databank said:

CMIIW but the only tracks iVault contains that ain't on Work It 2.0 are fake outtakes (i.e. with no Prince involvement), so u don't really need it.

As for Chronic's thread, he clearly asked that no one ever reproduces or uses in a book or online any part of what he's said. Part of me says "we should respect his wish", but on the other hand i'm one of these guys who own a whole bunch of bootlegs when I perfectly know Prince doesn't want us to own anything save what he's officially released, and I'm also one of these people who encourage those uncirculating outtakes owners to share what they have with the world, so what can i say?

In the end Chronic went public and perfectly knew his words would be copied/pasted by some (i personally didn't do it) and could re-emerge here and there even if he said he didn't want this to happen, so it's a personnal ethic choice for every one who owns a copy of the thread to quote it or not.

So I can't tell u what to do

I still think I'll hunt down iVault, if nothing else, for the Get Satisfied outtakes. I love George 2nd only to Prince...

Based on my own instinct, your words & those of squirrelgrease, I chose to delete Chronic's quotes from my posts, I'll leave it to you to decide if you want to delete them from you quotes.

rfan said:

SoulAlive said:

First of all,Prince is never going to present "his side" in matters like this.He'll simply have his lawyers send threatening,harassing letters.That's how he operates.

Secondly,you are forgetting that,while Prince wrote and produced the Family's debut album,the group members were still part of the project too.Those are their voices on the record,those are their images,too.These are human beings we're talking about,not robots.

"what kind of fansite is this"

It certainly isn't a place where fans blindly worship their idol and drink purple Kool-Aid all day long.If that's what you're looking for,go elsewhere.

I am not forgetting about the family, I really don't care about their album or prince involvement

with them that is for them to work out, I am upset about the responce from his fans, that he is always wrong. I don't drink purple kool aid, I just think it is fair to understand there is another

side to the story. I don't blindly follow anybody but GOD.

If you don't care about the group or their album, what on earth are you doing in this thread??!

databank said:

And yes, you are right: Uptown cannot know everything, nor can Princevault.com. I myself will soon create threads on this forum and 2 others in order to ask people to proofread my online discography and check its accuracy, because considering the amount of data to handle, it's likely that I've made some mistakes despite my efforts to be accurate.

The available data on Prince's recording sessions is always evolving... & I'd like to know what the "experts" think of Chronic's confusing statements about Get Satisfied. Or maybe Alan has the answer? (If so, please let us know )

Yes, PLEASE!!

On one hand I'd like to just keep believing I'm right, that I hear Prince all over Hey Man, especially on Get Satisfied, on the other hand, FACTS would be cool!!

[Edited 5/27/11 9:20am]

jone70 said:

databank said:

As for Chronic's thread, he clearly asked that no one ever reproduces or uses in a book or online any part of what he's said. Part of me says "we should respect his wish", but on the other hand i'm one of these guys who own a whole bunch of bootlegs when I perfectly know Prince doesn't want us to own anything save what he's officially released, and I'm also one of these people who encourage those uncirculating outtakes owners to share what they have with the world, so what can i say?

In the end Chronic went public and perfectly knew his words would be copied/pasted by some (i personally didn't do it) and could re-emerge here and there even if he said he didn't want this to happen, so it's a personnal ethic choice for every one who owns a copy of the thread to quote it or not.

So I can't tell u what to do

In the US, copying and reproducing someone else's work (writing, art, music, etc.) without their permission may be copyright infringment (even if the work is not registered with the Copyright office). It's also disrespectful, especially if he explicitly asked that it not be done.

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[Edited 5/27/11 5:51am]

No, no, this was NOT copyright infringement. It was a clearly referenced and credited quote used as reference for a discussion. Chronic has no legal right to prevent this.

THAT SAID, it could be considered disrespectful of his wishes. That is why I deleted the quote after the discussion was complete.

Because I DO respect his wishes.

djThunderfunk said:

jone70 said:

In the US, copying and reproducing someone else's work (writing, art, music, etc.) without their permission may be copyright infringment (even if the work is not registered with the Copyright office). It's also disrespectful, especially if he explicitly asked that it not be done.

.

[Edited 5/27/11 5:51am]

No, no, this was NOT copyright infringement. It was a clearly referenced and credited quote used as reference for a discussion. Chronic has no legal right to prevent this.

THAT SAID, it could be considered disrespectful of his wishes. That is why I deleted the quote after the discussion was complete.

Because I DO respect his wishes.

I said "may" be copyright infringement. It doesn't necessarily matter if it was quoted and/or credited, if it was reproduced without explicit consent of the copyright holder it may be in violation of US copyright laws.

jone70 said:

djThunderfunk said:

No, no, this was NOT copyright infringement. It was a clearly referenced and credited quote used as reference for a discussion. Chronic has no legal right to prevent this.

THAT SAID, it could be considered disrespectful of his wishes. That is why I deleted the quote after the discussion was complete.

Because I DO respect his wishes.

I said "may" be copyright infringement. It doesn't necessarily matter if it was quoted and/or credited, if it was reproduced without explicit consent of the copyright holder it may be in violation of US copyright laws.

It's not.

Legally it's fair use.

This is clearly a case of respect, not of legality.

And, the point is moot considering I've already deleted the quotes and I expect databank probably will as well.

[Edited 5/27/11 9:59am]

rfan said:

I am so upset with all of you, what kind of fan site is this. These people come on here and give one side of a story, and you totally agree with them, with out even hearing Prince side. Then you all criticized anyone who disagrees with you. This is my first time replying on this site, I simply don't understand you. Why is Prince wrong for wanting to use any images he wants of a band he created in the first place, why on earth would he have to get permission from the family to use his songs. Don't you see how crazy that sounds. What kind of fan site is this, I am so ashamed of all of you. And I don't care how many of you attack me for having a different opinion than you.

Your first post, and the last one I'll be reading.

Man, I wish I had the luxury of free time to constantly write long, ranting posts on a music thread. Guess some of us aren't so lucky, we're too busy with little things like earning a paycheck and stuff. Seriously folks, this thread is at least 5 pages too long.

Zannaloaf said:

rfan said:

I am so upset with all of you, what kind of fan site is this. These people come on here and give one side of a story, and you totally agree with them, with out even hearing Prince side. Then you all criticized anyone who disagrees with you. This is my first time replying on this site, I simply don't understand you. Why is Prince wrong for wanting to use any images he wants of a band he created in the first place, why on earth would he have to get permission from the family to use his songs. Don't you see how crazy that sounds. What kind of fan site is this, I am so ashamed of all of you. And I don't care how many of you attack me for having a different opinion than you.

It's fine to support Prince on a fan site. It's fine to knock Prince on a fan site.

BUT the stuff you are saying has ZERO to do with the issues here.

No one wants to stop him from using images.

He doesn't have to get permission to use songs.

WHO has said ANY of what you are saying?

Can I be ashamed that a fan hops into a thread without a CLUE of what they are talking about? At least have some idea of what the issue is if you are going to tell people they sound crazy they are.

I'm not attacking you for your opinion in case you are wondering. I am asking that you have some idea of what the conversation is before posting.

I do know what I am saying, here is a quote from Neil, "PRN/Paisley Park or whomever the parent company is have continued to exploit the band's image, voice etc" and don't tell me I don't have a clue about what I am saying, without looking up your facts. It's no use, this is the way this site is and it's never gonna change,I don't always agree with Prince or the things he does, but name calling and the hateful things that are said is disturbing. That's my opinion. Attack all you want.

squirrelgrease said:

rfan said:

I am so upset with all of you, what kind of fan site is this. These people come on here and give one side of a story, and you totally agree with them, with out even hearing Prince side. Then you all criticized anyone who disagrees with you. This is my first time replying on this site, I simply don't understand you. Why is Prince wrong for wanting to use any images he wants of a band he created in the first place, why on earth would he have to get permission from the family to use his songs. Don't you see how crazy that sounds. What kind of fan site is this, I am so ashamed of all of you. And I don't care how many of you attack me for having a different opinion than you.

Your first post, and the last one I'll be reading.

I am ok with that.

rfan said:

squirrelgrease said:

Your first post, and the last one I'll be reading.

I am ok with that.

You shouldn't be okay with that. Squirrelgrease is one of the nicest and most knowledgeable people on the org. Pissing him off in your first post is quite an accomplishment.

electricberet said:

rfan said:

I am ok with that.

You shouldn't be okay with that. Squirrelgrease is one of the nicest and most knowledgeable people on the org. Pissing him off in your first post is quite an accomplishment.

Pissing him off simply because I have a different opinion than him. Nothing I can do about that, I will continue to express my opinion even if it is different from yours. I have a right to my thoughts and to express them just like you.

rfan said:

electricberet said:

You shouldn't be okay with that. Squirrelgrease is one of the nicest and most knowledgeable people on the org. Pissing him off in your first post is quite an accomplishment.

Pissing him off simply because I have a different opinion than him. Nothing I can do about that, I will continue to express my opinion even if it is different from yours. I have a right to my thoughts and to express them just like you.

Of course you have a right to your thoughts and to express them. Just like I have a right to walk into a party that I've been invited to and tell everyone there that they're a bunch of jerks and they're stupid to have the party in the first place. Have fun.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

rfan said:

I am not forgetting about the family, I really don't care about their album or prince involvement

with them that is for them to work out, I am upset about the responce from his fans, that he is always wrong. I don't drink purple kool aid, I just think it is fair to understand there is another

side to the story. I don't blindly follow anybody but GOD.

If you don't care about the group or their album, what on earth are you doing in this thread??!

I read posts that look interesting, I have that right. look we don't agree on this issue and that's ok, I just have a problem with the negative tone on this site, I just think people can agree to disagree, not tear people down. I have never been on a fan site that tears down the performer like this. This is my opinion of course. I guess you don't feel like that is what you are doing. We agree to disagree.

electricberet said:

rfan said:

Pissing him off simply because I have a different opinion than him. Nothing I can do about that, I will continue to express my opinion even if it is different from yours. I have a right to my thoughts and to express them just like you.

Of course you have a right to your thoughts and to express them. Just like I have a right to walk into a party that I've been invited to and tell everyone there that they're a bunch of jerks and they're stupid to have the party in the first place. Have fun.

Uncalled for, I mean really I did not call you any names. Do we really have to go there, simply because I have a different opinion than you, now I am a jerk? I have not said anything bad about anyone who has respond to my post, I would appreciate the same respect.

rfan said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

If you don't care about the group or their album, what on earth are you doing in this thread??!

I read posts that look interesting, I have that right. look we don't agree on this issue and that's ok, I just have a problem with the negative tone on this site, I just think people can agree to disagree, not tear people down. I have never been on a fan site that tears down the performer like this. This is my opinion of course. I guess you don't feel like that is what you are doing. We agree to disagree.

Normally, I wouldn't bother responding to your post. But you haven't been here that long and you seem to be generally confused as to why people are having a negative response to your posts in particular and to speak to your perception of the "negative tone" of this site.

Here's the deal. When you have an artist that's been around as long as Prince has had the fortune to, you end up having fans of all ages. Not just young fans that idolize everything you do, but even older fans that have been around the block a few times.

Throw in Prince's love/hate relationship with his fanbase (multiple perceived ripoffs via websites, the lawsuits over YouTube and even the ones involving this particular website, etc.) and you get a fanbase that is somewhat unique in the fact that we are all fans of his music (and even then, he's been around long enough that we all don't agree on even which period we're fans of) but not necessarily fans of the man.

That's part of what I like to call "The Eternal Debate" here on The Org. You see some in here believe that to be a fan of an artist means that you never disagree with that artist on anything. There are some that think that this would be a better place if there was never anything negative ever posted about Prince. Actually, this site is a hell of a lot closer to that than it was. Which in my mind is why this place has suffered in recent years.

You used to be able to have healthy, yet respectful debates in here. Sure, sometimes they got spirited but it was all coming from a mutual place. Our love of Prince music. In my opinion this place is boring for the most part now, save the occasional threads like this one. And then you saw what happened. The internet egos that have infected this place with their blind rhetoric in favor of their purple liege came out in full force to attack and defend his honour.

I've been a Prince fan since i was 13 years old. My whole life. Back when he just belonged to the black community. I've been to every tour in Detroit since Controversy. Yes, i was even at the highly bootlegged birthday concert in Detroit at Cobo Hall in '86. I hate The Gold Experience and think that Graffiti Bridge was one of the worst films in cinematic history. I think Prince is a musical genius and probably one of the worst businessmen i've ever seen. You see, i'm a fan of the music and the artist but not necessarily the man.

I'd never want to meet him. When i was younger I used to dream about what that would be like. Now i'm older and i know better.

Being a Prince fan is a complex thing. Not unlike the man himself, I imagine. I don't think that if i talk about his lack of business acumen in regards to websites that it "hurts" him. I'm pretty sure he doesn't care what I think about that. So coming to a place like this and talking about it with other like minded individuals should be okay. It's not an "attack" against Prince. It's people's opinions about some of his decisions. And we don't bring them up so he'll get pissed off and write about it in a song, or in the hope that he'll show up here one day and "set us straight" and make us "internet famous", it's just what we think. And you can be free to disagree. And we can debate it. But the conversation itself isn't a bad thing. At least it shouldn't be.

ButterscotchPimp said:

rfan said:

I read posts that look interesting, I have that right. look we don't agree on this issue and that's ok, I just have a problem with the negative tone on this site, I just think people can agree to disagree, not tear people down. I have never been on a fan site that tears down the performer like this. This is my opinion of course. I guess you don't feel like that is what you are doing. We agree to disagree.

Normally, I wouldn't bother responding to your post. But you haven't been here that long and you seem to be generally confused as to why people are having a negative response to your posts in particular and to speak to your perception of the "negative tone" of this site.

Here's the deal. When you have an artist that's been around as long as Prince has had the fortune to, you end up having fans of all ages. Not just young fans that idolize everything you do, but even older fans that have been around the block a few times.

Throw in Prince's love/hate relationship with his fanbase (multiple perceived ripoffs via websites, the lawsuits over YouTube and even the ones involving this particular website, etc.) and you get a fanbase that is somewhat unique in the fact that we are all fans of his music (and even then, he's been around long enough that we all don't agree on even which period we're fans of) but not necessarily fans of the man.

That's part of what I like to call "The Eternal Debate" here on The Org. You see some in here believe that to be a fan of an artist means that you never disagree with that artist on anything. There are some that think that this would be a better place if there was never anything negative ever posted about Prince. Actually, this site is a hell of a lot closer to that than it was. Which in my mind is why this place has suffered in recent years.

You used to be able to have healthy, yet respectful debates in here. Sure, sometimes they got spirited but it was all coming from a mutual place. Our love of Prince music. In my opinion this place is boring for the most part now, save the occasional threads like this one. And then you saw what happened. The internet egos that have infected this place with their blind rhetoric in favor of their purple liege came out in full force to attack and defend his honour.

I've been a Prince fan since i was 13 years old. My whole life. Back when he just belonged to the black community. I've been to every tour in Detroit since Controversy. Yes, i was even at the highly bootlegged birthday concert in Detroit at Cobo Hall in '86. I hate The Gold Experience and think that Graffiti Bridge was one of the worst films in cinematic history. I think Prince is a musical genius and probably one of the worst businessmen i've ever seen. You see, i'm a fan of the music and the artist but not necessarily the man.

I'd never want to meet him. When i was younger I used to dream about what that would be like. Now i'm older and i know better.

Being a Prince fan is a complex thing. Not unlike the man himself, I imagine. I don't think that if i talk about his lack of business acumen in regards to websites that it "hurts" him. I'm pretty sure he doesn't care what I think about that. So coming to a place like this and talking about it with other like minded individuals should be okay. It's not an "attack" against Prince. It's people's opinions about some of his decisions. And we don't bring them up so he'll get pissed off and write about it in a song, or in the hope that he'll show up here one day and "set us straight" and make us "internet famous", it's just what we think. And you can be free to disagree. And we can debate it. But the conversation itself isn't a bad thing. At least it shouldn't be.

rfan said:

electricberet said:

Of course you have a right to your thoughts and to express them. Just like I have a right to walk into a party that I've been invited to and tell everyone there that they're a bunch of jerks and they're stupid to have the party in the first place. Have fun.

Uncalled for, I mean really I did not call you any names. Do we really have to go there, simply because I have a different opinion than you, now I am a jerk? I have not said anything bad about anyone who has respond to my post, I would appreciate the same respect.

He wasn't calling you a jerk. You have misinterpreted his statement.

While he has the right to do so, he doesn't because he knows better and is, presumably, a respectable person. You may have had the right to come in and shove your shit around, but that doesn't mean you should've.

rfan said:

Zannaloaf said:

It's fine to support Prince on a fan site. It's fine to knock Prince on a fan site.

BUT the stuff you are saying has ZERO to do with the issues here.

No one wants to stop him from using images.

He doesn't have to get permission to use songs.

WHO has said ANY of what you are saying?

Can I be ashamed that a fan hops into a thread without a CLUE of what they are talking about? At least have some idea of what the issue is if you are going to tell people they sound crazy they are.

I'm not attacking you for your opinion in case you are wondering. I am asking that you have some idea of what the conversation is before posting.

I do know what I am saying, here is a quote from Neil, "PRN/Paisley Park or whomever the parent company is have continued to exploit the band's image, voice etc" and don't tell me I don't have a clue about what I am saying, without looking up your facts. It's no use, this is the way this site is and it's never gonna change,I don't always agree with Prince or the things he does, but name calling and the hateful things that are said is disturbing. That's my opinion. Attack all you want.

yeah- you got no clue. the FULL text reads: "Business was not handled correctly. Paisley Park/Warner issued The Family album without a finalized contract signed by the whole band. PRN/Paisley Park or whomever the parent company is have continued to exploit the band’s image, voice etc with the full knowledge that they is doing so without the performer’s permission." If that is a fact it merely says Prince does not have a finished contract. The BIG issue is the use of the name and Prince's lack of communication with the band from what I have read. AND the fact that they have chosen NOT to use the name. So your cherry picking a semi quote from 3 sentences to make some point that is not even the main issue. If you have to work that hard to create a stir perhaps you need to rethink your anger at this site. So there are your "facts". I have not attacked you or called you or anyone else any names, but you are rather big on inviting people to do so. As if to fulfill your own view of the org.

Zannaloaf said:

rfan said:

I do know what I am saying, here is a quote from Neil, "PRN/Paisley Park or whomever the parent company is have continued to exploit the band's image, voice etc" and don't tell me I don't have a clue about what I am saying, without looking up your facts. It's no use, this is the way this site is and it's never gonna change,I don't always agree with Prince or the things he does, but name calling and the hateful things that are said is disturbing. That's my opinion. Attack all you want.

yeah- you got no clue. the FULL text reads: "Business was not handled correctly. Paisley Park/Warner issued The Family album without a finalized contract signed by the whole band. PRN/Paisley Park or whomever the parent company is have continued to exploit the band’s image, voice etc with the full knowledge that they is doing so without the performer’s permission." If that is a fact it merely says Prince does not have a finished contract. The BIG issue is the use of the name and Prince's lack of communication with the band from what I have read. AND the fact that they have chosen NOT to use the name. So your cherry picking a semi quote from 3 sentences to make some point that is not even the main issue. If you have to work that hard to create a stir perhaps you need to rethink your anger at this site. So there are your "facts". I have not attacked you or called you or anyone else any names, but you are rather big on inviting people to do so. As if to fulfill your own view of the org.

Spinlight said:

rfan said:

Uncalled for, I mean really I did not call you any names. Do we really have to go there, simply because I have a different opinion than you, now I am a jerk? I have not said anything bad about anyone who has respond to my post, I would appreciate the same respect.

He wasn't calling you a jerk. You have misinterpreted his statement.

While he has the right to do so, he doesn't because he knows better and is, presumably, a respectable person. You may have had the right to come in and shove your shit around, but that doesn't mean you should've.

I am not shoving anything around, Why I am shoving something around because I have a different opinion than you. Fyi, I am also a respectable person, I don't think I have said anything in any of my posts to imply anything else. I simply think most people took what was said by Neil and Alan as truth, without knowing the other side. I think Fans should be able to have a conversation about the artist with out all the mean sprited comments.

djThunderfunk said:

ButterscotchPimp said:

Normally, I wouldn't bother responding to your post. But you haven't been here that long and you seem to be generally confused as to why people are having a negative response to your posts in particular and to speak to your perception of the "negative tone" of this site.

Here's the deal. When you have an artist that's been around as long as Prince has had the fortune to, you end up having fans of all ages. Not just young fans that idolize everything you do, but even older fans that have been around the block a few times.

Throw in Prince's love/hate relationship with his fanbase (multiple perceived ripoffs via websites, the lawsuits over YouTube and even the ones involving this particular website, etc.) and you get a fanbase that is somewhat unique in the fact that we are all fans of his music (and even then, he's been around long enough that we all don't agree on even which period we're fans of) but not necessarily fans of the man.

That's part of what I like to call "The Eternal Debate" here on The Org. You see some in here believe that to be a fan of an artist means that you never disagree with that artist on anything. There are some that think that this would be a better place if there was never anything negative ever posted about Prince. Actually, this site is a hell of a lot closer to that than it was. Which in my mind is why this place has suffered in recent years.

You used to be able to have healthy, yet respectful debates in here. Sure, sometimes they got spirited but it was all coming from a mutual place. Our love of Prince music. In my opinion this place is boring for the most part now, save the occasional threads like this one. And then you saw what happened. The internet egos that have infected this place with their blind rhetoric in favor of their purple liege came out in full force to attack and defend his honour.

I've been a Prince fan since i was 13 years old. My whole life. Back when he just belonged to the black community. I've been to every tour in Detroit since Controversy. Yes, i was even at the highly bootlegged birthday concert in Detroit at Cobo Hall in '86. I hate The Gold Experience and think that Graffiti Bridge was one of the worst films in cinematic history. I think Prince is a musical genius and probably one of the worst businessmen i've ever seen. You see, i'm a fan of the music and the artist but not necessarily the man.

I'd never want to meet him. When i was younger I used to dream about what that would be like. Now i'm older and i know better.

Being a Prince fan is a complex thing. Not unlike the man himself, I imagine. I don't think that if i talk about his lack of business acumen in regards to websites that it "hurts" him. I'm pretty sure he doesn't care what I think about that. So coming to a place like this and talking about it with other like minded individuals should be okay. It's not an "attack" against Prince. It's people's opinions about some of his decisions. And we don't bring them up so he'll get pissed off and write about it in a song, or in the hope that he'll show up here one day and "set us straight" and make us "internet famous", it's just what we think. And you can be free to disagree. And we can debate it. But the conversation itself isn't a bad thing. At least it shouldn't be.

THANk YOU!!! How nice it was to read your post with out all the meanness. Thank you for taking the time to help me understand things better, I appreciate that. I have been a Prince fan for about 20 years, I don't always agree with him, and have been upset with somethings he has done in the past. I just think we could think differently on a subject about Prince and still have a constructive conversation. Again thank you so much, I think I understand better now. All I want to do is go some where and discuss his music!!

djThunderfunk said:

jone70 said:

In the US, copying and reproducing someone else's work (writing, art, music, etc.) without their permission may be copyright infringment (even if the work is not registered with the Copyright office). It's also disrespectful, especially if he explicitly asked that it not be done.

.

[Edited 5/27/11 5:51am]

No, no, this was NOT copyright infringement. It was a clearly referenced and credited quote used as reference for a discussion. Chronic has no legal right to prevent this.

THAT SAID, it could be considered disrespectful of his wishes. That is why I deleted the quote after the discussion was complete.

Because I DO respect his wishes.

I think that quoting someone quoting someone else, while that someone doesn't want to be quoted quoting someone else and this someone else himself doesn't want to be quoted by anyone at all would really be too bad for my karma, so I've decided to delete my quote of you quoting ChronicFreeze.

May this help me reincarnate on a better place

[Edited 5/28/11 4:16am]

databank said:

djThunderfunk said:

No, no, this was NOT copyright infringement. It was a clearly referenced and credited quote used as reference for a discussion. Chronic has no legal right to prevent this.

THAT SAID, it could be considered disrespectful of his wishes. That is why I deleted the quote after the discussion was complete.

Because I DO respect his wishes.

I think that quoting someone quoting someone else, while that someone doesn't want to be quoted quoting someone else and this someone else himself doesn't want to be quoted by anyone at all would really be too bad for my karma, so I've decided to delete my quote of you quoting ChronicFreeze.

May this help me reincarnate on a better place

[Edited 5/28/11 4:16am]

The whole thread that was deleted from prince.org is available on other websites, in Google's cache, etc., so that doesn't really matter.

rfan said:

Spinlight said:

He wasn't calling you a jerk. You have misinterpreted his statement.

While he has the right to do so, he doesn't because he knows better and is, presumably, a respectable person. You may have had the right to come in and shove your shit around, but that doesn't mean you should've.

I am not shoving anything around, Why I am shoving something around because I have a different opinion than you. Fyi, I am also a respectable person, I don't think I have said anything in any of my posts to imply anything else. I simply think most people took what was said by Neil and Alan as truth, without knowing the other side. I think Fans should be able to have a conversation about the artist with out all the mean sprited comments.

I sent you an orgnote giving you my perspective if you care to read it. In the meantime, perhaps this thread would be more to your taste:

http://prince.org/msg/7/359904

databank said:

djThunderfunk said:

No, no, this was NOT copyright infringement. It was a clearly referenced and credited quote used as reference for a discussion. Chronic has no legal right to prevent this.

THAT SAID, it could be considered disrespectful of his wishes. That is why I deleted the quote after the discussion was complete.

Because I DO respect his wishes.

I think that quoting someone quoting someone else, while that someone doesn't want to be quoted quoting someone else and this someone else himself doesn't want to be quoted by anyone at all would really be too bad for my karma, so I've decided to delete my quote of you quoting ChronicFreeze.

May this help me reincarnate on a better place

[Edited 5/28/11 4:16am]

I just love the way you put that...

databank said:

djThunderfunk said:

No, no, this was NOT copyright infringement. It was a clearly referenced and credited quote used as reference for a discussion. Chronic has no legal right to prevent this.

THAT SAID, it could be considered disrespectful of his wishes. That is why I deleted the quote after the discussion was complete.

Because I DO respect his wishes.

I think that quoting someone quoting someone else, while that someone doesn't want to be quoted quoting someone else and this someone else himself doesn't want to be quoted by anyone at all would really be too bad for my karma, so I've decided to delete my quote of you quoting ChronicFreeze.

May this help me reincarnate on a better place

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I'm going 2 "QUOTE" that.

squirrelgrease said:

electricberet said:

rfan said:

I am not shoving anything around, Why I am shoving something around because I have a different opinion than you. Fyi, I am also a respectable person, I don't think I have said anything in any of my posts to imply anything else. I simply think most people took what was said by Neil and Alan as truth, without knowing the other side. I think Fans should be able to have a conversation about the artist with out all the mean sprited comments.

I sent you an orgnote giving you my perspective if you care to read it. In the meantime, perhaps this thread would be more to your taste:

http://prince.org/msg/7/359904

It was not, it was just mean, but I sent you an org note as well. I do hope this cleans up my prespective, if you care.

rfan said:

I am so upset with all of you, what kind of fan site is this. These people come on here and give one side of a story, and you totally agree with them, with out even hearing Prince side. Then you all criticized anyone who disagrees with you. This is my first time replying on this site, I simply don't understand you. Why is Prince wrong for wanting to use any images he wants of a band he created in the first place, why on earth would he have to get permission from the family to use his songs. Don't you see how crazy that sounds. What kind of fan site is this, I am so ashamed of all of you. And I don't care how many of you attack me for having a different opinion than you.

My goodness you took this post to heart, not sure that is good or bad. I have had many responses to this post, I at first did not understand the anger. However a lot of you have sent some really good constructive feedback, (org notes) thanks to those who took the time to help me understand the anger, with out being angry. Look it's seem you all think I am attacking your admiration for Prince, I guess it was not fair to group everyone in the same vein. I was only speaking to those who only looked at one side of the story, and then had extremely negative things to say based on one side. Please simply because I asked for us to remember Prince has a side does not mean I am a Prince fanatic. Prince probably will not give his side, I understand that. Don't mean he does not have one. It is just fair to remember we only heard one side, and we don't have to agree on this. However I wish we would not start attacking each other. I would like to understand more about the site as time goes on. I hope I get a better prospective of it. Thanks!!