purplerabbithole said:

She didn't assume anything. She questioned. She literally stated that she wasn't sure but she was starting to think that due to the strength of the drug he was on, the shame he might have felt and the physical pain, that maybe suicide was the cause of his death. How is this worse than his fans (or some semi-insiders) on this site implying that he was perhaps murdered or that he needed help and people who knew him just simply didn't give two shits about his wellbeing at all or in any way. There are parents who watch their kids die from drug addiction and are helpless to stop it. I would hope that they aren't accused of being indifferent (unless those parents were buying the drugs themselves, I don't think that would be a fair assumption at all). Or let's reverse that and think of Prince as a patriach. If your father drank himself to death and you were powerless to stop it, could you be accused of just using your dad for the roof over your head and food in your belly. None of know what happened or all the complexities of the people involved. Stevie didn't claim to either. Her questions about Prince sound compassionate. Suicide and isolationist withdrawal are not the worse things assumed about Prince. His being so unbearable to be around that people would just let him die with no concern whatsoever is a much much worse assumption.

PennyPurple said:

She shouldn't have assumed anything about Prince it was soooo wrong of her.

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Very good points. I have come to my own conculsion that he either committed sucide by letting the chips fall ( like if I die I just die so be it) or someone slipped him this stuff ( may not be intentional could have been a accident) She is not saying she knows anything she is giving her opinion. Prince also reached out to a lot of people in the last years of his life so we have no idea he may have spoken to her and I believe that there are people who knew him that know more than what they are saying.

Misty48 said:

Purplegirl 100...

Ya, I know it's coming. I don't care. It's my opinion and I own it. As soon as someone mentions the "S" word, all hell breaks loose. It's truly an elephant in the room. Again, I'm not expert on anything nor do I have any proof of anything. I'm just going by observation, but it should be considered along with all the other many theories as a serious one. As it's been pointed out in the other theories, Prince was obviously dealing with something physical and was looking like he aged 30+ years from January to April. He was not well. My heart breaks to think of whatever he was dealing with and would NOT judge him, if he did want out to get relief of his suffering. [/quote]

I agree with Purplegirl - Prince aged so much in a very short period of time! Looking back at the "SNL 40th Anniversary After Party" - look how good Prince still looked. The date of that was 02/16/2015. If one has followed Prince for years, it is difficult for me to believe or comprehend, that they could not see the "Very Obvious" change for the worse in the appearance of Prince! Everyone in "Prince.org" will have to admit that Prince knew he was a "Sexy, Pretty Boy" from the word go. He walked the walk ~ He talked the talk. He had a zillion pictures made for all of his friends to gaze upon and enjoy for years to come. (This "Org" has devoted how many boards to just posting those "Sexy ~ Handsome ~ Pretty Pictures"????) He said he did not celebrate birthdays, did not count time and for this, he could still look young. (And to himself ~ and to everyone else, "Beautiful"). That was also something he was proud of. He obviously lost that look. I believe he did not wish to continue on with seeing the fast past of how his appearance was deteriorating. Reading what his people, that were close to him, revealed about him SENDING EVERYONE AWAY ~ He demanded his PRIVACY and wanted to BE ALONE. Prince owned his choices. That is all I am going to say about that. We will all still be missing Prince for a long time to come!! No one knows the answers and sorry to report ~ Prince took that mystery with him also!! Prince ALWAYS RULED!! He won again!!

Right. This is why I do not understand how people have removed all responsibility from Prince. He was not superhuman and could've made his own choices. While he was wonderful in so many ways, he was still a human being with flaws, shortcomings, and struggles. Because he was so private, we do not know what those were, but we do know he was suffering greatly in the last 3 months of his life. It was evident in his display of emotions, vulnerability, and his physical appearance. I am one who believes he was really just looking for relief and lost his way. He was not about pity and didn't want those around him to be concerned- hence the party he threw at PP the day after the plane incident. He gave reassurances, telling people not to "waste their prayers" that he was fine and sent everyone home. However, that's what people do when they are struggling and do not want everyone up in their business. Again, I don't know what happened, but I'm looking at Prince's humanity and not discounting that he may have chose the fate he had just to escape.

If that makes me insulting, so be it.

purplegirl00 said:

Misty48 said:

Purplegirl 100...

Ya, I know it's coming. I don't care. It's my opinion and I own it. As soon as someone mentions the "S" word, all hell breaks loose. It's truly an elephant in the room. Again, I'm not expert on anything nor do I have any proof of anything. I'm just going by observation, but it should be considered along with all the other many theories as a serious one. As it's been pointed out in the other theories, Prince was obviously dealing with something physical and was looking like he aged 30+ years from January to April. He was not well. My heart breaks to think of whatever he was dealing with and would NOT judge him, if he did want out to get relief of his suffering.

I agree with Purplegirl - Prince aged so much in a very short period of time! Looking back at the "SNL 40th Anniversary After Party" - look how good Prince still looked. The date of that was 02/16/2015. If one has followed Prince for years, it is difficult for me to believe or comprehend, that they could not see the "Very Obvious" change for the worse in the appearance of Prince! Everyone in "Prince.org" will have to admit that Prince knew he was a "Sexy, Pretty Boy" from the word go. He walked the walk ~ He talked the talk. He had a zillion pictures made for all of his friends to gaze upon and enjoy for years to come. (This "Org" has devoted how many boards to just posting those "Sexy ~ Handsome ~ Pretty Pictures"????) He said he did not celebrate birthdays, did not count time and for this, he could still look young. (And to himself ~ and to everyone else, "Beautiful"). That was also something he was proud of. He obviously lost that look. I believe he did not wish to continue on with seeing the fast past of how his appearance was deteriorating. Reading what his people, that were close to him, revealed about him SENDING EVERYONE AWAY ~ He demanded his PRIVACY and wanted to BE ALONE. Prince owned his choices. That is all I am going to say about that. We will all still be missing Prince for a long time to come!! No one knows the answers and sorry to report ~ Prince took that mystery with him also!! Prince ALWAYS RULED!! He won again!!

Right. This is why I do not understand how people have removed all responsibility from Prince. He was not superhuman and could've made his own choices. While he was wonderful in so many ways, he was still a human being with flaws, shortcomings, and struggles. Because he was so private, we do not know what those were, but we do know he was suffering greatly in the last 3 months of his life. It was evident in his display of emotions, vulnerability, and his physical appearance. I am one who believes he was really just looking for relief and lost his way. He was not about pity and didn't want those around him to be concerned- hence the party he threw at PP the day after the plane incident. He gave reassurances, telling people not to "waste their prayers" that he was fine and sent everyone home. However, that's what people do when they are struggling and do not want everyone up in their business. Again, I don't know what happened, but I'm looking at Prince's humanity and not discounting that he may have chose the fate he had just to escape.

If that makes me insulting, so be it.

-- Good points. It could really be a stituation were he felt bad and did not want pity. If he had joint pain that was becoming debilitating and even if he stopped using pain pills there is no cure for severe joint pain he was going to have problems for the rest of his days.

We have comments from people who worked for him who are saying that he had problems going back to the late eighties so he could have just been fed up with it. In addition, pain can make you go insane and just make you not think in a rational manner. I think a lot of people discount pain and what it can do to even a strong man like Prince. He was still a human and maybe he just could not take it anymore.

BillieBalloon said:

Stevie is catching hell on the internet for her statements.

purplegirl00 said:

purplerabbithole said:

She didn't assume anything. She questioned. She literally stated that she wasn't sure but she was starting to think that due to the strength of the drug he was on, the shame he might have felt and the physical pain, that maybe suicide was the cause of his death. How is this worse than his fans (or some semi-insiders) on this site implying that he was perhaps murdered or that he needed help and people who knew him just simply didn't give two shits about his wellbeing at all or any way. There are parents who watch their kids die from drug addiction and are helpless to stop it. I would hope that they aren't accused of being indifferent.

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The bold really speaks to my thoughts.

I don't understand the outrage about her speculating/ questioning. Isn't that what many have done on this board for over a year now? How many death investigation threads did we have here and how many theories have been thrown around- AIDS, cancer, murder, and suicide? One is not better than other, is it? They are all pretty miserable ways to die, no? Her wondering if it was an intentional overdose vs. accidental is not really that far out there due to the sheer amount of medication found in his system. That is what she said. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert because I am not. I won't even say that I know what was in those search warrants because I don't, but I do not think it is outrageous or out of the realm of possibilities to think that Prince did in fact know what he was taking and did it with purpose. He was not and ignorant man and I don't believe he would've taken something without knowing what it was, especially considering it didn't come from a typical pharmacy. I know, it's uncomfortable to think that and even I would rather not, but it's there.

Maybe Prince was in desperate need of relief for physical pain and possibly emotional as well. I listened to the PP Gala concerts a while back and he was clearly emotional and started being candid. For him to overdose twice in a 7 day period is really disturbing. Equally so is the fact that he was alone for the second time. I don't think it's fair to blame this person or that person. We don't know what really went down. It is possible this is how Prince wanted things to be.

Anyway, I believe Stevie was trying to make sense of what happened to Prince using her experiences in the business and the toll it takes on the mind and body. I don't think she's said anything worse than anyone else has at this point. She may not have been close friend to Prince in years, but how many of us here were?

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Sure we are all speculating here, but we're not going to a british tabloid and saying it. Big difference between talking on a forum versus talking to the press.

sonshine said:

rogifan said:

She said a lot more than just about him being in physical pain. Especially speculating that he committed suicide.

That's the thing. She's really reaching and crossed the line imo. What a stupid thing to suggest publicly. Especially when it's clearly just her rambling on with nothing to back it up. She's not all there anymore after her battle with benzo's. Her comments were Irresponsible and disrespectful and gives the crazies more fuel. He did not do this on purpose. He did not take his life. To suggest otherwise is an insult. P would not do such a thing. Anyone who believes that does not get him at all.

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Well-said.

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Again, she was only speculating; however, someone of her stature in show business should not go to a british tabloid with stories like this that will only fuel more controversy. Do Prince fans really need that right now? Yeah, we're on a message board talking about Prince, but we're not giving stories to the press or tabloids. Big difference. People talk all day long on the internet.....but, when someone opens up a newpaper and see's that garbage printed about Prince, more than likely, they will believe it and assume things that are not the truth!!

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And, if Prince wanted to committ suicide, he didn't have to buy street drugs to do it! He had overdosed on Percocet a week prior........so, no need for illegal Fentanyl. That's how I look at it anyways.

BillieBalloon said:

Misty48 said:

Stevie did nothing wrong, in my opinion. She was just voicing her opinion like so many people have voiced their opinion here! She has had interactions with Prince during his lifetime. That definately makes her knowing Prince better than I. Prince and I never even had the pleasure of meeting one another while he was still on this earth! It is being selfish to condemn Stevie for having an opinion!

The difference between Stevie and the fans here is that anything she says will be reported worldwide etc. Due to this she has a greater responsibility than us when speculating. She should know suicude was ruled out and that he was not a user of Fentanyl, that his pills were laced with it. Shes mouthing off about her friend and shown zero sensitivity when doing so. Making him out to he some washed up recluse is wrong! Prince was in the middle if a tour and making music. Just wrong on many levels.

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Thank you for saying that!

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I'm tempted to contact Stevie and tell her she owes Prince's fans a "sincere" apology! But, I know she would not respond to my requests!

PennyPurple said:

Stevie is catching hell on the internet for her statements.

Let's hope she isn't a regular reader of lipstick alley

purplegirl00 said:

Misty48 said:

Purplegirl 100...

Ya, I know it's coming. I don't care. It's my opinion and I own it. As soon as someone mentions the "S" word, all hell breaks loose. It's truly an elephant in the room. Again, I'm not expert on anything nor do I have any proof of anything. I'm just going by observation, but it should be considered along with all the other many theories as a serious one. As it's been pointed out in the other theories, Prince was obviously dealing with something physical and was looking like he aged 30+ years from January to April. He was not well. My heart breaks to think of whatever he was dealing with and would NOT judge him, if he did want out to get relief of his suffering.

I agree with Purplegirl - Prince aged so much in a very short period of time! Looking back at the "SNL 40th Anniversary After Party" - look how good Prince still looked. The date of that was 02/16/2015. If one has followed Prince for years, it is difficult for me to believe or comprehend, that they could not see the "Very Obvious" change for the worse in the appearance of Prince! Everyone in "Prince.org" will have to admit that Prince knew he was a "Sexy, Pretty Boy" from the word go. He walked the walk ~ He talked the talk. He had a zillion pictures made for all of his friends to gaze upon and enjoy for years to come. (This "Org" has devoted how many boards to just posting those "Sexy ~ Handsome ~ Pretty Pictures"????) He said he did not celebrate birthdays, did not count time and for this, he could still look young. (And to himself ~ and to everyone else, "Beautiful"). That was also something he was proud of. He obviously lost that look. I believe he did not wish to continue on with seeing the fast past of how his appearance was deteriorating. Reading what his people, that were close to him, revealed about him SENDING EVERYONE AWAY ~ He demanded his PRIVACY and wanted to BE ALONE. Prince owned his choices. That is all I am going to say about that. We will all still be missing Prince for a long time to come!! No one knows the answers and sorry to report ~ Prince took that mystery with him also!! Prince ALWAYS RULED!! He won again!!

Right. This is why I do not understand how people have removed all responsibility from Prince. He was not superhuman and could've made his own choices. While he was wonderful in so many ways, he was still a human being with flaws, shortcomings, and struggles. Because he was so private, we do not know what those were, but we do know he was suffering greatly in the last 3 months of his life. It was evident in his display of emotions, vulnerability, and his physical appearance. I am one who believes he was really just looking for relief and lost his way. He was not about pity and didn't want those around him to be concerned- hence the party he threw at PP the day after the plane incident. He gave reassurances, telling people not to "waste their prayers" that he was fine and sent everyone home. However, that's what people do when they are struggling and do not want everyone up in their business. Again, I don't know what happened, but I'm looking at Prince's humanity and not discounting that he may have chose the fate he had just to escape.

If that makes me insulting, so be it.

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Purplegirl: I don't think anyone here believes that Prince was superhuman.

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I also do not believe that Prince would commit suicide. No, not at PP, no way! Why would he want to be found that way by his employee's, and especially knowing he had a doctor's appointment the next morning? He was making plans for the future. He loved himself, life and people way too much to do that. He was a God loving man; a spritual man. And, for some who say that maybe he did commit suicide and made it look like an accident.....again, that's a definitive "no" from me.

PennyPurple said:

Stevie is catching hell on the internet for her statements.

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No doubt. I predict an apology coming soon.......

moonsister said:

PennyPurple said:

Stevie is catching hell on the internet for her statements.

Let's hope she isn't a regular reader of lipstick alley

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People on LA speak the truth and they are not censored either.

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

Stevie is catching hell on the internet for her statements.

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No doubt. I predict an apology coming soon.......

It better be coming, and soon.

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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No doubt. I predict an apology coming soon.......

It better be coming, and soon.

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I'm very disappointed in Stevie.

moonsister said:

PennyPurple said:

Stevie is catching hell on the internet for her statements.

Let's hope she isn't a regular reader of lipstick alley

I know. I've been over there quite a bit.

laurarichardson said:

purplegirl00 said:

I agree with Purplegirl - Prince aged so much in a very short period of time! Looking back at the "SNL 40th Anniversary After Party" - look how good Prince still looked. The date of that was 02/16/2015. If one has followed Prince for years, it is difficult for me to believe or comprehend, that they could not see the "Very Obvious" change for the worse in the appearance of Prince! Everyone in "Prince.org" will have to admit that Prince knew he was a "Sexy, Pretty Boy" from the word go. He walked the walk ~ He talked the talk. He had a zillion pictures made for all of his friends to gaze upon and enjoy for years to come. (This "Org" has devoted how many boards to just posting those "Sexy ~ Handsome ~ Pretty Pictures"????) He said he did not celebrate birthdays, did not count time and for this, he could still look young. (And to himself ~ and to everyone else, "Beautiful"). That was also something he was proud of. He obviously lost that look. I believe he did not wish to continue on with seeing the fast past of how his appearance was deteriorating. Reading what his people, that were close to him, revealed about him SENDING EVERYONE AWAY ~ He demanded his PRIVACY and wanted to BE ALONE. Prince owned his choices. That is all I am going to say about that. We will all still be missing Prince for a long time to come!! No one knows the answers and sorry to report ~ Prince took that mystery with him also!! Prince ALWAYS RULED!! He won again!!

Right. This is why I do not understand how people have removed all responsibility from Prince. He was not superhuman and could've made his own choices. While he was wonderful in so many ways, he was still a human being with flaws, shortcomings, and struggles. Because he was so private, we do not know what those were, but we do know he was suffering greatly in the last 3 months of his life. It was evident in his display of emotions, vulnerability, and his physical appearance. I am one who believes he was really just looking for relief and lost his way. He was not about pity and didn't want those around him to be concerned- hence the party he threw at PP the day after the plane incident. He gave reassurances, telling people not to "waste their prayers" that he was fine and sent everyone home. However, that's what people do when they are struggling and do not want everyone up in their business. Again, I don't know what happened, but I'm looking at Prince's humanity and not discounting that he may have chose the fate he had just to escape.

If that makes me insulting, so be it.

-- Good points. It could really be a stituation were he felt bad and did not want pity. If he had joint pain that was becoming debilitating and even if he stopped using pain pills there is no cure for severe joint pain he was going to have problems for the rest of his days.

We have comments from people who worked for him who are saying that he had problems going back to the late eighties so he could have just been fed up with it. In addition, pain can make you go insane and just make you not think in a rational manner. I think a lot of people discount pain and what it can do to even a strong man like Prince. He was still a human and maybe he just could not take it anymore.

It is so painful to accept the fact he was merely a mortal. A human being responsible for his own choices.

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None of us were with him and know what went down. What we do know is he was very much still mourning and was in pain and he aged from February to April a lot. For me there is no shame to Prince in either scenario. If he overdosed or said goodbye on his own terms. He was and always will be someone of incredible perserverance , will, courage, charisma and talent. He has helped me get through HELL by his music and movies and sometimes just for some of the sheer antics he did. I loved how petty he was, and his shade and that ego. He was everything!

I cannot hate on him if he decided he was tired and was ready to go. Can anyone imagine Prince in rehab or being old and not ambulatory? I can't. Sorry I just can't.

[Edited 7/10/17 16:21pm]

Vashtix said:

laurarichardson said:

Right. This is why I do not understand how people have removed all responsibility from Prince. He was not superhuman and could've made his own choices. While he was wonderful in so many ways, he was still a human being with flaws, shortcomings, and struggles. Because he was so private, we do not know what those were, but we do know he was suffering greatly in the last 3 months of his life. It was evident in his display of emotions, vulnerability, and his physical appearance. I am one who believes he was really just looking for relief and lost his way. He was not about pity and didn't want those around him to be concerned- hence the party he threw at PP the day after the plane incident. He gave reassurances, telling people not to "waste their prayers" that he was fine and sent everyone home. However, that's what people do when they are struggling and do not want everyone up in their business. Again, I don't know what happened, but I'm looking at Prince's humanity and not discounting that he may have chose the fate he had just to escape.

If that makes me insulting, so be it.

-- Good points. It could really be a stituation were he felt bad and did not want pity. If he had joint pain that was becoming debilitating and even if he stopped using pain pills there is no cure for severe joint pain he was going to have problems for the rest of his days.

We have comments from people who worked for him who are saying that he had problems going back to the late eighties so he could have just been fed up with it. In addition, pain can make you go insane and just make you not think in a rational manner. I think a lot of people discount pain and what it can do to even a strong man like Prince. He was still a human and maybe he just could not take it anymore.

It is so painful the fact he was merely a mortal. A human being responsible for his own choices.

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None of us were with him and know what went down. What we do know is he was very much still mourning and was in pain and he aged from February to April a lot. For me there is no shame to Prince in either scenario. If he overdosed or said goodbye on his own terms. He was and always will be someone of incredible perserverance , will, courage, charisma and talent. He has helped me get through HELL by his music and movies and sometimes just for some of the sheer antics he did. I loved how petty he was, and his shade and that ego. He was everything!

I cannot hate on him if he decided he was tired and was ready to go. Can anyone imagine Prince in rehab or being old and not ambulatory? I can't. Sorry I just can't.

we know you meant 'pretty' and Bless your Heart for posting these moving comments. xoxo

Vashtix said:

People seem to be forgetting that suicide was ruled-out. Prince died of an "accidental overdose" of illegal Fentanyl. He had "mislabeled" pills around his room/personal living quarters. I have said and believed from the very beginning that Prince did not know those pills were laced with Fentanyl.

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Again, I do not believe that Prince would commit suicide. No, not at PP, no way! Why would he want to be found that way by his employee's, and especially knowing he had a doctor's appointment the next morning? He was making plans for the future. He loved himself, life and people way too much to do that. He was a God loving man; a spiritual man. And, for some who say that maybe he did commit suicide and made it look like an accident.....again, that's a definitive "no" from me.

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Usually, there are warning signs when someone is contemplating suicide. Their behavior is "off", they say strange things, they withdrawal from socializing, they talk about ending their life, etc. Some of you people make it sound like Prince was in such a bad mental state that he decided to call it quits. The weeks before he died, he was out and about doing normal things, doing the P&M tour, and making plans for the future.

BillieBalloon said:

Vashtix said:

It is so painful to accept the fact he was merely a mortal. A human being responsible for his own choices.

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None of us were with him and know what went down. What we do know is he was very much still mourning and was in pain and he aged from February to April a lot. For me there is no shame to Prince in either scenario. If he overdosed or said goodbye on his own terms. He was and always will be someone of incredible perserverance , will, courage, charisma and talent. He has helped me get through HELL by his music and movies and sometimes just for some of the sheer antics he did. I loved how petty he was, and his shade and that ego. He was everything!

I cannot hate on him if he decided he was tired and was ready to go. Can anyone imagine Prince in rehab or being old and not ambulatory? I can't. Sorry I just can't.

[Edited 7/10/17 16:21pm]

Why would they rule out suicide if it was a serious consideration? Other stars have killed thselves and we know who they are. The authorites would not have hidden it, of it was suicide. Why are you hell bent on trying to convince yourself that P killed himself because he was mourning Vanity? Yes, i can imagine P old. He should have gotten old, he died too soon.

I agree, the idea of Prince committing suicide is so outrageous it's laughable. Even at his age he could still get the babes if he had gotten off the drugs. He cared about his money and his properties, he would not have left his estate in shambles. And he would not have bought 24 suicide pills, the amount at PP.

Vashtix said:

laurarichardson said:

Right. This is why I do not understand how people have removed all responsibility from Prince. He was not superhuman and could've made his own choices. While he was wonderful in so many ways, he was still a human being with flaws, shortcomings, and struggles. Because he was so private, we do not know what those were, but we do know he was suffering greatly in the last 3 months of his life. It was evident in his display of emotions, vulnerability, and his physical appearance. I am one who believes he was really just looking for relief and lost his way. He was not about pity and didn't want those around him to be concerned- hence the party he threw at PP the day after the plane incident. He gave reassurances, telling people not to "waste their prayers" that he was fine and sent everyone home. However, that's what people do when they are struggling and do not want everyone up in their business. Again, I don't know what happened, but I'm looking at Prince's humanity and not discounting that he may have chose the fate he had just to escape.

If that makes me insulting, so be it.

-- Good points. It could really be a stituation were he felt bad and did not want pity. If he had joint pain that was becoming debilitating and even if he stopped using pain pills there is no cure for severe joint pain he was going to have problems for the rest of his days.

We have comments from people who worked for him who are saying that he had problems going back to the late eighties so he could have just been fed up with it. In addition, pain can make you go insane and just make you not think in a rational manner. I think a lot of people discount pain and what it can do to even a strong man like Prince. He was still a human and maybe he just could not take it anymore.

It is so painful to accept the fact he was merely a mortal. A human being responsible for his own choices.

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None of us were with him and know what went down. What we do know is he was very much still mourning and was in pain and he aged from February to April a lot. For me there is no shame to Prince in either scenario. If he overdosed or said goodbye on his own terms. He was and always will be someone of incredible perserverance , will, courage, charisma and talent. He has helped me get through HELL by his music and movies and sometimes just for some of the sheer antics he did. I loved how petty he was, and his shade and that ego. He was everything!

I cannot hate on him if he decided he was tired and was ready to go. Can anyone imagine Prince in rehab or being old and not ambulatory? I can't. Sorry I just can't.

[Edited 7/10/17 16:21pm]

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No, it's not painful at all for me to accept that Prince was mortal. Of course, Prince was an adult who made his own decisions.

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So, you think that in the middle of his P&M tour that he just decided that day to call it quits?

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Why did he bother seeing Dr. S on April 20th then? I mean, if you are checking-out of this thing called "life", why bother, right?

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None of us know what he was thinking or feeling. We all love him and respect him.

cloveringold85 said:

moonsister said:

BillieBalloon said:

Vashtix said: Why would they rule out suicide if it was a serious consideration? Other stars have killed thselves and we know who they are. The authorites would not have hidden it, of it was suicide. Why are you hell bent on trying to convince yourself that P killed himself because he was mourning Vanity? Yes, i can imagine P old. He should have gotten old, he died too soon.

I agree, the idea of Prince committing suicide is so outrageous it's laughable. Even at his age he could still get the babes if he had gotten off the drugs. He cared about his money and his properties, he would not have left his estate in shambles. And he would not have bought 24 suicide pills, the amount at PP.

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Thanks to you both!

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Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but suicide......no, I just can't!

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I have had some pretty low points in my life, but to even fathom doing something like that......I know people who lost loved one's to suicide, and they hurt so many people they left behind....it's just not something that was in Prince's character to do.

BillieBalloon said:

cloveringold85 said:

People seem to be forgetting that suicide was ruled-out. Prince died of an "accidental overdose" of illegal Fentanyl. He had "mislabeled" pills around his room/personal living quarters. I have said and believed from the very beginning that Prince did not know those pills were laced with Fentanyl.

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Again, I do not believe that Prince would commit suicide. No, not at PP, no way! Why would he want to be found that way by his employee's, and especially knowing he had a doctor's appointment the next morning? He was making plans for the future. He loved himself, life and people way too much to do that. He was a God loving man; a spiritual man. And, for some who say that maybe he did commit suicide and made it look like an accident.....again, that's a definitive "no" from me.

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Usually, there are warning signs when someone is contemplating suicide. Their behavior is "off", they say strange things, they withdrawal from socializing, they talk about ending their life, etc. Some of you people make it sound like Prince was in such a bad mental state that he decided to call it quits. The weeks before he died, he was out and about doing normal things, doing the P&M tour, and making plans for the future.

Not only kill himself at PP but then want it opened as a museum for his fans. Just weird and not true.

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.....Well, that's another controversial subject. I was uncomfortable with PP tours/museum opening so soon after his sudden death, but I now understand it was for financial reasons; they could have lost PP forever. It's just weird/morbid how they covered up the elevator where he was found with a wall of his gold records, (if I'm not mistaken).

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cloveringold85 said:

purplegirl00 said:

I agree with Purplegirl - Prince aged so much in a very short period of time! Looking back at the "SNL 40th Anniversary After Party" - look how good Prince still looked. The date of that was 02/16/2015. If one has followed Prince for years, it is difficult for me to believe or comprehend, that they could not see the "Very Obvious" change for the worse in the appearance of Prince! Everyone in "Prince.org" will have to admit that Prince knew he was a "Sexy, Pretty Boy" from the word go. He walked the walk ~ He talked the talk. He had a zillion pictures made for all of his friends to gaze upon and enjoy for years to come. (This "Org" has devoted how many boards to just posting those "Sexy ~ Handsome ~ Pretty Pictures"????) He said he did not celebrate birthdays, did not count time and for this, he could still look young. (And to himself ~ and to everyone else, "Beautiful"). That was also something he was proud of. He obviously lost that look. I believe he did not wish to continue on with seeing the fast past of how his appearance was deteriorating. Reading what his people, that were close to him, revealed about him SENDING EVERYONE AWAY ~ He demanded his PRIVACY and wanted to BE ALONE. Prince owned his choices. That is all I am going to say about that. We will all still be missing Prince for a long time to come!! No one knows the answers and sorry to report ~ Prince took that mystery with him also!! Prince ALWAYS RULED!! He won again!!

Right. This is why I do not understand how people have removed all responsibility from Prince. He was not superhuman and could've made his own choices. While he was wonderful in so many ways, he was still a human being with flaws, shortcomings, and struggles. Because he was so private, we do not know what those were, but we do know he was suffering greatly in the last 3 months of his life. It was evident in his display of emotions, vulnerability, and his physical appearance. I am one who believes he was really just looking for relief and lost his way. He was not about pity and didn't want those around him to be concerned- hence the party he threw at PP the day after the plane incident. He gave reassurances, telling people not to "waste their prayers" that he was fine and sent everyone home. However, that's what people do when they are struggling and do not want everyone up in their business. Again, I don't know what happened, but I'm looking at Prince's humanity and not discounting that he may have chose the fate he had just to escape.

If that makes me insulting, so be it.

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Purplegirl: I don't think anyone here believes that Prince was superhuman.

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I also do not believe that Prince would commit suicide. No, not at PP, no way! Why would he want to be found that way by his employee's, and especially knowing he had a doctor's appointment the next morning? He was making plans for the future. He loved himself, life and people way too much to do that. He was a God loving man; a spritual man. And, for some who say that maybe he did commit suicide and made it look like an accident.....again, that's a definitive "no" from me.

When people say "Prince wouldn't have done this or that because that was not like him" right away my question is, how do you know? How do you know what he was thinking or what was going on with him? How do you know his suffering didn't overtake him? How can you make such an assumption? He was very private.

I have known two people that committed suicide and both had plans for their futures, near future too. Not all suicides are planned way ahead of time. Some happen because the person is in such a dark place at one given moment and has tried all to cope but just can't. From the people I knew- one was happily married with a wife and two beautiful babies. He worked at an ivy league university known for being the frontier for research and cutting edge technology. He and his colleagues were about to get a product patented. It was big. He overdosed in the bathroom that was right next door to his children's bedroom two weeks before he and his colleagues were to go to Haiti to test out the product. He and his wife were God loving people too. They attended church and led prayer groups. Everyone was taken a back because his future was so bright but he was suffering silently because of all the demands and expectations people had of him. So because someone has future plans, does not mean they can't fall into a dark place and end their lives.

purplegirl00 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Right. This is why I do not understand how people have removed all responsibility from Prince. He was not superhuman and could've made his own choices. While he was wonderful in so many ways, he was still a human being with flaws, shortcomings, and struggles. Because he was so private, we do not know what those were, but we do know he was suffering greatly in the last 3 months of his life. It was evident in his display of emotions, vulnerability, and his physical appearance. I am one who believes he was really just looking for relief and lost his way. He was not about pity and didn't want those around him to be concerned- hence the party he threw at PP the day after the plane incident. He gave reassurances, telling people not to "waste their prayers" that he was fine and sent everyone home. However, that's what people do when they are struggling and do not want everyone up in their business. Again, I don't know what happened, but I'm looking at Prince's humanity and not discounting that he may have chose the fate he had just to escape.

If that makes me insulting, so be it.

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Purplegirl: I don't think anyone here believes that Prince was superhuman.

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I also do not believe that Prince would commit suicide. No, not at PP, no way! Why would he want to be found that way by his employee's, and especially knowing he had a doctor's appointment the next morning? He was making plans for the future. He loved himself, life and people way too much to do that. He was a God loving man; a spritual man. And, for some who say that maybe he did commit suicide and made it look like an accident.....again, that's a definitive "no" from me.

When people say "Prince wouldn't have done this or that because that was not like him" right away my question is, how do you know? How do you know what he was thinking or what was going on with him? How do you know his suffering didn't overtake him? How can you make such an assumption? He was very private.

I have known two people that committed suicide and both had plans for their futures, near future too. Not all suicides are planned way ahead of time. Some happen because the person is in such a dark place at one given moment and has tried all to cope but just can't. From the people I knew- one was happily married with a wife and two beautiful babies. He worked at an ivy league university known for being the frontier for research and cutting edge technology. He and his colleagues were about to get a product patented. It was big. He overdosed in the bathroom that was right next door to his children's bedroom two weeks before he and his colleagues were to go to Haiti to test out the product. He and his wife were God loving people too. They attended church and led prayer groups. Everyone was taken a back because his future was so bright but he was suffering silently because of all the demands and expectations people had of him. So because someone has future plans, does not mean they can't fall into a dark place and end their lives.

purplegirl00 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Right. This is why I do not understand how people have removed all responsibility from Prince. He was not superhuman and could've made his own choices. While he was wonderful in so many ways, he was still a human being with flaws, shortcomings, and struggles. Because he was so private, we do not know what those were, but we do know he was suffering greatly in the last 3 months of his life. It was evident in his display of emotions, vulnerability, and his physical appearance. I am one who believes he was really just looking for relief and lost his way. He was not about pity and didn't want those around him to be concerned- hence the party he threw at PP the day after the plane incident. He gave reassurances, telling people not to "waste their prayers" that he was fine and sent everyone home. However, that's what people do when they are struggling and do not want everyone up in their business. Again, I don't know what happened, but I'm looking at Prince's humanity and not discounting that he may have chose the fate he had just to escape.

If that makes me insulting, so be it.

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Purplegirl: I don't think anyone here believes that Prince was superhuman.

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I also do not believe that Prince would commit suicide. No, not at PP, no way! Why would he want to be found that way by his employee's, and especially knowing he had a doctor's appointment the next morning? He was making plans for the future. He loved himself, life and people way too much to do that. He was a God loving man; a spritual man. And, for some who say that maybe he did commit suicide and made it look like an accident.....again, that's a definitive "no" from me.

When people say "Prince wouldn't have done this or that because that was not like him" right away my question is, how do you know? How do you know what he was thinking or what was going on with him? How do you know his suffering didn't overtake him? How can you make such an assumption? He was very private.

I have known two people that committed suicide and both had plans for their futures, near future too. Not all suicides are planned way ahead of time. Some happen because the person is in such a dark place at one given moment and has tried all to cope but just can't. From the people I knew- one was happily married with a wife and two beautiful babies. He worked at an ivy league university known for being the frontier for research and cutting edge technology. He and his colleagues were about to get a product patented. It was big. He overdosed in the bathroom that was right next door to his children's bedroom two weeks before he and his colleagues were to go to Haiti to test out the product. He and his wife were God loving people too. They attended church and led prayer groups. Everyone was taken a back because his future was so bright but he was suffering silently because of all the demands and expectations people had of him. So because someone has future plans, does not mean they can't fall into a dark place and end their lives.

For my final exit I'm going to put yesterdays clothes on backwards and not give a think about the millions in real estate I have amassed or the vault that is full of my children, not gonna say goodbye to my good friends Van or Judith or Tamron. . . .?

purplegirl00 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Right. This is why I do not understand how people have removed all responsibility from Prince. He was not superhuman and could've made his own choices. While he was wonderful in so many ways, he was still a human being with flaws, shortcomings, and struggles. Because he was so private, we do not know what those were, but we do know he was suffering greatly in the last 3 months of his life. It was evident in his display of emotions, vulnerability, and his physical appearance. I am one who believes he was really just looking for relief and lost his way. He was not about pity and didn't want those around him to be concerned- hence the party he threw at PP the day after the plane incident. He gave reassurances, telling people not to "waste their prayers" that he was fine and sent everyone home. However, that's what people do when they are struggling and do not want everyone up in their business. Again, I don't know what happened, but I'm looking at Prince's humanity and not discounting that he may have chose the fate he had just to escape.

If that makes me insulting, so be it.

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Purplegirl: I don't think anyone here believes that Prince was superhuman.

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I also do not believe that Prince would commit suicide. No, not at PP, no way! Why would he want to be found that way by his employee's, and especially knowing he had a doctor's appointment the next morning? He was making plans for the future. He loved himself, life and people way too much to do that. He was a God loving man; a spritual man. And, for some who say that maybe he did commit suicide and made it look like an accident.....again, that's a definitive "no" from me.

When people say "Prince wouldn't have done this or that because that was not like him" right away my question is, how do you know? How do you know what he was thinking or what was going on with him? How do you know his suffering didn't overtake him? How can you make such an assumption? He was very private.

I have known two people that committed suicide and both had plans for their futures, near future too. Not all suicides are planned way ahead of time. Some happen because the person is in such a dark place at one given moment and has tried all to cope but just can't. From the people I knew- one was happily married with a wife and two beautiful babies. He worked at an ivy league university known for being the frontier for research and cutting edge technology. He and his colleagues were about to get a product patented. It was big. He overdosed in the bathroom that was right next door to his children's bedroom two weeks before he and his colleagues were to go to Haiti to test out the product. He and his wife were God loving people too. They attended church and led prayer groups. Everyone was taken a back because his future was so bright but he was suffering silently because of all the demands and expectations people had of him. So because someone has future plans, does not mean they can't fall into a dark place and end their lives.

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I'm not claiming to know what Prince felt or what he was thinking. None of us know what his frame of mind was in the months, weeks and days leading up to his death.

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I also personally know people who did themselves in, and they seemed to "have it all".

cloveringold85 said:

Vashtix said:

It is so painful to accept the fact he was merely a mortal. A human being responsible for his own choices.

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None of us were with him and know what went down. What we do know is he was very much still mourning and was in pain and he aged from February to April a lot. For me there is no shame to Prince in either scenario. If he overdosed or said goodbye on his own terms. He was and always will be someone of incredible perserverance , will, courage, charisma and talent. He has helped me get through HELL by his music and movies and sometimes just for some of the sheer antics he did. I loved how petty he was, and his shade and that ego. He was everything!

I cannot hate on him if he decided he was tired and was ready to go. Can anyone imagine Prince in rehab or being old and not ambulatory? I can't. Sorry I just can't.

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No, it's not painful at all for me to accept that Prince was mortal. Of course, Prince was an adult who made his own decisions.

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So, you think that in the middle of his P&M tour that he just decided that day to call it quits?

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Why did he bother seeing Dr. S on April 20th then? I mean, if you are checking-out of this thing called "life", why bother, right?

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None of us know what he was thinking or feeling. We all love him and respect him.

Maybe he pushed as far he could go with concerts and if he called this doctor himself, perhaps he was really trying find a way to help the pain or whatever he was going through.

We don't know what he was thinking or feeling and that is my point.

purplegirl00 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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No, it's not painful at all for me to accept that Prince was mortal. Of course, Prince was an adult who made his own decisions.

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So, you think that in the middle of his P&M tour that he just decided that day to call it quits?

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Why did he bother seeing Dr. S on April 20th then? I mean, if you are checking-out of this thing called "life", why bother, right?

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None of us know what he was thinking or feeling. We all love him and respect him.

Maybe he pushed as far he could go with concerts and if he called this doctor himself, perhaps he was really trying find a way to help the pain or whatever he was going through.

We don't know what he was thinking or feeling and that is my point.

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Perhaps. I guess we will never know. I just wish it ended differently...we all do.

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Basically, it sucks that he's gone, but this is what we gotta deal with now.