or spoke to Prince? 20?

The Fleetwood Mac singer believes her friend Prince was devastated by his prescription drug addiction after making it his life's work to "preach about the downfall of people that do drugs"

Stevie Nicks fears that close pal Prince may have wanted to end his own life.

The legendary hitmaker died aged 57 in April last year after taking an accidental overdose of prescription drug fentanyl.

He had been battling chronic hip pain and Fleetwood Mac singer Stevie, who got close to Prince in the 1980s, says he was isolated.

She explains: “I don’t know in my heart of hearts whether he just took too much.

"Or did he purposefully take too much? Did he accidentally take too much?”

“When you get to be our age – and he was younger than me – and you’re like, ‘I’m not making hit records any more… I’m not able to really tour any more because of my health…’

“You’re not married, you don’t have children… you don’t hang out with a bunch of people because you’re really an isolationist.”

Stevie, 69, who takes to the stage at Hyde Park’s British Summer Time concert alongside her life-long pal Tom Petty tomorrow night, reckons Prince was devastated by his prescription drug addiction.

She adds: “Fentanyl is the worst of the worst of the worst; way stronger than heroin, morphine, anything – and he was having to take it because I think he was probably fractured from his neck down to his feet.

“I think when you’re in that much pain, and you’re somebody who has made it your life’s work to preach about the downfall of people that do drugs, that had to be [a burden]. I think that broke his heart.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3...lick_Other

PennyPurple said:

precioux said:

I do think people are oversimplifying Prince's later years a bit. But I do think there was an isolationist side to him that never went away and that he returned to (during the last 3 months or so of his life).. Compartmentalized is the word I keep returning to. It seems (at times) like he was hidden in plain sight.

I don't think her speculation is without merit, even if it is based more on his earlier and last days. Memory works like that though. Our brains are actually programmed that way. We remember the beginning and ending of an event or life more than the middle.

rogifan said:

precioux said:

Thanks for having the guts to post this Penny! I watched this last night and am glad some are starting to speak up. Stevie has been through a lot herself and can vouch from her own struggles-this may be why she has this hunch. I'm still on the fence as to my own belief of what transpired, but glad to see someone speaking out. And I love that she dedicates "Moonlight vampire" to him at her shows...love Stevie

What is she speaking up for or speaking out on? She makes Prince sound like an absolutely miserable human being the last years of his life. And none of it seems like it’s coming from actual knowledge of what was going on in his life.

purplerabbithole said:

valid point. But his last tour was one during which he mostly sat down at a piano. I am glad he did that tour but I can't help but think that part of the reason he chose that format is that he was indeed becoming a bit of an 'invalid" for a lack of a better word. There was still some spunk left in him and the talent was still there (in some ways, his singing voice and keyboardist skills were never better) but physically he was more and more limited. Stevie might have been sort of indicating that Prince knew that his problem was going to get worse and that he wasn't going to be able to keep his addiction a secret for much longer. Suicide crossed my mind as well and partly because of the intimacy/aloneness of his last tour, it felt like a bit of resignation.

As for Prince becoming more social and yet more isolated--I do think his public persona in some ways was better. He was mentoring and having casual friendships with women rather than loving and leaving them. But his relationships were with young people who came to with a fresh slate. Its like Prince resigned himself to being a favorite uncle.

rogifan said:

purplerabbithole said:

I do think people are oversimplifying Prince's later years a bit. But I do think there was an isolationist side to him that never went away and that he returned to (during the last 3 months or so of his life).. Compartmentalized is the word I keep returning to. It seems (at times) like he was hidden in plain sight.

I don't think her speculation is without merit, even if it is based more on his earlier and last days. Memory works like that though. Our brains are actually programmed that way. We remember the beginning and ending of an event or life more than the middle.

The story below from one of Prince’s personal assistants (who worked for him until Oct 2015) basically says he was rarely alone at PP. http://minnesota.cbslocal...assistant/ And her comment about Prince not being able to tour...um he was doing live shows right up until he died. He wasn’t an invalid locked up in a room at Paisley Park. He was working, touring, throwing Paisley Park After Dark concerts, giving interviews, etc.

I love Stevie, but she shouldn't have said some of this, because I highly doubt she knows anymore than the rest of us.

No matter what she says, I don't believe Prince knew he was taking fentanyl. Again, as it has been proven that those pills he had was not from a legit source. He thought he was taking the real stuff, not something that had been cut with the fentanyl.

I also don't believe he committed suicide.

Prince was touring, although he wasn't jumping around and doing splits and the like. He was also still writing songs.

I don't know why she spoke out like she did, again I ask, when was the last time she had anything to do with P?

Now P may have had a pain pill problem, but I don't think he had a fentanyl problem.

LOL - I would like to think Stevie knows better than this, if she doesn't, then she truly never knew Prince. Of course there is the possibility she could have been surrounded by a giant plume of cocaine when she came up with this.

purplerabbithole said:

She adds: “Fentanyl is the worst of the worst of the worst; way stronger than heroin, morphine, anything – and he was having to take it because I think he was probably fractured from his neck down to his feet.

Didn't the tests he had done while he was still alive, rule out Fentanyl? So I think she is full of shit.

There are quite a few people who hadn't really spoken to Prince in years who made speculations about his life's end. And she she admitted that she wasn't sure.

A lot could have happened in Prince's mind in five days of stress and withdrawal following an event that the media reported (incorrectly at the time but still eventually they probably would have found out that it wasn't the flu and he might have feared the results).

There was a lot of fentanyl in his system. The reports did not indicate that the pills were just completely composed of fentanyl. It sounds like the pills were cocktails. So, he would have to swallow quite a few of them to produce that much in his system. He had 67 mcg of fentanyl in his system. If 3 was enough to kill him(and presumably he would have died long before that amount could have accumulated in his body) , how much did he inject in one setting? I refuse to think that someone poisoned him intentionally (why would Kurt leave a paper trail [with prescriptions in his name] if he was knowingly also supplying illegal [highly dangerous] drugs intended to kill him). So, either Prince packed away a handfill of pills labeled hydrocodone out of desperation or he did so on purpose knowing that their contents were risky..

PennyPurple said:

I love Stevie, but she shouldn't have said some of this, because I highly doubt she knows anymore than the rest of us.

No matter what she says, I don't believe Prince knew he was taking fentanyl. Again, as it has been proven that those pills he had was not from a legit source. He thought he was taking the real stuff, not something that had been cut with the fentanyl.

I also don't believe he committed suicide.

Prince was touring, although he wasn't jumping around and doing splits and the like. He was also still writing songs.

I don't know why she spoke out like she did, again I ask, when was the last time she had anything to do with P?

Now P may have had a pain pill problem, but I don't think he had a fentanyl problem.

Wasn't there debate about whether or not they ruled out fentanyl, about what kind of test he took (urine? blood?), and if narcon affected the results?

PennyPurple said:

She adds: “Fentanyl is the worst of the worst of the worst; way stronger than heroin, morphine, anything – and he was having to take it because I think he was probably fractured from his neck down to his feet.

Didn't the tests he had done while he was still alive, rule out Fentanyl? So I think she is full of shit.

The Mirror is just as bad as the National Enquirer. Boolshyte fake news

luv4u said:

purplerabbithole said:

There are quite a few people who hadn't really spoken to Prince in years who made speculations about his life's end. And she she admitted that she wasn't sure.

A lot could have happened in Prince's mind in five days of stress and withdrawal following an event that the media reported (incorrectly at the time but still eventually they probably would have found out that it wasn't the flu and he might have feared the results).

There was a lot of fentanyl in his system. The reports did not indicate that the pills were just completely composed of fentanyl. It sounds like the pills were cocktails. So, he would have to swallow quite a few of them to produce that much in his system. He had 67 mcg of fentanyl in his system. If 3 was enough to kill him(and presumably he would have died long before that amount could have accumulated in his body) , how much did he inject in one setting? I refuse to think that someone poisoned him intentionally (why would Kurt leave a paper trail [with prescriptions in his name] if he was knowingly also supplying illegal [highly dangerous] drugs intended to kill him). So, either Prince packed away a handfill of pills labeled hydrocodone out of desperation or he did so on purpose knowing that their contents were risky..

Again it leads back to the illegal drugs/street drugs. You never know what they are cut with. In the same batch you can get pills with no fentanyl while others have some, while others in the same batch have a lot. He actually could have swallowed only 1 of these pills with that much fentanyl in it. I don't believe he was using fentanyl, and I don't believe that he knew it was in those pills.

luv4u said:

The Mirror is just as bad as the National Enquirer. Boolshyte fake news

It might be a bullshit gossip site, but it was still Stevie who gave the interview.......correct?

1 pill with 67 mcg's of fentanyl? That seems unlikely. If 3 mcg's are enough to kill, I don't think even the most careless drug manufacturer would put that much in one pill. I was just reading a VIce article on this epidemic and people have taken those fentanyl laced pills and still survived. And the reports about the bad pills at PP indicate that they were cocktails of fentanyl and other ingredients like lidocaine and other drugs.

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

There are quite a few people who hadn't really spoken to Prince in years who made speculations about his life's end. And she she admitted that she wasn't sure.

A lot could have happened in Prince's mind in five days of stress and withdrawal following an event that the media reported (incorrectly at the time but still eventually they probably would have found out that it wasn't the flu and he might have feared the results).

There was a lot of fentanyl in his system. The reports did not indicate that the pills were just completely composed of fentanyl. It sounds like the pills were cocktails. So, he would have to swallow quite a few of them to produce that much in his system. He had 67 mcg of fentanyl in his system. If 3 was enough to kill him(and presumably he would have died long before that amount could have accumulated in his body) , how much did he inject in one setting? I refuse to think that someone poisoned him intentionally (why would Kurt leave a paper trail [with prescriptions in his name] if he was knowingly also supplying illegal [highly dangerous] drugs intended to kill him). So, either Prince packed away a handfill of pills labeled hydrocodone out of desperation or he did so on purpose knowing that their contents were risky..

Again it leads back to the illegal drugs/street drugs. You never know what they are cut with. In the same batch you can get pills with no fentanyl while others have some, while others in the same batch have a lot. He actually could have swallowed only 1 of these pills with that much fentanyl in it. I don't believe he was using fentanyl, and I don't believe that he knew it was in those pills.

hole said:

Precioux, I'm confused. Was the lidocaine found in pills at PP or in his system upon autopsy? If it's the former, it is mysterious. If it's the latter either it was used topically in a cream or gel to ease joint pain or it was part of an IV cocktail. Am I close?

purplerabbithole said:

1 pill with 67 mcg's of fentanyl? That seems unlikely. If 3 mcg's are enough to kill, I don't think even the most careless drug manufacturer would put that much in one pill. I was just reading a VIce article on this epidemic and people have taken those fentanyl laced pills and still survived. And the reports about the bad pills at PP indicate that they were cocktails of fentanyl and other ingredients like lidocaine and other drugs.

PennyPurple said:

Again it leads back to the illegal drugs/street drugs. You never know what they are cut with. In the same batch you can get pills with no fentanyl while others have some, while others in the same batch have a lot. He actually could have swallowed only 1 of these pills with that much fentanyl in it. I don't believe he was using fentanyl, and I don't believe that he knew it was in those pills.

That wasn't no drug manufacturer. That was a person making illegal drugs.

rogifan said:

precioux said:

Thanks for having the guts to post this Penny! I watched this last night and am glad some are starting to speak up. Stevie has been through a lot herself and can vouch from her own struggles-this may be why she has this hunch. I'm still on the fence as to my own belief of what transpired, but glad to see someone speaking out. And I love that she dedicates "Moonlight vampire" to him at her shows...love Stevie

What is she speaking up for or speaking out on? She makes Prince sound like an absolutely miserable human being the last years of his life. And none of it seems like it’s coming from actual knowledge of what was going on in his life.

I do not think she makes him sound miserable ; I think she makes him sound like a man who spent his whole life touring and whose body was 57 years old. Prince was pushing 60. He was no longer that 20/30/ or 40 something. Whenever you people who actually tour talk on it they agree it takes a toll on the body and is an endeavour to take on and Prince did it for decades.

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Stevie has a frame of reference that most do not; I respect what she has said. I cannot dismiss it.

It upsets me to hear Stevie speaking this way about Prince! To say that he was probably "fractured from the neck down?" WTF??

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She was not close to Prince and is not qualfied to speak about his alleged drug use.

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She was not talking that way in September, 2016:

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http://theinfluence.org/w...out-drugs/

PennyPurple said:

Now Stevie Nicks is speaking out and is an expert. Wonder how many years it was since she seen or spoke to Prince? 20?

The Fleetwood Mac singer believes her friend Prince was devastated by his prescription drug addiction after making it his life's work to "preach about the downfall of people that do drugs"

Stevie Nicks fears that close pal Prince may have wanted to end his own life.

The legendary hitmaker died aged 57 in April last year after taking an accidental overdose of prescription drug fentanyl.

He had been battling chronic hip pain and Fleetwood Mac singer Stevie, who got close to Prince in the 1980s, says he was isolated.

She explains: “I don’t know in my heart of hearts whether he just took too much.

"Or did he purposefully take too much? Did he accidentally take too much?”

“When you get to be our age – and he was younger than me – and you’re like, ‘I’m not making hit records any more… I’m not able to really tour any more because of my health…’

“You’re not married, you don’t have children… you don’t hang out with a bunch of people because you’re really an isolationist.”

Stevie, 69, who takes to the stage at Hyde Park’s British Summer Time concert alongside her life-long pal Tom Petty tomorrow night, reckons Prince was devastated by his prescription drug addiction.

She adds: “Fentanyl is the worst of the worst of the worst; way stronger than heroin, morphine, anything – and he was having to take it because I think he was probably fractured from his neck down to his feet.

“I think when you’re in that much pain, and you’re somebody who has made it your life’s work to preach about the downfall of people that do drugs, that had to be [a burden]. I think that broke his heart.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3...lick_Other

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She is talking stupid!

cloveringold85 said:

It upsets me to hear Stevie speaking this way about Prince! To say that he was probably "fractured from the neck down?" WTF??

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She was not close to Prince and is not qualfied to speak about his alleged drug use.

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She was not talking that way in September, 2016:

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http://theinfluence.org/w...out-drugs/

AS time goes on I think different perspectives and realities are setting in; Prince was in pain. He toured for decades.

It hurts to imagine him in pain but clearly he was; he had a hip replacement we now believe . He was 57. It hurts to imagine but I get it . I understand where she is coming from.

rogifan said:

PennyPurple said:

Now Stevie Nicks is speaking out and is an expert. Wonder how many years it was since she seen or spoke to Prince? 20?

The Fleetwood Mac singer believes her friend Prince was devastated by his prescription drug addiction after making it his life's work to "preach about the downfall of people that do drugs"

Stevie Nicks fears that close pal Prince may have wanted to end his own life.

The legendary hitmaker died aged 57 in April last year after taking an accidental overdose of prescription drug fentanyl.

He had been battling chronic hip pain and Fleetwood Mac singer Stevie, who got close to Prince in the 1980s, says he was isolated.

She explains: “I don’t know in my heart of hearts whether he just took too much.

"Or did he purposefully take too much? Did he accidentally take too much?”

“When you get to be our age – and he was younger than me – and you’re like, ‘I’m not making hit records any more… I’m not able to really tour any more because of my health…’

“You’re not married, you don’t have children… you don’t hang out with a bunch of people because you’re really an isolationist.”

Stevie, 69, who takes to the stage at Hyde Park’s British Summer Time concert alongside her life-long pal Tom Petty tomorrow night, reckons Prince was devastated by his prescription drug addiction.

She adds: “Fentanyl is the worst of the worst of the worst; way stronger than heroin, morphine, anything – and he was having to take it because I think he was probably fractured from his neck down to his feet.

“I think when you’re in that much pain, and you’re somebody who has made it your life’s work to preach about the downfall of people that do drugs, that had to be [a burden]. I think that broke his heart.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3...lick_Other

WTF is she going on about? Not able to tour because of his health? An isolationist? Honestly in the last couple years of Prince’s life he was probably more accessible than ever. Heck there was a story in the Star Tribune in October 2015 with the headline The fresh Prince: What's influenced his shift to a more engaging public persona? It was all about the young people he was working with and the parties and people he was hosting at Paisley Park.

He hosted a dance for the National Association of Black Journalists at Paisley Park, staged a three-day bash there to celebrate the release of his new album and last week played a three-hour show at the suburban complex for the Minnesota Lynx hours after they won the WNBA championship. He walks through fans at Paisley without a bodyguard. He invites journalists to talk and listen to his new music and solicits their opinions. He even lets fans tour his private workplace. Meet the re-freshed Prince of Chanhassen. Gone is the intensely aloof, mysterious and don't-come-near-me rock star of old. He's the mature Prince. He acts his age, like the 57-year-old adult he is, not like a petulant, privacy-craving celeb. He champions the works of collaborators, treating them like equals, not puppets or playthings. If you encounter him on or off stage at Paisley these days, Prince seems happier and friendlier. There's less attitude and swagger. The sunglasses have become less commonplace.

Why are so many intent on making him out to be this miserable isolated human being with no friends who was basically an invalid? I’m sorry but that doesn’t match reality IMO.

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She said a lot of stupid things!! WTF is wrong with her!!??

leadline said:

LOL - I would like to think Stevie knows better than this, if she doesn't, then she truly never knew Prince. Of course there is the possibility she could have been surrounded by a giant plume of cocaine when she came up with this.

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With all due respect, love you, Rick!!

luv4u said:

The Mirror is just as bad as the National Enquirer. Boolshyte fake news

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Agreed. But of ALL people in the show biz, you would think that Stevie would know better than to talk to some british tabloid!!

Do people think Prince was not in pain?

purplerabbithole said:

1 pill with 67 mcg's of fentanyl? That seems unlikely. If 3 mcg's are enough to kill, I don't think even the most careless drug manufacturer would put that much in one pill. I was just reading a VIce article on this epidemic and people have taken those fentanyl laced pills and still survived. And the reports about the bad pills at PP indicate that they were cocktails of fentanyl and other ingredients like lidocaine and other drugs.

PennyPurple said:

Again it leads back to the illegal drugs/street drugs. You never know what they are cut with. In the same batch you can get pills with no fentanyl while others have some, while others in the same batch have a lot. He actually could have swallowed only 1 of these pills with that much fentanyl in it. I don't believe he was using fentanyl, and I don't believe that he knew it was in those pills.

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I read an article about these labs where Fentanyl is made; nothing is measured or anything, so you don't know what you are getting. This is not pharmaceutical company here; this is factories in dark alleyways somewhere in China who is making this poison!