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Bodhitheblackdog said:

rogifan said:

dinnerparty said:

and the more people who speak out on the dangers of addiction the more attention the problem gets, and maybe something will be done about the shady doctors who overprescribe and get unsuspecting people addicted.

People are upset at what Stevie said about a person basically unknown to any of us here, just think if your son or daughter were addicted to drugs, wouldn't you want people not only talking but screaming about the problem?

She is a person with the balls to speak up and risk critisism. You folks with the broken feelings- just WTF really?

Oh for godssake she insinuated that he committed suicide because he was ashamed he had an addiction problem. What evidence does she have to make that claim? Heck we don’t even have anything official that confirms he was an addict. Secondly she gives the impression he was this lonely hermit who had no friends and was basically an invalid. She seems to be coming to this conclusion based on the fact he wasn’t married and didn’t have any (living) children. Seriously? Sorry I don’t see anything in her comments that are about brining to light the problems of addiction.

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Rog: I agree. She said a lot of things that were below the belt. Suggesting suicide and the fact that he wasn't married and did not have children. Everyone doesn't have the perfect story book life, with the white picket fence, a house, 2 children and a Dog.....ya know?! I know she was just speaking off the cuff, but still!!!!

rogifan said:

PeteSilas said:

Everytime I think about those goddamned heels, I wonder what bullshit people must have put him through for being a short misfit to have to resort to going through that much pain. Hell, I can't even wear dress shoes, people sometime chide me for dressing like a bum, but I'm comfortable when I dress like a bum. They have a point that as a performer I shouldn't dress like a bum but i'm not a star so what difference does it make?

I’ve always wondered if his heels (not the wedges) were platform shoes? If not then yeah he must have killed his feet. I’m very short (5’1) and used to wear high heels all the time. Now my feet can’t take it any more so I’ve owned my shortness and the 4 heels are gone.

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Rog....I'm only 5'2", so welcome to the club!! LOL

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I think Prince was wearing "wedges" more in his last few years.

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I don't enjoy wearing high-heels anymore either and if I like to have some height, I wear wedges! I really messed my feet up from wearing bad shoes when I was a Teenager and young adult. I work in an office environment, so for many years, I wore dresses, suits & high heels, and now I don't enjoy wearing them, same as you.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

PennyPurple said:

Maybe she needs to talk about her drug use, instead of alleging Prince's possible drug use.

Or maybe she's speaking out from a position of hard-earned empathy, as in, it takes one to know one.

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But, Prince was never a drug addict, like Stevie was -- sniffing powder up her nose and addicted to prescription drugs back in the 80s & 90s. Prince did not hang with that crowd and that was one of the reasons they drifted apart as friends. He did not like her drug use, and she said so, herself.

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Prince was seeking relief from his pain, not just popping pills to get high. There is a difference.

rogifan said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

But THE MAN IS THE MUSIC...Prince said so, "I am music." You are making a distinction without a difference.

I suppose. But I guess I’m referring to people going on about his childhood or relationships or how he could never be/do this or that because of X, Y or Z. Seems people are so desperate to understand why what happened happened they psychoanalyze to death. Fams have turned into doctors and psychiatrists.

Because, just like you, we loved him so much it's hard to let go. Talking about him makes him seem a little closer. I know it sounds/feels strange...but it's a kind of grieving. Hang in there. xoxo

moonsister said:

laurarichardson said:

moonsister said: But that is not what KJ told the cops which he could have told them if that was the case. He said Dr.S wrote that script for Prince under his name. Dr.S said this was not true so someone is telling lies. Writing Rxs under another person's name is illegal unless you think the laws changed for Prince, KJ and Dr.S.

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Everyone is starting to 'derail' this thread

MMJas said:

rogifan said:

dinnerparty said: Oh for godssake she insinuated that he committed suicide because he was ashamed he had an addiction problem. What evidence does she have to make that claim? Heck we don’t even have anything official that confirms he was an addict. Secondly she gives the impression he was this lonely hermit who had no friends and was basically an invalid. She seems to be coming to this conclusion based on the fact he wasn’t married and didn’t have any (living) children. Seriously? Sorry I don’t see anything in her comments that are about brining to light the problems of addiction.

Read your sentence again. Does it really sound that farfetched to you?
I recently read an interview by this american comedian (will try to find his name) in which he stated that Prince had no friends with him in his last tour, whereas before he used to have many people around. Yes, I believe Prince was addicted, was ashamed for being addicted (blame it on this lousy judgemental society of ours, which he knew all to well), might have taken more cause he simply did not care anymore (who ODs twice in the same week?), was lonely at heart (no wife, no partner, no kids, no close family - see his family now battling for money, etc), was a hermit at heart (reports of him being all by himself at PP abound), and his injuries limited his capacity to perform immensily, i.e. affecting his making a living performing as before, hence the drugs, hence the P&M tour, hence applying his make up himself, hence nobody around him.

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MMJas: I respectfully disagree with you.

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Prince had TONS of friends. More friends than you or I could ever imagine.

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He was in pain and wanted relief from that pain, and that does not make him an addict. If you have chronic migraines and take Advil every day (which you're not supposed to, but using that as an example), so would that make you a drug-addict?

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Was he ashamed? We don't know that for sure.

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Yes, Prince overdosed a week prior, and we have no proof that it was intentional.

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Prince was lonely? Again, not true -- he had many friends and female friends in particular.

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Not everyone gets married and has kids. Why are we as a society so hell-bent into thinking that if we aren't married or have kids, then we have no reason to live? I know plenty of people who were married and had children and now they are divorced and are still single.

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Sure, Prince spent time alone; don't you ever spend any time alone? It's healthy to be alone sometimes. Prince spent time alone at PP when he was working in his studio or just doing day-to-day business and personal stuff.....don't we all do that....spend time alone?

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He was 57 years-old and I'm sure most of us don't expect Prince to perform like he was 25 anymore. What's so unusual about sitting at a piano? Bill Joel did it.

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What's wrong with him applying his own make-up? Are you even serious with that??!!

Purplestar88 said:

MMJas said:

Read your sentence again. Does it really sound that farfetched to you?
I recently read an interview by this american comedian (will try to find his name) in which he stated that Prince had no friends with him in his last tour, whereas before he used to have many people around. Yes, I believe Prince was addicted, was ashamed for being addicted (blame it on this lousy judgemental society of ours, which he knew all to well), might have taken more cause he simply did not care anymore (who ODs twice in the same week?), was lonely at heart (no wife, no partner, no kids, no close family - see his family now battling for money, etc), was a hermit at heart (reports of him being all by himself at PP abound), and his injuries limited his capacity to perform immensily, i.e. affecting his making a living performing as before, hence the drugs, hence the P&M tour, hence applying his make up himself, hence nobody around him.

I think Chris Rock said he did have a lot of people around him on his last tour. It does not sound farfetched but we don't how he felt about these things or why he cut down the people that was around him. She has to be careful of what she is saying because she was not close to him or know what was in his mind to be claiming anything. I know of a lot people who cut down people around them because you can a lot people around and when things get tough you don't see anyone around to help you. I bet all those people that was around him was on payroll and that's why some of them might have been there in the first people. He was getting older and I think naturally he would start doing things differently to some degree. Did his health issues play a role in the changes? Maybe so?

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I think Prince's P&M was scaled-down because he simply did not need a large staff for that kind of production. Tours are very costly, and there's no reason to shell out all kinds of money, when it's not necessary.

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I've seen lots of performers who were big in the 80s and 90s, but now they do smaller venues; it's not so uncommon.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Really any and all opinions are possible, because...it is all speculation...but the one thing that does not fit any of the drug theories is Tyka...She new something for 2 years, and said in that first interview she was really o.k. Because she had already done her grieving...before he died. But if she new he was so deep into drugs for 2 years and did nothing, except prepare for his death, then she would be the #1 worst sister on the planet. Tyka's statement does not compute...

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Yes, Tyka's comments are perplexing to a lot of us, still. Even if you have a loved one who is sick and you know their days are numbered, you are still going to grieve when they pass. Her comments are just beyond strange, imo.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

MMJas said:

Read your sentence again. Does it really sound that farfetched to you?
I recently read an interview by this american comedian (will try to find his name) in which he stated that Prince had no friends with him in his last tour, whereas before he used to have many people around. Yes, I believe Prince was addicted, was ashamed for being addicted (blame it on this lousy judgemental society of ours, which he knew all to well), might have taken more cause he simply did not care anymore (who ODs twice in the same week?), was lonely at heart (no wife, no partner, no kids, no close family - see his family now battling for money, etc), was a hermit at heart (reports of him being all by himself at PP abound), and his injuries limited his capacity to perform immensily, i.e. affecting his making a living performing as before, hence the drugs, hence the P&M tour, hence applying his make up himself, hence nobody around him.

Thanks MMJas for emphsizing a reality many here on the Org. are in full-throated denial about; denial, in the words of a sage friend, being 'the strongest human emotion.' Many are so invested in seeing Prince as this genius:musicial lover, businessman...you name it...that they lost track of the real man circa 1985 and willfully chose not to see the creative and physical decline that was playing

out slo-mo in front of our eyes. I'm not saying his struggles with religion, relationships and in the end, drugs, were unusual or other-worldly...but they WERE human. And I don't think many of his fans ever saw him as a human being, and a fragile one at that. I also think this was a big part of his reclusiveness, never being allowed/not knowing how to be a regular human being.

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Why do you keep pushing "we are in denial" here? No one is in denial; speak for yourself.

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Denial is when you have all the FACTS, yet do not believe it's true. We do not have all the facts; therefore, it's not possible for anyone to be in denial about something we do not have any confirmation on.

.....I think what Tyka actually said was: "I knew for 2-years"......whatever that means.

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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

laurarichardson said:

--But who said it was all about drugs. He could have been in some serious pain or dealing with a recurring illness.

Stevie and just about everyone that is responding to this topic, and pretty much all of the media...I know you think there was an underlying illness And I guess I just don't see how people can think it was a simple over dose, on purpose or accident, when his sister said she new he was dying for 2 years

laurarichardson said:

purplerabbithole said:

If we knew what the test results were for, I think it would answer a lot of questions. He sees a doctor who tests him for something or is bringing test results from somewhere and then the next night Prince is dead. What if P suspected that he was rather ill, got some kind of confirmation that he probably was (like maybe doctor basically alluded to the fact that his liver was probably shot) and then P basically said "well, fuck it, I will just not worry about staying on the wagon or being careful about what drugs I take."

Could very well be the case. Could have been illness or continuing pain from joint issues that were not going to be resolved. Why worry about drugs if you are pain and may dealing with worsening health.

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My question is, why would Prince overdose (intentionally) if he knew the doctor was bringing him test results for his blood work the next day? Did the doctor tell him something that he did not want to hear? If so, then why bother asking the doctor to bring the results at all?

cloveringold85 said:

.....I think what Tyka actually said was: "I knew for 2-years"......whatever that means.

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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Pretty much the million dollar question right there. . . .

Bodhitheblackdog said:

cloveringold85 said:

Nothing out of Stevies camp yet?

luv4u said:

moonsister said:

NOTE THE WARNING NOT TO DERAIL THIS THREAD, I HAVE REPORTED YOU TO THE MODERATORS.

Everyone is starting to 'derail' this thread

I know I have strayed off topic and for that I apologize. Big Thanks to the Mods for their patience and compassion when this happens, when the collective grief takes over and manifests itself in a deluge of unanswered questions and laments.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, Tyka's comments are perplexing to a lot of us, still. Even if you have a loved one who is sick and you know their days are numbered, you are still going to grieve when they pass. Her comments are just beyond strange, imo.

She did not say she was not grieving.

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I didn't mean it that way, sorry. What I meant was, she said when she got the call "He's gone" -- she seemed to accept it right away. Even if you know a loved one is terminally ill, you would still be in a state of shock. She said a lot of weird things like......"in two years, you will be where I am now."......meaning her stage of grief.

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My Mother was very sick before she passed in the hospital, but on the day she passed, it was sudden and I was in complete shock. Even if you know someone is going to die soon, you are still never prepared for the moment they are truly gone from this earth. You know what I'm saying?

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Everyone grieves differently. I'm not the only person who found her comments to be odd.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

luv4u said:

Everyone is starting to 'derail' this thread

I know I have strayed off topic and for that I apologize. Big Thanks to the Mods for their patience and compassion when this happens, when the collective grief takes over and manifests itself in a deluge of unanswered questions and laments.

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It happens. It happened in the Mark Brown thread too. Also, the estate thread, LOL

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Sometimes, I am at fault. We don't mean to do it, but things can get heated here sometimes, and then we forget where we are! Hey.....where am I again? LOL

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

moonsister said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

On the today show she said that she knew for 2 years he was done on this earth, so,unlike the fans who were shocked and devistaed, she had to years to prepare herself so she was o.k.

Sketchy tacky and bizarre is what she is.

Yo Moonsister, don't hold back, tell us what you REALLY think!

Maybe because he basically already knew what the results of the test were going to be anyhow (due to a previous test or an x-ray) but the doctor was obligated to officially bring the results regardless.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

purplerabbithole said: Could very well be the case. Could have been illness or continuing pain from joint issues that were not going to be resolved. Why worry about drugs if you are pain and may dealing with worsening health.

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My question is, why would Prince overdose (intentionally) if he knew the doctor was bringing him test results for his blood work the next day? Did the doctor tell him something that he did not want to hear? If so, then why bother asking the doctor to bring the results at all?

She has said other things on her facebook page since that interview that indicate that she is grieving. She and her brother liked to live in a universe of their own devising at times, but it doesn't mean real emotions didn't come through regardless. Maybe, in her sadness after he finally succumbed to his addiction, she just accepted it(and focused on helping fans get through it) but as time went on, the loss became more profound for her...on facebook, she said a few things that indicate his absense was weighing heavier on her as time went on.

Public grieving and private grieving are two different things.

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LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

laurarichardson said:

She did not say she was not grieving.

On the today show she said that she knew for 2 years he was done on this earth, so,unlike the fans who were shocked and devistaed, she had to years to prepare herself so she was o.k.

moonsister said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

On the today show she said that she knew for 2 years he was done on this earth, so,unlike the fans who were shocked and devistaed, she had to years to prepare herself so she was o.k.

Sketchy tacky and bizarre is what she is.

it is wierd, but i conjectured before, that she was advised to say that to take away the reaction to her the days after P died, just really distant, telling fans "ya, he loved y'all too, go home it's raining". I'm sure several of the family members hired people to help them with their public image, the first time i saw the one guy, was it alfred? he looked like he just woke up, and word was that he was in and out of mental hospitals, next time i saw him, he was at some awards show with flashy clothes on. Anyone who thinks that what they do isn't orchestrated is naive. All that said, I don't necessarily believe that Tyka knew for two years that Prince was on his last legs, maybe she knew, maybe she didn't.