Nevermind. I see who the genius is behind those views. Dawg, you're a fucking headcase is I ever saw one. I hope you don't have daughters and if so, god forbid something like this happens to them, but if it does, will you still feel the same way? I didn't think so.

NeoSoulScribe said:

U work for a company all your life and lose 100's of thousands of dollars behind greedy exec and see how u feel. U think if prince Michael jackson had to pick u either lose all your fame, wealth, popularity or this stranger person u will never ever see in our life gets rape, who do u think him and others like oprah , madonna, denzel washington going to pick. Quit acting all ned flanders and modd flanders from the simpsons.

i'm not going to speak for anyone else but i will clarify and support my statement that enron was a worse crime than what this kid did.

first, understand that i am not saying there is no severity to this child's actions. the kid raped 2 kids and a fucking dog. clearly the crime is awful. this child's crime, however, affected the immediate families involved and no one else. again, i'm not saying that makes it less horrific, i'm only saying that there are limits to the damage done.

the damage done by those little shits at enron affected the entire country, if not world. by undermining the capitalist system code of ethics (not to mention laws), these few men cost thousands of people their life's worth (financially speaking). how many families across the country were torn apart because of this? who knows...its immeasurable. how many people killed themselves because they saw everything they own taken from them because a few men stole and lied? who knows...and the effects of this, too, are immeasurable. how many generations will it take for some of these people to earn that money again? the business men...maybe not too long. but what about the electrician who worked for pg&e; what about the single mother who worked as an operator for any one of the many companies enron owned; what happens to their child's college fund now that every penny they saved in a 401k plan was lost because they trusted their employer when their employer told them to invest in the company's stock?

if just a few major american corporations did what enron did, the entire economic foundation of this country could collapse. now, if just a few people did what this sick kid did we would have some traumatized victims, yes, but the whole economic system we live off of would not be threatened. i know its a bold statement and i know some people will continue to disagree with it but there is nothing therapy or time can do for these people who lost everything due to the enron crime. they must start over from scrap. some wives and children have lost their fathers to suicide over the guilt they have from investing i this company. nothing will get those fathers back.

yes, the enron scandal was far worse than the sick crimes this child committed.
[Edited 6/20/05 12:51pm]

i'm not going to speak for anyone else but i will clarify and support my statement that enron was a worse crime than what this kid did.

first, understand that i am not saying there is no severity to this child's actions. the kid raped 2 kids and a fucking dog. clearly the crime is awful. this child's crime, however, affected the immediate families involved and no one else. again, i'm not saying that makes it less horrific, i'm only saying that there are limits to the damage done.

the damage done by those little shits at enron affected the entire country, if not world. by undermining the capitalist system code of ethics (not to mention laws), these few men cost thousands of people their life's worth (financially speaking). how many families across the country were torn apart because of this? who knows...its immeasurable. how many people killed themselves because they saw everything they own taken from them because a few men stole and lied? who knows...and the effects of this, too, are immeasurable. how many generations will it take for some of these people to earn that money again? the business men...maybe not too long. but what about the electrician who worked for pg&e; what about the single mother who worked as an operator for any one of the many companies enron owned; what happens to their child's college fund now that every penny they saved in a 401k plan was lost because they trusted their employer when their employer told them to invest in the company's stock?

if just a few major american corporations did what enron did, the entire economic foundation of this country could collapse. now, if just a few people did what this sick kid did we would have some traumatized victims, yes, but the whole economic system we live off of would not be threatened. i know its a bold statement and i know some people will continue to disagree with it but there is nothing therapy or time can do for these people who lost everything due to the enron crime. they must start over from scrap. some wives and children have lost their fathers to suicide over the guilt they have from investing i this company. nothing will get those fathers back.

yes, the enron scandal was far worse than the sick crimes this child committed.
[Edited 6/20/05 12:51pm]

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, I say.

saintsation said:

Money...HUMAN LIFE....Money...HUMAN LIFE....Money...<...HUMAN LIFE...Money < Human Life. Period.

NeoSoulScribe said:

U work for a company all your life and lose 100's of thousands of dollars behind greedy exec and see how u feel. U think if prince Michael jackson had to pick u either lose all your fame, wealth, popularity or this stranger person u will never ever see in our life gets rape, who do u think him and others like oprah , madonna, denzel washington going to pick. Quit acting all ned flanders and modd flanders from the simpsons.

saintsation said:

Your examples are LAME! IF your example were to make ANY sence...it would have to be like this....
U work for a company all your life....and your choice is...either loose all your life savings or one of your children is voilated (molested and or raped by the neighbor kid) YOU PICK! NO one in their right mind would pick the money! Most people...when they loose their house or their money..what do they say? At least I have my family...or my health...not, damn, wish I'da just lost my kid instead...can always have another!
I don't feel anyone is trying to say what happened to people at enron is no big deal because it certainly was but when you compare it to a small child being abused....it's just unbelievable...who the heck would compare the 2? Why on earth do you keep bringing up MJ and Prince....they have NOTHING to do with this topic. It's not a "stanger person" to the parents and family of the victims! Ask Madonna if she had to choose her children over her money/fame...I'd bet my house she'd pick her children!

saintsation said:

Your examples are LAME! IF your example were to make ANY sence...it would have to be like this....
U work for a company all your life....and your choice is...either loose all your life savings or one of your children is voilated (molested and or raped by the neighbor kid) YOU PICK! NO one in their right mind would pick the money! Most people...when they loose their house or their money..what do they say? At least I have my family...or my health...not, damn, wish I'da just lost my kid instead...can always have another!
I don't feel anyone is trying to say what happened to people at enron is no big deal because it certainly was but when you compare it to a small child being abused....it's just unbelievable...who the heck would compare the 2? Why on earth do you keep bringing up MJ and Prince....they have NOTHING to do with this topic. It's not a "stanger person" to the parents and family of the victims! Ask Madonna if she had to choose her children over her money/fame...I'd bet my house she'd pick her children!

Shorty said:

What are u babbling about, did i say family members. i said total strangers u never see or will ever talk to in your life. Here's one and don't fib to be a ned flanders. If u had to pick win 215 million dollar powerball or some 40 something lady or dude get s raped u will never ever have contact with? who would u pick? I say powerball without hesitation. My family and whoever else would be set for life.

NeoSoulScribe said:

Where are you all reading this boy killed someone. I don't see it.

How the fuck did Enron come in2 this??

Shorty said:

What are u babbling about, did i say family members. i said total strangers u never see or will ever talk to in your life. Here's one and don't fib to be a ned flanders. If u had to pick win 215 million dollar powerball or some 40 something lady or dude get s raped u will never ever have contact with? who would u pick? I say powerball without hesitation. My family and whoever else would be set for life.

saintsation said:

I never said he killed anyone, but he has forever scarred those 2 little girls. Human life.

saintsation said:

[flame snipped - luv4u] Just because they are a stranger to you doesn't mean they don't mean the world to someone else! I can't say I've ever spoken with anyone as SELFISH as you. I don't even know who the hell ned flanders is so shut up with that already.
I am not fibbing...I wouldn't NEVER take any money if it meant anyone would be raped! that is just sick! What if I said yes...I'd take the money and the lady who gets raped is a stranger to me..but she is YOUR mother! what now? [flame snipped - luv4u] ...sorry but that's the truth! May god protect your poor loved ones!

NeoSoulScribe said:

As a defense attorney, how u know that the 13 yr old and 9 yr old didn't do it voluntarily if she was 9 casue i didn't read all of it cause i am at work. If done voluntarily they will not be scarred for life. U don't know that and i don't know that so i think no one should pass judgement until the full story and truth comes out. All we know is a dog was screwed by a minor in the eyes of the law. You all acting like he is 30-80 or something. He is a juvenile too.

How the fuck did Enron come in2 this??

Fauxie said:

you can say that all you want, but Jesus doesn't.

I do not understand how we (or some of us) can put "equations" on the damage done by ANY crime.
How can it be that one (crime) is worse than another? It does depend on SO many variables, but I must tell you when I see cruel, personal victimization, which is what has occurred in this case...I am disgusted and appalled.
Our personal perspectives are what move us to respond...from my perspective...Enron...nothing compared to the up close and personal losses (physical,emotional, trust, etc.) these girls and secondary victims (dog owner and probably the boy's family as well) must feel in this instance.

I pray for them and those who do not understand or empathize with them and the consequences (trauma, trials, etc.) they must now endure.

i don't think anyone here has been guilty of a lack of understanding or empathy. what some of us are saying is that affecting the world is sometimes more serious than affecting a few individuals.

and yes, one crime can be worse than another. its why the criminal justice system has different punishments for various crimes. certainly you don't consider petty shoplifting and rape to be of similar severity?

SassyBritches said:

Guess you totally skipped over saintsation's posts. [Be NICE snip - luv4u]

[Edited 6/20/05 21:57pm]

VoicesCarry said:

pardon me for not starting with "imho" or "generally speaking"

SassyBritches said:

I respect you because you got your point across without descending into depravity.
[Edited 6/20/05 22:25pm]