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moonsister said:

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cloveringold85 said:

MMJas said:

Read your sentence again. Does it really sound that farfetched to you?
I recently read an interview by this american comedian (will try to find his name) in which he stated that Prince had no friends with him in his last tour, whereas before he used to have many people around. Yes, I believe Prince was addicted, was ashamed for being addicted (blame it on this lousy judgemental society of ours, which he knew all to well), might have taken more cause he simply did not care anymore (who ODs twice in the same week?), was lonely at heart (no wife, no partner, no kids, no close family - see his family now battling for money, etc), was a hermit at heart (reports of him being all by himself at PP abound), and his injuries limited his capacity to perform immensily, i.e. affecting his making a living performing as before, hence the drugs, hence the P&M tour, hence applying his make up himself, hence nobody around him.

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MMJas: I respectfully disagree with you.

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Prince had TONS of friends. More friends than you or I could ever imagine.

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He was in pain and wanted relief from that pain, and that does not make him an addict. If you have chronic migraines and take Advil every day (which you're not supposed to, but using that as an example), so would that make you a drug-addict?

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Was he ashamed? We don't know that for sure.

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Yes, Prince overdosed a week prior, and we have no proof that it was intentional.

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Prince was lonely? Again, not true -- he had many friends and female friends in particular.

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Not everyone gets married and has kids. Why are we as a society so hell-bent into thinking that if we aren't married or have kids, then we have no reason to live? I know plenty of people who were married and had children and now they are divorced and are still single.

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Sure, Prince spent time alone; don't you ever spend any time alone? It's healthy to be alone sometimes. Prince spent time alone at PP when he was working in his studio or just doing day-to-day business and personal stuff.....don't we all do that....spend time alone?

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He was 57 years-old and I'm sure most of us don't expect Prince to perform like he was 25 anymore. What's so unusual about sitting at a piano? Bill Joel did it.

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What's wrong with him applying his own make-up? Are you even serious with that??!!

Respectfully...

... the fact still is we don't know. Prince had a lot of people around him, yes. Did he trust them? We don't know. Were they true friends? We don't know. How do friendships work at that level? Very differently than for you an me. Nobody truly trusts anyone because there are backstabbers and money opportunistics everywhere, so the person tends to keep to himself/herself, whilst looking outgoing and friendy. Most people he hung with were much younger and new to the circle. People that were in awe of him.

But do you see what I did there? I really don't know either. This is my assumption. That's what I was getting at in the previous post. We do not know the man.

Are you really telling me that not everyone gets married and has kids? That i don't understand what it is to spend time alone? Excuse me? How old do you think I am? 5? Of course not everyone gets married nor has kids! But Prince had two divorces and lost two kids, one of them very dramatically. So yes, I believe that weighed on his mind. I believe that was an issue.
Concerning spending time alone. He spent a lot of time alone alone in PP, according to many people. A lot. And he did so from a very early age. So he was creating. Ok. But it was still alone time, right? His whole alone creative process might have been a form of therapy also. Again, this is an assumption.

Finally, applying his own make up. Didn't you read about his makeup looking pasty and badly applied in later months? When did you ever see Prince not in an immaculate makeup? He started doing it himself. To cut down costs? To avoid having people so much in his face and realizing something was wrong? We don't know. He probably thought he looked good and was done well, but he wasn't. Much like a person under the influence of something that makes an effort and thinks all is perfectly fine, but then there are those visual give aways.

I'll end on this note: he was alone, after overdoseing the week before. Imagine he did have an ilness. Those close to him could surely tell. You can tell when someone is ill, or at least not himself/herself. How come he did not take calls from Sheila E and Apples? These two very important women in his life.

Stevie Nicks might have heard from people in the business about him being addicted, being, ill, not wanting help, wanting to keep the facade (this has always been Prince's MO, ffs!). She has been down that road, so knowing how private Prince was and how much of an advocate for a healthy lifestyle he was, she figured it must have been hell for him.
Prince was a lonely guy,I truly believe that. Life made him that way. It shows in his lyrics, in the way he surrounded himself with people, the younger the better (no questions asked, how he controlled everything he did and everyone. This is my opinion and don't have to appologise for having one, especially being a fan of his from day one. Believe me, I absolutely adore this man.

P.S: You can say he was alone because he did not want anyone around and what Prince wanted, Prince got. He was the boss. He pushed everyone away. People did what they were told. Nobody could make him do anything. Isn't that being alone?

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moonsister said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

On the today show she said that she knew for 2 years he was done on this earth, so,unlike the fans who were shocked and devistaed, she had to years to prepare herself so she was o.k.

Sketchy tacky and bizarre is what she is.

Nothing she said on that show was tacky or bizarre. She was asked a question and she answered it.

It just does not fit the drugged out rock star narrative that you want.

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

Nothing she said on that show was tacky or bizarre. She was asked a question and she answered it.

It just does not fit the drugged out rock star narrative that you want.

So you’re totally fine with her suggesting he committed suicide because he was ashamed of an addiction to painkillers? Who here is pushing a drugged out rick star narrative?!?

Stevie can suggest anything she wants. It is a free country. It was either suicide or murder. I have you taken a look at the toxicolgy report that leaked?

I do not know that suicide has to always be about anyone being ashamed since the public knew little about his problem up and til the plane went down.

I cannot understand why some of you might not see that he may have been is some tremedous ass pain.

I know you know who thinks that Prince was a drugged out, depressed, bi-sexual rock star. I do not have to name names.

MMJas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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MMJas: I respectfully disagree with you.

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Prince had TONS of friends. More friends than you or I could ever imagine.

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He was in pain and wanted relief from that pain, and that does not make him an addict. If you have chronic migraines and take Advil every day (which you're not supposed to, but using that as an example), so would that make you a drug-addict?

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Was he ashamed? We don't know that for sure.

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Yes, Prince overdosed a week prior, and we have no proof that it was intentional.

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Prince was lonely? Again, not true -- he had many friends and female friends in particular.

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Not everyone gets married and has kids. Why are we as a society so hell-bent into thinking that if we aren't married or have kids, then we have no reason to live? I know plenty of people who were married and had children and now they are divorced and are still single.

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Sure, Prince spent time alone; don't you ever spend any time alone? It's healthy to be alone sometimes. Prince spent time alone at PP when he was working in his studio or just doing day-to-day business and personal stuff.....don't we all do that....spend time alone?

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He was 57 years-old and I'm sure most of us don't expect Prince to perform like he was 25 anymore. What's so unusual about sitting at a piano? Bill Joel did it.

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What's wrong with him applying his own make-up? Are you even serious with that??!!

Respectfully...

... the fact still is we don't know. Prince had a lot of people around him, yes. Did he trust them? We don't know. Were they true friends? We don't know. How do friendships work at that level? Very differently than for you an me. Nobody truly trusts anyone because there are backstabbers and money opportunistics everywhere, so the person tends to keep to himself/herself, whilst looking outgoing and friendy. Most people he hung with were much younger and new to the circle. People that were in awe of him.

But do you see what I did there? I really don't know either. This is my assumption. That's what I was getting at in the previous post. We do not know the man.

Are you really telling me that not everyone gets married and has kids? That i don't understand what it is to spend time alone? Excuse me? How old do you think I am? 5? Of course not everyone gets married nor has kids! But Prince had two divorces and lost two kids, one of them very dramatically. So yes, I believe that weighed on his mind. I believe that was an issue.
Concerning spending time alone. He spent a lot of time alone alone in PP, according to many people. A lot. And he did so from a very early age. So he was creating. Ok. But it was still alone time, right? His whole alone creative process might have been a form of therapy also. Again, this is an assumption.

Finally, applying his own make up. Didn't you read about his makeup looking pasty and badly applied in later months? When did you ever see Prince not in an immaculate makeup? He started doing it himself. To cut down costs? To avoid having people so much in his face and realizing something was wrong? We don't know. He probably thought he looked good and was done well, but he wasn't. Much like a person under the influence of something that makes an effort and thinks all is perfectly fine, but then there are those visual give aways.

I'll end on this note: he was alone, after overdoseing the week before. Imagine he did have an ilness. Those close to him could surely tell. You can tell when someone is ill, or at least not himself/herself. How come he did not take calls from Sheila E and Apples? These two very important women in his life.

Stevie Nicks might have heard from people in the business about him being addicted, being, ill, not wanting help, wanting to keep the facade (this has always been Prince's MO, ffs!). She has been down that road, so knowing how private Prince was and how much of an advocate for a healthy lifestyle he was, she figured it must have been hell for him.
Prince was a lonely guy,I truly believe that. Life made him that way. It shows in his lyrics, in the way he surrounded himself with people, the younger the better (no questions asked, how he controlled everything he did and everyone. This is my opinion and don't have to appologise for having one, especially being a fan of his from day one. Believe me, I absolutely adore this man.

P.S: You can say he was alone because he did not want anyone around and what Prince wanted, Prince got. He was the boss. He pushed everyone away. People did what they were told. Nobody could make him do anything. Isn't that being alone?

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Thank you for your thoughtful and compassionate post. Well said

laurarichardson said:

moonsister said:

laurarichardson said:

Nothing she said on that show was tacky or bizarre. She was asked a question and she answered it.

It just does not fit the drugged out rock star narrative that you want.

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MMJas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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MMJas: I respectfully disagree with you.

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Prince had TONS of friends. More friends than you or I could ever imagine.

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He was in pain and wanted relief from that pain, and that does not make him an addict. If you have chronic migraines and take Advil every day (which you're not supposed to, but using that as an example), so would that make you a drug-addict?

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Was he ashamed? We don't know that for sure.

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Yes, Prince overdosed a week prior, and we have no proof that it was intentional.

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Prince was lonely? Again, not true -- he had many friends and female friends in particular.

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Not everyone gets married and has kids. Why are we as a society so hell-bent into thinking that if we aren't married or have kids, then we have no reason to live? I know plenty of people who were married and had children and now they are divorced and are still single.

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Sure, Prince spent time alone; don't you ever spend any time alone? It's healthy to be alone sometimes. Prince spent time alone at PP when he was working in his studio or just doing day-to-day business and personal stuff.....don't we all do that....spend time alone?

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He was 57 years-old and I'm sure most of us don't expect Prince to perform like he was 25 anymore. What's so unusual about sitting at a piano? Bill Joel did it.

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What's wrong with him applying his own make-up? Are you even serious with that??!!

Respectfully...

... the fact still is we don't know. Prince had a lot of people around him, yes. Did he trust them? We don't know. Were they true friends? We don't know. How do friendships work at that level? Very differently than for you an me. Nobody truly trusts anyone because there are backstabbers and money opportunistics everywhere, so the person tends to keep to himself/herself, whilst looking outgoing and friendy. Most people he hung with were much younger and new to the circle. People that were in awe of him.

But do you see what I did there? I really don't know either. This is my assumption. That's what I was getting at in the previous post. We do not know the man.

Are you really telling me that not everyone gets married and has kids? That i don't understand what it is to spend time alone? Excuse me? How old do you think I am? 5? Of course not everyone gets married nor has kids! But Prince had two divorces and lost two kids, one of them very dramatically. So yes, I believe that weighed on his mind. I believe that was an issue.
Concerning spending time alone. He spent a lot of time alone alone in PP, according to many people. A lot. And he did so from a very early age. So he was creating. Ok. But it was still alone time, right? His whole alone creative process might have been a form of therapy also. Again, this is an assumption.

Finally, applying his own make up. Didn't you read about his makeup looking pasty and badly applied in later months? When did you ever see Prince not in an immaculate makeup? He started doing it himself. To cut down costs? To avoid having people so much in his face and realizing something was wrong? We don't know. He probably thought he looked good and was done well, but he wasn't. Much like a person under the influence of something that makes an effort and thinks all is perfectly fine, but then there are those visual give aways.

I'll end on this note: he was alone, after overdoseing the week before. Imagine he did have an ilness. Those close to him could surely tell. You can tell when someone is ill, or at least not himself/herself. How come he did not take calls from Sheila E and Apples? These two very important women in his life.

Stevie Nicks might have heard from people in the business about him being addicted, being, ill, not wanting help, wanting to keep the facade (this has always been Prince's MO, ffs!). She has been down that road, so knowing how private Prince was and how much of an advocate for a healthy lifestyle he was, she figured it must have been hell for him.
Prince was a lonely guy,I truly believe that. Life made him that way. It shows in his lyrics, in the way he surrounded himself with people, the younger the better (no questions asked, how he controlled everything he did and everyone. This is my opinion and don't have to appologise for having one, especially being a fan of his from day one. Believe me, I absolutely adore this man.

P.S: You can say he was alone because he did not want anyone around and what Prince wanted, Prince got. He was the boss. He pushed everyone away. People did what they were told. Nobody could make him do anything. Isn't that being alone?

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MMJas: Please calm down. No one said you were 5-years old. Like you said, none of us really know what Prince was feeling or thinking before he died. I never said I knew either.

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I'm sure Prince had plenty of people he did not trust.

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The part about marriage and kids was a response to what you said about him being alone, no children and no wife. All I was saying is that having those things does not necessarily equate to happiness.

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Regarding his makeup. The Piano & Microphone tour was nothing elaborate, so I don't see the need for him to have a professional makeup artist on staff. You seem to think that is a big issue, but I don't.

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I honestly don't know why he didn't accept calls from Apples or Sheila E.

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We have to remember that Prince was also grieving the loss of Denise (Vanity). And a lot of times, when someone is grieving, they really don't feel like picking up the phone and reaching out to people. They need their space and their time alone to grieve.

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Lots of people in the music business hear rumors, but that doesn't make it true.

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A lot of what you said I have to argument with. You seem to be going off on tangents. Yes, Prince was a single man and spent time alone. I don't see anything odd with that.

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We all have our own point of view, and I respect yours.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

MMJas said:

Respectfully...

... the fact still is we don't know. Prince had a lot of people around him, yes. Did he trust them? We don't know. Were they true friends? We don't know. How do friendships work at that level? Very differently than for you an me. Nobody truly trusts anyone because there are backstabbers and money opportunistics everywhere, so the person tends to keep to himself/herself, whilst looking outgoing and friendy. Most people he hung with were much younger and new to the circle. People that were in awe of him.

But do you see what I did there? I really don't know either. This is my assumption. That's what I was getting at in the previous post. We do not know the man.

Are you really telling me that not everyone gets married and has kids? That i don't understand what it is to spend time alone? Excuse me? How old do you think I am? 5? Of course not everyone gets married nor has kids! But Prince had two divorces and lost two kids, one of them very dramatically. So yes, I believe that weighed on his mind. I believe that was an issue.
Concerning spending time alone. He spent a lot of time alone alone in PP, according to many people. A lot. And he did so from a very early age. So he was creating. Ok. But it was still alone time, right? His whole alone creative process might have been a form of therapy also. Again, this is an assumption.

Finally, applying his own make up. Didn't you read about his makeup looking pasty and badly applied in later months? When did you ever see Prince not in an immaculate makeup? He started doing it himself. To cut down costs? To avoid having people so much in his face and realizing something was wrong? We don't know. He probably thought he looked good and was done well, but he wasn't. Much like a person under the influence of something that makes an effort and thinks all is perfectly fine, but then there are those visual give aways.

I'll end on this note: he was alone, after overdoseing the week before. Imagine he did have an ilness. Those close to him could surely tell. You can tell when someone is ill, or at least not himself/herself. How come he did not take calls from Sheila E and Apples? These two very important women in his life.

Stevie Nicks might have heard from people in the business about him being addicted, being, ill, not wanting help, wanting to keep the facade (this has always been Prince's MO, ffs!). She has been down that road, so knowing how private Prince was and how much of an advocate for a healthy lifestyle he was, she figured it must have been hell for him.
Prince was a lonely guy,I truly believe that. Life made him that way. It shows in his lyrics, in the way he surrounded himself with people, the younger the better (no questions asked, how he controlled everything he did and everyone. This is my opinion and don't have to appologise for having one, especially being a fan of his from day one. Believe me, I absolutely adore this man.

P.S: You can say he was alone because he did not want anyone around and what Prince wanted, Prince got. He was the boss. He pushed everyone away. People did what they were told. Nobody could make him do anything. Isn't that being alone?

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Thank you for your thoughtful and compassionate post. Well said

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Hmmm, so are you trying insinuate that I am not compassionate?

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btw, I was not arguing with most of what MMJas said.

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laurarichardson said:

moonsister said:

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As for the Stevie Nicks quote (assuming it was accurate, since the source is a little shady): I think it's fine for her to give her opinion, and she definitely has a relevant perspective as a fellow rock star a few decades out from her peak popularity. However, I don't think she had much direct contact with Prince in recent months/years so I don't know if she has any particular factual knowledge about his specific situation toward the end of his life.

From LauraRichardson:

Where is the compassion?

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disch said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

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rogifan said:

disch said:

Putting aside your silly discussion about "how drug addicts act," speaking for myself: I try to have compassion for ALL people who are struggling with addiction, whether or not the reason they started first started taking the substance was for physical pain or for other reasons.

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As has been discussed here ad nauseum, nearly ALL addicts are struggling with underlying issues, whether those are physical pain, mental-health issues or emotional problems. I won't provide links because citing sources has tended to anger you in the past, but you can certainly google tons of info about this.

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So I'd ask: Where's YOUR compassion for everyone struggling with addiction, including those with mental and emotional struggles? Or is your compassion strictly reserved for the subsegment of people you've decreed as morally acceptable?

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As for the Stevie Nicks quote (assuming it was accurate, since the source is a little shady): I think it's fine for her to give her opinion, and she definitely has a relevant perspective as a fellow rock star a few decades out from her peak popularity. However, I don't think she had much direct contact with Prince in recent months/years so I don't know if she has any particular factual knowledge about his specific situation toward the end of his life.

So I have a question since I really know nothing about drugs and have never touched them in my life outside of Advil for a headache. Is someone who dies from a drug overdose an addict or is it possible that an OD can happen to anyone? When you see news stories about 50,000 people dying from opioid overdose (or whatever the number is) is it safe to assume all of those people were addicted?

I think some are addicts and I think this stuff is being mixed up with so many other substances that it is killing people who may be first time users and not actually addicts. I think over the years doctors over prescribed these meds and many people are too dependent on them and the slack off and crack down may be driving dependent users to the streets.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Honestly, Laura: No one here is saying that Prince didn't have pain. We all know he had pain.

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There are people who question Tyka's comments and her behavior. No one is saying she is a bad person. Peculiar, yes, but not a bad person.

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There are plenty of people here who are compassionate. We all love and care about Prince just as much as you do.

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Tyka behavior has been called weird and which is not a compliment and not discussing his drug issues without mentioning pain issues to my mind is ignoring it. Everybody is not doing this but some poster are doing this on a routine basis.

Actually I think she was happy her international superstar brother was no longer here to outshine her once again, and I think she ignorantly thought her own musical career would now take off. People magazine quoted her as saying that yes she thinks she will inherit ALL her brothers wealth.

I also think she did nothing to help her brother, or support her brother, or anything else after her brother overdosed on a frigging plane. She sat back, combing her purple "hair", thinking about a Tyka.org.

She had him cremated almost immediately, because she didnt want to see the outpouring of hurt and anguish a proper funeral and burial would cause. She wanted him gone gone gone, like now. She might be mentally ill but I still find it almost unbelievable that she would walk out of a cremation with a bag of Flamin' Hot Cheetos. If that aint the icing on a warped mind ratty wigged mind I dont know what is.

moonsister said:

BillieBalloon said:

moonsister said:

Actually I think she was happy her international superstar brother was no longer here to outshine her once again, and I think she ignorantly thought her own musical career would now take off. People magazine quoted her as saying that yes she thinks she will inherit ALL her brothers wealth.

I also think she did nothing to help her brother, or support her brother, or anything else after her brother overdosed on a frigging plane. She sat back, combing her purple "hair", thinking about a Tyka.org.

She had him cremated almost immediately, because she didnt want to see the outpouring of hurt and anguish a proper funeral and burial would cause. She wanted him gone gone gone, like now. She might be mentally ill but I still find it almost unbelievable that she would walk out of a cremation with a bag of Flamin' Hot Cheetos. If that aint the icing on a warped mind ratty wigged mind I dont know what is.

Hating on Tyka isnt going to bring Prince back.

Neither will hating on Mayte, or Mani, or Londell, or Sharon, or Kirk or Dr S or anyone else peeps here like to hate on. Fucking hell there are hundreds of I hate Mayte threads, this place is worse than the alley cesspool at times.

“He needed to go. He was tired,” she says. “Instead of crying, dance. He didn’t like me to cry, so I don’t want them to cry either.”

He NEEDED to go? Really? Maybe he just needed a nap, and for some of the leeches he was helping (like her in her time of need when she was hooking to care for her kids?? I guess the food stamps were spent on drugs) to go out and make their own living.

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I'm no expert but I'd say, you definitely don't need to be addicted to OD. I've heard of people ODing the very first time they tried something (for example I've heard of teenagers ODing from taking a drug at a club that ended up being spiked).

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In Prince's case I personally think there are other things that point to addiction, not just the fatal OD (but that's part of it).

rogifan said:

disch said:

Putting aside your silly discussion about "how drug addicts act," speaking for myself: I try to have compassion for ALL people who are struggling with addiction, whether or not the reason they started first started taking the substance was for physical pain or for other reasons.

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As has been discussed here ad nauseum, nearly ALL addicts are struggling with underlying issues, whether those are physical pain, mental-health issues or emotional problems. I won't provide links because citing sources has tended to anger you in the past, but you can certainly google tons of info about this.

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So I'd ask: Where's YOUR compassion for everyone struggling with addiction, including those with mental and emotional struggles? Or is your compassion strictly reserved for the subsegment of people you've decreed as morally acceptable?

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As for the Stevie Nicks quote (assuming it was accurate, since the source is a little shady): I think it's fine for her to give her opinion, and she definitely has a relevant perspective as a fellow rock star a few decades out from her peak popularity. However, I don't think she had much direct contact with Prince in recent months/years so I don't know if she has any particular factual knowledge about his specific situation toward the end of his life.

So I have a question since I really know nothing about drugs and have never touched them in my life outside of Advil for a headache. Is someone who dies from a drug overdose an addict or is it possible that an OD can happen to anyone? When you see news stories about 50,000 people dying from opioid overdose (or whatever the number is) is it safe to assume all of those people were addicted?

The fact remains, neither the police nor the ME, rule his death as a suicide. Stevie doesn't know anymore than the rest of us.

disch said:

I'm no expert but I'd say, you definitely don't need to be addicted to OD. I've heard of people ODing the very first time they tried something (for example I've heard of teenagers ODing from taking a drug at a club that ended up being spiked).

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In Prince's case I personally think there are other things that point to addiction, not just the fatal OD (but that's part of it).

rogifan said:

disch said: So I have a question since I really know nothing about drugs and have never touched them in my life outside of Advil for a headache. Is someone who dies from a drug overdose an addict or is it possible that an OD can happen to anyone? When you see news stories about 50,000 people dying from opioid overdose (or whatever the number is) is it safe to assume all of those people were addicted?

I think if you have a hundred illicit Vicodin hidden in a couple different spots in your house you def have more than a curiosity. But does it matter the semantics? Only to people who are in denial about today's drug addiction. Cops, doctors, lawyers, judges, etc are becoming addicted. It does, though, make for a handy place to spend mental time arguing with strangers about what exactly a drug addict looks like. Am I the only one with a lawn to mow, or meals to prepare?

PennyPurple said:

The fact remains, neither the police nor the ME, rule his death as a suicide. Stevie doesn't know anymore than the rest of us.

That is true, and some of us are more emotional than others and get caught up in the anger over what happened to a friend. She must be one of those people.

moonsister said:

I think if you have a hundred illicit Vicodin hidden in a couple different spots in your house you def have more than a curiosity. But does it matter the semantics? Only to people who are in denial about today's drug addiction. Cops, doctors, lawyers, judges, etc are becoming addicted. It does, though, make for a handy place to spend mental time arguing with strangers about what exactly a drug addict looks like. Am I the only one with a lawn to mow, or meals to prepare?

I know, and I agree.

as do I

PennyPurple said:

moonsister said:

I think if you have a hundred illicit Vicodin hidden in a couple different spots in your house you def have more than a curiosity. But does it matter the semantics? Only to people who are in denial about today's drug addiction. Cops, doctors, lawyers, judges, etc are becoming addicted. It does, though, make for a handy place to spend mental time arguing with strangers about what exactly a drug addict looks like. Am I the only one with a lawn to mow, or meals to prepare?

I know, and I agree.