Cerebus said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Unlike Cerebus, I think C is the opposite, not sure what purpose the dick photos are for

Make sense please. This comment is like, in another language or somethin'.

It's the bisexual talk, you gotta be new in the game. Timmy can give you one or two lessons.

Cerebus said:

Timmy84 said:

I'll let it be. Who knows what Ozlem is going on about?

.............not me!

If I'm the opposite... does that make me a female lesbian... or a female gay? See! It just doesn't even make sense.

OzlemUcucu said:

Cerebus said:

Make sense please. This comment is like, in another language or somethin'.

Timmy can give you one or two lessons.

Ask the more experienced folks, I can't help you.

Cerebus said:

If I'm the opposite... does that make me a female lesbian... or a female gay? See! It just doesn't even make sense.

OzlemUcucu said:

Cerebus said:

Make sense please. This comment is like, in another language or somethin'.

It's the bisexual talk, you gotta be new in the game. Timmy can give you one or two lessons.

^

Timmy84 said:

^

Muhahaha Cerebus no we don't wanna see your

This is getting way too naughty here.

LadyCasanova said:

I've dated a man, a woman, a hermaphrodite, someone who did not identify, etc

I do not date based on race, gender, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or sex. I made this

decision in HS and I've stuck by it every since.

I find this fascinating. Do you assess partners based on any conventional physical/social identifiers -- age, physical attractiveness to you, etc? And barring all these, what quality would you say draws you to a potential partner?

I speak Finnish and English.

Oh, sexual.

I could not likely ever become emotionally attached to a woman the way I do with men, but I'm not averse to having sex with them. I gave up on labels because the requirements change so often. I'm just a slut.

Spinlight said:

I could not likely ever become emotionally attached to a woman the way I do with men, but I'm not averse to having sex with them. I gave up on labels because the requirements change so often. I'm just a slut.

Just an observation...

If a straight guy has sex with a man, nearly EVERYONE will insist that he's gay, or at least push the notion that he must label himself bisexual.

If a gay man has sex with a woman, why is he not called straight? Or at the very least, forced to label himself bisexual. Noooo! A gay man has sex with a woman and he gets to just keep on being gay.

Fuck that! This is reverse sexism, or some kind of reverse phobia, stereotype... something... and Cerebus is not having it!

Yes, I am bored. Thank you very much.

Cerebus said:

Just an observation...

If a straight guy has sex with a man, nearly EVERYONE will insist that he's gay, or at least push the notion that he must label himself bisexual.

If a gay man has sex with a woman, why is he not called straight? Or at the very least, forced to label himself bisexual. Noooo! A gay man has sex with a woman and he gets to just keep on being gay.

Fuck that! This is reverse sexism, or some kind of reverse phobia, stereotype... something... and Cerebus is not having it!

Yes, I am bored. Thank you very much.

I feel ya though.

Cerebus said:

Just an observation...

If a straight guy has sex with a man, nearly EVERYONE will insist that he's gay, or at least push the notion that he must label himself bisexual.

If a gay man has sex with a woman, why is he not called straight? Or at the very least, forced to label himself bisexual. Noooo! A gay man has sex with a woman and he gets to just keep on being gay.

Fuck that! This is reverse sexism, or some kind of reverse phobia, stereotype... something... and Cerebus is not having it!

Yes, I am bored. Thank you very much.

It's not like a gay man is going to eat and enjoy eating someone's pussy. Or collect pussy porn. Put pics of pussies in their locker at school. Relate everything to the procuring of pussy, etc. It's an issue of being able to mechanically perform the duty. I, myself, would certainly have sex with a woman but not sex that she would enjoy. I'm just not really a close minded person.

And straight men who have sex with other dudes aren't automatically gay, but there's a ton of closet homosexuals who parade as heteros.

imago said:

LadyCasanova said:

I've dated a man, a woman, a hermaphrodite, someone who did not identify, etc

I do not date based on race, gender, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or sex. I made this

decision in HS and I've stuck by it every since.

The thread said, "bisexual"--not just plain slutty!

Then why are you here?

Stymie said:

LadyCasanova said:

I've dated a man, a woman, a hermaphrodite, someone who did not identify, etc

I do not date based on race, gender, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or sex. I made this

decision in HS and I've stuck by it every since.

You are absolutely fascinating.

Lammastide said:

LadyCasanova said:

I've dated a man, a woman, a hermaphrodite, someone who did not identify, etc

I do not date based on race, gender, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or sex. I made this

decision in HS and I've stuck by it every since.

I find this fascinating. Do you assess partners based on any conventional physical/social identifiers -- age, physical attractiveness to you, etc? And barring all these, what quality would you say draws you to a potential partner?

I do not date anyone under the age of 18, but that has more to do with the law than anything.

I, like anyone else, am aware of physical attractiveness, I just think that what I find attractive is broader than most.

It's hard for me to explain, but I think it's similar to how I feel about movies. Sometimes there

is just one moment, quick and unexpected, that catches my attention in a movie and makes me

want to come back to it and consider it more closely, even if I don't end up loving the movie

enough to keep it at my house. In the movie Man in the Iron Mask I was just so-so about the movie

until the older brother yells to the younger, "wear it until you love it." That moment just has so much

passion in it that I had to watch the movie again. I'm the same way with people, if there is something

about that person that just blows me away, even for a second, I want to take that person out

and get to know them.

I tend to be drawn to more relaxed individuals, people with drive but without the need to run

other people over to get where they want to go. Humour can really sell me on someone. People

who are well read have a tendency to catch my eye, especially if they like to talk about the books

they read. I like honest people, especially if they can tell the truth without hurting someone.

I can say that I seem to have a pattern of dating people who consider themselves less "alpha"

in a relationship.

Cerebus said:

Just an observation...

If a straight guy has sex with a man, nearly EVERYONE will insist that he's gay, or at least push the notion that he must label himself bisexual.

If a gay man has sex with a woman, why is he not called straight? Or at the very least, forced to label himself bisexual. Noooo! A gay man has sex with a woman and he gets to just keep on being gay.

Fuck that! This is reverse sexism, or some kind of reverse phobia, stereotype... something... and Cerebus is not having it!

And why is it that a woman can have a boyfriend/husband, but she can lick pussy everyday, all day and society will not label her as gay or even bisexual? She's just a straight woman who's freaky. But, If a straight man even brushes up against another man, we want to immediately label him as gay and then try to force him to admit that he is?

Cerebus said:

Just an observation...

If a straight guy has sex with a man, nearly EVERYONE will insist that he's gay, or at least push the notion that he must label himself bisexual.

If a gay man has sex with a woman, why is he not called straight? Or at the very least, forced to label himself bisexual. Noooo! A gay man has sex with a woman and he gets to just keep on being gay.

Fuck that! This is reverse sexism, or some kind of reverse phobia, stereotype... something... and Cerebus is not having it!

I consider myself gay and I've been with a woman or two back in the 1980s when I was still in the closet. If someone wants to say I'm bisexual or even straight because of it, that's fine with me. Hell, words are just words and I wouldn't be insulted one bit. The question is, why do bisexual men have a problem with being labelled anything other than straight? The answer is because gay and bisexual is hated by society and straight isn't. They also want to receive the pleasure a man can give but not face the hate from society that goes along with it. Since these men that fool around with other men and still call themselves "straight" are the MAIN ones bashing us, it's only fair that we bust their asses out and let them catch some of the same hate from society that they themselves enjoy dishing out on us.

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Fuck, people. I was kidding! I don't care what part of their bodies anybody sticks on or inside of anybody else, or what they call themselves for doing so. My posts over years at the org should speak strongly in that regard. I should have known I'd get a bunch of serious answers. But really, I was just messin' around. I thought that was pretty clear.

kitbradley said:

Cerebus said:

Just an observation...

If a straight guy has sex with a man, nearly EVERYONE will insist that he's gay, or at least push the notion that he must label himself bisexual.

If a gay man has sex with a woman, why is he not called straight? Or at the very least, forced to label himself bisexual. Noooo! A gay man has sex with a woman and he gets to just keep on being gay.

Fuck that! This is reverse sexism, or some kind of reverse phobia, stereotype... something... and Cerebus is not having it!

And why is it that a woman can have a boyfriend/husband, but she can lick pussy everyday, all day and society will not label her as gay or even bisexual? She's just a straight woman who's freaky. But, If a straight man even brushes up against another man, we want to immediately label him as gay and then try to force him to admit that he is?

Well, because that's fuckin' hot!

I mean...

Yeah! Exactly!

Seriously though, I have female friends who fit that description and not all of them call themselves bisexual. Some do, but some don't. I would guess that is has something to do with the fact that so many people still hold the belief that to be "normal" you have to be a married man and woman with a house, two cars and 2.5 kids.

Cerebus said:

Fuck, people. I was kidding! I don't care what part of their bodies anybody sticks on or inside of anybody else, or what they call themselves for doing so. My posts over years at the org should speak strongly in that regard. I should have known I'd get a bunch of serious answers. But really, I was just messin' around. I thought that was pretty clear.

I wasn't giving you a mean answer back, nor did I think you were being one of those hypocritical bisexual men who want to have their cake and eat it too. I saw your question as coming from a straight man who was curious as to why gay men who have been with women during their closet years don't get the straight label like a so-called straight man would get the bisexual label if he fooled around with a man. A straight man who has never spent a lot of time in the gay clubs wouldn't know about these hypocritical men so it's a legitimate curious question and I just simply answered it.

My intention was not for my answer to sound mean, although I'm sure it may have seemed that way because Lord knows I hate those hypocrital devils with a passion. It just makes my damn blood boil to see these stupid gay men in these clubs just sit there and put up with these hypocritical men being homophobic and using homophobic slurs in their own damn club. I guarantee you if a white racist went into a black club talking racist shit, he would be lucky if he made it out with his life and that's the way it needs to be in the gay clubs when it comes to these type of men. But no, these stupid weak minded queens sit there and put up with it because they know they can get dick from these men later on in secret. Hell, pride is way more important than getting dick.

vainandy said:

Cerebus said:

Fuck, people. I was kidding! I don't care what part of their bodies anybody sticks on or inside of anybody else, or what they call themselves for doing so. My posts over years at the org should speak strongly in that regard. I should have known I'd get a bunch of serious answers. But really, I was just messin' around. I thought that was pretty clear.

I wasn't giving you a mean answer back, nor did I think you were being one of those hypocritical bisexual men who want to have their cake and eat it too. I saw your question as coming from a straight man who was curious as to why gay men who have been with women during their closet years don't get the straight label like a so-called straight man would get the bisexual label if he fooled around with a man. A straight man who has never spent a lot of time in the gay clubs wouldn't know about these hypocritical men so it's a legitimate curious question and I just simply answered it.

My intention was not for my answer to sound mean, although I'm sure it may have seemed that way because Lord knows I hate those hypocrital devils with a passion. It just makes my damn blood boil to see these stupid gay men in these clubs just sit there and put up with these hypocritical men being homophobic and using homophobic slurs in their own damn club. I guarantee you if a white racist went into a black club talking racist shit, he would be lucky if he made it out with his life and that's the way it needs to be in the gay clubs when it comes to these type of men. But no, these stupid weak minded queens sit there and put up with it because they know they can get dick from these men later on in secret. Hell, pride is way more important than getting dick.

Nah brother, you don't sound mean at all. You just took my original post more serious than I was expecting. And for the record, I've lived in the Bay Area for 25 years and was DEEP into the club culture of the "rave" movement for most of the 90s. I've been in many a gay club as a straight man. I understand exactly what you're talking about. Back in the day I was hit on more than once by someone I saw later in the "real world" who would get their panties all in a bunch if you even mentioned they were there, let alone asked if they were gay or bi.

I have friends of both genders who label themselves gay, straight and bi. Honestly, none of that matters to me. What is more important to me is respect. I'll accept and respect anyone as whatever they want to be so long as both are reciprocated. I was really just messin' around with my original post.

kitbradley said:

Cerebus said:

Just an observation...

If a straight guy has sex with a man, nearly EVERYONE will insist that he's gay, or at least push the notion that he must label himself bisexual.

If a gay man has sex with a woman, why is he not called straight? Or at the very least, forced to label himself bisexual. Noooo! A gay man has sex with a woman and he gets to just keep on being gay.

Fuck that! This is reverse sexism, or some kind of reverse phobia, stereotype... something... and Cerebus is not having it!

And why is it that a woman can have a boyfriend/husband, but she can lick pussy everyday, all day and society will not label her as gay or even bisexual? She's just a straight woman who's freaky. But, If a straight man even brushes up against another man, we want to immediately label him as gay and then try to force him to admit that he is?

The hell she is. Ain't no full fledged straight woman gonna eat no pussy or suck no titties from some other woman. I have no problem calling their asses what they really are either but unlike men, the majority of bisexual women I have met, have no problem admitting they are bisexual. It's because society is not as hateful to them as they are to men because these men who can't satisfy a woman themselves, want to watch or even join in with someone that can satisfy a woman. They want the pro to prep the woman up and get her hot so that when they stick their little jalapeno pepper in, the woman thinks he's really done something (although she's laughing at his ass in her mind). But it's when the bisexual woman refuses to let the man watch or join in, that she gets all the homophobic slurs yelled at her.

Cerebus said:

vainandy said:

I wasn't giving you a mean answer back, nor did I think you were being one of those hypocritical bisexual men who want to have their cake and eat it too. I saw your question as coming from a straight man who was curious as to why gay men who have been with women during their closet years don't get the straight label like a so-called straight man would get the bisexual label if he fooled around with a man. A straight man who has never spent a lot of time in the gay clubs wouldn't know about these hypocritical men so it's a legitimate curious question and I just simply answered it.

My intention was not for my answer to sound mean, although I'm sure it may have seemed that way because Lord knows I hate those hypocrital devils with a passion. It just makes my damn blood boil to see these stupid gay men in these clubs just sit there and put up with these hypocritical men being homophobic and using homophobic slurs in their own damn club. I guarantee you if a white racist went into a black club talking racist shit, he would be lucky if he made it out with his life and that's the way it needs to be in the gay clubs when it comes to these type of men. But no, these stupid weak minded queens sit there and put up with it because they know they can get dick from these men later on in secret. Hell, pride is way more important than getting dick.

Nah brother, you don't sound mean at all. You just took my original post more serious than I was expecting. And for the record, I've lived in the Bay Area for 25 years and was DEEP into the club culture of the "rave" movement for most of the 90s. I've been in many a gay club as a straight man. I understand exactly what you're talking about. Back in the day I was hit on more than once by someone I saw later in the "real world" who would get their panties all in a bunch if you even mentioned they were there, let alone asked if they were gay or bi.

I have friends of both genders who label themselves gay, straight and bi. Honestly, none of that matters to me. What is more important to me is respect. I'll accept and respect anyone as whatever they want to be so long as both are reciprocated. I was really just messin' around with my original post.

You know how folks are... Most of your posts are sarcasm especially when it comes to topics like this.

Cerebus said:

vainandy said:

I wasn't giving you a mean answer back, nor did I think you were being one of those hypocritical bisexual men who want to have their cake and eat it too. I saw your question as coming from a straight man who was curious as to why gay men who have been with women during their closet years don't get the straight label like a so-called straight man would get the bisexual label if he fooled around with a man. A straight man who has never spent a lot of time in the gay clubs wouldn't know about these hypocritical men so it's a legitimate curious question and I just simply answered it.

My intention was not for my answer to sound mean, although I'm sure it may have seemed that way because Lord knows I hate those hypocrital devils with a passion. It just makes my damn blood boil to see these stupid gay men in these clubs just sit there and put up with these hypocritical men being homophobic and using homophobic slurs in their own damn club. I guarantee you if a white racist went into a black club talking racist shit, he would be lucky if he made it out with his life and that's the way it needs to be in the gay clubs when it comes to these type of men. But no, these stupid weak minded queens sit there and put up with it because they know they can get dick from these men later on in secret. Hell, pride is way more important than getting dick.

Nah brother, you don't sound mean at all. You just took my original post more serious than I was expecting. And for the record, I've lived in the Bay Area for 25 years and was DEEP into the club culture of the "rave" movement for most of the 90s. I've been in many a gay club as a straight man. I understand exactly what you're talking about. Back in the day I was hit on more than once by someone I saw later in the "real world" who would get their panties all in a bunch if you even mentioned they were there, let alone asked if they were gay or bi.

I have friends of both genders who label themselves gay, straight and bi. Honestly, none of that matters to me. What is more important to me is respect. I'll accept and respect anyone as whatever they want to be so long as both are reciprocated. I was really just messin' around with my original post.

I would never expect a lot of disrespect going on in the Bay Area from what I've seen on TV and the internet with all the leather guys and things. But then again, TV and internet can be deceiving. You should see Mississippi though. If you mention Stonewall down here, half these dumbasses think you're referring to the fuck motel over on Highway 80 where the hookers work.

Timmy84 said:

You know how folks are... Most of your posts are sarcasm especially when it comes to topics like this.

I think... maybe... I think this is going to sound wrong is what I think.

I think because I try to keep the sarcasm intelligent, or at least poke at people's idiosyncracies in an interesting way, that sometimes my comments get taken too seriously.

To me, as the person writing, it's totally clear when I'm being serious and when I'm attempting to be "funny". Judging by how other people have taken a couple things I've said recently, maybe I need to work on that a little.

But yeah, I do know how "folks are". And when you're commenting about something that somebody cares about, as vainandy clearly does, you've got to make sure your intentions are clear.

Cerebus said:

Timmy84 said:

You know how folks are... Most of your posts are sarcasm especially when it comes to topics like this.

I think... maybe... I think this is going to sound wrong is what I think.

I think because I try to keep the sarcasm intelligent, or at least poke at people's idiosyncracies in an interesting way, that sometimes my comments get taken too seriously.

To me, as the person writing, it's totally clear when I'm being serious and when I'm attempting to be "funny". Judging by how other people have taken a couple things I've said recently, maybe I need to work on that a little.

But yeah, I do know how "folks are". And when you're commenting about something that somebody cares about, as vainandy clearly does, you've got to make sure your intentions are clear.

vainandy said:

Cerebus said:

Nah brother, you don't sound mean at all. You just took my original post more serious than I was expecting. And for the record, I've lived in the Bay Area for 25 years and was DEEP into the club culture of the "rave" movement for most of the 90s. I've been in many a gay club as a straight man. I understand exactly what you're talking about. Back in the day I was hit on more than once by someone I saw later in the "real world" who would get their panties all in a bunch if you even mentioned they were there, let alone asked if they were gay or bi.

I have friends of both genders who label themselves gay, straight and bi. Honestly, none of that matters to me. What is more important to me is respect. I'll accept and respect anyone as whatever they want to be so long as both are reciprocated. I was really just messin' around with my original post.

I would never expect a lot of disrespect going on in the Bay Area from what I've seen on TV and the internet with all the leather guys and things. But then again, TV and internet can be deceiving. You should see Mississippi though. If you mention Stonewall down here, half these dumbasses think you're referring to the fuck motel over on Highway 80 where the hookers work.

See, I totally got that.

The Bay Area is VERY tolerant, even accepting, of a variety of lifestyles. But the open leather play is really only in the Castro and some of the clubs. Even then it's not as open as when the Fair is going on, which is what most of the pictures and videos you see are from.

I can only speak for myself as we have a lot of Bay Area residents here and they all have their own opinions.

For me, personally, in the last 25 years I've been a metal head, a hippie, a hippie/raver, a raver, a "partier" (what you called yourself when you got too old to go to raves - "Hey, what 'party' are you going to this weekend?" ), a comic book geek, a music lover, deep into the free jazz/improvised music scene and I've been accepted by all those groups. I have brown, yellow, black and white friends of all styles, shapes, sexual orientations and religious beliefs. I know from talking to all of them, as well as through my own experiences, that there is still plenty of ignorant people out there living in a bass ackwards world of the past. But for the most part, the Bay Area does seem to be a pretty open, welcoming place. I know I'm never leaving.