alexnvrmnd777 said:

HonestMan13 said:

I've said this before about Prince sharing the stage. When it was Wendy & Lisa or any other scantily clad protege nobody cared. I think the problem people have with Shelby is she's not some 90 pound nymphet who has to be half naked to belong on stage. She is a real woman with real talent and it intimidates Princes fans. We've all become used to seeing his women as disposable when the next project begins but Shelby has lasted for quite some time now. Tamar for all of her considerable vocal ability didn't last long. I think Tamar got accepted because she's a sexy younger woman, something the masses can accept easily(it also helped that she could actually sing). Princeobviously has chosen to put substance over style with his choice of back up singers now. the three ladies are capable vocalists all with their own fans and followings. Prince sees them as equals to share his stage and be forefront at the shows. Maybe we should let him decide who get to shine on his stage while we just sit back and enjoy the show.

So please explain people loving the hell out of Boni or Rosie? And Wendy or Lisa never got the stage time that Shelby gets, so that comparison is dead right there. Your argument's invalid just based off of these two points alone.

Come to think of it, actually Wendy got a lot of stage time. Wendy was like his right-hand person during many of his concerts, during her time in his band, and I don't know who could have missed that. At least moreso than the other members of the band, back in the day. Even in the Purple Rain movie she had quite the speaking parts, spotlighting as one of the front persons in his band.

2elijah said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

So please explain people loving the hell out of Boni or Rosie? And Wendy or Lisa never got the stage time that Shelby gets, so that comparison is dead right there. Your argument's invalid just based off of these two points alone.

Come to think of it, actually Wendy got a lot of stage time. Wendy was like his right-hand person during many of his concerts, during her time in his band, and I don't know who could have missed that. At least moreso than the other members of the band, back in the day. Even in the Purple Rain movie she had quite the speaking parts, spotlighting as one of the front persons in his band.

Exactly. Wendy had more lines in Purple Rain than any other member of the Revolution and she had just became a member prior to shooting the film. Also during the Parade Tour "I Wonder U" was performed regularly by Wendy & Lisa while Prince was off stage. The aborted Dream Factory prominently featured Wendy & Lisa and Sussanah on vocals more than any CD prior. Shelby to my recollection has only had lead on "Chelsea Rogers" from Planet Earth. Nobody was having such strong reactions about Prince letting Wendy & Lisa shine back in 84 - 86 so why is it an issue now with Shelby? Heck Wendy & Lisa even both had songs named after them (Lisa & Little Girl Wendy's Parade).

2elijah said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

So please explain people loving the hell out of Boni or Rosie? And Wendy or Lisa never got the stage time that Shelby gets, so that comparison is dead right there. Your argument's invalid just based off of these two points alone.

Come to think of it, actually Wendy got a lot of stage time. Wendy was like his right-hand person during many of his concerts, during her time in his band, and I don't know who could have missed that. At least moreso than the other members of the band, back in the day. Even in the Purple Rain movie she had quite the speaking parts, spotlighting as one of the front persons in his band.

The substanial parts she got in the movie have perpetuated the overstatement of her relevance through the years. People actually look at Purple Rain as autobiographical and transferred the Wendy and Lisa in the film to real life. THat is why you can still find some sadly misinformed who will tell you they had something to do with writing Purple Rain.

Her role in concerts was not like the featured status that SHelby enjoys now.

purplenuts said:

2elijah said:

Come to think of it, actually Wendy got a lot of stage time. Wendy was like his right-hand person during many of his concerts, during her time in his band, and I don't know who could have missed that. At least moreso than the other members of the band, back in the day. Even in the Purple Rain movie she had quite the speaking parts, spotlighting as one of the front persons in his band.

The substanial parts she got in the movie have perpetuated the overstatement of her relevance through the years. People actually look at Purple Rain as autobiographical and transferred the Wendy and Lisa in the film to real life. THat is why you can still find some sadly misinformed who will tell you they had something to do with writing Purple Rain.

Her role in concerts was not like the featured status that SHelby enjoys now.

I agree and that is why I feel that W&L and the other band members that were given the opportunity to act in the "Purple Rain" movie, will always be associated more with Prince over the years as band members,and that is probably why many fans can't shake them off, as not being part of his band in present day. I still stand by my opinion that a lot of light was shined on Wendy, when she was part of his band. Not all the band members at that time, were seen like his right-hand person during that era on stage, like Wendy.

W&L contributions to that Prince era, of course are well appreciated by many, but there was never a lifetime contract that said they would be permanent band members throughout his entire music career. Musicians/artists move on, change band members as Prince has done before and after W&L were part of his band. That era with Prince was then, and this is now, and it won't be the first time musicians have showcased/or collaborated with other artists. I remember when John Legend was pretty much introduced through Kanye West, and now John is standing on his own.

Bottom line, case and point, if Prince is happy with Shelby being part of his band, and giving her the lead vocals at times during the performance, then it is quite obvious, whether some fans have a problem with that or not, that he is the one calling the shots, and happy with his decision in giving her that role and opportunity to do so. It is what it is, and only Prince will have the final say as to how long she or any other singer/musician(s)/artist(s) will be part of his band, and how or who he chooses to shed the light on them during those performances. It's nice to see he's showcasing real talent, as all 3 female singers in his band possess.

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2elijah said:

purplenuts said:

The substanial parts she got in the movie have perpetuated the overstatement of her relevance through the years. People actually look at Purple Rain as autobiographical and transferred the Wendy and Lisa in the film to real life. THat is why you can still find some sadly misinformed who will tell you they had something to do with writing Purple Rain.

Her role in concerts was not like the featured status that SHelby enjoys now.

I agree and that is why I feel that W&L and the other band members that were given the opportunity to act in the "Purple Rain" movie, will always be associated more with Prince over the years as band members,and that is probably why many fans can't shake them off, as not being part of his band in present day. I still stand by my opinion that a lot of light was shined on Wendy, when she was part of his band. Not all the band members at that time, were seen like his right-hand person during that era on stage, like Wendy.

W&L contributions to that Prince era, of course are well appreciated by many, but there was never a lifetime contract that said they would be permanent band members throughout his entire music career. Musicians/artists move on, change band members as Prince has done before and after W&L were part of his band. That era with Prince was then, and this is now, and it won't be the first time musicians have showcased/or collaborated with other artists. I remember when John Legend was pretty much introduced through Kanye West, and now John is standing on his own.

Bottom line, case and point, if Prince is happy with Shelby being part of his band, and giving her the lead vocals at times during the performance, then it is quite obvious, whether some fans have a problem with that or not, that he is the one calling the shots, and happy with his decision in giving her that role and opportunity to do so. It is what it is, and only Prince will have the final say as to how long she or any other singer/musician(s)/artist(s) will be part of his band, and how or who he chooses to shed the light on them during those performances. It's nice to see he's showcasing real talent, as all 3 female singers in his band possess.

[Edited 4/20/11 12:42pm]

But surely you recognise the right that we have to say we find Shelby, or other band members, crap??

purplenuts said:

2elijah said:

Come to think of it, actually Wendy got a lot of stage time. Wendy was like his right-hand person during many of his concerts, during her time in his band, and I don't know who could have missed that. At least moreso than the other members of the band, back in the day. Even in the Purple Rain movie she had quite the speaking parts, spotlighting as one of the front persons in his band.

The substanial parts she got in the movie have perpetuated the overstatement of her relevance through the years. People actually look at Purple Rain as autobiographical and transferred the Wendy and Lisa in the film to real life. THat is why you can still find some sadly misinformed who will tell you they had something to do with writing Purple Rain.

Her role in concerts was not like the featured status that SHelby enjoys now.

im so tired of the wendy and lisa importance issue there were hired hands prince biggest hits they had nothing 2 do with them so how important are they really? i have never heard any other artist being dogged the way prince is over side pieces

Efan said:

I love her. When she comes on, I'm happy. Same thing as when he turns the spotlight on Sheila.

Also, people who use "eye" for "I" should burn in hell.

cbarnes3121 said:

purplenuts said:

The substanial parts she got in the movie have perpetuated the overstatement of her relevance through the years. People actually look at Purple Rain as autobiographical and transferred the Wendy and Lisa in the film to real life. THat is why you can still find some sadly misinformed who will tell you they had something to do with writing Purple Rain.

Her role in concerts was not like the featured status that SHelby enjoys now.

im so tired of the wendy and lisa importance issue there were hired hands prince biggest hits they had nothing 2 do with them so how important are they really? i have never heard any other artist being dogged the way prince is over side pieces

But its because, like a few observant people have said because of the movie "Purple Rain". People think that it was really Prince's life & Wendy & Lisa's presence was so strong in that movie. Down to Wendy giving Prince brain on the stage floor...

eireboy34 said:

2elijah said:

I agree and that is why I feel that W&L and the other band members that were given the opportunity to act in the "Purple Rain" movie, will always be associated more with Prince over the years as band members,and that is probably why many fans can't shake them off, as not being part of his band in present day. I still stand by my opinion that a lot of light was shined on Wendy, when she was part of his band. Not all the band members at that time, were seen like his right-hand person during that era on stage, like Wendy.

W&L contributions to that Prince era, of course are well appreciated by many, but there was never a lifetime contract that said they would be permanent band members throughout his entire music career. Musicians/artists move on, change band members as Prince has done before and after W&L were part of his band. That era with Prince was then, and this is now, and it won't be the first time musicians have showcased/or collaborated with other artists. I remember when John Legend was pretty much introduced through Kanye West, and now John is standing on his own.

Bottom line, case and point, if Prince is happy with Shelby being part of his band, and giving her the lead vocals at times during the performance, then it is quite obvious, whether some fans have a problem with that or not, that he is the one calling the shots, and happy with his decision in giving her that role and opportunity to do so. It is what it is, and only Prince will have the final say as to how long she or any other singer/musician(s)/artist(s) will be part of his band, and how or who he chooses to shed the light on them during those performances. It's nice to see he's showcasing real talent, as all 3 female singers in his band possess.

[Edited 4/20/11 12:42pm]

But surely you recognise the right that we have to say we find Shelby, or other band members, crap??

You can feel the way you want about any of his band members, that's your choice, but "surely you recognize.." that regardless, at the end of the day, it's still Prince calling the shots, and making the first and final decision, as to which musicians/artists he chooses to perform in his band or on stage with him. You'll be fine.

[Edited 4/20/11 21:07pm]

2elijah said:

eireboy34 said:

But surely you recognise the right that we have to say we find Shelby, or other band members, crap??

You can feel the way you want about any of his band members, that's your choice, but "surely you recognize.." that regardless, at the end of the day, it's still Prince calling the shots, and making the first and final decision, as to which musicians/artists he chooses to perform in his band or on stage with him. You'll be fine.

[Edited 4/20/11 21:07pm]

I do recognize that!

Bur Shelby has outstayed her welcome.

I like Shelby, I think she has a great voice and great stage presence. I have only been to one Prince concert, and I do not remeber her singing more than two songs. Singing lead while Prince takes a break, grabs a sip a water, and changes his warbdrobe is not stealing the show.

Of the concerts I have seen from different artist, musical interludes are a staple the show. Some artist have their bands play a number, Prince uses this time to showcase Shelby, I do not know what the big fuss is about.

If you are at the concert and Shelby is showcased during the interlude and she is not you cup of tea, then use that time to go to the bathroom or grab a bite to eat. Problem solved.

HonestMan13 said:

Nobody was having such strong reactions about Prince letting Wendy & Lisa shine back in 84 - 86 so why is it an issue now with Shelby?

You know why.

eireboy34 said:

2elijah said:

You can feel the way you want about any of his band members, that's your choice, but "surely you recognize.." that regardless, at the end of the day, it's still Prince calling the shots, and making the first and final decision, as to which musicians/artists he chooses to perform in his band or on stage with him. You'll be fine.

[Edited 4/20/11 21:07pm]

I do recognize that!

Bur Shelby has outstayed her welcome.

I'll tell you what you fail to recognize... that you don't call the shots as to who Prince hires in his band. Like I said though, you'll be alright.

[Edited 4/21/11 19:00pm]

Shelby J is alright with me. U go girl.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

cbarnes3121 said:

im so tired of the wendy and lisa importance issue there were hired hands prince biggest hits they had nothing 2 do with them so how important are they really? i have never heard any other artist being dogged the way prince is over side pieces

But its because, like a few observant people have said because of the movie "Purple Rain". People think that it was really Prince's life & Wendy & Lisa's presence was so strong in that movie. Down to Wendy giving Prince brain on the stage floor...

wendy told me to tell you to observe how she was up on that stage and u werent and now shelby is and u still not i told her girl dont be cruel she said child boo i made my place in history this chic just wanna be me u heard me !!!

cbarnes3121 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

But its because, like a few observant people have said because of the movie "Purple Rain". People think that it was really Prince's life & Wendy & Lisa's presence was so strong in that movie. Down to Wendy giving Prince brain on the stage floor...

wendy told me to tell you to observe how she was up on that stage and u werent and now shelby is and u still not i told her girl dont be cruel she said child boo i made my place in history this chic just wanna be me u heard me !!!

Huh?

If you met Shelby, you would feel different.

I met her in Vegas while walking through the Rio and she stopped to talk to me and was really nice. I mean really nice and appreciative. She had hair then, or at least a weave.

And imagine if you were a singer, and he asked you to sing with him and go on tour. Would you?

Yes, you would.

That is all she is doing.

But I agree with you, she is a little annoying but maybe Prince is giving her control over some things. She needs a wig though because she looks like she just walked off the Starship Enterprise or something.

HonestMan13 said:

2elijah said:

Come to think of it, actually Wendy got a lot of stage time. Wendy was like his right-hand person during many of his concerts, during her time in his band, and I don't know who could have missed that. At least moreso than the other members of the band, back in the day. Even in the Purple Rain movie she had quite the speaking parts, spotlighting as one of the front persons in his band.

Exactly. Wendy had more lines in Purple Rain than any other member of the Revolution and she had just became a member prior to shooting the film. Also during the Parade Tour "I Wonder U" was performed regularly by Wendy & Lisa while Prince was off stage. The aborted Dream Factory prominently featured Wendy & Lisa and Sussanah on vocals more than any CD prior. Shelby to my recollection has only had lead on "Chelsea Rogers" from Planet Earth. Nobody was having such strong reactions about Prince letting Wendy & Lisa shine back in 84 - 86 so why is it an issue now with Shelby? Heck Wendy & Lisa even both had songs named after them (Lisa & Little Girl Wendy's Parade).

Partly cause they both also played instruments and contributed to the music...rather than just being a "hired voice" as seems to be the case with Shelby. Prince also presented the whole BAND feel back then, so they were part of the whole equation rather than someone seen at the concert. I have no problem with Shelby mind you, just an thought as to why.

purplenuts said:

2elijah said:

Come to think of it, actually Wendy got a lot of stage time. Wendy was like his right-hand person during many of his concerts, during her time in his band, and I don't know who could have missed that. At least moreso than the other members of the band, back in the day. Even in the Purple Rain movie she had quite the speaking parts, spotlighting as one of the front persons in his band.

The substanial parts she got in the movie have perpetuated the overstatement of her relevance through the years. People actually look at Purple Rain as autobiographical and transferred the Wendy and Lisa in the film to real life. THat is why you can still find some sadly misinformed who will tell you they had something to do with writing Purple Rain.

Her role in concerts was not like the featured status that SHelby enjoys now.

you mean sadly informed like the people in the band and Wendy and Lisa? Or just that some people have the need to believe the "*written, produced and performed by Prince" or their worlds come to an end?

Shelby J added a nice low key touch 2 the show last night here @ The Forum. Her "Misty Blue" segment was amazing. The girls background singing paid particularly attention 2 last night & they were incredible. There harmony is on point..

2elijah said:

eireboy34 said:

I do recognize that!

Bur Shelby has outstayed her welcome.

I'll tell you what you fail to recognize... that you don't call the shots as to who Prince hires in his band. Like I said though, you'll be alright.

[Edited 4/21/11 19:00pm]

Let me guess....you are the type of person who always wants to be right and to have the last word????

eireboy34 said:

2elijah said:

I'll tell you what you fail to recognize... that you don't call the shots as to who Prince hires in his band. Like I said though, you'll be alright.

[Edited 4/21/11 19:00pm]

Let me guess....you are the type of person who always wants to be right and to have the last word????

Let me guess... you're the type of person that loves making comments on message boards, but don't like responses to any of your comments. By the way, still whining about Prince not performing in Ireland? How's that going for ya?

2elijah said:

eireboy34 said:

Let me guess....you are the type of person who always wants to be right and to have the last word????

Let me guess... you're the type of person that loves making comments on message boards, but don't like responses to any of your comments. By the way, still whining about Prince not performing in Ireland? How's that going for ya?

I rest my case!

Zannaloaf said:

purplenuts said:

The substanial parts she got in the movie have perpetuated the overstatement of her relevance through the years. People actually look at Purple Rain as autobiographical and transferred the Wendy and Lisa in the film to real life. THat is why you can still find some sadly misinformed who will tell you they had something to do with writing Purple Rain.

Her role in concerts was not like the featured status that SHelby enjoys now.

you mean sadly informed like the people in the band and Wendy and Lisa? Or just that some people have the need to believe the "*written, produced and performed by Prince" or their worlds come to an end?

Yeah, ok - you are exactly right...

I thought when Prince made the announcement of the Welcome 2 America Tours or "Events" he mentioned that he would be the MC for the evening..I am not naive enough to think that he wouldn't perform but he is showcasing talent as well.

Just my

Just saw a clip of '17 Days.'

She's worse than I thought.

It was so exciting to hear it, then she throws in some forced adlibs, tries to outshout Prince, and sings a 'harmony' that is definitely off & too loud.

Yes, it's time for Shelby J. to move on.

QuasarOfRock said:

Just saw a clip of '17 Days.'

She's worse than I thought.

It was so exciting to hear it, then she throws in some forced adlibs, tries to outshout Prince, and sings a 'harmony' that is definitely off & too loud.

Yes, it's time for Shelby J. to move on.

Actually, Shelby wasn't TOO bad during this clip. A little overpowering, yes, but I've definitely heard worse from her. What fucked up the performance is, again, Renato playing on it towards the end trying to turn it into some smooth jazz bullshit!! He has ruined SO many live performances of songs with his "jazz" interludes. Very talented player, but he's not adding a damn thing to the performance. And for this, only Prince is to blame, as usual.

purplenuts said:

Zannaloaf said:

you mean sadly informed like the people in the band and Wendy and Lisa? Or just that some people have the need to believe the "*written, produced and performed by Prince" or their worlds come to an end?

Yeah, ok - you are exactly right...

ahhhh - you were there then? - firsthand knowledge always trumps fammie rumor and desire.

I've been to two shows at the Welcome 2America Tour and I really don't understand why people are so bothered by Shelby. If you don't care for her voice or style fine, but the show is so much fun and you guys are exaggerating by saying she's running the show. The whole concert is one big party, Prince leads almost all the time except when they get two sing one or songs and its just a fun show. I have my theories as to why but I'm not going to go there. She has beautiful smile, a great spirit and I wish her well on this incredible ride! Go Shelby!

i'm sure she's not a terrible person, but from an artistic point of view i think she's been done to death & comes off as caberet.. also i wish she's grow some hair. she cannot pull off this bald look, she is not feminine enough 4 this lark!

that's my other gripe. when prince sings a duet with shelby eg.. nothing compares 2 u

i find it a huge turnoff, she does not seem feminine & she's built like a brick shithouse!!

it's like prince is singing to another blokee!! i don't like!

& her stage clothes are so ugly! she looks like a voodoo mama

PLEASE grow some hair shelby, or get a wig or something.. she can be attractive! when she did 21 nights in london she was cracking looker!

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